WRIST BEND DOESN'T INCREASE SPIN // DISC GOLF 101
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The wrist bend you use to throw the disc doesn't make spin.
When you grip the disc the wrist bend you choose to use doesn't put spin on the disc. The spin is created by a good strong grip with your hand. The harder you can grip the disc the more spin it will produce.
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Michael
I'll have to test this with my techdisc. It doesn't seem right but obviously I'm open to just about anything😂
Aloha One focus photos, I think the wrist bend is a peference thing. I always have a slight bend but I get a lot of spin on my disc because I grip it very hard, white knuckle. Ya that Techdisc would be fun to play with. Aloha Michael
Let us know. I'm interested as well. If I apply too much pressure on my grip I get a grip lock
Aloha Marion , Grip lock is not from your grip pressure. Grip lock happens when you stand up straight and you open your shoulders to throw the disc. Your shoulders are flat on the release. You need to bend over head on top, shoulders rotate up on the throw. This will keep you from grip locking the disc. I just released some videos talking on how shoulders need to rotate up. Look in my video archives. Aloha Michael
I’m calling BULLSHIT. The spin comes from the flick of the wrist, and you aren’t arming the last portion of your lever. White knuckles aren’t the answer either. Backloading your grip is the answer. Spin has nothing to do with accuracy. Thats suppose to be computed by the player, knowing their arm speed and what disc it is paired with. Inaccuracy comes from sucking, not getting spin🤣 Again, BULLSHIT
If every inch of reach back is critical, then every degree of coil is also critical.
It does for me
Aloha Mike, Ha I think you mist the point of the video. First the spin on disc comes from a tight grip. The Curl of the wrist does not make spin. Some people throw with a shallow bend some have a strong bend it's not about the bend it's about grip pressure because they all throw the same distance. Someone made a video saying the disc spin is created by a bent wrist that's why I titled it no it doesn't. I can throw 400 + with a shallow wrist bend. Other people can throw 400 + with a deep wrist bend. The wrist is not the catalyst it's the grip. Aloha Michael
I think the fan grip is to cause the disc to eject from your grip at a lower velocity. That way there is a more consistent rip out point as it takes less centrifugal force to over come the grip strength.
Less spin is a byproduct of less grip power, not the goal itself. An approach shot gains accuracy over a drive by having a lower ejection velocity. Not less spin.
Make sense?
Aloha TDG, So being able to create more spin helps disc to stay in the air longer. As spin slows so does the disc. I find a tight grip helps make more spin, I white knuckle my grip. Watch video I made called "Me throwing with a tight grip".
Fan grip is used to take spin off of the disc. Most of the time people will use a fan grip to reduce the spin on the disc to gain more accuracy on a approach shot. You can control how hot the disc comes into the basket. More spin the disc might hit the ground and skip out , compared to throwing the disc with less spin into basket area. Fan grip is for more touch and a power grip is spin and distance. Aloha Michael
Do you hold the disc tightly throughout your run up or do you keep everything relaxed and then clamp down hard as you are about to release the disc?
1234Paulw, I hold tight from set up. I run up with a tight grip, white knuckles. I like it tight from start because it only takes 2 to 3 seconds to throw disc once you start your pole. I did a video called "Me throwing with a tight grip" . The video I throw and talk about why I do a tight grip when I throw. Aloha Michael
Well, that’s an interesting opinion.
Aloha Livityvizion, Ha thanks for watching. So if you watch the tournaments first thing you will notice is not everyone does a full roll of the wrist. Some do some don't. I don't I only curl my wrist a little bit. But I can throw 400 and people with full curl throw 400. The thing we have in common is we both generate good spin to throw 400. Since we roll are wrist differently it has to come down to a strong grip that's the equalizer generates the most spin. Aloha Michael
My Techdisc would beg to differ... with no other changes I went from averaging 825 RPM (45MPH) to 975RPM (still 45MPH) by cocking my wrist over the course of a month.
Aloha Harp for hand, I think that that's great. I don't bend my wrist very much at all and I can throw over 400 ÷ and I generate a lot of spin. The video is not about don't bend your wrist , that's why I say people throw both styles. The video was a tight grip generates more spin then a loose grip. So your test with your Techdisc is how much spin does a tight grip to a lose grip make. The reason I said a strong wrist bend doesn't generate more spin is because I saw a video saying that a strong wrist bend generates spin. Which is not true. The grip pressure makes spin. Aloha Michael
@@DiscGolf101 You are a wise man, thanks for the response and I appreciate the video!
Aloha, Take care
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Aloha Wacky, Thanks for watching Take care. Aloha Michael
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Aloha, Thanks for watching
Perfect example of how it’s too easy to spread wrong information.
The position of a fulcrum will 100% contribute to more spin. Much more so than pressure that increases friction. There is just a point of diminishing return, which is extremely different from player to player.
Learn this in your first physics class.
Aloha TheSully, Your funny.Sounds like you are the one who doesn't know what's up. So you are saying a loose grip puts more spin on the disc as long as you cup your wrist a lot. Compared to a tight grip with a shallow wrist bend OR a deep wrist bend. I never said dont bend your wrist. If you watch pro tournaments you will notice people throw both wrist styles. Deep bend and a shallow bend but they all throw 400. Why is this, by what you are saying a shallow wrist bend should not throw 400. But it does because it is all about grip pressure not wrist bend. I have 18 years of throwing a disc and I can throw 400 +. I do a shallow wrist bend. I actually can't throw with a deep wrist bend just throws off my whole throw. Aloha Michael
I learned from actually throwing on the fields .
@@DiscGolf101 never said anything about 400.
Both are variables of the whole picture. To make the black and white statement of not bending your wrist has no effect on spin (which you did say) is completely false. I would say up to 400 neither perfect wrist snap or grip are needed as 400 isn’t that far anymore. The further you throw past, the more important each are. And I would go as far as to say wrist position is far more important than grip when thinking about diminishing returns on maximum efficiency.
Aloha , ok, in the video I said a strong wrist bend will not make more spin. Because it doesn't. Spin is generated by your grip. i didn't say don't bend your wrist. The video is on increasing disc spin. To make more disc spin takes a strong grip. If I wanted to say don't bend your wrist the video would of been titled " don't bend your wrist". Stay on content, the video is how to generate more spin on the disc.
O just for fun they did release throwing distances from the pros Statistics. 4 % of pros say they throw over 450 ft. On average. Then pros that say they throw 400 ft on average is 5 %. I made a video on it. Just interesting on average only 10% can throw 400 to 450 max.
wish you well. Take care Aloha
@@DiscGolf101 all but one thing you just mentioned is incorrect. Speaking in absolutes is very misleading. Not sure how you think I’m off topic so I’ll bullet point the response for you.
-A strong wrist bend does help increase spin (it’s probably the greatest factor)
-spin is ‘partly’ determined by your grip. And up to a point makes less difference the more firm your grip is (diminishing return). Likely a hinderance if gripped too tight.
-you did say don’t bend your wrist. The literal title of your video is “WRIST BEND DOESN’T INCREASE SPIN”
-4% of touring pros? You’re joking right? 5-10% of people at any local league you show up to can throw 400. If you’ve ever been to a pro event, you would see literally every card can throw well past 400. I can throw 400 on a bad day and I would not even put myself anywhere close to the bombers near me.
I really don’t mean to come off argumentative but this video is flat out misleading from the title alone and doesn’t do anything throughout to correct the already very incorrect statement.
Aloha, so about me been playing disc 18 years. I practice my throwing every weekend . I get in a good 5 hours a week. My idea of practice is breaking down the throw, I don't just throw. Every throw is a learning throw on how the throw works. So that's 20 hours a month practice then I still play the course also. What I teach is how I throw and what I have learned in 18 years. Like the wrist bend doesn't make spin . I have hundreds of hours throwing on just that I didn't just think this for a video. I use to try to throw with a big bend with the wrist. It didn't work for me. I went to a slight wrist bend and it worked for my throw. Grip pressure I hold the disc as tight as I can when I throw. I don't ever loosen my grip watch my video " me throwing with a tight grip".
One thing I think people don't pay attention to is I throw overstable disc only. My Destroyers are my 400 plus disc. Lots of people are throwing 400 feet with understable disc. Big difference in arm power.
And here is the percentages pros average throw. 450 to 500 2%
400 to 450 8%.
350 to 400. 22%
Aloha Michael