Turkey-Armenia: Peace in Ruins? | ARTE.tv Documentary
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- In eastern Turkey, close to the Armenian border, an archaeological site highlights the difficult past between Turks and Armenians. Ani was the old capital of Armenia, and it’s restoration by Turkish is a bone of contention between the two countries.
Turkey-Armenia: Peace in Ruins? | ARTE.tv Documentary
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Christians in this region of the world largely forgotten by western countries.
The Armenian Highlands are very fascinating.
turkish highlands
The Russians are never there to protect the Armenians. They are simply there to try gamble whatever’s left of Armenia for their own interests. That’s what they have always done.
Thank you, ARTE.
Turkey excavating Ani, Armenia's old capital, is a crime against humanity under UN Declaration on Universal Human Rights and UN Declaration on Rights of Indigenous Peoples. Armenians are indigenous to the region. Armenia has a right to their cultural heritage sites. It should be in Armenia. Turkey committed genocide against Armenians on that same land and stole it through settler colonialism -Turks only arrived in the 1200s from far east. This is like the British Museum stealing other nation's heritage for display.
This land belongs to Turks now!
You can be glad that you have a habitat for yourself, sponsored by westerners.
@@denizucar3947
When was the last time you visited your ancestral habitat in Central Asia where your grandparents crawled out of?
lol. Before the Turks came, you were kissing the skirts of the Romans. The Turks came and defeated the Romans, then marched on Vienna. What were you doing at that time? Also, there is no such thing as genocide. As long as you ignore the genocide and massacres committed against the Turks, we will ignore you. Go and arrange protocols in America and ask Uncle Sam for a few euros. Turks do not give even a penny to your diaspora.
I am from kars .ı very well know that armaniens first started to kill Turks and by puttig fear in their minds and hearts thus forcing them to to be expelled.
@@AraratArmenia-hi4xw Lol 😂🤣 please cry harder your tears make give joy to me :D this is our homeland we have been here for 1000+ years and it will be ours for eternity.
100 years since the Armenian genocide and still the governments of Turkey and Azerbaijan demand more from Armenia, while they wipe out and neglect any traces of Armenian culture and history within their own borders. The lengths people will go to hurt others for their own benefit, because of their own greed or pride, is sad
Armenians were brutally deported it wasn't a genocide. Genocide was done on Turks by the Armenians whenever Russians invaded the Ottoman Empire. Read it by Pushkin's memoirs, or Armenia's first president Kaçaznuni. Christian West thinks that it's OK if it's the Muslims who are killed. Xenophobia and racism is in your bones. If you want to see genocide, go to Hodjali. Try to study history without a Turkish butthurt.
Armenia should recognize the killings of muslims by armenian gangs first. The armenian gangs backed by the russian empire started this whole thing by killing muslims in anatolia to fullfil their dreams of great armenia supported by the russian empire to destabilize the ottoman empire.
@@Zeta4 dont worry my friend God almighty knows all the evil that people you talk about did to your people and to many others,know that you are not alone in this fight but the scariest army in the world is with you, soon you will understand what I am talking about,they will see that" God rules among the kingdom of the humans and gives it to who ever he wishes"
Really? Who attacked Azerbaijan, kept 20% of its lands under occupation before 2020 while not complying with the four UN resolutions, displaced one million people, conducted massacres (just like Khojaly, Malibeyli, Mesheli, etc.) of innocent civilians, left tens of thousands of mines, and vandalized mosques and cemetries?
I was just there in July...on the Turkish side... looking at Armenia ....it was 💔💔💔 and the cultural whitewashing is everywhere in Turkey and occupied Cyprus
Turkey must ban you from entering the country.
12:30 - The Karabakh region is 90% Armenian in population, so it should be part of Armenia by rights, and taking Armenians over means there should be no corridor. "NOrmalization" cannot take place while Armenian culture and people are being erased on both sides.
False, Arenians are outsiders to all of Caucasia, including Karabag, Revan and entire Armenia of today. Revan Khanate is a Turk state in todays Yerevan beginning 19th century. Russian collected Armenians from Iran and Türkiye by ethnic cleansing Turks.
Karabakh is %90 Armenian because they have ethnically cleansed all the 500.000 Azerbaijanis (which made majority of the region) from the region in first Karabakh war, it is exactly the same situation with kicking someone out of somewhere and declaring yourself the majority.
@@ayhankaracaoglu6845
You need to stop smoking potent Turkish hashish. It is rotting your brain. Forget who says what. Check out Encyclopedia Britanica and see what belongs to whom! If you consider yourselves Turkish then you are from Central Asia. If you consider yourselves Turkish converts from the Caucasus then you can only be from the Caspian coast and not from Iran-Armenia border region. The history of the region was written long before artificial Azerbaijan was invented by Lenin and Stalin 106 years ago in 1918 on occupied Armenian and Persian lands!
You are proud that Armenia's Ani a city of a thousand churches is on the Turkish side of the border? What else is new! You never had anything of your own!
We are proud that we fight for our flag , Turkish nation that lives in Türkiye 🇹🇷 , our religion , and fucked up your gypsy nation thats origins from India Rajasthan
Like how we are pride too usa brother country ❤️🇦🇿 that take there occupied lands with a war in 44 days
And about the churches we are not Barbars like armenians that destroys 141historical mosques inside Armenia thats the difference between your nation and my nation
@@mesudkucuk7178gypsy nation? The yurt is a very famous turkish invention.😂
A historical site and Osman Kavala in the same videos😂😂😂
Yeah you know it is a bullshit propaganda video marketed as a history video that try to throw dirt on Turkish goverment at any given chance
Also, stop with the joke 'Ahh, we can’t go there because it’s Turkish land.' There are at least 100,000 illegal Armenian immigrants in Turkey. Don’t make me laugh.
Bullshit made up by Erdogan a decade ago. There are no illegal Armenians in turkey.
There are 100.000 Armenians in Constantinople, and they have been there since the early Byzantine times.
Ağrıdag is Turkey 🇹🇷 Karabakh is Azerbaijan 🇦🇿
I visited Ani just before the pandemic hit. "Yes, political lies." Support a secular Turkey.
7:01 what about the Cordoba mosque , she is not talking the full truth unfortunately, what about the pantheons in Roman pagan temple and they are using as a church 😂😂😂😂😂😂
The real reason Arte makes videos about Türkiye is to say something bad about it. The subject is always secondary.
More than 450 villages, tens of Mosques were destroyed by Armenian terrorists just only within 30 years of unlawful occupation of Karabakh. Shame on you Arte for false reporting and siding yourself on Armenian irredentism, occupation and terrorism...
What is the problem of converting it into a mosque? Otherwise it would fall apart because there are no christians anymore.
Turkey should invite Christians back. When Israelis convert mosques into temples, people cry foul. Why the double standard? And yes, there are Christians there, but they are too afraid to practice openly.
Hovaness Shiraz was married to my Grandpa's sister Shushanik (His second wife). I played with their children frequently when i was a kid.
Armenia was not supported by Russia during 1990s war with azerbaijan. Armenians were using hunting rifles and leftover weapons from ww2 along with soviet weapons. Russia did not help armenia with troops or weapons so what king of "support" are you talking about?
Conversion of mosques at El Hamra to churches is ok but the opposite is bad?
this anti turkish turks make me sick
Any conversion, be it mosque or church is wrong.
Only in Spain this happened after 700 years of Muslim occupation. Arab-Muslims invaded the Christian country and conquered the big part of it.
Some mosques were converted after the liberation of Spain, when the Muslims were pushed out of the country, back to Africa.
whataboutism. El Hamra is also is Spain, nothing to do with Armenia.
@@jbc683tso muslims have the right to push out Christians in the philiphines? As islam was their first?
ARMENIA WENT ON THE OFFENSIVE... Stop trying to hide your hypocrisy, Arty! Hahahaha. Armenia occupied that region of Azerbaijan because there were more ethnic Armenians than ethnic Turks, and they carried out ethnic cleansing against the Turks. Why can't you say that?"
No ethnic cleansing of Turks. Stop drinking your shitty government's propaganda kool-aid. Turks aren't even from Anatolia. They are welcome to migrate back to the mountains of Central Asia they sing about in songs whenever they like.
It is Azerbaijan who went on a Offensive after An Autonomous Armenian Oblast Voted legally to be part of Armenia. They just defended themselves🤷🏻♂️
Dont forget about the Pogroms and etnic cleansing in Azerbaijan ( Kirovabad, Ganja, Baku) against Armenians.
cry me a river azergöt
Hmm.. is there any "special" rule that forbid Armenian citizens to visit the ruins of Ani? I might be wrong but.. I don't think so, it's unlikely. In general, as a matter of fact, Armenian citizens can visit Turkiye (if I remember correctly even without visa), and they do it in the thousands. Also Turkish citizens are allowed to visit Armenia; not many of them do, but some of them yes
No corridor for turks! Give us our lands back and then we can talk anout peace and prosperity.
Anıyı onarmak Ağdamı onarmaktan daha kolay olacak
Anatodolu kultur is Altay. There is not Turk nation . 92% of you mixed Christian’s hidden
What is your purpose? To be an enemy of the Turks. Are you threatening Turkey by defending a terrorist named Osman Kavala? Who is your owner?
Did they really show that guys phones code haha
I find it quite lacking that this "French/German" media refuses to disclose the reason for Armenia's exclusion from neighbourly relations. Was it because they occupied, expelled 700 thousand civilians and despite many UN decisions/Madrid principles refused to compromise with their neighbour for about 30 years?
They knew their hostile neighbors intentions. So they kept their land to secure their people as much as possible. Who expelled Baku and Sumgait Armenians first?
@@aramebandari2259Don’t play the stupid game Turkey and Azerbaijan are acting in bad faith. Pashinyan is pushing the crossroads of peace.
@@aramebandari2259 Well, if we start who did it first we need to go hundreds of years.
The problem is since 90s Armenians were acting in bad faith. They had the opportunity to secure a lasting peace and good neighbourly relations instead they followed their Russian masters directives and kept the surrounding territories as a "buffer zone".
Now they don't have peace, karabakh or the 4000+ young Armenians who unfortunately died.
@@SoghomonTehlirian1915 Same Pashinyan before 2020 was dancing around in Shusha? Knowing the city meant a lot to Azerbaijanis.
All it tooks for Armenians to beg for peace was getting absolutely humiliated in battlefield. Before 2020, everyone in Armenia was fine with status quo, now nobody in Azerbaijan or Armenia is fine with status quo.
@@alps-t true.
Let's talk about some facts ...
Fact: Those who encourage Armenia to follow a more "Hardcore" policy; For example, the The Diaspora and Big Friend! France are actually doing harm to the Armenians.
Fact: Armenia urgently needs to find energy resources. Metsamor, the world's most dangerous nuclear power plant, is the main source of energy today. If something were to happen to it, neither Armenia nor the Armenian race would be left behind.
Big bada bumm and no more Armenia ...!
Fact: If the risk of War arises again, neither the diaspora 15,000 km away nor the Westerners who know nothing but shouting empty can help. .. because geography. If a regional conflict breaks out, how can you deliver weapons - soldiers - ammunition and beyond that civilian aid to Yerevan? North pole route? Dig tunnels from Paris to Yerevan?
... I can list many more things, but when you look at the bottom of the page, the result is always the same.
Make peace with your neighbors, keep trade - energy and transportation routes open, and achieve prosperity and peace.
hmm....armenian lady speaking in Turkish in Irevan.
Armenia needs to blame themselves only - when they started war against of Azerbaijan and thanks support from russia occupied Azerbaijani soil for 30 years.
anti-Turkish propaganda.
Yes, Turks are devils and Armenians are angels. It is funny how french television points out every detail of "genocides" of other people, when themselves have a bunch of dirty underpants. Algeria....Afro-Francs..
Never ever I have seen an objektive documentation. Turks never claimed that Ani is turkish. What a misinformation. And if every nation would get their own historical architectural sites, then the half of the world would belong to the Turks.
Justifiable and _factual_. Turks aren't from Anatolia. They are welcome to migrate back to Central Asia whenever they want.
@@hi_arav go tell to usa citizen to go back to Europe first
While Armenia and Greece accuse Turkey of irredentism they are the ones who push the borders and see Turkish regions as their own. As you can watch here, "Western Armenia", "I see no mosque there", "My grandmother would get angry if I mentioned Ani/Kars is Turkish today". They fail to accept the present and live in a dream world that was thousands of years ago, all due to the way they are raised in their educational institutions. Look at whose expense Greece grew since they became independent. They even forced their luck to their limits and tried to capture Ankara which turned out to be their ultimate doom in their "Asia Minor catastrophe". The Armenian ASALA terror organisation which assassinated Turkish politicians, diplomats and even civillians had the ideal to do that until Eastern Anatolia becomes Armenian, an ideal that is very alive between Armenians even today. Reason? Because they were once (1000 years ago) part of a Middle Age Armenian state. By that logic Turkey should drive their tanks until the Altai mountains to the East and the Danube river to the West - it's just silly.
Now this all goes without saying, that the current Turkish regime is pushing for their own islamist-centric propaganda that they spread in their schools and news, which half the population doesn't even take seriously and is a hot debated topic in the country. But as an Armenian or a Greek, if you want the world - or even better the Turkish population - to agree with you and have an understanding with your sovereign rights, you have to learn to stay consistent. You can't accuse Turkey of irredentism while seeing Eastern Anatolia as Western Armenia, or the Agean Region as Greek Asia Minor - that is inconsistent. You can't condemn Turkey for converting churches into mosques while doing the same in the once muslim majority city of Yerevan, or in Greek Thrace/Macedonia/Thessaly/Attica. If something which is happening in Turkey bothers you, you have to be bothered by your own country's actions as well that go in the same direction. Only then people will take you seriously.
I really hope for a rather soon agreement between Azerbaijan and Armenia, so that both the Turkic and Armenian people can prosper from open borders, trade, cultural interactivity and most importantly permanent regional stability. It is my dream to visit Armenia one day and host friends that I make there in Turkey as well. We deserve nothing less as two neighboring people for millenia.
Thank you for displaying logic and goodwill.
@@HorvardPasha In Greece the Muslim population is alive and well protected under Greek Law. There are numerous Mosques in Greek Thrace and most importantly the 120.000 Muslim of Greece of 1923 are now in 2024 around 130.000.
Unfortunately the opposite happened to the 200.000 Greeks of Turkey. They were subjected to harassments and pogroms(1942, 1955, 1978 eritme programisi etc ) and they finally were forced to flee the country during 1955-1962.
Armenia occupied a quarter of the territory of Azerbaijan for 30 years. More than 1 million Azerbaijani citizens were forced to leave their homes. Why do you never mention this?
LONG LIVE ARMENİA🇦🇲🇦🇲🇦🇲🇦🇲🇦🇲🇦🇲🇦🇲🇦🇲🇦🇲🇦🇲🇦🇲🇦🇲🇦🇲🇦🇲🇦🇲🇦🇲
Because they are producing Crusades's propaganda. You can only expect them to paint you black.
Cause this is about Turkey and Armenia. Can you not read the caption for this video
More than 1 million? Really?
Talk about Baku and Sumgait! What happened to Armenians in late 80s? You forget the hostility by Azeri's.
Because Azeris only occupied that land in recent history when they committed ethnic purging against Armenians, who have lived there for thousands of years.
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Armenia should join NATO!
Turkey would never let them
@@Zeta4Turkey wants to leave NATO, are you not following current political outbursts from Erdogan?
@@Zeta4Yeah neither will Turkey ever get visa free travel to EU.
@@HayklassSource ? Never heard Erdoğan saying that
@@Hayklass I can't say I follow Turkish news very closely, but from my perspective, I don't think Turkey will ever willingly choose to leave NATO because they have much more influence and leverage being in it, rather than out of it.
From your comment alone my assumption is Erdogan's doing the same thing authoritarian politicians are doing around the world; He complains about his country's international agreements to his domestic audience to look strong and nationalist. But he knows they benefit him and the country, so he toes the line, seeing how far he can get without being reprimanded. Like the Georgian Dream party in Georgia or Viktor Orbán in Hungary.
“It is hard to be Armenian because you are always on defensive” Seriously? Please stop playing the victim! Who attacked and occupied the internationally recognized territories of Azerbaijan, displaced one million Azerbaijanis, did massacre of innocent civilians, vandalized Muslim mosques and graveyards, and left hundreds of thousands of land mines behind that continue killing innocent people?
Nagorno-Karabakh was the last Armenian-majority region outside of Armenia because they had been killed or fled violence everywhere else. The people there tried to legally join Armenia multiple times back in the Soviet Union, but it was never accepted. Now they're forced out of their homes there too, with no reasonable guarantee that they can ever safely return. The region will be stripped of its Armenian identity just like all the other nearby regions in Turkey and Azerbaijan's Nakhchivan. So where you see an occupation, I see a last ditch attempt to protect a people from further extermination.
bro Armenia existed before turkey and azer. It was all our land from sea to sea.
Artsakh is historically Armenian. Stalin gave a majority Armenian region to the dictatorship of Azerbaijan.
@@Zeta4 If you can’t join “legally” that doesn’t mean you have to use force, do ethnic cleansing, displace innocent civilians, and establish a fake statehood that no single country took seriously. Isn’t it what Spain’s Catalonia tried? Did they switch to a different tactic, say, violence? No.
@@SoghomonTehlirian1915 fake, Stalin never gave anything to Azerbaijan. It is enough to look at old Soviet archives. Instead, Soviets deprived Azerbaijan of Zangezur to weaken the ties between Turkiye and the rest of the Turkic world all the way from the Caucasus to Central Asia. (Luckily this is no longer an issue.)
AN-ne ... AN nun a Kİ - AN-i ... MOTHER ... NUN is sıster ... or great women of famılıa ... NIN in Turkısh ... NIN e ... AKAD ... KADnın KADIN ... HATnun HATUN ... AN-a ... AN-i ... from old tıme they had met ... Sümer-Akad and after they are ... ... ke ilgili kelimeyi yükseltir.Er ... ER ke (k) ... kadının kocası ... AN nun a Kİ ... NUN ile kardeş konumu An ile erkeğin eşine dönüp belki nezaketle KE yi Kİ yaparak dönmüş.Akad a yakın bir kelime.Uzaylı değil insan adı.Umma:Şehir ... UmmaKE:Şehir devleti ... Öt-üKEn ... MiKEn ... sessizKEn ... KenTura ... İsKENder ... KenAN ... iken ... dolu ... Yunan Türk Akad Sami dillerinde çok net bir ek.Bir yerden Ermenice de de var gibi.AN ile Anne ye giden bir tarih.Ya da AN-a ... ... İskandinav-i-a türü İskandınav halkı alanı yönlendirme a ile An dan olanlar AN a ... Türkçe AN a ... Ermenice AN - i ... ikisi de erkek e kadın ... AN nun aki ... NUN sanırım rahibe ... kızkardeş bugün
In 1915, Kars was Russian territory. So how can you talk about the Armenian genocide in Kars at these years?
Maybe because ethnic Armenians lived there before the genocide. Just saying.
Because Kars was in Armenia for hundreds of years and Russia only took over recently.
Kars was Armenia for thousands of years, Russians are slavic people from the north, who are as much of an imperialistic invaders just like the Ottomas were.
The people don’t happy to live in Muslim country have to leave to other places why do they around to us
Maybe because they are indigenous there.
Islam is religious imperialism.
What?! Mini hitlers are going to destroy us?!?!! Now way... We are dead😱