There's one contradiction in the Exodus story that jabs me in the face every time and I don't know why people don't mention it. The fifth plague that God inflicts on Egypt kills all of their horses, yet as the Hebrews escape, the Egyptian army chases them on chariots pulled by horses which are not dead.
God created thousands of horses from Nile clay overnight so that he could set up the Egyptian army for the big finale! I think I read that on the Memeptah Stele.
@Lee Shackelford not really, i learned from this video that the word hebrew originally meant outcast/marginalized people for example, but of course, considering it was an apologist saying that i need to look it up more
@Droolbal It can't be god because Genesis says the water of the depths prexisted god's creations, therefore if Genesis is true the universe already existed to contain water. There other reasons, but this one is in your 'inerrant book' so why do you think it's god? Did somebody tell you different and you're too stoopid to notice the contradiction? Genesis is BS of course because water cannot exist without hydrogen and oxygen; oxygen forms in stars and apparently stars don't exist in the timeline yet; of course, the water doesn't actually exist either so there's a demonstrable foundational lie starting at 1:2. There's no way out of this problem, all it leaves is a creation fable made up by ignorant bronze age savages.
I suffer PTSD from some of the religious trauma I’ve been through, these videos are kind-of a lifesaver sometimes when I start into flashbacks of the brimstone and fire boarding school. I love a good history lesson. Thank you so much for putting so much work into these educational videos.
@@night6724 atheists are always going to war? palestine, ireland, even the stupidity of the good ol' USA, all religious conflicts, along with the dozens i haven't mentioned. religion does enormous damage to individuals and whole societies. try some reading one day.
I emphasise with you cvestick. I spent 4 months of this year in a Christian centre. Which was run by Pentecostal Christians. Getting told day after day that I would go to Hell if I didn’t turn to Jesus. Even that done me some damage mentally. Therefore I have an idea of how mentally damaging religion can be first hand. As for “atheism has done more damage than religion”. That person obviously has no idea about history. Every war throughout the ages has been fuelled by religion in some shape or form, religion may not be the driving factor behind them all, however it’s always present to some capacity. Also there are some wars which have been solely about religion. That’s just the start of the damage religion has caused through the ages. Also if you read The Bible it is littered with horrific bloodshed and killings “in the name of God”.
When the archaeological dept of Tel Aviv University ( surely having a vested interest in finding the opposite) say no evidence for Exodus that pretty much seals the deal.
@Luka Merkviladze " i would like you guys to try and explain that ;)" Explain what? Unfounded assertions by a dilletante Creation cretin that does not even bother to give the useless shady Bible Humper Citations for Ken Ham or the Discotute that have come up with this unscientific nonsense? There IS nothing to debunk or explain, you have offered nothing but a nice fanfiction of the type of pseudoscience wanting to look like it can compete with biology but has zero credibility or actual scientific clout. And you could not even format it in a way not creating pseudo URls, making you look like a clueless schmuck regardless of anything else. Evolution is based on a mountain of solid, reliable evidence, gathered by believers and unbelievers alike over centuries and well documented. It can be studied at universities and confirmed in real life. Doubt against evolution is a bad joke and generally on the level of quality your post exhibits. Just curl up and cry until you can cope with reality. It's healthier than this vain and ineffective attempt at convincing others of your degree of denial.
Luka Merkviladze Every creature is a transition from what came before to what will come after, even if by only tiny amounts at a time. Are you exactly like your parents or their parents? Of course not. Now all you need to do is throw in time into the equation, vast amounts of it. Sadly it seems to skip over some...
But that would defeat the purpuse of hoping something is true. Because the bible defines faith as hoping for thing's that are not seen or biased on evidence.
It’s almost as if there was a time when God made his presence clear to us and yet we still rejected him. There is no evidence that evidence will make you love God.
@Lorenza Semaj McCoy Jr. Yea that's kinda the point as such it's not a good reason to believe. Which is why I don't understand when Christian's say evidence based faith.
My favorite was the "PHD" Creationist who tried to explain dinosaur eggs laid in even rows of 2 were a process of it fleeing the Flood. He Won The Golden Crocaduck award for Stupidy.
Matt, you are on TH-cam, you see barely anything BUT bad apologists on here. I would suggest working your way through a channel like "Modern Day debate" where they invite all sorts of apologists to "discuss" their favorite area of denial and pseudoscientific skepticism of real science ;-)
It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair Trent's salary literally depends upon believing, or pretending to believe, that these biblical myths are true and historical.
@@thegreatgazoo2334 I believe he's not saying they're all liars for money. I believe he's just saying that it's futile to make response videos because even if you click something in their head, they'll be fired if they admit it. So what's the point?
@@thegreatgazoo2334but can u seriously blame the debunkers when there are , boat loads & days worth of content out here of people describing the inconsistencies within this book and religion
deadend Are snakes serpents? The serpent, or *snake*, is one of the oldest and most widespread mythological symbols. The word is derived from Latin serpens, a crawling animal or snake. Snakes have been associated with some of the oldest rituals known to mankind and represent dual expression of good and evil. Snake. Snake, (suborder Serpentes), also called serpent, any of more than 3,400 species of reptiles distinguished by their limbless condition and greatly elongated body and tail. Synonyms for serpent snake viper basilisk dragon ophidian נחש Nāḥāš, Hebrew for "snake", is also associated with divination, including the verb form meaning "to practice divination or fortune-telling”. Tl;Dr: A serpent is a snake.
deadend It obviously went over your head so you went directly to trying to be a smartass. “...not going to get you anywhere with a studied debate opponent.” 😂 “serpent not snake..” I refuted you (with evidence) in ONE comment genius (and I use the term with ALL the sarcasm I can).
@deadend what about talking donkeys? Living inside fish for three days? Stopping sun? Walking on water? There is a lot more bullshit in this book. All fake.
deadend I was debunking a simple comment you made. And you obviously aren’t “studied” as you insist you are as you wouldn’t have made the “serpent not snake” comment in the first place.
I just find it humorous how an all knowing, loving invisible deity, cares so much about us and wants us to believe so much that he provided no real evidence and demands that we believe on faith only, and if we don't then we are going to spend eternity in torment. Oh yeah, and he needs our money and is really interested in our sex lives. The bible is so easy to pick apart once you start reading it. I have studied and read the bible, its why I am an atheist.
Plus the fact that noone can control what they truly believe, or not. That means that this so called god would send people to this supposed hell for something beyond their control. Thiests will disagree and attempt to claim that belief can be controlled, but it is not true. People cannot choose to truly believe something that they know is impossible. I always tell them to choose to believe they can fly, jump off the roof of their house, then let me know how it worked out.
If you studied the Bible, you should be aware of the many times when God made his presence absolutely clear to us and even then we were unfaithful. There is no evidence that evidence will make you love God.
Jesus said God knew His sheep, but in Exodus, God can't tell a Hebrew from an Egyptian and makes them put blood on their doors to differentiate them. Even in the Ten Commandments movie, at least two Egyptians live through it because they were in houses with bloody doors. You'd think God wouldn't be so dumb as to be tricked like that.
Ironically, the Israelites/Hebrews apparently weren't even monotheists at the supposed time of the Exodus. And interestingly, Habiru and Hebrew only sound similar in English. Not in Egyptian and Hebrew languages and they actually mean different things.
Well, but as the English are actually a lost tribe of Israel, as are native Americans, it all makes sense, because there's evidence Moses actually spoke what was almost identical to a southern American English accent :-D. It all adds up now.
The Bible even bears evidence of their pre-monotheistic religion. Some mentions of God use a plural pronoun. God's name or epithet was "El," and certain Hebrew/Israelites are ordered to cut down their "Asherah poles." If I'm not mistaken, that leads to the Ugaritic pantheon.
@@oliverlaw02 I'm not saying he's a liar. I'm just saying that this fits in perfectly in a theory called "British Israelism" (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Israelism) which, for its part, has been debunked for a long time now but whose remnants still seem to reappear regularly within the circles of religious wingnuts of English mother tongue.
In Genesis 1:1 and elsewhere , the creator is Elohim, a plural form, although it rarely takes a plural verb, from which I infer that the meaning of the word was changing from plural to singular.
Claiming that the Exodus story is true because we have some ancient mentions of Israel is like claiming the river god Tiberinus is real because we have the Colosseum. (Tiberinus, for those who aren't aware, is the god/father of the Tiber river where Romulus and Remus (supposed founders of Rome) were left to die before being given to a she-wolf to nurse)
This apologist is putting stuff into this that he knows does not even relate to the story he is trying to sell. It is that kind of dishonesty that caused me to write off all religious apologists. There is little point in dealing with someone who will just make shit up. The point, of course, is not trying to educate the apologist but to reach his/her audience where some are sitting on the belief fence. Apparently, Moses didn't know which Pharaoh he was dealing with and doing magic tricks for and making threats against. Odd, eh?
@S Gloobal Honestly I got to know. What is your obsession with coming under Athiest videos and trying to spread the same crappy arguments? You litteraly come under tons of these types of videos and share links to the same pathetic apologetics garbage. It's weird and it's starting to become an obsession of yours. Honestly I would recommend seeking professional help. And I'm not being mean at all. Your obsession is not natural at all and there might be some deep rooted mental issues you are dealing with. Please don't take this as an insult. I'm seriously concerned for your mental health at this point.
@S Gloobal I'm sure if you squint real hard that looks like good evidence, but finding things that could possibly be related to bible stories is just speculation. Take the "evidence" for Joseph in Egypt- they find an "Egyptian tomb painting depicting a caravan of Asiatics, very much like Jacob and his family, entering Egypt.." then the rest is just trying desperately to match up locations in Egypt with bible stories, it's just not compelling or convincing in any way. Maybe if you already believe the story you might look at this and say "wow, look at that, maybe that's the place where this happened" but to anyone who hasn't already convinced it's true, this is about as convincing as those "Ancient Aliens" TV shows.
@S Gloobal a statue of unknown origin.. Must be Hebrews! A coat of different colors, wow, must be Joseph! 🤦♂️this is not how archeology works, you don't start with a conclusion, then go looking for anything which vaguely fits your narrative. Believe what you want, but you will convince nobody with that lame conspiracy theory style investigation, it's speculation dressed up as evidence made for people who won't question it.
@S Gloobal I wasn't insulting you. I'm honestly concerned at this point. For months now I can see you under these types of videos trying debate everyone with the same arguments and same apologetics websites. It's concerning. It's becoming an obsession of yours. Behavior like that isn't normal.
I see apologists, especially Creationists, constantly shooting themselves in the foot, and essentially disproving their own arguments. The best one I've seen was Eric Hovind dismissing a scientific study once by saying the words, "Just because it's been written down doesn't mean it's true." Which means that any arguments for the bible being accurate in any way can be dismissed *because* it was *written down* ... Way to go Eric H!
Except that, “that which is written down” can be examined over its claims. And that is where you fail. Suddenly any arguments for the Bible get smacked across your face like little bitch schoolboy. Have a nice day! NEXT. LOL!!
I don’t understand why anyone would even argue for the bible’s historicity in the first place?!? I used to be a believing Christian and Theist, but it never crossed my mind that the bible could really be taken literally!!
Jeff because if their religion is conclusively proven as factually inaccurate or if it is 100% proven that Jesus didn’t exist, that its all a story/myth - then the entire foundation of their beliefs is gone and then a lot of things will change especially politically. You can’t argue that god/the Bible says marriage is between one and man and one woman if your god/Bible isn’t real. You can’t argue that schools should teach biblical creationism if it’s not real. Of course, regardless of whether it’s real or not, anyone is welcome to continue worshipping/believing/etc but imagine a large group of Hindu followers attempting to argue that the rest of us should follow tenants of their faith, commandments of their god(s) and then lobbying and bringing public officials to enact laws that are rooted in Hinduism that affect everyone or a president appointing a judge who’s Hindu to sway SCOTUS rulings in favor of Hindu related issues... of course we don’t care that Hindus are Hindus or what/that they believe but we would all be absolutely outraged if that were allowed to happen yet Christians do it and get away with it all the time. They argue the historicity bc it’s the foundation of everything they base their lives on and what they want to and sometimes what they do force other people to live under - if it’s all historically false, all of that goes out the window.
That's because it's NOT supposed to be taken literally! And yet, atheists ALWAYS make this mistake! They're almost as bad as the fundamentalists. Holy Koolaid makes this mistake several times in this and the previous video, as well as the other video Trent reacted to.
Jason Thayer of course most Christians don’t take the Bible completely literal. But we are talking about the Exodus! The Exodus is such an important event in the Bible, and is a fundamental part of Christian and Jewish scripture. Take that away and you blow a big whole into its credibility. It’s not some irrelevant details, it’s one of the greatest and most quoted stories in Abrahamic religions
@@jasonthayer1309 I grew up in the “ Not taken literally “ Catholicism of the 70’s. Somehow it managed to imply even The Crucifixion and Ascension into Heaven were metaphors or not to be discussed as actual events, they were Religious Truths. If everything in your Bible is a metaphor, where do you point to to say Christ died for our sins ? Or do you choose which part of the Bible is metaphor & which is literal bases on say the bit that you find plausible.
Once upon a time I earned my BS in Biblical Archaeology. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. JDEP....so many flashbacks to classes. Hearing everything I was taught being dismantled is jarring and yet at the same time a relief to my newly non-theistic soul. These kinds of challenges are good and utterly necessary. You keep doing what you do.
You do realize the true reason why Moses wandered alone in the desert for over 40 years? Because, like most men, he wouldn't ask anyone for directions!
thank you. as an ex-Christian (now atheist), I doubt if I should spend so much time trying to make Christians realise all they believe in is mostly fake.. but your words are motivating. I'm so glad this vid helped you! (I'm not the author, I just do similar stuff.) thank you and good luck, friend ❤🩹there's so much happiness to be discovered now that ancient lies hold us no more!
The so called Holy land, apart from Egypt, has been the most searched archaeologically speaking, so if they haven’t found it by now, it doesn’t exist. There is not one coin from David’s reign, nor clay record tablet, or any neighbouring country’s records are mentioned. Judah was pee poor, and it couldn’t have supported a large enough army and nor did it have the economic support to give it supplies.
Yep...just because someone proclaims to serve God,doesn't mean he serves God...And sticking with Catholisism would not give you the truth,sticking with the bible - would
@@jordanjoy9040 .... You do know that the Bible was a heavily modified document written some 40 years after the events in question by people with a vested interest in keeping anyone from finding out anything untoward about the one they were trying to deify
While there may be some merit to questioning the veracity of the commonly accepted stories in the Bible as historically accurate, this video is pretty terribly argued. The math is atrocious, the logic is full of fallacies, and the main narrative is mocking and bias confirming rather than objective. Keep trying and ya might get there.
@@maniacgm503 Notice how you make no specific claims or disprove anything stated in the video? That's a pretty good sign that you have no idea what you're talking about.
Notice how the bible just says pharaoh but never names which one - the pharaohs were real people and you can actually see the remains of some of them. Surely god would have known which one? If the bible is the infallible word of god, why would it need to be edited? Just saying... What would a Christian need to do to make me believe in god? Simple, get a glass of water and pray that it be turned into wine. “Ask and thou SHALL receive.” I’ll be waiting.
"If the bible is the infallible word of god, why would it need to be edited? Just saying..." *EXACTLY* one point many atheist youtubers kinda gloss over is the problem of cherry picking. The fact people cherry pick exposes that no "perfect" being wrote the bible. An all knowing you might expect, would know slavery is wrong, lol.
@@an8strengthkobold360 I don't think absolute proof is a reasonable standard for accepting a claim. I agree with the OP that verifiable, repeatable miracles done in the name of a deity, but that don't work when attempted for other deities, would increase my confidence.
His arguments are the proof that the Exodus didn't happen, because they are extremely poor as evidence of a huge event that was prolonged for 40 years. Excellent video.
@Randy HUTCHINSON I don't know if you mean the Israelites supposedly coming out of Egypt, but there were 600,000 men plus women and children. It was around 2,000,000 people wondering around the desert for 40 years getting rid of any evidence behind. 🤣
@@matthewheywood8532 1. How? How would wandering through a desert help you build an army? 2. Why? Why would you need to increase your numbers if you started out with some 100.000 able men?
When you look at the average life span of the time these people would have been an army of geriatrics 🤣👏by the time they got to their destination 🤔🤥🙈🙊🙉🤡
i love you man!! i was looking for a content creator that goes into detail about the bible stories and corroborate against scientific evidence i got even luckier when i realized you're funny and i appreciate the fact that you would be thorough in your explanations making sure you cover all possibilities and not disregarding them bc they don't fit your narrative
What was the supposed purpose for God to create mankind in the first place. What's the story before "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. " ? What kind of being creates an entire race of people with the sole purpose of worshiping him? Why? Was this deity bored and wanted something to play with or an egomaniac who needed to be worshiped to feel self important...? Don't get me started on the whole being omniscient thing and still going through with it.
The narrative that was forced on me as a child in the 7th Day Adventist Church is even crazier than "he wanted to be worshiped". Try to swallow this, see if you agree with me on why I was forced to spit it back out: Satan's rebellion, even though it's only first mentioned in the book of Isaiah, was actually the starting point. So, Satan was a bit of a bitch, lead a rebellion, was cast down, yadda yadda. So the narrative goes, God knew he should kill Satan, because Satan was evil. But God also knew all the other angels could in theory think Satan was right if God's response to the rebellion was an execution. So God had an idea: he would create a world with other people in it, and let Satan talk to them as well. He wanted the Earth to basically be his overtly complex "10 reasons Satan is a dickhead" powerpoint presentation, and the whole history of mankind is just serving as an example for the angels of why God is a great guy and why Satan should really be executed in the end of it. The first cracks in my theology when I was somewhere between 12 and 13 were "wait, but if the whole point of humanity existing was to show that sin is bad, why did God create us _without_ sin, and later got angry when Satan convinced Adam and Eve to sin? Wasn't sinning the sole purpose of why he made us?", and it was all a downhill spiral from there. To my knowledge only some protestant sects hold up this narrative; as far as I know, the Catholic church has absolutely no reasoning for why God created mankind, and other protestant sects tend to believe, as you said, that he made us just to worship him, which is the vainest shit I've ever heard. Like, imagine dedicating yourself to study programming with the one and only purpose of writing a code that makes your computer say "Roger Roger, you are sexy and smart and funny, and everyone loves you, I love you Roger Roger!" every 10 seconds... The kind of person who would do _that,_ is the God most people believe in... And, as I pointed out, when they try to make up a narrative for why he made us, it doesn't get any better xD
I really don't have too much problem with a deity creating people for the sole/main purpose to worship him.... it's that he fucked it up so badly! Like you HAD ONE JOB! LOL
He was bored and needed a pet project a new hobby. We’re just like a big board game to him, chess if you will…wait that’s a intelligent board game - scrap that .☺️😉
Even if you successfully part a large sea, it would be impossible to traverse because there would still be several feet of silty mud over its entire surface. Good luck running a mass of people through such a landscape !
not only that, it's not even an impressive feat to part the sea if you assume the one doing it is an omnipotent being. It wouldn't take much energy to do it. Why didn't God just teleport them to their destination. Or rather, why did God send them from a desert region to another desert region? Why didn't he teleport them to Pacific island paradise, if those were his chosen people whom he loved the most? Why did he instead let pagans live on those tropical paradises? At least beam them to Europe where the land is much for fertile and even there he let instead live other pagans. Even if we assume the parting of the sea happened, even if we could have seen it with our very own eyes, how the hell do people make the connection, that this must be an act of the omnipotent creator of the universe. A magical troll or a superman could have done it as easily.
It’s clear that this man’s “education” and further “research” has been funded by religious groups and it won’t continue that way unless he comes up with “answers” that please them.
It actually did both. The idea that the Pharaoh of the bible was any of the pharaohs we know about in Egyptian history to date is just conjecture. It only really stands to reason that a people with no written language experienced these events before Egypt existed as the Pyramid-building megaculture we know about now. The pre-history of the Israel people is older than Egypt.
@@nixboox Egypt proceeded as a powerful state. There was never a period corresponding to the devastation described in Exodus. Matching a Pharaoh in history to the unnamed biblical Pharaoh is post hoc rationalization. There is no solid connection with any of them. The Israelites didn’t exist separately from their Canaanite ancestors before about 1400 BCE. Egypt is much older. Ancient Israelites and modern Lebanese are Canaanites www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/the-canaanites-werent-annihilated-they-just-moved-to-lebanon/amp/
I've heard of these Habiru. My understanding is that their only connection to the Hebrews is, they have a similar name. The connection is purely speculative but I don't see why it matters anyway. And, I'm not even saying there absolutely was no exodus. I don't think there's enough evidence and if there was one, the huge migration described in the Bible seems unlikely. There's one thing I know though., If we were able to go back in time and meet these ancient Hebrews, the things they believed back then would seem very strange to most. They were probably polytheist at this time for one thing. But even during say, the second temple period, the 12 tribes seemed to believe very different things from each other and from our modern expectations. The reason this is important is because, it's supposed to be a religion. It's supposed to be the revealed word of the one true god. But when we look into it it seems to have evolved out of a typical pagan pantheon of gods. When we go back far enough, the Hebrew and Canaanite, culture religion and language merge. The Hebrews used to be Canaanite. And Yahweh was a Canaanite god. Yahweh had a wife. Or may have. I don't want to make definite claims but we know her name. Ashera. So obviously, whatever the case, what they believed back then was extremely different from what the jews or Christians believe now.
I would agree with nearly all of that initial comment, except the claim that "Yahweh was a Canaanite god". I don't believe the evidence shows that to the case, but more that Yahweh was a conflation of the Canaanite gods El and Baal along with some attributes of the Babylonian God Marduk. But yes, the proto-isrealites were most certainly Canaanite in origin as Hebrew is a Canaanite dialect. The exodus story almost certainly didn't happen, at least in the manner that the Torah describes. There are several earmarks of the story that were "borrowed" from surrounding cultures. The scholarship done on this fascinating.
Reading Israel Finkelstein books , from pre exile Israel & Judah we have no archeology for the first temple, the northern temple or the high places but we do have lots of figures that have been interpreted as Ashera. Maybe the Bible wasn’t reporting on that time accurately either.
@@nonprogrediestregredi1711 You might be right. I don't want to sound like any kind of expert because I'm not but my understanding is that those were all Canaanite gods. El was like Zeus. The king god. Baal was another and Yahweh was their war god. But so much of what we know from that time is fragmentary anyway. And they're always discovering new things that change what the most prominent thinking is. So I don't want to sound contrary but I do remember reading that somewhere. Where, I couldn't tell you.
This was so well researched and presented, educational and entertaining. And I liked how you balanced the respect and deserved slight mockery in your gags. I'm in the camp that mockery does have its place in such discussions, but it's easy to go too far, but I think you did a great job.
I was slow to warm to your channel but am glad that I kept going as I love your content. I'd donate to your patreon but I'm a tour guide so you can imagine what my financial prospects are in the current global climate. Keep up the good work and if you're ever in NYC and want a free tour hit me up.
I have just found your programs. I think this is the 4th one I've watched and they are very interesting. I'm in my seventies and been an atheist for probably about 30 years but really I'm just now coming out about it. Watching nothing fails like bible history reminded me about a very old joke. Why did it take Moses 40 years of wandering in the desert? He would not stop and ask for directions. Like I said a very old joke but I do enjoy your programming very much. So thank you for what you do
....And the silver medal for mental gymnastics goes to.... Trent Horn... of course, lol. And wasn't the Council of Nicea in Rome when the Bible was compiled and canonized?
That Council only voted on the nature of god being a 'Triune' god, thus establishing the *Trinity* doctrine, as opposed to the idea that god was a single god with a son called 'Jesus'. The actual negotiation and voting by the Bishops as to what books were " inspired ", was done over a series of Councils such as the Councils of Carthage and Hippo and Laodocia in the late 300's.
The council of Nicea was was done to end the brewing religious civil war that was developing. Nicea itself is in modern day turkey during the reign of the roman emperors.3rd century if i can recall from sleepy brain.
Those councils canonized the New Testament. The Old Testament was canonized for the Catholics at the Council of Trent in the 16th century. (The Protestants don't accept that and mostly follow the smaller Jewish canon, which is probably from even earlier.) But all of these are debates about which already-written books (and chapters thereof) to accept as canonical. Nobody is editing the text of the books at this time.
Yes, in 1542 and the council lasted for over 30 years, they debugged the "Vulgata bible" that had over 900 books, and they established that all the books left out we're "anathema" or false, and the church left it as it is, even with all the mistakes that we know...
Because I am pretty sure it's wrong. Don't get me wrong, I am an atheist and really liked this video, but the mention of camels in the Bible being anachronistic is probably not true. The research made in 2013 by Tel-Aviv university should, logically, only indicate that one humped dromedary camels weren't domesticated in the region, not that no camels were domesticated. We have evidence that Bactrian camels were in Sumer, and since Abraham was from Sumer, it's not unlikely that he, if he existed, would have brought camels from Sumer, or that the Midianite nomads would have had camels. It's even said there is a petroglyph of camels in Aswan, Egypt dating to Sixth Dynasty.
I think you should do more videos on the evangelical movement. Also on Kenneth Copeland and all these Uber rich evangelicals that goes directly against their own bible. Loved the other videos like that. Thanks
Thank you for doing this. You said what I was thinking. The difference is, you are searching for the truth and he is searching for evidence for the Bible. Completely different things.
Blown away by the content of this video! Amazing work! Koolaid, Rationality Rules, Cosmic Skeptic, and Genetically modified skeptic are the 4 horsemen of my generation.
Really like these response style videos. Hearing both sides of an argument back and forth in 'real time' like this is very helpful to those of us still struggling to deconstruct. Thank you!
Gregory of Nyssa, honoured as a "Father of the Church by both Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox, did not accept the historicity of the ten plagues because to do so put God in a bad light. He and other Christian intellectuals followed Origen, another early Christian writer and thinker, who wrote "We should not interpret a passage of scripture literally when doing so requires that we ascribe to God what we would hesitate to ascribe to the most sinful and vicious of human beings." Perhaps this was why Gregory was among the first people in recorded history to oppose slavery as intrinsically evil. It seems that apologists should take another look at this ancient Christian approach towards scripture.
The story of Moses proves how gods are created. Moses goes into the mountain alone, carves the commandments himself, then returns to find a new calf god. The people created a god, Mosis created a god. gods are created by man. All these stories are created. If an actual god carved the commandments out of the living rock for me to bring back to my people, the very last thing I would do with those carvings is destroy them is in a temper tantrum. You'd think something like that would go right into the pool room.
There are actually only two approaches to the Bible: 1. It is literal and it means what it says it means. 2. It is not literal and it means whatever people wants it to mean, according to their particular sect, cult or religion. There's no third option "oh, this is literal, but this right here is not".
Powerful archeological and historical evidence that Zeus exists: - Ancient Greek chronographers calculated the exact date of the Trojan War. And lo and behold, in 19th century, archeologists discovered Troy and found out it was actually burned at that time. There's no way those chronographers could have known about this in advance! - Homer mentions many existing places, including e.g. cities of Greek kings where royal palaces really were excavated by archeologists and dated to the time of the Trojan War (e.g. Mycene, Pylos, Tiryns). This is supported by contemporary accounts, e.g. many Hittite documents mention the land of Achijawa to the West of their kingdom, the correct location of the Achaeans from the Illiad, or a contemporary Luwian inscription mentions Wilusa (Ilion) with the same epithet that Homer uses! - Homer correctly descibes technology and culture of the time when the Trojan War took place, even though it was very different in his own time. For example, warriors in the Illiad only use bronze weapons even though iron weapons were used in Homer's own time. He describes warriors riding charriots to battle even though charrots were not used in his own time. But archeologists really did discover charriots in Greece from the time of the Trojan War - Demographic composition of the Greek army correctly maps to demographic composition of Greece at the time when the Trojan War took place and not at the time when Homer himself lived. This is significant because demography of Greece was changed dramatically between those two periods. For example, Homer doesn't mention settlements which existed in his own time but didn't exist at the time of the Trojan War, doesn't mention the Dorian invasion, doesn't mention the Ionian colonization of Asia Minor etc. Based on this and other pieces of evidence, we can clearly establish historical reliablity of the Homeric epics. And they clearly depict Zeus, Hera, Apollo, Aphrodite, Iris and other gods interacting with humans, including in battles where they were seen by multiple eyewitnesses at the same time, which means we can rule out hallucinations as an explanation (because hallucinations are never shared between multiple people). The Homeric epics also explicitely claim to be divinely inspired. We know the Greeks were pious and fearful of the gods and therefore would never lie about this, if only to avoid angering the gods. We can also establish that Homer was not a lunatic because mentally ill people do not compose thousands and thousands of lines of poetry in dactylic hexameter. Therefore, the best explanation of the available evidence is the existence of Zeus, the son of Kronos, the father of the gods.
Yep. Besides, unlike middle Eastern deities, Greek deities don't have purely and plainly illogical powers and behaviors. Sure, we didn't find anything on Mount Olympus, but there's nothing preventing the Greek Gods from moving elsewhere once their worship had been abandoned by the Greeks and Romans. Even more so: the Greek cosmogony doesn't pretend divine creation of the Universe, but rather, the emergence of an orderly Universe from a "chasm" of primordial chaos. While the imagery is off, it does sounds an awful like a singularity expanding and structuring matter and energy during the Big Bang. So yeah, Greek theology holds up infinitely better than Judeochristian theology. It's logically sound, it can't be scientifically or mathematically disproven, and Greek believers actually made inspired predictions that were suspiciously accurate 😉: The Atomists come to mind, as they predicted the Atoms _and_ Epicurus even suspected random scatter of the primordial elements, which could be interpretated as an early intuition of quantum mechanics. What science did Yahweh ever inspired or helped predict? Nothing. I'm still Atheist though, but I recognise that Greek Gods are more realistic and plausible than the monotheist Gods, whose existences are simply impossible given their would-be traits.
@@lucofparis4819 Exactly. The gods are personal, passionate and relatable beings, just like we are. Not a dead idol existing outside space and time, never having any original thought, forever locked into inaction by its own eternal decrees
There is more evidence that camels originated from North America than there was an exodus from Egypt by 2 million Jews. Btw...did you know that it appears camels originated in North America/Siberia?
@S Gloobal no, it's cause there is none. Bible is made up, only someone easily dupped or willing to "believe on faith" would think other wise with no actual evidence.
@S Gloobal pointing to one accurate claim the bible makes does not make the rest of the bible defecto true. For Instance, they were never slaves in egypt with a population of over 2 million. And there was never an exodus FROM Egypt. Nor where there ANY mass killings of Hebrew infants IN egypt.
The only real question is this: *Is Trent Horn deeply dishonest, or is he just monumentally stupid?* Given the time and effort spent on his videos, and their production quality ... I'm leaning heavily towards Trent Horn being deeply dishonest. I seriously doubt that he isn't aware of the obvious flaws in his own claims and reasoning. He knows that he's wrong, but he gambling that his Chrsitian audience just don't care and that all they want to hear is someone affirming their own beliefs.
It seems mostly like confirmation bias on Steroids... he takes whatever he can find that MIGHT support his theories and claims it as MUST BE TRUE bits. Yes, that is at least slightly dishonest, but it's a very human stance towards information and he might not be aware of what he does.
Dear Holy Koolaid, Keep up the good work. You are a wonderful channel. You do such great work. People rely on you and what you are doing to find truth. Thank you, and hang in there.
Why would the Egyptians use the term Semitic? That comes from the idea that Hebrews were descended from Noah's son Shem and the Egyptians didn't believe that story.
Another believer starting with the conclusion and performing mental gymnastics to mold the "evidence" into confirmation. And also unsurprisingly, misrepresenting the opposing argument a bit.
Did he consider the possibility that his brothers sold Joseph on a discount since they weren't trying to make a profit, they were just trying to get rid of their annoying brother without killing him? Hell, it would even fit thematically, since the entire story was about how his brothers didn't properly understand Joseph's value.
Let's do the math. The 2.5 million Israelites were camped in the desert and hungry. That camp would have to be about 12 Sq. miles. God sent "quail," (very poor fliers) _from the sea_ into the area to feed the hungry exodites. The quail covered the ground two cubits deep for "a day's journey" around the camp. A day's journey is at least 25 miles. Two cubits is at least 3 feet. So out from the 12 sq. mile camp for 25 miles in every direction were dead quail stacked 3 ft. deep. How many quail? I don't know but it's easily hundreds of billions! Talk about overkill!
As a former christian myself, who always struggled with the scientific contradictions of the faith, I enjoy and appreciate your videos. For what it's worth, I think they would be better without the sarcasm, for instance the picture of the failed hurdle jumper. While those who already share your views probably appreciate it for the most part, those who oppose your views, but may have some openness to listen, may be turned off. Good luck with the channel.
Two options, scientists believe in facts, where as the bible is the word of god, believed as fact. Without evidence you don't have fact. Egypt has a lot of evidence set in stone, the bible has been rewritten many times.
I really love this series! I'm looking forward for future videos about the historical reliability of the Gospels and Epistles of Paul. You know, like what Bart Ehrman and Robert Price are studying about.
Read misquoting Jesus. They aren’t historically reliable at all. They are copies of forgeries or word of mouth. Written by people who weren’t eye witness.
I adore studying body language. When he talks about Joseph being sold into slavery, he keeps swallowing and touching his face and hair. Once could be just a scratch, but he does it _every single time he talks about the price and says the word sheckels_ Those are signs of stress that typically indicate lying or doubt in what the person is saying.
The Bible isn't a scientific book and reflects traditions transmitted orally. It is not historically reliable and the events might have occurred quite differently from the original text. Numbers in Antiquity were quite inflated because people were 'only guessing numbers': look at the 1 million Persians against 300 Spartans? 1 million? There were never resources for 1 million Persians in Greece as shown by Prof. Green. You also need an episode on 'Exodus decoded' by Cameron. Accuracy when science was at infancy, no way!
lmao I could barely focus on the clip with the conversation between the egyptologist and assyriologist because of how awkward the guy looked. the constant nodding, the facial expressions- 😂
"This stone talks about how a Pharaoh slaughtered to the point of annihilation a tribe called 'Israel', so this is proof that Israel destroyed Egypt's army and went on to conquer their colonies" Excuse me, wat?
Thomas, If you see this comment, I've loved your content for years and have learnt a lot from your channel. Would you be able to do a video or series on the historicity of King David and the empire that followed?
Its easy to debunk the Exodus. Just check Egyptian records. Just go online and order or read the groundbreaking book, "Egypt knew neither pharaoh nor Moses." a Kindle book by Ezzat Ashaf
@@mrandersong1 in order to confirm this, you must investigate and listen to historians that ARE NOT Jewish or christian. that way they are not biased. But new teachings are arising, as more expert historians are growing up learning and being educated WITHOUT THE college institution biases AND seeing the facts and archaeology for themselves. A lot of Asian and Chinese archaeologists and historians are more apt to be accurate and forthcoming into what they really think the evidence says. But western civilization , EVEN THE ATHEISTS, have been indoctrinated, by CHRISTIAN TRADITONALISM in their History and archaeology learnings at colleges. and some don't even realize it. read the Kindle book of Ezzat Ashaf. HE GIVES REFERENCES to his sources.
@@lukeyznaga7627 Thanks. There’s a lot more wrong with the Bible than just the exodus but I will check this out. Have you read the skeptics annotated Bible? Points out the ludicrous bullshit in the Bible.
@@mrandersong1 I have. its great. When I first left christianity, I had good reasons and my "awareness" and knowledge grew in small amounts. but like a small hole in a damn where water starts getting, out WITH THE INTERNET access to knowledge, that trickle has become a flood. Skeptics bible helped. But so did listening to Christopher Hitchens. And reading Bart Ehremann's books. When I "look back" on what I used to believe and what the bible teaches, I realize the full extent of the dangerous lies and misinformation me and others had believed..FOR SO LONG. But its deeper. Due to the "marketing" of the Catholic church and organized religions, our higher learning places have really had wrong approaches to history, archaeology and looking for solutions to mankind's problems, even the problems of the poor. Its a tragedy. Closed thinking and beliefs in lies and false promises like the bible, hurt people and culture. I even believe that is what led us to slaughter millions of native americans.
@@lukeyznaga7627 Yes, it disrupts evolution and man taking responsibility for the issues facing humanity. I read Bart ehrmans books too and they’re phenomenal. Especially Jesus interrupted. I had no idea the gospels were written so long after the fact and they weren’t eye witness. I believed for a long time but couldn’t find confirmation in any source and especially in what we call reality. At the same time life is hard, meaningless, and doesn’t make sense without a God. Hitches is good, I like Adam Harris and Dawkins a lot.
When you said Horn is a "Catholic Apologist" I didn't realise that was a real thing. Why do they need people to "defend" their faith if God is all-powerful?
Using the same methodology as the apologists use to "prove" biblical "truth" - references to provably historical people, places, and events - one could make the argument that Abraham Lincoln spent a good portion of his life driving stakes into the hearts of a cabal of Southern vampires. What a guy!
Press F to doubt. Habiru ('Apiru) may sound/look a little like the word Hebrew, but no, that's not how it works. Everything Trent uses as 'evidence' is supposition, at best.
We all know that most of the bible was fairy tales created by very old people, but I'd like to point out that at least this apologist doesn't call atheists dumb or brainwashed, something for a change lol
There's one contradiction in the Exodus story that jabs me in the face every time and I don't know why people don't mention it. The fifth plague that God inflicts on Egypt kills all of their horses, yet as the Hebrews escape, the Egyptian army chases them on chariots pulled by horses which are not dead.
wow never thought of that, good one!
Damn, good catch!
Well the kings of Egypt can easily buy hundreds of horses from their neighboring states easily
@@Avzigoyhbasilsikos What neighboring states? You think ancient Ethiopia had gobs of horses for sale? And you think they could overnight ship them?
God created thousands of horses from Nile clay overnight so that he could set up the Egyptian army for the big finale! I think I read that on the Memeptah Stele.
Koolaid vs Trent, this is the kind of youtube "drama" i like, since the topic is interesting and you can actually learn something from it.
@Lee Shackelford not really, i learned from this video that the word hebrew originally meant outcast/marginalized people for example, but of course, considering it was an apologist saying that i need to look it up more
@Lee Shackelford apologists, politicians, and marketing people, they literally depend their livelihood on spewing bs
@S Gloobal i don't know and i'm not afraid to admit it, unlike you people who make things up
@Droolbal It can't be god because Genesis says the water of the depths prexisted god's creations, therefore if Genesis is true the universe already existed to contain water. There other reasons, but this one is in your 'inerrant book' so why do you think it's god? Did somebody tell you different and you're too stoopid to notice the contradiction?
Genesis is BS of course because water cannot exist without hydrogen and oxygen; oxygen forms in stars and apparently stars don't exist in the timeline yet; of course, the water doesn't actually exist either so there's a demonstrable foundational lie starting at 1:2. There's no way out of this problem, all it leaves is a creation fable made up by ignorant bronze age savages.
manusiabumi you actually believe that atheist apologists (the term goes both ways) aren’t biased in any way too? loool
I suffer PTSD from some of the religious trauma I’ve been through, these videos are kind-of a lifesaver sometimes when I start into flashbacks of the brimstone and fire boarding school. I love a good history lesson. Thank you so much for putting so much work into these educational videos.
glad your hanging in there. Peace.
@@night6724 You obviously wasn't sent to a convent school. With "caring " nuns. Like my poor grandmother.
@@night6724 atheists are always going to war? palestine, ireland, even the stupidity of the good ol' USA, all religious conflicts, along with the dozens i haven't mentioned. religion does enormous damage to individuals and whole societies. try some reading one day.
I emphasise with you cvestick. I spent 4 months of this year in a Christian centre. Which was run by Pentecostal Christians. Getting told day after day that I would go to Hell if I didn’t turn to Jesus. Even that done me some damage mentally. Therefore I have an idea of how mentally damaging religion can be first hand.
As for “atheism has done more damage than religion”. That person obviously has no idea about history. Every war throughout the ages has been fuelled by religion in some shape or form, religion may not be the driving factor behind them all, however it’s always present to some capacity. Also there are some wars which have been solely about religion. That’s just the start of the damage religion has caused through the ages. Also if you read The Bible it is littered with horrific bloodshed and killings “in the name of God”.
Preachers today boast about being merciful by not taking the “preaching fire and brimstone” route.
Just be honest : it’s not going to sell
When the archaeological dept of Tel Aviv University ( surely having a vested interest in finding the opposite) say no evidence for Exodus that pretty much seals the deal.
It should seel the deal, but sadly to no avail it did not.
Evolution is BS = *I do not understand Cause it's way to complicated for me.*
Anyone who Rebutts *Evolution is BS* = Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
@Eugene Oisten I'm with you on that. I'm not sure what he is trying to say.
@Luka Merkviladze "
i would like you guys to try and explain that ;)"
Explain what? Unfounded assertions by a dilletante Creation cretin that does not even bother to give the useless shady Bible Humper Citations for Ken Ham or the Discotute that have come up with this unscientific nonsense? There IS nothing to debunk or explain, you have offered nothing but a nice fanfiction of the type of pseudoscience wanting to look like it can compete with biology but has zero credibility or actual scientific clout. And you could not even format it in a way not creating pseudo URls, making you look like a clueless schmuck regardless of anything else.
Evolution is based on a mountain of solid, reliable evidence, gathered by believers and unbelievers alike over centuries and well documented. It can be studied at universities and confirmed in real life. Doubt against evolution is a bad joke and generally on the level of quality your post exhibits. Just curl up and cry until you can cope with reality. It's healthier than this vain and ineffective attempt at convincing others of your degree of denial.
Luka Merkviladze Every creature is a transition from what came before to what will come after, even if by only tiny amounts at a time. Are you exactly like your parents or their parents? Of course not. Now all you need to do is throw in time into the equation, vast amounts of it. Sadly it seems to skip over some...
One would think if Yahweh wanted there to be evidence, there would be.
^^^ THIS! ^^^
As a dad, I must say that I wouldn't want my kids to be ignorant of my presence..
But that would defeat the purpuse of hoping something is true.
Because the bible defines faith as hoping for thing's that are not seen or biased on evidence.
It’s almost as if there was a time when God made his presence clear to us and yet we still rejected him. There is no evidence that evidence will make you love God.
@Lorenza Semaj McCoy Jr. Yea that's kinda the point as such it's not a good reason to believe.
Which is why I don't understand when Christian's say evidence based faith.
If that guy is a “good” apologists, I’d hate to see a bad one
My favorite was the "PHD" Creationist who tried to explain dinosaur eggs laid in even rows of 2 were a process of it fleeing the Flood.
He Won The Golden Crocaduck award for Stupidy.
He's presentable and doesn't /sound/ nutty.
Matt, you are on TH-cam, you see barely anything BUT bad apologists on here. I would suggest working your way through a channel like "Modern Day debate" where they invite all sorts of apologists to "discuss" their favorite area of denial and pseudoscientific skepticism of real science ;-)
Oh boy. Ken ham and kent hovind are just terrible
Kent Hovind would like to know your location
It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Trent's salary literally depends upon believing, or pretending to believe, that these biblical myths are true and historical.
The argument works both ways. Plenty of debunkers do it strictly for the income, too.
@@thegreatgazoo2334 I believe he's not saying they're all liars for money. I believe he's just saying that it's futile to make response videos because even if you click something in their head, they'll be fired if they admit it. So what's the point?
@@thegreatgazoo2334 Atheists dont make a shit lol theres no money in denying god in this matrix
@@thegreatgazoo2334but can u seriously blame the debunkers when there are , boat loads & days worth of content out here of people describing the inconsistencies within this book and religion
I can prove Bible being wrong much faster: snakes can't talk. There, I did it for you.
Żółć Don’t forget bushes and donkeys can’t talk like Loony Tunes characters either.
deadend
Are snakes serpents?
The serpent, or *snake*, is one of the oldest and most widespread mythological symbols. The word is derived from Latin serpens, a crawling animal or snake. Snakes have been associated with some of the oldest rituals known to mankind and represent dual expression of good and evil.
Snake. Snake, (suborder Serpentes), also called serpent, any of more than 3,400 species of reptiles distinguished by their limbless condition and greatly elongated body and tail.
Synonyms for serpent
snake
viper
basilisk
dragon
ophidian
נחש Nāḥāš, Hebrew for "snake", is also associated with divination, including the verb form meaning "to practice divination or fortune-telling”.
Tl;Dr: A serpent is a snake.
deadend It obviously went over your head so you went directly to trying to be a smartass.
“...not going to get you anywhere with a studied debate opponent.” 😂
“serpent not snake..” I refuted you (with evidence) in ONE comment genius (and I use the term with ALL the sarcasm I can).
@deadend what about talking donkeys? Living inside fish for three days? Stopping sun? Walking on water? There is a lot more bullshit in this book. All fake.
deadend I was debunking a simple comment you made. And you obviously aren’t “studied” as you insist you are as you wouldn’t have made the “serpent not snake” comment in the first place.
I just find it humorous how an all knowing, loving invisible deity, cares so much about us and wants us to believe so much that he provided no real evidence and demands that we believe on faith only, and if we don't then we are going to spend eternity in torment. Oh yeah, and he needs our money and is really interested in our sex lives. The bible is so easy to pick apart once you start reading it. I have studied and read the bible, its why I am an atheist.
To quote Isaac Asimov- "the bible is the most potent force for atheism ever created"
Plus the fact that noone can control what they truly believe, or not. That means that this so called god would send people to this supposed hell for something beyond their control. Thiests will disagree and attempt to claim that belief can be controlled, but it is not true. People cannot choose to truly believe something that they know is impossible. I always tell them to choose to believe they can fly, jump off the roof of their house, then let me know how it worked out.
If you studied the Bible, you should be aware of the many times when God made his presence absolutely clear to us and even then we were unfaithful. There is no evidence that evidence will make you love God.
@@killianmiller6107 Delusion is a powerful force
Jesus said God knew His sheep, but in Exodus, God can't tell a Hebrew from an Egyptian and makes them put blood on their doors to differentiate them. Even in the Ten Commandments movie, at least two Egyptians live through it because they were in houses with bloody doors. You'd think God wouldn't be so dumb as to be tricked like that.
Ironically, the Israelites/Hebrews apparently weren't even monotheists at the supposed time of the Exodus. And interestingly, Habiru and Hebrew only sound similar in English. Not in Egyptian and Hebrew languages and they actually mean different things.
Well, but as the English are actually a lost tribe of Israel, as are native Americans, it all makes sense, because there's evidence Moses actually spoke what was almost identical to a southern American English accent :-D. It all adds up now.
The Bible even bears evidence of their pre-monotheistic religion. Some mentions of God use a plural pronoun. God's name or epithet was "El," and certain Hebrew/Israelites are ordered to cut down their "Asherah poles." If I'm not mistaken, that leads to the Ugaritic pantheon.
@@alexanderfo3886 Are you saying Cecil B. DeMille was a liar?
@@oliverlaw02 I'm not saying he's a liar. I'm just saying that this fits in perfectly in a theory called "British Israelism" (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Israelism) which, for its part, has been debunked for a long time now but whose remnants still seem to reappear regularly within the circles of religious wingnuts of English mother tongue.
In Genesis 1:1 and elsewhere , the creator is Elohim, a plural form, although it rarely takes a plural verb, from which I infer that the meaning of the word was changing from plural to singular.
Claiming that the Exodus story is true because we have some ancient mentions of Israel is like claiming the river god Tiberinus is real because we have the Colosseum.
(Tiberinus, for those who aren't aware, is the god/father of the Tiber river where Romulus and Remus (supposed founders of Rome) were left to die before being given to a she-wolf to nurse)
Luka Merkviladze yeah you obviously have studied the subject thoroughly lol “That’s Sarcasm you can taste btw”
You Ask For Evidence Then When You Get It You Deny It, And Then You Wonder Why People Hate You.
@@abigailslade3824 Zeus be with you!
This apologist is putting stuff into this that he knows does not even relate to the story he is trying to sell. It is that kind of dishonesty that caused me to write off all religious apologists. There is little point in dealing with someone who will just make shit up.
The point, of course, is not trying to educate the apologist but to reach his/her audience where some are sitting on the belief fence.
Apparently, Moses didn't know which Pharaoh he was dealing with and doing magic tricks for and making threats against. Odd, eh?
@S Gloobal Honestly I got to know. What is your obsession with coming under Athiest videos and trying to spread the same crappy arguments? You litteraly come under tons of these types of videos and share links to the same pathetic apologetics garbage. It's weird and it's starting to become an obsession of yours. Honestly I would recommend seeking professional help. And I'm not being mean at all. Your obsession is not natural at all and there might be some deep rooted mental issues you are dealing with. Please don't take this as an insult. I'm seriously concerned for your mental health at this point.
@S Gloobal the evidence isn't particularly valid or convincing, that is part of why your obsession is concerning.
@S Gloobal I'm sure if you squint real hard that looks like good evidence, but finding things that could possibly be related to bible stories is just speculation. Take the "evidence" for Joseph in Egypt- they find an "Egyptian tomb painting depicting a caravan of Asiatics, very much like Jacob and his family, entering Egypt.." then the rest is just trying desperately to match up locations in Egypt with bible stories, it's just not compelling or convincing in any way. Maybe if you already believe the story you might look at this and say "wow, look at that, maybe that's the place where this happened" but to anyone who hasn't already convinced it's true, this is about as convincing as those "Ancient Aliens" TV shows.
@S Gloobal a statue of unknown origin.. Must be Hebrews! A coat of different colors, wow, must be Joseph! 🤦♂️this is not how archeology works, you don't start with a conclusion, then go looking for anything which vaguely fits your narrative. Believe what you want, but you will convince nobody with that lame conspiracy theory style investigation, it's speculation dressed up as evidence made for people who won't question it.
@S Gloobal I wasn't insulting you. I'm honestly concerned at this point. For months now I can see you under these types of videos trying debate everyone with the same arguments and same apologetics websites. It's concerning. It's becoming an obsession of yours. Behavior like that isn't normal.
I see apologists, especially Creationists, constantly shooting themselves in the foot, and essentially disproving their own arguments. The best one I've seen was Eric Hovind dismissing a scientific study once by saying the words, "Just because it's been written down doesn't mean it's true." Which means that any arguments for the bible being accurate in any way can be dismissed *because* it was *written down* ... Way to go Eric H!
Except that, “that which is written down” can be examined over its claims. And that is where you fail. Suddenly any arguments for the Bible get smacked across your face like little bitch schoolboy. Have a nice day!
NEXT.
LOL!!
I don’t understand why anyone would even argue for the bible’s historicity in the first place?!? I used to be a believing Christian and Theist, but it never crossed my mind that the bible could really be taken literally!!
Jeff because if their religion is conclusively proven as factually inaccurate or if it is 100% proven that Jesus didn’t exist, that its all a story/myth - then the entire foundation of their beliefs is gone and then a lot of things will change especially politically. You can’t argue that god/the Bible says marriage is between one and man and one woman if your god/Bible isn’t real. You can’t argue that schools should teach biblical creationism if it’s not real. Of course, regardless of whether it’s real or not, anyone is welcome to continue worshipping/believing/etc but imagine a large group of Hindu followers attempting to argue that the rest of us should follow tenants of their faith, commandments of their god(s) and then lobbying and bringing public officials to enact laws that are rooted in Hinduism that affect everyone or a president appointing a judge who’s Hindu to sway SCOTUS rulings in favor of Hindu related issues... of course we don’t care that Hindus are Hindus or what/that they believe but we would all be absolutely outraged if that were allowed to happen yet Christians do it and get away with it all the time. They argue the historicity bc it’s the foundation of everything they base their lives on and what they want to and sometimes what they do force other people to live under - if it’s all historically false, all of that goes out the window.
El Chulito GA long text, but very insightful!! true story!!
That's because it's NOT supposed to be taken literally! And yet, atheists ALWAYS make this mistake! They're almost as bad as the fundamentalists. Holy Koolaid makes this mistake several times in this and the previous video, as well as the other video Trent reacted to.
Jason Thayer of course most Christians don’t take the Bible completely literal. But we are talking about the Exodus! The Exodus is such an important event in the Bible, and is a fundamental part of Christian and Jewish scripture. Take that away and you blow a big whole into its credibility. It’s not some irrelevant details, it’s one of the greatest and most quoted stories in Abrahamic religions
@@jasonthayer1309 I grew up in the “ Not taken literally “ Catholicism of the 70’s. Somehow it managed to imply even The Crucifixion and Ascension into Heaven were metaphors or not to be discussed as actual events, they were Religious Truths. If everything in your Bible is a metaphor, where do you point to to say Christ died for our sins ? Or do you choose which part of the Bible is metaphor & which is literal bases on say the bit that you find plausible.
Once upon a time I earned my BS in Biblical Archaeology. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. JDEP....so many flashbacks to classes. Hearing everything I was taught being dismantled is jarring and yet at the same time a relief to my newly non-theistic soul. These kinds of challenges are good and utterly necessary. You keep doing what you do.
You do realize the true reason why Moses wandered alone in the desert for over 40 years? Because, like most men, he wouldn't ask anyone for directions!
You need to understand the concept of preponderance. It isn't close. You can do better. Stop and think!
thank you. as an ex-Christian (now atheist), I doubt if I should spend so much time trying to make Christians realise all they believe in is mostly fake.. but your words are motivating. I'm so glad this vid helped you! (I'm not the author, I just do similar stuff.) thank you and good luck, friend ❤🩹there's so much happiness to be discovered now that ancient lies hold us no more!
The so called Holy land, apart from Egypt, has been the most searched archaeologically speaking, so if they haven’t found it by now, it doesn’t exist. There is not one coin from David’s reign, nor clay record tablet, or any neighbouring country’s records are mentioned. Judah was pee poor, and it couldn’t have supported a large enough army and nor did it have the economic support to give it supplies.
Just cause you have catholic answers doesn't mean you have the right answers. BOOM mic drop. Well written mate
Yep...just because someone proclaims to serve God,doesn't mean he serves God...And sticking with Catholisism would not give you the truth,sticking with the bible - would
@@jordanjoy9040 .... You do know that the Bible was a heavily modified document written some 40 years after the events in question by people with a vested interest in keeping anyone from finding out anything untoward about the one they were trying to deify
While there may be some merit to questioning the veracity of the commonly accepted stories in the Bible as historically accurate, this video is pretty terribly argued. The math is atrocious, the logic is full of fallacies, and the main narrative is mocking and bias confirming rather than objective. Keep trying and ya might get there.
@@maniacgm503 Notice how you make no specific claims or disprove anything stated in the video? That's a pretty good sign that you have no idea what you're talking about.
@@maniacgm503 lol. Keep your wishful thinking to yourself. If the Bible were accurate, there would be no debates about it.
Your videos are so well researched! They need so much more recognition :)
R u blind?!
@@bluellamaslearnbeyondthele2456 are you deaf
this guy is a hero
Notice how the bible just says pharaoh but never names which one - the pharaohs were real people and you can actually see the remains of some of them. Surely god would have known which one?
If the bible is the infallible word of god, why would it need to be edited? Just saying...
What would a Christian need to do to make me believe in god? Simple, get a glass of water and pray that it be turned into wine. “Ask and thou SHALL receive.” I’ll be waiting.
To be fair that would require them to prove that god caused it.
"If the bible is the infallible word of god, why would it need to be edited? Just saying..." *EXACTLY* one point many atheist youtubers kinda gloss over is the problem of cherry picking. The fact people cherry pick exposes that no "perfect" being wrote the bible. An all knowing you might expect, would know slavery is wrong, lol.
@Larry Cavalli Really, cause those are way more important rape and slavery being wrong, lol.
@Larry Cavalli
The rabbi doesn't approve of me eating cheeseburgers.. 🍔
How about a turkey and Swiss on rye?
A bird ain't a goat or a cow...lol
@@an8strengthkobold360 I don't think absolute proof is a reasonable standard for accepting a claim. I agree with the OP that verifiable, repeatable miracles done in the name of a deity, but that don't work when attempted for other deities, would increase my confidence.
I love your quality of energy, research and personality! Keep posting mate!
This series has been the best!
His arguments are the proof that the Exodus didn't happen, because they are extremely poor as evidence of a huge event that was prolonged for 40 years.
Excellent video.
@Randy HUTCHINSON I don't know if you mean the Israelites supposedly coming out of Egypt, but there were 600,000 men plus women and children. It was around 2,000,000 people wondering around the desert for 40 years getting rid of any evidence behind. 🤣
Enough time to circle the earth at least 17 times.
The most logical reason for the 40 years is it took that long for them to get big enough and have enough troops to invade caanan
@@matthewheywood8532
1. How? How would wandering through a desert help you build an army?
2. Why? Why would you need to increase your numbers if you started out with some 100.000 able men?
When you look at the average life span of the time these people would have been an army of geriatrics 🤣👏by the time they got to their destination 🤔🤥🙈🙊🙉🤡
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If the Exodus actually happened as depicted in the Bible, we would be tripping over all the archeological evidence, not grasping at straws.
Please don't delay your "nothing fails like bible historry" videos. These are great as are all your other videos
Am I the only one who thinks the claim in Exodus that Moses parted the Red Sea casts serious doubt on it's historical accuracy?
I love the way you are sitting in the cartoon, respectfully listening to him. That's cute. I appreciate the info too.
i love you man!!
i was looking for a content creator that goes into detail about the bible stories and corroborate against scientific evidence i got even luckier when i realized you're funny and i appreciate the fact that you would be thorough in your explanations making sure you cover all possibilities and not disregarding them bc they don't fit your narrative
What was the supposed purpose for God to create mankind in the first place. What's the story before "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. " ? What kind of being creates an entire race of people with the sole purpose of worshiping him? Why? Was this deity bored and wanted something to play with or an egomaniac who needed to be worshiped to feel self important...? Don't get me started on the whole being omniscient thing and still going through with it.
i think about this all the time. like wtf. lol
The narrative that was forced on me as a child in the 7th Day Adventist Church is even crazier than "he wanted to be worshiped".
Try to swallow this, see if you agree with me on why I was forced to spit it back out:
Satan's rebellion, even though it's only first mentioned in the book of Isaiah, was actually the starting point. So, Satan was a bit of a bitch, lead a rebellion, was cast down, yadda yadda.
So the narrative goes, God knew he should kill Satan, because Satan was evil. But God also knew all the other angels could in theory think Satan was right if God's response to the rebellion was an execution. So God had an idea: he would create a world with other people in it, and let Satan talk to them as well. He wanted the Earth to basically be his overtly complex "10 reasons Satan is a dickhead" powerpoint presentation, and the whole history of mankind is just serving as an example for the angels of why God is a great guy and why Satan should really be executed in the end of it.
The first cracks in my theology when I was somewhere between 12 and 13 were "wait, but if the whole point of humanity existing was to show that sin is bad, why did God create us _without_ sin, and later got angry when Satan convinced Adam and Eve to sin? Wasn't sinning the sole purpose of why he made us?", and it was all a downhill spiral from there.
To my knowledge only some protestant sects hold up this narrative; as far as I know, the Catholic church has absolutely no reasoning for why God created mankind, and other protestant sects tend to believe, as you said, that he made us just to worship him, which is the vainest shit I've ever heard. Like, imagine dedicating yourself to study programming with the one and only purpose of writing a code that makes your computer say "Roger Roger, you are sexy and smart and funny, and everyone loves you, I love you Roger Roger!" every 10 seconds... The kind of person who would do _that,_ is the God most people believe in... And, as I pointed out, when they try to make up a narrative for why he made us, it doesn't get any better xD
I really don't have too much problem with a deity creating people for the sole/main purpose to worship him.... it's that he fucked it up so badly! Like you HAD ONE JOB! LOL
He was bored and needed a pet project a new hobby. We’re just like a big board game to him, chess if you will…wait that’s a intelligent board game - scrap that .☺️😉
God moved on to other planets and other creations, the ones living on this mud ball ended up too crazy for his taste /s
Excellent as usual! Thank you for taking the time to do the research that most of us can’t.
Even if you successfully part a large sea, it would be impossible to traverse because there would still be several feet of silty mud over its entire surface. Good luck running a mass of people through such a landscape !
not only that, it's not even an impressive feat to part the sea if you assume the one doing it is an omnipotent being. It wouldn't take much energy to do it. Why didn't God just teleport them to their destination. Or rather, why did God send them from a desert region to another desert region? Why didn't he teleport them to Pacific island paradise, if those were his chosen people whom he loved the most? Why did he instead let pagans live on those tropical paradises? At least beam them to Europe where the land is much for fertile and even there he let instead live other pagans.
Even if we assume the parting of the sea happened, even if we could have seen it with our very own eyes, how the hell do people make the connection, that this must be an act of the omnipotent creator of the universe. A magical troll or a superman could have done it as easily.
Well, maybe the wind was strong enough to dry that area of the bottom. I'm only speculating.
@@maythesciencebewithyou Because he does stuff according to his will not how you would like them
It’s clear that this man’s “education” and further “research” has been funded by religious groups and it won’t continue that way unless he comes up with “answers” that please them.
History proceeded as if Alexander conquered vast areas. It dod not proceed as if Egypt was devastated by plagues and Pharaohs’ forces being drowned.
It actually did both. The idea that the Pharaoh of the bible was any of the pharaohs we know about in Egyptian history to date is just conjecture. It only really stands to reason that a people with no written language experienced these events before Egypt existed as the Pyramid-building megaculture we know about now. The pre-history of the Israel people is older than Egypt.
@@nixboox Egypt proceeded as a powerful state. There was never a period corresponding to the devastation described in Exodus. Matching a Pharaoh in history to the unnamed biblical Pharaoh is post hoc rationalization. There is no solid connection with any of them.
The Israelites didn’t exist separately from their Canaanite ancestors before about 1400 BCE. Egypt is much older.
Ancient Israelites and modern Lebanese are Canaanites www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/the-canaanites-werent-annihilated-they-just-moved-to-lebanon/amp/
I've heard of these Habiru. My understanding is that their only connection to the Hebrews is, they have a similar name. The connection is purely speculative but I don't see why it matters anyway. And, I'm not even saying there absolutely was no exodus. I don't think there's enough evidence and if there was one, the huge migration described in the Bible seems unlikely. There's one thing I know though., If we were able to go back in time and meet these ancient Hebrews, the things they believed back then would seem very strange to most. They were probably polytheist at this time for one thing. But even during say, the second temple period, the 12 tribes seemed to believe very different things from each other and from our modern expectations.
The reason this is important is because, it's supposed to be a religion. It's supposed to be the revealed word of the one true god. But when we look into it it seems to have evolved out of a typical pagan pantheon of gods. When we go back far enough, the Hebrew and Canaanite, culture religion and language merge. The Hebrews used to be Canaanite. And Yahweh was a Canaanite god. Yahweh had a wife. Or may have. I don't want to make definite claims but we know her name. Ashera. So obviously, whatever the case, what they believed back then was extremely different from what the jews or Christians believe now.
Yup. The fact is religion EVOLVES and becomes very different from what it started with.
I would agree with nearly all of that initial comment, except the claim that "Yahweh was a Canaanite god". I don't believe the evidence shows that to the case, but more that Yahweh was a conflation of the Canaanite gods El and Baal along with some attributes of the Babylonian God Marduk. But yes, the proto-isrealites were most certainly Canaanite in origin as Hebrew is a Canaanite dialect. The exodus story almost certainly didn't happen, at least in the manner that the Torah describes. There are several earmarks of the story that were "borrowed" from surrounding cultures. The scholarship done on this fascinating.
Reading Israel Finkelstein books , from pre exile Israel & Judah we have no archeology for the first temple, the northern temple or the high places but we do have lots of figures that have been interpreted as Ashera. Maybe the Bible wasn’t reporting on that time accurately either.
@@nonprogrediestregredi1711 You might be right. I don't want to sound like any kind of expert because I'm not but my understanding is that those were all Canaanite gods. El was like Zeus. The king god. Baal was another and Yahweh was their war god. But so much of what we know from that time is fragmentary anyway. And they're always discovering new things that change what the most prominent thinking is. So I don't want to sound contrary but I do remember reading that somewhere. Where, I couldn't tell you.
My favorite series on the net. I can't wait for part 6
This was so well researched and presented, educational and entertaining. And I liked how you balanced the respect and deserved slight mockery in your gags. I'm in the camp that mockery does have its place in such discussions, but it's easy to go too far, but I think you did a great job.
Make sure you check out part 1 here: th-cam.com/video/jHLWo7sGyh0/w-d-xo.html
I was slow to warm to your channel but am glad that I kept going as I love your content. I'd donate to your patreon but I'm a tour guide so you can imagine what my financial prospects are in the current global climate. Keep up the good work and if you're ever in NYC and want a free tour hit me up.
Wait isn't this one part 2...?
@@mindle9155 yes. Sorry. That was a typo.
I gotta say, loving the respectful discourse. Stay on target.
Holy Kool-Aid! That is some great content and totally love your work.
I have just found your programs. I think this is the 4th one I've watched and they are very interesting. I'm in my seventies and been an atheist for probably about 30 years but really I'm just now coming out about it. Watching nothing fails like bible history reminded me about a very old joke.
Why did it take Moses 40 years of wandering in the desert?
He would not stop and ask for directions.
Like I said a very old joke but I do enjoy your programming very much. So thank you for what you do
Another excellent video! I would love to see a video on how the bible was constructed, edited and timelines. Food for thought.
....And the silver medal for mental gymnastics goes to.... Trent Horn... of course, lol. And wasn't the Council of Nicea in Rome when the Bible was compiled and canonized?
That Council only voted on the nature of god being a 'Triune' god, thus establishing the *Trinity* doctrine, as opposed to the idea that god was a single god with a son called 'Jesus'.
The actual negotiation and voting by the Bishops as to what books were " inspired ", was done over a series of Councils such as the Councils of Carthage and Hippo and Laodocia in the late 300's.
The council of Nicea was was done to end the brewing religious civil war that was developing. Nicea itself is in modern day turkey during the reign of the roman emperors.3rd century if i can recall from sleepy brain.
@@MandaloretheSavage It was 325 CE, yes.
Those councils canonized the New Testament. The Old Testament was canonized for the Catholics at the Council of Trent in the 16th century. (The Protestants don't accept that and mostly follow the smaller Jewish canon, which is probably from even earlier.)
But all of these are debates about which already-written books (and chapters thereof) to accept as canonical. Nobody is editing the text of the books at this time.
Yes, in 1542 and the council lasted for over 30 years, they debugged the "Vulgata bible" that had over 900 books, and they established that all the books left out we're "anathema" or false, and the church left it as it is, even with all the mistakes that we know...
Yeeeees! I've been waiting for this video all week!
I am fascinated by this history. Keep making them pleeeeease
The camel thing is blowing my mind. How has this never been brought up before??
Because I am pretty sure it's wrong. Don't get me wrong, I am an atheist and really liked this video, but the mention of camels in the Bible being anachronistic is probably not true. The research made in 2013 by Tel-Aviv university should, logically, only indicate that one humped dromedary camels weren't domesticated in the region, not that no camels were domesticated. We have evidence that Bactrian camels were in Sumer, and since Abraham was from Sumer, it's not unlikely that he, if he existed, would have brought camels from Sumer, or that the Midianite nomads would have had camels. It's even said there is a petroglyph of camels in Aswan, Egypt dating to Sixth Dynasty.
I think you should do more videos on the evangelical movement. Also on Kenneth Copeland and all these Uber rich evangelicals that goes directly against their own bible. Loved the other videos like that. Thanks
This is my favorite series on this channel. You have a uniquely effective way of destroying these claims. Please continue it as long as possible.
Thank you for doing this. You said what I was thinking. The difference is, you are searching for the truth and he is searching for evidence for the Bible. Completely different things.
Oh really. It’s not that the difference is that someone has a predetermined conclusion against the Bible. You failed.
@@1Impossibleguy you failed.
Thumbnail got me dying before the video even starts, they keep getting better every time you upload
THAT INTO SONG IN FUNKY. THAT BEAT SLAPS HARD.
Thank you for all the well done research, time and effort. Very much appreciated.
Blown away by the content of this video! Amazing work! Koolaid, Rationality Rules, Cosmic Skeptic, and Genetically modified skeptic are the 4 horsemen of my generation.
Really like these response style videos. Hearing both sides of an argument back and forth in 'real time' like this is very helpful to those of us still struggling to deconstruct. Thank you!
Gregory of Nyssa, honoured as a "Father of the Church by both Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox, did not accept the historicity of the ten plagues because to do so put God in a bad light. He and other Christian intellectuals followed Origen, another early Christian writer and thinker, who wrote "We should not interpret a passage of scripture literally when doing so requires that we ascribe to God what we would hesitate to ascribe to the most sinful and vicious of human beings." Perhaps this was why Gregory was among the first people in recorded history to oppose slavery as intrinsically evil. It seems that apologists should take another look at this ancient Christian approach towards scripture.
Your videos are keeping me from losing my mind. Thank you.
I know right ?
The story of Moses proves how gods are created. Moses goes into the mountain alone, carves the commandments himself, then returns to find a new calf god. The people created a god, Mosis created a god. gods are created by man.
All these stories are created.
If an actual god carved the commandments out of the living rock for me to bring back to my people, the very last thing I would do with those carvings is destroy them is in a temper tantrum. You'd think something like that would go right into the pool room.
There are actually only two approaches to the Bible:
1. It is literal and it means what it says it means.
2. It is not literal and it means whatever people wants it to mean, according to their particular sect, cult or religion.
There's no third option "oh, this is literal, but this right here is not".
Not really - that's really not how to approach ancient literature at all.
Powerful archeological and historical evidence that Zeus exists:
- Ancient Greek chronographers calculated the exact date of the Trojan War. And lo and behold, in 19th century, archeologists discovered Troy and found out it was actually burned at that time. There's no way those chronographers could have known about this in advance!
- Homer mentions many existing places, including e.g. cities of Greek kings where royal palaces really were excavated by archeologists and dated to the time of the Trojan War (e.g. Mycene, Pylos, Tiryns). This is supported by contemporary accounts, e.g. many Hittite documents mention the land of Achijawa to the West of their kingdom, the correct location of the Achaeans from the Illiad, or a contemporary Luwian inscription mentions Wilusa (Ilion) with the same epithet that Homer uses!
- Homer correctly descibes technology and culture of the time when the Trojan War took place, even though it was very different in his own time. For example, warriors in the Illiad only use bronze weapons even though iron weapons were used in Homer's own time. He describes warriors riding charriots to battle even though charrots were not used in his own time. But archeologists really did discover charriots in Greece from the time of the Trojan War
- Demographic composition of the Greek army correctly maps to demographic composition of Greece at the time when the Trojan War took place and not at the time when Homer himself lived. This is significant because demography of Greece was changed dramatically between those two periods. For example, Homer doesn't mention settlements which existed in his own time but didn't exist at the time of the Trojan War, doesn't mention the Dorian invasion, doesn't mention the Ionian colonization of Asia Minor etc.
Based on this and other pieces of evidence, we can clearly establish historical reliablity of the Homeric epics. And they clearly depict Zeus, Hera, Apollo, Aphrodite, Iris and other gods interacting with humans, including in battles where they were seen by multiple eyewitnesses at the same time, which means we can rule out hallucinations as an explanation (because hallucinations are never shared between multiple people). The Homeric epics also explicitely claim to be divinely inspired. We know the Greeks were pious and fearful of the gods and therefore would never lie about this, if only to avoid angering the gods. We can also establish that Homer was not a lunatic because mentally ill people do not compose thousands and thousands of lines of poetry in dactylic hexameter.
Therefore, the best explanation of the available evidence is the existence of Zeus, the son of Kronos, the father of the gods.
Yep. Besides, unlike middle Eastern deities, Greek deities don't have purely and plainly illogical powers and behaviors. Sure, we didn't find anything on Mount Olympus, but there's nothing preventing the Greek Gods from moving elsewhere once their worship had been abandoned by the Greeks and Romans.
Even more so: the Greek cosmogony doesn't pretend divine creation of the Universe, but rather, the emergence of an orderly Universe from a "chasm" of primordial chaos. While the imagery is off, it does sounds an awful like a singularity expanding and structuring matter and energy during the Big Bang.
So yeah, Greek theology holds up infinitely better than Judeochristian theology. It's logically sound, it can't be scientifically or mathematically disproven, and Greek believers actually made inspired predictions that were suspiciously accurate 😉:
The Atomists come to mind, as they predicted the Atoms _and_ Epicurus even suspected random scatter of the primordial elements, which could be interpretated as an early intuition of quantum mechanics. What science did Yahweh ever inspired or helped predict? Nothing. I'm still Atheist though, but I recognise that Greek Gods are more realistic and plausible than the monotheist Gods, whose existences are simply impossible given their would-be traits.
@@lucofparis4819 Exactly. The gods are personal, passionate and relatable beings, just like we are. Not a dead idol existing outside space and time, never having any original thought, forever locked into inaction by its own eternal decrees
If in 10,000 years New York is uncovered, it doesn't prove Spiderman exsisted.
Camels flock?
Never herd that before.
There is more evidence that camels originated from North America than there was an exodus from Egypt by 2 million Jews.
Btw...did you know that it appears camels originated in North America/Siberia?
@@rowleyj31 : And some of them stayed in America too. But like the ones that stayed in Asia, they traveled south. And now they're llamas.
@S Gloobal no, it's cause there is none. Bible is made up, only someone easily dupped or willing to "believe on faith" would think other wise with no actual evidence.
@S Gloobal no, there is no evidence period. And NO one is claiming the Hebrews don't come from the region of cannan. So you link is kinda pointless.
@S Gloobal pointing to one accurate claim the bible makes does not make the rest of the bible defecto true. For Instance, they were never slaves in egypt with a population of over 2 million. And there was never an exodus FROM Egypt. Nor where there ANY mass killings of Hebrew infants IN egypt.
I had a Hopparoo when I was little kid..
I had so much fun hoppin and boppin around..jeez....
Flintstone reference!
The only real question is this: *Is Trent Horn deeply dishonest, or is he just monumentally stupid?*
Given the time and effort spent on his videos, and their production quality ... I'm leaning heavily towards Trent Horn being deeply dishonest. I seriously doubt that he isn't aware of the obvious flaws in his own claims and reasoning. He knows that he's wrong, but he gambling that his Chrsitian audience just don't care and that all they want to hear is someone affirming their own beliefs.
Watch his attitude in the Dan Barker debate and you'll find out.
One day trent Horn will see who been pretending to be god to the humans. When gods don't exist evil Alien greys are behide this evil religion.
It seems mostly like confirmation bias on Steroids... he takes whatever he can find that MIGHT support his theories and claims it as MUST BE TRUE bits.
Yes, that is at least slightly dishonest, but it's a very human stance towards information and he might not be aware of what he does.
Dear Holy Koolaid,
Keep up the good work. You are a wonderful channel. You do such great work. People rely on you and what you are doing to find truth. Thank you, and hang in there.
Sounds like satan giving you a heads up.
Why would the Egyptians use the term Semitic? That comes from the idea that Hebrews were descended from Noah's son Shem and the Egyptians didn't believe that story.
This is quickly becoming one of my favourite yt channels
Another believer starting with the conclusion and performing mental gymnastics to mold the "evidence" into confirmation. And also unsurprisingly, misrepresenting the opposing argument a bit.
Did he consider the possibility that his brothers sold Joseph on a discount since they weren't trying to make a profit, they were just trying to get rid of their annoying brother without killing him?
Hell, it would even fit thematically, since the entire story was about how his brothers didn't properly understand Joseph's value.
Let's do the math. The 2.5 million Israelites were camped in the desert and hungry. That camp would have to be about 12 Sq. miles. God sent "quail," (very poor fliers) _from the sea_ into the area to feed the hungry exodites. The quail covered the ground two cubits deep for "a day's journey" around the camp. A day's journey is at least 25 miles. Two cubits is at least 3 feet. So out from the 12 sq. mile camp for 25 miles in every direction were dead quail stacked 3 ft. deep. How many quail? I don't know but it's easily hundreds of billions! Talk about overkill!
Nothings better than a Holy Koolaid video! Keep em coming! :)
As a former christian myself, who always struggled with the scientific contradictions of the faith, I enjoy and appreciate your videos. For what it's worth, I think they would be better without the sarcasm, for instance the picture of the failed hurdle jumper. While those who already share your views probably appreciate it for the most part, those who oppose your views, but may have some openness to listen, may be turned off. Good luck with the channel.
Two options, scientists believe in facts, where as the bible is the word of god, believed as fact. Without evidence you don't have fact. Egypt has a lot of evidence set in stone, the bible has been rewritten many times.
I really love this series! I'm looking forward for future videos about the historical reliability of the Gospels and Epistles of Paul. You know, like what Bart Ehrman and Robert Price are studying about.
Read misquoting Jesus. They aren’t historically reliable at all. They are copies of forgeries or word of mouth. Written by people who weren’t eye witness.
I'm an athiest and a used car salesman. I feel hurt.
Holy shit this is quickly becoming my favorite channel
I adore studying body language. When he talks about Joseph being sold into slavery, he keeps swallowing and touching his face and hair. Once could be just a scratch, but he does it _every single time he talks about the price and says the word sheckels_
Those are signs of stress that typically indicate lying or doubt in what the person is saying.
Don't stop making those videos. I like this series.
I never like a video as fast as I like these “nothing fails like bible history” vids
More response videos please. They are so rare these days and you do a damn fine job good sir. ✌️
The Bible isn't a scientific book and reflects traditions transmitted orally. It is not historically reliable and the events might have occurred quite differently from the original text. Numbers in Antiquity were quite inflated because people were 'only guessing numbers': look at the 1 million Persians against 300 Spartans? 1 million? There were never resources for 1 million Persians in Greece as shown by Prof. Green. You also need an episode on 'Exodus decoded' by Cameron. Accuracy when science was at infancy, no way!
lmao I could barely focus on the clip with the conversation between the egyptologist and assyriologist because of how awkward the guy looked. the constant nodding, the facial expressions- 😂
"This stone talks about how a Pharaoh slaughtered to the point of annihilation a tribe called 'Israel', so this is proof that Israel destroyed Egypt's army and went on to conquer their colonies"
Excuse me, wat?
Thomas,
If you see this comment, I've loved your content for years and have learnt a lot from your channel. Would you be able to do a video or series on the historicity of King David and the empire that followed?
Its easy to debunk the Exodus. Just check Egyptian records. Just go online and order or read the groundbreaking book, "Egypt knew neither pharaoh nor Moses." a Kindle book by Ezzat Ashaf
Really? Is there other historians that confirm this conclusion?
@@mrandersong1 in order to confirm this, you must investigate and listen to historians that ARE NOT Jewish or christian. that way they are not biased. But new teachings are arising, as more expert historians are growing up learning and being educated WITHOUT THE college institution biases AND seeing the facts and archaeology for themselves. A lot of Asian and Chinese archaeologists and historians are more apt to be accurate and forthcoming into what they really think the evidence says. But western civilization , EVEN THE ATHEISTS, have been indoctrinated, by CHRISTIAN TRADITONALISM in their History and archaeology learnings at colleges. and some don't even realize it. read the Kindle book of Ezzat Ashaf. HE GIVES REFERENCES to his sources.
@@lukeyznaga7627 Thanks. There’s a lot more wrong with the Bible than just the exodus but I will check this out. Have you read the skeptics annotated Bible? Points out the ludicrous bullshit in the Bible.
@@mrandersong1 I have. its great. When I first left christianity, I had good reasons and my "awareness" and knowledge grew in small amounts. but like a small hole in a damn where water starts getting, out WITH THE INTERNET access to knowledge, that trickle has become a flood. Skeptics bible helped. But so did listening to Christopher Hitchens. And reading Bart Ehremann's books. When I "look back" on what I used to believe and what the bible teaches, I realize the full extent of the dangerous lies and misinformation me and others had believed..FOR SO LONG. But its deeper. Due to the "marketing" of the Catholic church and organized religions, our higher learning places have really had wrong approaches to history, archaeology and looking for solutions to mankind's problems, even the problems of the poor. Its a tragedy. Closed thinking and beliefs in lies and false promises like the bible, hurt people and culture. I even believe that is what led us to slaughter millions of native americans.
@@lukeyznaga7627 Yes, it disrupts evolution and man taking responsibility for the issues facing humanity. I read Bart ehrmans books too and they’re phenomenal. Especially Jesus interrupted. I had no idea the gospels were written so long after the fact and they weren’t eye witness. I believed for a long time but couldn’t find confirmation in any source and especially in what we call reality. At the same time life is hard, meaningless, and doesn’t make sense without a God. Hitches is good, I like Adam Harris and Dawkins a lot.
Where is the, "I walked the desert for 40 years and all I got was the 10 Commandments t-shirt?"
Some cloths do survive.
"thank you, for watching"
You're welcome. I enjoy your creativity and intelligence.
Everybody assumes that killing the firstborn means killing babies, but what about the eldest in a large family?
Interesting idea
When you said Horn is a "Catholic Apologist" I didn't realise that was a real thing. Why do they need people to "defend" their faith if God is all-powerful?
Using the same methodology as the apologists use to "prove" biblical "truth" - references to provably historical people, places, and events - one could make the argument that Abraham Lincoln spent a good portion of his life driving stakes into the hearts of a cabal of Southern vampires. What a guy!
LOVED the refreshing spinning symbol
"Just because you have Catholic answers doesn't mean you have the right ones. "
Oh snap!!!!
Press F to doubt.
Habiru ('Apiru) may sound/look a little like the word Hebrew, but no, that's not how it works.
Everything Trent uses as 'evidence' is supposition, at best.
From one Thomas to another, excellent job. Please keep up the great work and thank you very much. 😊
Bible apologetics: X-games level straw-grasping.
I'm not saying it was aliens, but it totally was aliens.
Yes evil Alien grey are behide this evil religion.
Not only is there no evidence, it’s a really shitty story too.
Crazy how a single man decided one day “I’m a prophet, I can hear him and only I. Let’s hijack that religion now.” Twice.
Catholic Answers.....should we abbreviate that? To what? Hmmm...Canswers!
Comrade. I grew up watching wrestling. Thank you for the delightful thumbnail! ❤
My favorite story in the Wholly Babel is when Jesus and Moses mowed down an entire army of Boogalites with only 2 AK-47s ;)
Thanks for the videos. Doing some great work.
We all know that most of the bible was fairy tales created by very old people, but I'd like to point out that at least this apologist doesn't call atheists dumb or brainwashed, something for a change lol