@@coffeechronicler i've just ordered my timemore slim plus on sale. actually i was planning to buy c2 up version from aliexpress which is about 60 - 70 dolars. But then i started to dig it out and changed my mind with slim plus which is about 100-110 dolars in turkish distributer(this is safer way i think)... but i'm not clear yet which one better for me. actually i am not esspresso fan but i sometimes brewing with moka pot, in this view timemore c2 upgraded version looks like ok for me but slim plus looks more premium and reliable and ofcourse for the esspresso or the moka pot grinding... i have tons of confliction in my mind :) so that i made a quick decision... but still not sure. btw... 1zspress q2 is almost same price, even jx 1.5 times expensive here in turkey... and thanks for the video and ur commet.. if u ask me u have one of the best review but u should make some changes.. i am not very energitic guy too but in the video if u would be more cheerfull it would be better. and u should add some tags. most of the youtuber use click bates and they are trash. you have pretty good job here but u didnt event mention about c2, 1zpresso... u are actually compering them as well but if u didnt mention that in the title people cant know it... you should be better place...
I purchased a C2 for my father for Christmas. It has the same metal adjustment ring as the Slim. I was very impressed so I splurged on a Slim + for myself. We both do pour over and French press... no espresso. I think the C2 and Slim+ are almost identical for pour over. I don’t benefit from the new burrs. The all metal internals of the Slim+ are nice, and may last longer, but there is no real difference between the two for my use. I would suggest the C2 for regular coffee folks 100% of the time.
I have both as well, I think the Slim Plus maybe a little faster. Agreed though the difference is minor for pour over and up. The Plus is a LOT faster as fine grinds though, like 40 seconds vs 4 minutes for espresso. If you don't need fine and the C2 is substantially cheaper, I think it makes sense.
Just ordered this for the larger capacity upgrading from the nano. The nano is an excellent grinder but the capacity at 15 grams give or take isn't enough for a double shot. I did buy a normcore V2 with titanium coated burrs, but even that didn't have the same premium finish or feel as the nano, and the slightly improved step adjustment didn't really improve noticeably either. For the money in the £100 mark I'd say the Timemore slim has it for me. Though I get the JX probably grinds better the compact nature of the slim plus wins as it's better in the hand for me
Nice to put some solid data on the grind distribution. I appreciate it. I would be interested in comparing filter performance of a nice hand grinder like the jx or commandante, vs a low end flat burr grinder like a wilfa uniform
I'm really looking forward to your Comandante comparison. I've had mine now for almost a year, and im super happy with it, but it would be nice to see you geek out and get into the technical details. I hope you get the Red Clix upgrade if you're going to dial in for espresso, otherwise I think Comandante fanboys will complain. 😉 I appreciate your point about Timemore being easier to grip with smaller hands. That's the one downside of Comandante in my opinion, it's a little hard to grip without slipping, so I usually moisten my palm slightly with a few drops of water to get a secure grip. I wish you could get it with a knurled surface like the Timemore. Other than that, I find Comandante very ergonomical and easy to load, use, disassemble and clean. Both for daily use and travel.
Hehe, I'm afraid I will have to disappoint the Comandante fanboys then. I don't have a patreon with unlimited funds, so I will see how it performs without any upgrades :)
@@coffeechronicler someone lend this man a Comandante! Also really looking forward to a JX/pro comparison to the Comandante. A K-Plus comparison thrown in wouldn't hurt either as they are similarly priced.
Just to update for any Timemore Slim E&B owners. There is a 3D print hack available for the adjustment dial that doubles the increments from 12 to 24. A friend of mine has a good quality 3D printer and printed out 2 adjustment plates for the grinder. The print fits spot on and turns are still good and noticeable. If anyone is after one let me know
Great to have such detailed reviews. I keep coming back to your blog and eventually to this video as well. I'm upgrading from a trusty Porlex and am in between getting a 1zpresso Q2 Heptagonal and Timemore Slim Plus/3, at a time when they are both sold at around 100€. Would you recommend one more than the other in terms of grind consistency, handling (surface grip (I have a weak left wrist), resistence when grinding, handle stability) and bean capacity? Thanks!
Hello, thanks for the review but you are using e and b burs( called 5 star in manual), so it uses 10 14 click range for espresso range. So I recommend you to compare at the correct range. Probably you have used range for 6 start burs also brewing
i own one timemore slim not the plus version. i have use this grinder for 1.5 years almost everyday. i was pour over brewing method until recently i have a flair pro 2, grind size is hard to dail in with 8-9 clicks.. i'm looking to upgrade my grinder now..
Great review! I currently own an 1Z Ks (a cheaper version of JS, same burrs, smaller hopper and internal adjustments only) and upgraded my 1 year old slim to e&b burr. Honestly I’m a little bit disappointed with the upgrade, it is easier to grind, but not by much, the claimed 20% reduce in fine seems a bit fishy to me, Ks just seems produce a much cleaner cup for me.
Yeah, I couldn't tell much difference compared to the old burr. Unfortunately, I don't have the C2 anymore so couldn't do a direct comparison of the two. The Ks looks slick btw. Hope it hits the international market :)
What a comprehensive review! Tackling different angles than other YT content. It leaves me wondering if the JX pro is a better option especially for espresso. Thanks again.
You peaked my curiosity when you mentioned how it performs when grinding fine. I sometimes brew with an immersion recipe using a Turkish grind (believe it or not). I have an old style Turkish hand mill that I use for that, but it hasn't been a good experience in terms of cleaning and maintenance. Wondering if this might be a good replacement. Also how does it do with static? I tend to get more of that the finer I grind and the darker the roast. I currently use RDT for all my grinders.
Hey Coffee Chronicler, if you prefer the taste of an electric flat burr grinder for espresso, then would you say you don’t prefer the Niche, due to its conical burrs? Or is the Niche somehow an exception? If so, why? Thank you in advance 😌
I recently bought a Chestnut slim plus. Just looking for help. When cleaning first time the spring and washer slipped out before I could check how they went. Does the spring go on the spindle wide end first and does the washer go on before or after the spring? Be very gratefull for any help. Thanks for review. David
Good day Asser Helpful contents you have in the channel I just want to ask you when you are going to do comandante 1zpresso jx comparison? I am going to order 1zpresso jx but i want to see your review first
Nice video. I enjoy your calm style of presenting. How would you compare this to a Comandante? Is it worth it to save a bit more for "the real deal" and then just be done? I'm kind of charmed by the modern design (and price) of the Timemore grinders, but part of me is afraid that I would want to upgrade after some time.
I am looking to get a grinder to use with moka pot or brikka, I have been looking at the 1zpresso jx and the timemore slim...I can't make my mind up, or is there a better option? Advice much appreciated coffee God
Hi. Firstly, thank you for the great video. You covered every aspect of the grinder. Hence i have a question with respect to a purchase decision I have to make. I'm planning to buy a flair neo or a flair classic. And I've also been researching grinders. And while researching for the grinders, I'm facing a decision paralysis for the lack of experience with the product or even espresso making in general. So here's a bit of a context: - my research suggests that a suitable espresso grinder - be it of an electric type or a hand grinder is more expensive than either of the flair espresso machines. - And choosing between the flair neo and flair classic is also quite contingent upon the grinder I'm getting. As the neo comes with a pressurized portafilter and the classic comes with a non pressurised one (although both these 2 varieties of portafilters are sold separately by flair, so one can upgrade to the different portafilter option even later on. However, I doubt that I'd want to upgrade. I wish to buy the setup that serves the purpose of pulling consistently good espresso shots and not make this a hobby). - Given my tight budget constraints and availability of grinders and their strange pricing in my location, I have narrowed down to the following: 1. 1zpresso Jx pro max - $215 2. Timemore Slim plus e&b burr - $135 3. Timemore c2 - $70 4. Flair royal grinder - $215 5. 1zpresso q2 - $129 (not sure if its suitable for espresso) 6. Baratza Encore - $175 7. Baratza Sette 30 - $294 (beyond my budget but apparently the best value for money as per my research. Would have to save up to purchase - but I fear that if there's a problem in future, I'd have nowhere to take it for getting it serviced. There is no service support in my country. Hence I'm skeptical in getting the baratza encore or the sette 30 and therefore leaning more towards hand grinders, having heard that they tend to last longer. But I'm still tempted to consider them given the convenience of an electric grinder). - I want a grinder that does not take too long (beyond 2-3 mins) for griding espresso for a single dose. MY QUESTIONS: Q.1 is there a day and night of a difference in the quality of espresso that one could get from a flair neo vis-a-vis the flair classic? Is it so big of a difference that it's instantly discernible? (Especially considering that I'm only starting out and have no training in espresso tasting/discerning.) So should it be a Neo (pressurised porta filter) or a Classic (non pressurised portafilter)? If there isn't that much of a difference between the quality of espresso from either of the flairs, I'd want to choose the Flair Neo, as it's more forgiving for beginners and I don't have to buy an expensive grinder. Q.2 which coffee grinder(s) from the aforementioned choices should I pair with the flair suggested by you? Sorry for making this so long. And thank you again for your amazing content!
@@yapchenpo95 haha none so far. But i can share what I've figured out. Option 1: If you buy flair neo, with a suitable grinder - you get 3* coffee for $$ expense Option 2 : if you buy a flair classic or above with a proper expresso grinder, you get 5* coffee for $$$$ expense . Adding to that, it takes a bit of trials before you can get a reasonably good espresso out of Option 2. So the choice is yours. You get better tasting coffee with option 2 but it comes with a price and also some learning curve. But option 1 is relatively easier and straightforward and a much higher chance of getting a decent espresso everytime. So option 1 is definitely better for beginners. But if you intend to graduate soon from option 1, its much better to invest straightaway in option 2 instead.
I purchased a Timemore Slim about half a year ago, and a couple months ago I purchased a 1zpresso JX Pro. The JX Pro was intended to be an upgrade to the Slim, and though it definitely is in most regards, I'm perfectly happy keeping my Slim as well. It's still great value for money, and it's amazingly light and portable - such a pleasure to use. I think most people looking at the Timemore Slim are intending to use it for filter coffee or immersion brewing, so it confuses me a little as to why Timemore designed a new burr set to improve the grinding experience for espresso without also designing a new adjustment mechanism (especially when they've already worked on an improved adjustment mechanism for their new Chestnut X grinder). Love Timemore's products, but I don't think I'll bother buying the new burr set.
Hello, is the difference between the two worth the price? in my country, the price for the JX pro is 2x the price of the slim, so I'm curious as to how big of a difference is the performance between the two? and is the slim consistent enough for french press grind as well?
@@jsk0799 If you're set on using a French Press, I don't think the performance difference is really worth the cost difference. I do think the JX Pro is still better, but you'd be happy with the Slim. If it saves you some money, I'd actually prefer the regular JX over the Pro if I wasn't using it for espresso. The 1zpresso grinders are simply made better overall, but are bigger and heftier too.
@@_mattnguyen sorry I was asking for the french press because I heard the C2 which has the same burr would perform more badly for the french press. I'm actually looking for an all-rounder, that's why I'm interested in the Jx pro. But if the slim could be used in all types of grind with slightly less uniformity then I would be happy to get the slim.
@@jsk0799 if you have any intention of grinding for espresso, the JX Pro is the way to go. As for French Press brewing, I personally grind for French Press in about the same range as I do for larger pour overs, but even if you grind coarser I think the C2 is fine. I don't imagine you'll experience major differences between the two grinders unless you're a very experienced taster. I will note though, that I've heard of some users having to tweak their C2 grinders if the outer burr isn't aligned very well out of the factory. Timemore's quality control doesn't seem to match that of 1zpresso.
@@_mattnguyen I see. Do you know whether the Slim also has such problem? Since i think the C2 and slim are very similar other than the type of burr and the more metal components.
Hello and thank you for producing this helpful content! Have you tested the 1zpresso Q2? If yes, how would compare it to the timemore slim plus when it comes to grinding for espresso? Where I live, the 1zpresso is about 20$ more expensive than the timemore slim plus and I was wondering if it's worth paying the extra! Thanks in advance!
I have only tried Q1. But my opinion is none of them are great for espresso. Maybe Q2 will be a bit more suitable due to having 30 clicks per rotation vs Timemore's 12 clicks.
@@coffeechronicler Hi! Thank you for the reply! I guess I will be using it for aeropress/v60 then. I am looking to either get the timemore slim plus or the 1zpresso Q2. The Q2 is around 20-30$ more expensive than the slim plus. I think I will go with the slim plus considering that it has a larger bean capacity (20-25 grams) than the Q2 (15-18 grams). Do you have any thoughts! Which one would you choose?
@@cristianpicincu7116 I went with the Slim+ because of the larger capacity and because I get the impression it's faster. It's very fast. I can get passable espresso out of it, it does have the issue that the steps are too great to dial in really exactly, but I have got a replacement setting plate with 24 rather than 12 indents which helps with that, it's numbered as well so easier to get back to a setting. 24 click plate: shopee.co.th/Timemore-Grind-Size-Plate-(แผ่นบอกเบอร์บดสำหรับเครื่องบด-Timemore-Chestnut-C1-C2-Slim-Nano-G1-i.149619880.7643323242
@@blorg8206 Thank you for the advice! I finally bought the 1zpresso RK. The nice thing about it is that it has 48 mm burrs which are bigger than the Q2 burrs but the price is slightly lower than the Q2 because the grounds container is made of plastic and probably other reasons!
Was thinking of combining this with a Rok EspressoGC and Aeropress. As the 'person with the tiny hands' this really appeals to me, but do you think it's good enough for both? The JX-Pro is also $60 more here and i'm not sure i'll notice the difference...
Manual espresso is a bit more forgiving when it comes to grind settings so it would probably work okay-ish. Though I'd probably consider an electric grinder in your case or maybe the JE Plus.
I'm giving my ancient Gaggia away to a friend and was looking for a budget grinder for her. Sounds like for the increased grind settings of the JXPro, it's worth the slight increase in cost. I'm curious to see how the Chestnut X compares to the other high end grinders. Do you plan to try one when available?
From what I have heard the Chestnut X is good, but rather slow at the finer range. And the price is also a bit higher. I might review it in the future though.
Im looking for a grinder that can bring out the juicy coffee with pour over. I know this is a big unfair comparison but how does it fair against Commandante C40 Nitro in pour over? The price of the latest Commandante is just too much and 1Zpresso seems a bit too much if its for temporary grinder. My ultimate goal is to get a commandante
They are all very close, so unless you have them next to each other it can be hard to tell. Slim Plus is a bit more muddy than Jx, and Jx is a bit more muddy than C40. Probably Jx is the ideal compromise when consindering price and speed of grinding as well as taste.
Hi, enjoying your channel. I've watched alot of vids. My question is for filter coffee, and may also do F-press or Aeropress: C2 with E&B upgrade VS anything K or J series? Without getting too technical, if your opinion is biased towards flavor profiles...no problem.
I‘m currently torn between the slim plus and the jx pro. In terms of speed how do you think do they compare? Is the jx pro even faster due to the greater burrs? My main uses will be daily single french press coffees and moka pots on the weekends. What are your thoughts or recommendations for this kind of use?
The Slim Plus is actually slightly faster than the Jx Pro, and on par with the standard Jx. For your use cases you should also consider the standard Jx. For French press and Moka both will be really good, so it's up to your preference.
Hi! I’m looking for a grinder for an aeropress. I was looking at this one because it fits inside the aeropress and it seems quite good. I hear that you swear by the 1zpresso jx, but they don’t seem to sell replacement burrs, whereas Timemore do. Do you think replacement parts are important?
The Slim fits inside an AP, but it's a slightly awkward fit, since it's protruding quite a bit. 1zpresso will exchange broken parts and plan on offering burrs in the future. But in the short term burrs shouldn't be a worry, since they can last many years without any issues.
Love your reviews! I have been so blown away by the jx pro after getting one per your recommendation. Have you done a comparison of the smaller model jx? I do wish it fit in the aeropress 😅
Thanks Cody! Both Jx's perform more or less the same and are almost the same size. The smaller one that fits in the AeroPress is Q2, which is good but not quite in the same league.
This is how much it sticks out, I got it primarily for this and I think it works well. The other alternative I considered was the 1zpresso Q2 which sticks out a bit less but the grind chamber is quite a bit smaller, and I think it's probably slower as well. The Slim+ is super fast and has good capacity. I didn't go with the Nano because it's quite a bit more expensive, but also the limited hopper, I'd have to do two grinds and that would get annoying fast. For Aeropress as well, the folding arm on the Nano wouldn't be a benefit as you wouldn't be able to fold it with it actually in the Aeropress, you'd have to take it off anyway. imgur.com/9h2k8xS
For me, after 1 month of using, this grinder cant grind fine enough for espresso. At 7 clicks using delonghi dedica EC685 with 18 grams coffee, produce 47-49 grams coffee. Way over 1:2 ratio
I got the JX following your recommendations and couldn't be happier with a hand grinder. I donated my Wilfa Svart to my wife (we tend to drink very different coffees so we have separate gear). Thanks for that. Do you mind sharing your Gabi Master A recipe? In particular - do you bloom before putting the top part on, or strictly follow the method described by the manufacturer?
For the comparison, I didn't do manual blooming. But if I'm just brewing for enjoyment, I will usually bloom with 2,5 x dose and give it a little swirl as well to ensure full saturation
I’ve just ordered the C2 and the E&B burrs upgrade as I’ve also ordered a Bellman CX25P to make some stove top espresso and moka pots. I’m not a super coffee snob so I’m not too fussed about extraction so I think the C2 with the upgraded burrs should work fine. Keen to see how it goes!
I got the Slim Plus for this, I was considering the Q2 but went with the Slim Plus for higher capacity, speed, cheaper, and also better grip. Main positive of the Q2 I think would be that it protrudes less, but I don't really find the Slim Plus to be a problem in that regard, I can handle the length, I just want it all in one tube. imgur.com/9h2k8xS
Recently I cleaned my timemore slim plus, but when i removed the burrs i noticed small chips on the burrs. Is this normal, or is it something I should bring up with the place i purchased from
This is the main reason I got it, fits in an Aeropress but will hold >20g easy. 1zpresso Q2 or Timemore Nano also fit, with less protrusion, but less hopper capacity. imgur.com/9h2k8xS
@@coffeechronicler thank you for letting me know. Would you consider comparing small portable hand grinders in the future (Q2, Nano, Porlex)? Or lightweight equipment for travelling/hiking? :-)
i used a junoesque/linglong ace48.. which has 18 steps per rotation.. and even this ended up being quite frustrating for me, to dial in for espresso. when i got a kinu, my espresso really opened up. i dont think its hardcore snobbery.. i think its basic requisite. so i am a bit disappointed with this review; we should simply say, it is not for espresso, if the steps are too large to dial in. otherwise, others will have to learn the hard way, like me. still, its good to have two hand grinders--one is set up for pour over, the other for espresso (first had flair, and now have gaggia classic pro)
Some people make espresso with the Hario Skerton or Baratza Encore, so I'm not going to say it's impossible. However, I don't think anybody will walk away from this review seeing it as an espresso endorsement.
@@coffeechronicler Thanks for the response brother! It was a nice video as always. Just want to save people from going down the road i went down haha Woe to the man with a finicky palate who decides to get into espresso unprepared
Love how comprehensive this was, great video as always!
Thanks!
" for hardcore espresso snobbery " love it
The slim plus has quite many plusses! It's probably the best midrange hand grinder.
Yes, it's great. We're just spoilt with other good midrangers nowadays :)
@@coffeechronicler i've just ordered my timemore slim plus on sale. actually i was planning to buy c2 up version from aliexpress which is about 60 - 70 dolars.
But then i started to dig it out and changed my mind with slim plus which is about 100-110 dolars in turkish distributer(this is safer way i think)...
but i'm not clear yet which one better for me.
actually i am not esspresso fan but i sometimes brewing with moka pot, in this view timemore c2 upgraded version looks like ok for me but slim plus looks more premium and reliable and ofcourse for the esspresso or the moka pot grinding... i have tons of confliction in my mind :) so that i made a quick decision... but still not sure.
btw... 1zspress q2 is almost same price, even jx 1.5 times expensive here in turkey...
and thanks for the video and ur commet.. if u ask me u have one of the best review but u should make some changes.. i am not very energitic guy too but in the video if u would be more cheerfull it would be better. and u should add some tags. most of the youtuber use click bates and they are trash. you have pretty good job here but u didnt event mention about c2, 1zpresso... u are actually compering them as well but if u didnt mention that in the title people cant know it...
you should be better place...
I purchased a C2 for my father for Christmas. It has the same metal adjustment ring as the Slim. I was very impressed so I splurged on a Slim + for myself. We both do pour over and French press... no espresso.
I think the C2 and Slim+ are almost identical for pour over. I don’t benefit from the new burrs. The all metal internals of the Slim+ are nice, and may last longer, but there is no real difference between the two for my use.
I would suggest the C2 for regular coffee folks 100% of the time.
I have both as well, I think the Slim Plus maybe a little faster. Agreed though the difference is minor for pour over and up. The Plus is a LOT faster as fine grinds though, like 40 seconds vs 4 minutes for espresso. If you don't need fine and the C2 is substantially cheaper, I think it makes sense.
Just ordered this for the larger capacity upgrading from the nano. The nano is an excellent grinder but the capacity at 15 grams give or take isn't enough for a double shot.
I did buy a normcore V2 with titanium coated burrs, but even that didn't have the same premium finish or feel as the nano, and the slightly improved step adjustment didn't really improve noticeably either.
For the money in the £100 mark I'd say the Timemore slim has it for me. Though I get the JX probably grinds better the compact nature of the slim plus wins as it's better in the hand for me
Nice to put some solid data on the grind distribution. I appreciate it.
I would be interested in comparing filter performance of a nice hand grinder like the jx or commandante, vs a low end flat burr grinder like a wilfa uniform
great review. You answered most of my questions in first minute. Thanks. And more in the rest of the review.
This grinder and Picopresso makes perfect espresso for me every single day. I have no single complain.
How many clicks do you use for the Picopresso?
I'm really looking forward to your Comandante comparison. I've had mine now for almost a year, and im super happy with it, but it would be nice to see you geek out and get into the technical details. I hope you get the Red Clix upgrade if you're going to dial in for espresso, otherwise I think Comandante fanboys will complain. 😉
I appreciate your point about Timemore being easier to grip with smaller hands. That's the one downside of Comandante in my opinion, it's a little hard to grip without slipping, so I usually moisten my palm slightly with a few drops of water to get a secure grip. I wish you could get it with a knurled surface like the Timemore. Other than that, I find Comandante very ergonomical and easy to load, use, disassemble and clean. Both for daily use and travel.
Hehe, I'm afraid I will have to disappoint the Comandante fanboys then. I don't have a patreon with unlimited funds, so I will see how it performs without any upgrades :)
@@coffeechronicler someone lend this man a Comandante! Also really looking forward to a JX/pro comparison to the Comandante. A K-Plus comparison thrown in wouldn't hurt either as they are similarly priced.
@@coffeechronicler dude I'm so hyped for that Jx vs Comandante showdown. If you could include the Timemore Chestnut Slim it would be so awesome
i just got mine with E&B burr. love it!
Just to update for any Timemore Slim E&B owners. There is a 3D print hack available for the adjustment dial that doubles the increments from 12 to 24.
A friend of mine has a good quality 3D printer and printed out 2 adjustment plates for the grinder.
The print fits spot on and turns are still good and noticeable. If anyone is after one let me know
Great to have such detailed reviews. I keep coming back to your blog and eventually to this video as well.
I'm upgrading from a trusty Porlex and am in between getting a 1zpresso Q2 Heptagonal and Timemore Slim Plus/3, at a time when they are both sold at around 100€.
Would you recommend one more than the other in terms of grind consistency, handling (surface grip (I have a weak left wrist), resistence when grinding, handle stability) and bean capacity?
Thanks!
Flavor-wise I prefer Q2 hepta. Both are nice in the hand and on par quality wise.
Hello, thanks for the review but you are using e and b burs( called 5 star in manual), so it uses 10 14 click range for espresso range. So I recommend you to compare at the correct range.
Probably you have used range for 6 start burs also brewing
i own one timemore slim not the plus version. i have use this grinder for 1.5 years almost everyday.
i was pour over brewing method until recently i have a flair pro 2, grind size is hard to dail in with 8-9 clicks.. i'm looking to upgrade my grinder now..
Great review! I currently own an 1Z Ks (a cheaper version of JS, same burrs, smaller hopper and internal adjustments only) and upgraded my 1 year old slim to e&b burr. Honestly I’m a little bit disappointed with the upgrade, it is easier to grind, but not by much, the claimed 20% reduce in fine seems a bit fishy to me, Ks just seems produce a much cleaner cup for me.
Yeah, I couldn't tell much difference compared to the old burr. Unfortunately, I don't have the C2 anymore so couldn't do a direct comparison of the two.
The Ks looks slick btw. Hope it hits the international market :)
so do the E&B burrs grind better and faster for espresso?
What a comprehensive review! Tackling different angles than other YT content.
It leaves me wondering if the JX pro is a better option especially for espresso.
Thanks again.
Yes, Jx Pro or even regular Jx would be better.
Just bought it and im stoked! This video definitely helped me deciding, gonna be using it mostly for moka pot and also french press.
Cheers!
You peaked my curiosity when you mentioned how it performs when grinding fine. I sometimes brew with an immersion recipe using a Turkish grind (believe it or not). I have an old style Turkish hand mill that I use for that, but it hasn't been a good experience in terms of cleaning and maintenance. Wondering if this might be a good replacement.
Also how does it do with static? I tend to get more of that the finer I grind and the darker the roast. I currently use RDT for all my grinders.
Very minimal static and should be easy to clean and maintain. Probably a good option..
Hey Coffee Chronicler, if you prefer the taste of an electric flat burr grinder for espresso, then would you say you don’t prefer the Niche, due to its conical burrs? Or is the Niche somehow an exception? If so, why? Thank you in advance 😌
I'll save any comments on the Niche for a future video :)
I recently bought a Chestnut slim plus. Just looking for help. When cleaning first time the spring and washer slipped out before I could check how they went. Does the spring go on the spindle wide end first and does the washer go on before or after the spring? Be very gratefull for any help. Thanks for review. David
Really liked your review. I have any question: When grinding for mokka pot how many clicks you suggest I use?
I Just bought this grinder but my handle does Not attach to the Body of the grinder...any Suggestion?
Good day Asser
Helpful contents you have in the channel
I just want to ask you when you are going to do comandante 1zpresso jx comparison?
I am going to order 1zpresso jx but i want to see your review first
Hi Tariq, it will probably take a month or so, hope you can wait :)
In compare to the 1zepresso Q2 which one is better in your opinion?
slim plus mate.
Nice video. I enjoy your calm style of presenting. How would you compare this to a Comandante? Is it worth it to save a bit more for "the real deal" and then just be done? I'm kind of charmed by the modern design (and price) of the Timemore grinders, but part of me is afraid that I would want to upgrade after some time.
Thanks! It's a tough one... The Slim Plus is still around half price while being much faster compared to the Comandante, so quite difficult to decide.
I am looking to get a grinder to use with moka pot or brikka, I have been looking at the 1zpresso jx and the timemore slim...I can't make my mind up, or is there a better option? Advice much appreciated coffee God
Hi. Firstly, thank you for the great video. You covered every aspect of the grinder. Hence i have a question with respect to a purchase decision I have to make.
I'm planning to buy a flair neo or a flair classic. And I've also been researching grinders.
And while researching for the grinders, I'm facing a decision paralysis for the lack of experience with the product or even espresso making in general.
So here's a bit of a context:
- my research suggests that a suitable espresso grinder - be it of an electric type or a hand grinder is more expensive than either of the flair espresso machines.
- And choosing between the flair neo and flair classic is also quite contingent upon the grinder I'm getting.
As the neo comes with a pressurized portafilter and the classic comes with a non pressurised one (although both these 2 varieties of portafilters are sold separately by flair, so one can upgrade to the different portafilter option even later on. However, I doubt that I'd want to upgrade. I wish to buy the setup that serves the purpose of pulling consistently good espresso shots and not make this a hobby).
- Given my tight budget constraints and availability of grinders and their strange pricing in my location, I have narrowed down to the following:
1. 1zpresso Jx pro max - $215
2. Timemore Slim plus e&b burr - $135
3. Timemore c2 - $70
4. Flair royal grinder - $215
5. 1zpresso q2 - $129 (not sure if its suitable for espresso)
6. Baratza Encore - $175
7. Baratza Sette 30 - $294 (beyond my budget but apparently the best value for money as per my research. Would have to save up to purchase - but I fear that if there's a problem in future, I'd have nowhere to take it for getting it serviced. There is no service support in my country. Hence I'm skeptical in getting the baratza encore or the sette 30 and therefore leaning more towards hand grinders, having heard that they tend to last longer. But I'm still tempted to consider them given the convenience of an electric grinder).
- I want a grinder that does not take too long (beyond 2-3 mins) for griding espresso for a single dose.
MY QUESTIONS:
Q.1 is there a day and night of a difference in the quality of espresso that one could get from a flair neo vis-a-vis the flair classic? Is it so big of a difference that it's instantly discernible? (Especially considering that I'm only starting out and have no training in espresso tasting/discerning.) So should it be a Neo (pressurised porta filter) or a Classic (non pressurised portafilter)?
If there isn't that much of a difference between the quality of espresso from either of the flairs, I'd want to choose the Flair Neo, as it's more forgiving for beginners and I don't have to buy an expensive grinder.
Q.2 which coffee grinder(s) from the aforementioned choices should I pair with the flair suggested by you?
Sorry for making this so long. And thank you again for your amazing content!
Any updates.
@@yapchenpo95 haha none so far.
But i can share what I've figured out.
Option 1: If you buy flair neo, with a suitable grinder - you get 3* coffee for $$ expense
Option 2 : if you buy a flair classic or above with a proper expresso grinder, you get 5* coffee for $$$$ expense .
Adding to that, it takes a bit of trials before you can get a reasonably good espresso out of Option 2.
So the choice is yours. You get better tasting coffee with option 2 but it comes with a price and also some learning curve.
But option 1 is relatively easier and straightforward and a much higher chance of getting a decent espresso everytime.
So option 1 is definitely better for beginners.
But if you intend to graduate soon from option 1, its much better to invest straightaway in option 2 instead.
I purchased a Timemore Slim about half a year ago, and a couple months ago I purchased a 1zpresso JX Pro. The JX Pro was intended to be an upgrade to the Slim, and though it definitely is in most regards, I'm perfectly happy keeping my Slim as well. It's still great value for money, and it's amazingly light and portable - such a pleasure to use. I think most people looking at the Timemore Slim are intending to use it for filter coffee or immersion brewing, so it confuses me a little as to why Timemore designed a new burr set to improve the grinding experience for espresso without also designing a new adjustment mechanism (especially when they've already worked on an improved adjustment mechanism for their new Chestnut X grinder). Love Timemore's products, but I don't think I'll bother buying the new burr set.
Hello, is the difference between the two worth the price? in my country, the price for the JX pro is 2x the price of the slim, so I'm curious as to how big of a difference is the performance between the two? and is the slim consistent enough for french press grind as well?
@@jsk0799 If you're set on using a French Press, I don't think the performance difference is really worth the cost difference. I do think the JX Pro is still better, but you'd be happy with the Slim. If it saves you some money, I'd actually prefer the regular JX over the Pro if I wasn't using it for espresso. The 1zpresso grinders are simply made better overall, but are bigger and heftier too.
@@_mattnguyen sorry I was asking for the french press because I heard the C2 which has the same burr would perform more badly for the french press. I'm actually looking for an all-rounder, that's why I'm interested in the Jx pro. But if the slim could be used in all types of grind with slightly less uniformity then I would be happy to get the slim.
@@jsk0799 if you have any intention of grinding for espresso, the JX Pro is the way to go. As for French Press brewing, I personally grind for French Press in about the same range as I do for larger pour overs, but even if you grind coarser I think the C2 is fine. I don't imagine you'll experience major differences between the two grinders unless you're a very experienced taster. I will note though, that I've heard of some users having to tweak their C2 grinders if the outer burr isn't aligned very well out of the factory. Timemore's quality control doesn't seem to match that of 1zpresso.
@@_mattnguyen I see. Do you know whether the Slim also has such problem? Since i think the C2 and slim are very similar other than the type of burr and the more metal components.
How does this compare to the jx? Which do you think is a better buy? I mainly do pour over..
All other things aside, I think the Jx has an edge in clarity for pour over..
I think that the new Model X from timemore would be a good opponent of the comandante and the JX, I hope you can have it on your channel soon
Hello and thank you for producing this helpful content! Have you tested the 1zpresso Q2? If yes, how would compare it to the timemore slim plus when it comes to grinding for espresso? Where I live, the 1zpresso is about 20$ more expensive than the timemore slim plus and I was wondering if it's worth paying the extra! Thanks in advance!
I have only tried Q1. But my opinion is none of them are great for espresso. Maybe Q2 will be a bit more suitable due to having 30 clicks per rotation vs Timemore's 12 clicks.
@@coffeechronicler Hi! Thank you for the reply! I guess I will be using it for aeropress/v60 then. I am looking to either get the timemore slim plus or the 1zpresso Q2. The Q2 is around 20-30$ more expensive than the slim plus. I think I will go with the slim plus considering that it has a larger bean capacity (20-25 grams) than the Q2 (15-18 grams). Do you have any thoughts! Which one would you choose?
@@cristianpicincu7116 I went with the Slim+ because of the larger capacity and because I get the impression it's faster. It's very fast. I can get passable espresso out of it, it does have the issue that the steps are too great to dial in really exactly, but I have got a replacement setting plate with 24 rather than 12 indents which helps with that, it's numbered as well so easier to get back to a setting.
24 click plate: shopee.co.th/Timemore-Grind-Size-Plate-(แผ่นบอกเบอร์บดสำหรับเครื่องบด-Timemore-Chestnut-C1-C2-Slim-Nano-G1-i.149619880.7643323242
@@blorg8206 Thank you for the advice! I finally bought the 1zpresso RK. The nice thing about it is that it has 48 mm burrs which are bigger than the Q2 burrs but the price is slightly lower than the Q2 because the grounds container is made of plastic and probably other reasons!
Do you have a review video for Timemore G1 Plus (E&B Burr)? If you have the special edition which is titanium coated, then it will be more awesome!
Was thinking of combining this with a Rok EspressoGC and Aeropress. As the 'person with the tiny hands' this really appeals to me, but do you think it's good enough for both? The JX-Pro is also $60 more here and i'm not sure i'll notice the difference...
Manual espresso is a bit more forgiving when it comes to grind settings so it would probably work okay-ish. Though I'd probably consider an electric grinder in your case or maybe the JE Plus.
@@coffeechronicler Thanks for the suggestions I'll check them out! :)
I'm giving my ancient Gaggia away to a friend and was looking for a budget grinder for her. Sounds like for the increased grind settings of the JXPro, it's worth the slight increase in cost. I'm curious to see how the Chestnut X compares to the other high end grinders. Do you plan to try one when available?
From what I have heard the Chestnut X is good, but rather slow at the finer range. And the price is also a bit higher. I might review it in the future though.
Im looking for a grinder that can bring out the juicy coffee with pour over. I know this is a big unfair comparison but how does it fair against Commandante C40 Nitro in pour over? The price of the latest Commandante is just too much and 1Zpresso seems a bit too much if its for temporary grinder.
My ultimate goal is to get a commandante
They are all very close, so unless you have them next to each other it can be hard to tell. Slim Plus is a bit more muddy than Jx, and Jx is a bit more muddy than C40. Probably Jx is the ideal compromise when consindering price and speed of grinding as well as taste.
I have the GAGGIA classic pro, then you don't recommend it ?
No, would be very difficult to dial in...
@@coffeechronicler thank you bro! Can you recommend something else for my gaggia classic pro?
Hi, enjoying your channel. I've watched alot of vids. My question is for filter coffee, and may also do F-press or Aeropress: C2 with E&B upgrade VS anything K or J series? Without getting too technical, if your opinion is biased towards flavor profiles...no problem.
I‘m currently torn between the slim plus and the jx pro. In terms of speed how do you think do they compare? Is the jx pro even faster due to the greater burrs? My main uses will be daily single french press coffees and moka pots on the weekends. What are your thoughts or recommendations for this kind of use?
The Slim Plus is actually slightly faster than the Jx Pro, and on par with the standard Jx. For your use cases you should also consider the standard Jx. For French press and Moka both will be really good, so it's up to your preference.
@@coffeechronicler thank you. Just pulled the trigger on the slim plus, will see...
Hi! I’m looking for a grinder for an aeropress. I was looking at this one because it fits inside the aeropress and it seems quite good. I hear that you swear by the 1zpresso jx, but they don’t seem to sell replacement burrs, whereas Timemore do. Do you think replacement parts are important?
The Slim fits inside an AP, but it's a slightly awkward fit, since it's protruding quite a bit.
1zpresso will exchange broken parts and plan on offering burrs in the future. But in the short term burrs shouldn't be a worry, since they can last many years without any issues.
Would it work great for Picopresso?
It depends on beans
Quick question, timemore slim plus or 1zpresso jxpro/jx?
My favorite is probably Jx, unless you're looking for travel option/or have small hands.
@@coffeechronicler thankyou sir 👍🏻
How about timemore c2 with e&b burr ? Do you think it can grind for good espresso?
It will still have quite big steps, making it very difficult to dial in. So not ideal.
@@coffeechronicler yaa I guess so too , nevermind ... I guess better go for JX-PRO
Nice Video! Could you review the Staresso Discovery Grinder aswell?
Maybe in the future. I'm not quite sure if it's their own design or a generic one with their logo on.
Love your reviews! I have been so blown away by the jx pro after getting one per your recommendation. Have you done a comparison of the smaller model jx? I do wish it fit in the aeropress 😅
Thanks Cody! Both Jx's perform more or less the same and are almost the same size. The smaller one that fits in the AeroPress is Q2, which is good but not quite in the same league.
hi, thanks for the video. Does it fit inside a normal aeropress?
It's slim enough to fit inside, but it will be sticking out quite a bit since it's longer
@@coffeechronicler this doesnt matter but so it will be the perfect travel grinder
@@vizzo7
Timemore nano is better for that with same burrs
This is how much it sticks out, I got it primarily for this and I think it works well. The other alternative I considered was the 1zpresso Q2 which sticks out a bit less but the grind chamber is quite a bit smaller, and I think it's probably slower as well. The Slim+ is super fast and has good capacity. I didn't go with the Nano because it's quite a bit more expensive, but also the limited hopper, I'd have to do two grinds and that would get annoying fast. For Aeropress as well, the folding arm on the Nano wouldn't be a benefit as you wouldn't be able to fold it with it actually in the Aeropress, you'd have to take it off anyway.
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For me, after 1 month of using, this grinder cant grind fine enough for espresso. At 7 clicks using delonghi dedica EC685 with 18 grams coffee, produce 47-49 grams coffee. Way over 1:2 ratio
I was able to choke the Gaggia Classic on 7, so it does go pretty fine. If you want a 1:2 ratio, just stio the shot a bit earlier.
I got the JX following your recommendations and couldn't be happier with a hand grinder. I donated my Wilfa Svart to my wife (we tend to drink very different coffees so we have separate gear). Thanks for that.
Do you mind sharing your Gabi Master A recipe? In particular - do you bloom before putting the top part on, or strictly follow the method described by the manufacturer?
For the comparison, I didn't do manual blooming. But if I'm just brewing for enjoyment, I will usually bloom with 2,5 x dose and give it a little swirl as well to ensure full saturation
I’ve just ordered the C2 and the E&B burrs upgrade as I’ve also ordered a Bellman CX25P to make some stove top espresso and moka pots. I’m not a super coffee snob so I’m not too fussed about extraction so I think the C2 with the upgraded burrs should work fine. Keen to see how it goes!
With the newer EB burrs, any click setting recommendations to start with for v60 "osmotic flow" brewing? Love your channel, keep up the great work!
Any manual grinder recommendation for travel/store inside aeropress?
Maybe 1zpresso Q2
@@coffeechronicler thank you for the fast answer 🙂
@@CamMor89 aergrind also by knock
timemore nano
I got the Slim Plus for this, I was considering the Q2 but went with the Slim Plus for higher capacity, speed, cheaper, and also better grip. Main positive of the Q2 I think would be that it protrudes less, but I don't really find the Slim Plus to be a problem in that regard, I can handle the length, I just want it all in one tube. imgur.com/9h2k8xS
Recently I cleaned my timemore slim plus, but when i removed the burrs i noticed small chips on the burrs. Is this normal, or is it something I should bring up with the place i purchased from
It's pretty normal with some small dents and scratches, so I wouldn't worry if the performance is unchanged.
Does the new "e & b" burrs produce more fines than the previous standard c2 burrs?
Anyone knows?
Which has better uniformity for manual brew?
It seems to be around the same, maybe a bit less.
@@coffeechronicler thanks brotha 🙏🏼
I don't like that the knob comes off. It's troublesome if you should. misplace it.
Does this fit in an aeropress?
It's slim enough to be inside, but will be sticking out quite a bit since it's longer
@@coffeechronicler Interesting! Still sounds better than not fitting at all :)
This is the main reason I got it, fits in an Aeropress but will hold >20g easy. 1zpresso Q2 or Timemore Nano also fit, with less protrusion, but less hopper capacity. imgur.com/9h2k8xS
This or the 1Zpresso JX?
Jx unless you have small hands or prefer this design
for extending the grinder usage life, can i just hammer the coffee bean before?
Would you say that there is a grind difference worth the price between the normal burrs and the E&B for Aeropress and pour over?
I would say it's a pretty minor upgrade for those methods
@@coffeechronicler thank you for letting me know. Would you consider comparing small portable hand grinders in the future (Q2, Nano, Porlex)? Or lightweight equipment for travelling/hiking? :-)
Which grinder will you recommend for spresso that is somehow in the 200-300 usd budget??
i used a junoesque/linglong ace48.. which has 18 steps per rotation.. and even this ended up being quite frustrating for me, to dial in for espresso. when i got a kinu, my espresso really opened up. i dont think its hardcore snobbery.. i think its basic requisite. so i am a bit disappointed with this review; we should simply say, it is not for espresso, if the steps are too large to dial in. otherwise, others will have to learn the hard way, like me. still, its good to have two hand grinders--one is set up for pour over, the other for espresso (first had flair, and now have gaggia classic pro)
Some people make espresso with the Hario Skerton or Baratza Encore, so I'm not going to say it's impossible. However, I don't think anybody will walk away from this review seeing it as an espresso endorsement.
@@coffeechronicler Thanks for the response brother! It was a nice video as always. Just want to save people from going down the road i went down haha Woe to the man with a finicky palate who decides to get into espresso unprepared
“something like the Kompresso” hmm 😉
You need to get that plant higher by just placing it in a platform
too bad thare is no stand to place it in so handicapped persons who OMG also like coffee can use it