My father was born in 1951 and myself in 1983 he told me that during apartheid we had world cup winning talent in soth africa across all provinces on the weekends they forgot about apartheid it was a time where the whole week would accumulate to that match on the weekend where the whole community got emptied out onto the grounds to support the local team and that professor mlungisi ngubane was the real GOAT of SA football oh how i wished i was born earlier
We certainly did! We once walloped a tough Argentina side! We had the likes of Jomo Sono who played alongside the great Pele; there’s Kalamazoo Mokone, the first black South African player to play in the English league where he played first for Coventry City, and Cardiff City! In Holland he won the league with Heracles! He played a couple of friendlies for Real Madrid, he was then signed by Barcelona, went on loan to Marseille, in Italy he played for Torino! He made a mistake by moving to the US because the US supported apartheid and Mokone was outspoken against apartheid so the CIA and racist Boers regime colluded and sent him to jail for 12 years on trumped up charges as it was later revealed under President Mbeki’s term! That’s how they operated, even though they call themselves the land of the free and a bastion of freedom, it’s all a lie! Ace Ntsoelengoe was also great, so was Kaizer Motaung, there was Darius Dhlomo, Teenage Dladla, Chippa Moloi (Snr), Eliakim ‘Pro’ Khumalo(Doctor’s dad)…the list goes on and on! What held us back was apartheid because they banned all our gifted players who were destined for greatness! They were evil people!
@Mntungwa77 thanks very much for some insight I never knew that story about kalamazoo mokone it is my first time hearing it. Do you rate him the best in south africa? Also i sometimes try and watch local ball but I just cant get over the quality of ball even after your golden generation I was lucky to see the generation after with doctor,ace,Jerry,mkalele,nyathi etc I really enjoyed that era now I dig deep to watch a match that comes close to those days
@@RaymondRay-yp7kx Mokone was, in my view, the greatest! He was even honoured in the US before our own government remembered him. Ringo Madlingozi has a song that praises him; I forgot the title of the song, but it's about the greatness of South Africa as a country. Ringo goes on to list some heroes, but he keeps going back to Steve 'Kalamazoo' Mokone. The Dutch made a documentary about him, 'The Black Meteor,' about his time when he played for them. He was also an intelligent man who even became a university professor at some stage in his life. He was the first Black African from this country to be given a passport to play abroad. There were two other players, though, Gerry Francis and Albert Johanneson, who played for Leeds United and are from what we call our Coloured community (I have never been comfortable with calling anyone like that, but that's what SA has become since apartheid)! Local football was great when guys played for the love of the game and pride. That generation of Khumalo, Khuse, Magents Motale, Tebogo Moloi, and Sundowns under Screamer Tshabalala was also a great period. When there'd be lots of banter and excitement everywhere leading up to a derby. That's because players were allowed to play to their strengths, and until we get coaches who can enable our players to play to their strengths, we will once again be unstoppable. They need not be local coaches, Augusto Palacios, Ted Dumitry, and Jeff Buttler were not from here, but they understood our culture and game. They succeeded. We should recruit local coaches or coaches from South America or Latin countries who rely on skill more than physical strength, as the English do. Look at how well Bafana played against Nigeria last month, IN NIGERIA. Those guys in West Africa are bigger than us, so you won't challenge them physically, so moving the ball swiftly with trickery with our little nippy players works for us. Our game is still alive, but the quality in the league is different from what it used to be, and it is really scrappy. We also spend too much money buying average players from other countries, making it hard for our young talent to develop. This is because team owners want results NOW because of the big money invested in football that goes to their pockets, not development. Buy players that will improve the league like they do in England. Also, we have had the same SAFA leadership for the past 20-30 years; what do we expect to change with the same old ideas? But we must still try and support our own, though I must admit...it is hard to watch at times.
1991 was a good NSL Season for Chiefs, Fani "Msindisi" Madoda was recalled from Sharp Blackpool after a shocking departure of Marks "Go man go" Maponyane, Madida teamed up with Shane "Maketanga" McGregor and they jointly scored 42 goals (Madida 28, McGregor 14) this was the Legends game showing us what made them tick
@@Mntungwa77 the Marks Maponyane issue hurt me so bad, his reasons were valid but I was hurt when he left to join Dynamos. And yes Madida and Seale were recalled from Blackpool, and Manyathi was recalled from Grinaker Rangers… Shane came from there too
I think they were in their late thirties or early 40 as some of the display proper skills....its nice to watch legends.....this must have been in the early 90s...Note made on Friday 3/11/2023
These players were entertaining and also playing an attacking game with forward passes more than back passes. Skills were shown. How did they train? The current teams must watch these games or derby.
The amazing thing is how rich was SA Soccer History in that game😳!!!! This was the best of the best for both teams which will never happen again!!!! I wonder where was Teenage Dladla and Shaka Ngcobo and also Chippa Chauke and Mthofi Khumalo in that game?
To think back then in '91,i was in Standard 4 ko Ditau Primary School in Orlando East, when this game took place, i was in the same class with Andrew "CULOTTES/KILOT" Setlhodi,he was also a brilliant keeper like his father BANKS SETLHODI and was a keeper for our class and school. 1991 i was the main striker ko sgela ba mpitsa "Nanana" coz of my short stature, i remember that year i was going head to head with Fani Madida, eveyday i scored goals for my class whenever we played with other classes and schools...i also finished the year on 29 goals and won R20 from the class. That's way back then when diski was our main refuge as young boys. Vandag diski is not even part of my vocab, at 44 im into other sports coz the current administration killed SA FOOTBALL.
Indeed!!! And notable also with 1996 of the best Version of Bafana bafana!!! After the generation of the likes of Doctor Khumalo everything else died.🙄
Thank you, point of correction, Jan "Malombo" Leshaba "Mokgatla wa bokone, kwa Bopedi" not Lichaba, is Wesbter Lichaba, surnames are not the different, Lichaba is south sotho while Malombo e le warra- mopedi
Best soccer was back in 69 to 73, Black Aces, PUBS, Pirates, Swallows, Zulu Royals, Rockville Hungry Lions, Alex Fighters, United Bacaneers, Orlando Highlanders. Featuring players like Junior Ngobe, Rollaway, Makhubu, Dancing Shoes Hartze, Dynamite Khan, Kaizer, Chippa, Vader and a plethora of others. Bo Rhee, etc. Remember the whole of soccer at Orlando in the 1970 Rogue Cup. WOW
No no no Ncesh, it can't be early 80s for the following reasons...all of them, except Screamer, were active players in the early 80s, Russia also had retired by then, okwesbini, the match was played at FNB Stadium and the FNB started to function only in 1989 September, 3rdly the kit worn was Kappa that was worn or used by Chief from 1988 onwards and in 1991 they were wearing exactly the same strip....4thly in the early 80s Jomo had no "mkhaba"....I think I argued my case well. 22/7/2024
They were had already retired, old, it was a Legends game. It must have been a curtain raiser match. As you say poor football, remember that they had already retired and not training and fit anymore.
You bring back down those memories of yester yrs, Good football ❤❤❤
My father was born in 1951 and myself in 1983 he told me that during apartheid we had world cup winning talent in soth africa across all provinces on the weekends they forgot about apartheid it was a time where the whole week would accumulate to that match on the weekend where the whole community got emptied out onto the grounds to support the local team and that professor mlungisi ngubane was the real GOAT of SA football oh how i wished i was born earlier
True
That's what my dad told me as well. Very true 💯
We certainly did! We once walloped a tough Argentina side! We had the likes of Jomo Sono who played alongside the great Pele; there’s Kalamazoo Mokone, the first black South African player to play in the English league where he played first for Coventry City, and Cardiff City! In Holland he won the league with Heracles! He played a couple of friendlies for Real Madrid, he was then signed by Barcelona, went on loan to Marseille, in Italy he played for Torino! He made a mistake by moving to the US because the US supported apartheid and Mokone was outspoken against apartheid so the CIA and racist Boers regime colluded and sent him to jail for 12 years on trumped up charges as it was later revealed under President Mbeki’s term! That’s how they operated, even though they call themselves the land of the free and a bastion of freedom, it’s all a lie! Ace Ntsoelengoe was also great, so was Kaizer Motaung, there was Darius Dhlomo, Teenage Dladla, Chippa Moloi (Snr), Eliakim ‘Pro’ Khumalo(Doctor’s dad)…the list goes on and on! What held us back was apartheid because they banned all our gifted players who were destined for greatness! They were evil people!
@Mntungwa77 thanks very much for some insight I never knew that story about kalamazoo mokone it is my first time hearing it. Do you rate him the best in south africa? Also i sometimes try and watch local ball but I just cant get over the quality of ball even after your golden generation I was lucky to see the generation after with doctor,ace,Jerry,mkalele,nyathi etc I really enjoyed that era now I dig deep to watch a match that comes close to those days
@@RaymondRay-yp7kx Mokone was, in my view, the greatest! He was even honoured in the US before our own government remembered him. Ringo Madlingozi has a song that praises him; I forgot the title of the song, but it's about the greatness of South Africa as a country. Ringo goes on to list some heroes, but he keeps going back to Steve 'Kalamazoo' Mokone. The Dutch made a documentary about him, 'The Black Meteor,' about his time when he played for them. He was also an intelligent man who even became a university professor at some stage in his life. He was the first Black African from this country to be given a passport to play abroad.
There were two other players, though, Gerry Francis and Albert Johanneson, who played for Leeds United and are from what we call our Coloured community (I have never been comfortable with calling anyone like that, but that's what SA has become since apartheid)! Local football was great when guys played for the love of the game and pride. That generation of Khumalo, Khuse, Magents Motale, Tebogo Moloi, and Sundowns under Screamer Tshabalala was also a great period. When there'd be lots of banter and excitement everywhere leading up to a derby. That's because players were allowed to play to their strengths, and until we get coaches who can enable our players to play to their strengths, we will once again be unstoppable. They need not be local coaches, Augusto Palacios, Ted Dumitry, and Jeff Buttler were not from here, but they understood our culture and game. They succeeded.
We should recruit local coaches or coaches from South America or Latin countries who rely on skill more than physical strength, as the English do. Look at how well Bafana played against Nigeria last month, IN NIGERIA. Those guys in West Africa are bigger than us, so you won't challenge them physically, so moving the ball swiftly with trickery with our little nippy players works for us. Our game is still alive, but the quality in the league is different from what it used to be, and it is really scrappy. We also spend too much money buying average players from other countries, making it hard for our young talent to develop. This is because team owners want results NOW because of the big money invested in football that goes to their pockets, not development. Buy players that will improve the league like they do in England. Also, we have had the same SAFA leadership for the past 20-30 years; what do we expect to change with the same old ideas? But we must still try and support our own, though I must admit...it is hard to watch at times.
Oh ! I miss those years of brilliant football ❤
1991 was a good NSL Season for Chiefs, Fani "Msindisi" Madoda was recalled from Sharp Blackpool after a shocking departure of Marks "Go man go" Maponyane, Madida teamed up with Shane "Maketanga" McGregor and they jointly scored 42 goals (Madida 28, McGregor 14) this was the Legends game showing us what made them tick
1991 was the best year indeed. Fanie and Shane were on fire
@@drtalkboxsa9412 with Botende Eshele in goals!!!
@@Mntungwa77 it was Wade du Plessis and Willie Shongwe. didn’t Botende come later in 1992?
@@Mntungwa77 the Marks Maponyane issue hurt me so bad, his reasons were valid but I was hurt when he left to join Dynamos.
And yes Madida and Seale were recalled from Blackpool, and Manyathi was recalled from Grinaker Rangers… Shane came from there too
@@drtalkboxsa9412 It was indeed Du Plessis, Botende arrived in 1994
I think they were in their late thirties or early 40 as some of the display proper skills....its nice to watch legends.....this must have been in the early 90s...Note made on Friday 3/11/2023
These players were entertaining and also playing an attacking game with forward passes more than back passes. Skills were shown. How did they train? The current teams must watch these games or derby.
The amazing thing is how rich was SA Soccer History in that game😳!!!! This was the best of the best for both teams which will never happen again!!!! I wonder where was Teenage Dladla and Shaka Ngcobo and also Chippa Chauke and Mthofi Khumalo in that game?
This was a legends match
To think back then in '91,i was in Standard 4 ko Ditau Primary School in Orlando East, when this game took place, i was in the same class with Andrew "CULOTTES/KILOT" Setlhodi,he was also a brilliant keeper like his father BANKS SETLHODI and was a keeper for our class and school.
1991 i was the main striker ko sgela ba mpitsa "Nanana" coz of my short stature, i remember that year i was going head to head with Fani Madida, eveyday i scored goals for my class whenever we played with other classes and schools...i also finished the year on 29 goals and won R20 from the class.
That's way back then when diski was our main refuge as young boys.
Vandag diski is not even part of my vocab, at 44 im into other sports coz the current administration killed SA FOOTBALL.
😢 those good old days, when we were talking idisky forever, tsamaya, chibobo "spytwo" mkalangwana "sizas kick" is'thende
Did anyone notice how little the commentator pronounces on Pirates players
SA Soccer lasted from 1971 to 1994
Indeed!!! And notable also with 1996 of the best Version of Bafana bafana!!! After the generation of the likes of Doctor Khumalo everything else died.🙄
Fantastic masters game😅
Thank you, point of correction, Jan "Malombo" Leshaba "Mokgatla wa bokone, kwa Bopedi" not Lichaba, is Wesbter Lichaba, surnames are not the different, Lichaba is south sotho while Malombo e le warra- mopedi
Late 70's football
When we are talking about football nice 1❤
Jomo had the fastest legs even though he had big body..
Reminds one of the Rogue e
Best soccer was back in 69 to 73, Black Aces, PUBS, Pirates, Swallows, Zulu Royals, Rockville Hungry Lions, Alex Fighters, United Bacaneers, Orlando Highlanders. Featuring players like Junior Ngobe, Rollaway, Makhubu, Dancing Shoes Hartze, Dynamite Khan, Kaizer, Chippa, Vader and a plethora of others. Bo Rhee, etc. Remember the whole of soccer at Orlando in the 1970 Rogue Cup. WOW
This must have been 1990 or 1991 when back pass to keeper then handle it was still allowed ...3/11/23
I think its early 80s😂.
No no no Ncesh, it can't be early 80s for the following reasons...all of them, except Screamer, were active players in the early 80s, Russia also had retired by then, okwesbini, the match was played at FNB Stadium and the FNB started to function only in 1989 September, 3rdly the kit worn was Kappa that was worn or used by Chief from 1988 onwards and in 1991 they were wearing exactly the same strip....4thly in the early 80s Jomo had no "mkhaba"....I think I argued my case well. 22/7/2024
@@ThembaMayekiso-vk7us I get you, this must have been an exhibition by then ex players. You got it.
They look tired
Poor football. Crowds made them stars.
They were had already retired, old, it was a Legends game. It must have been a curtain raiser match. As you say poor football, remember that they had already retired and not training and fit anymore.
But weak game😂😂😂❤
Football brains don't run around like headless chicken
This was a legends match very decent
This game all I saw is that All players lost possession of the ball so cheaply. With inaccurate passes😂
Not during their prime 😜 I was blessed to see them they were the best!!!!
They were old time greats, but they were still fit and strong than players of today
@@Oscar-hv3qy By far!!!