@@funkydankspliff It would be great to have him on there , they would be blown away by all the knowledge he has on board set up's and truck designs.. And he rips hard on the board..
Wear them out for a while breaks then in nice. Taking them out to buggy clubs dancing is also the best to break them in, plus you feel great in a new pair of shoes 😁
Yup, now I’m a little older and I started wearing my half cabs to festivals and theme parks and after a couple of months I started skating them and man let me tell you they feel like gloves.
i remember the wave of vulc shoes that every company started doing around 2007-8, got hard to find decent cupsoles, i would always roll my ankle's in vulc shoe's due to the sharper edges and extra grip feel, you could say i'm a Anti-vulcanizer
I do love joslins marana shoes. They fit my foot shape perfectly. They last for a lot longer than any other shoe I've tried. I suppose they do take a bit of time to break in but they still skate well for me fresh outs the box. Vans and some others creat a weird pressure point in my foot when breaking in that causes real pain and makes it difficult to skate and not get hurt compensating for the weird foot pain. Just my two cents on my experience. Love your informative vids
Yeah those are crazy nice. They lasted me months. And I can still skate them now. Definitely one of my top favourites, especially in terms of durability.
I've been on a steady streak of Joslins and Maranas for about 3 years now, absolutely love them. They do have a little less board feel than Vans, but nothing you don't get used to. They do wear down eventually like any other skate shoe, but I've been impressed with the durability.
Favorite cup sole - Nike SB Dunk. Favorite vulcanized - Adidas Busenitz Vulc. Also really loving the original Vans Kyle Walker pro model which is a hybrid of both.
I like the busenitz original with the cupsole. Although it takes some while to get used to how point the toes caps are😂 dunks take a while to break in but the cool factor is 👌🏾
@@michaelbalas3024 for me, no. Waffle vulc soles have better grip for transition. Cupsoles have better impact protection and better flick in my opinion.
@@michaelbalas3024 awful flick with cupsole? That's pretty rare. You get consistent, good flick with them. Vulcs give great flick, but not consistent. I'm cupsole in the streets and parks, personally. Good middle ground cupsoles exist that can do well in both areas.
@@kmrskates I'm trying Nikes new cupsole - Force 58. They're not too bad. Could use improvement in some areas. Def think I need to find another cupsole like the Tyshawn’s
I loved the early 2000's Accels. The current OG ones aren't the same and feel excessively bulky for the sake of nostalgia. Currently skating some Joslins after seeing a lot of positive recommendations. The break-in period and boardfeel were much better than I expected.
Born in the early 00s so I don't know how they felt, but I wear the current OGs with some thick ass inserts in them. They're the only shoes that can fit my inserts and also keep my knees and feet from hurting from walking in them.
I have OG Accels and they aren't even nearly as bulky as they were back in the day. All of the reissue shoes by Es have been, quite frankly, garbage. They fall apart if you just look at them.
I rode some Duffs back in the old days and they helped me progress faster than other shoes. Didn’t think about it at the time but makes sense. I bought a pair of Adio after my duffs and almost lost all my tricks.
@@deadredeyes the Quattro currently out is amazing, in my opinion, but the Accels, Schemes, and Spartans all have been complete misses. That sole they used on all the reissues and the Silo is just weird. Silo SC and Quattro are the ones to get from Es right now. The Evant skates well, too, but you just gotta look past the weird parts of the sole (unless you like it) and then they're amazing
So far ive tried both joslin 1 and joslin 2, break in period was like 10 minutes of flat, after that i was very confident with them down stairs, they break in fast and last a long while
You and chad caruso are probably the best skateboard content youtubers. Always quality content and straight to the point. Never waisting my time. An you aren’t just using your channel as a marketing gimmick.
have you ever tried the vans Kyle Walker? It's like a cupsole in the heel side but a vulcanized on the toe. Right now I'm skating the 2s and I'm loving them, but I heard a lot of people complain about the strap, so since classic old skools hurt your feet, meybe try the Kwals 1. Nice videos keep them coming
Wow never even knew there was a difference 😄 Hell we used to wear worn out converse chucks back in the early 90s, talk about hurting feet primo 🤣 then I moved on to skating traditional 90s cup sole airwalks, etnies and emericas mostly. Sometimes DC. Really whatever was on sale. Think even a brand called Simple
The fallen troopers are my number 1 currently. They are so damn tough, absolute workhorse of a shoe. I skate bowls so lots of running out. These shoes protect my toes really well.
Hi Ben. I’m skating vulcanised Adidas super suede and I like that they have quite good impact protection. I also LOVE how they are the same shape as my feet so I don’t slide around the insole. Good video. Have a good day, man
Well the best skating I did was with a Prod 9 Elite, the Tiago S (+ extra insoles) from DC and the Suciu II ADV. I like not feeling that much impact, even when I skate flat.
after my accels im gonna get some tiago s's of of ebay since his on nb nowadays (so sad hoping that he will come back to DC) any thing you can tell me about them?
My favourite is the emerica romero laced. A cupsole that breaks in super fast and fits my feet very well. Since I have wide feet a lot shoes painfull for me.
Those Westgates are the best cupsole shoe I’ve ever worn. Close second is the first Brian Sumner Adio (deep cut there). Best ever vulc was the Vans TNT 2 or 3, can’t quite remember which
@@ninmoron3150 Pretty good. I’m probably not the best judge tbf because I’m 34 and skate like once a month at this point. But the sole has held up well and the suede seems to be pretty durable as well, especially with the 1 piece toe
@@ninmoron3150 I have the Westgate 508s and just got some 440s as well. I haven't skated either yet. They look too rad to ruin yet. I think the 440s would hold up better. The 508s are extremely comfortable. The 440s are stiffer. There is more rubber on the sides of the cup sole on the 440s. It's pretty minimal on the 508s. Someone else mentioned that the heel is lose on the 508s. Compared to the 440s, I think this is true. The 440s seem to lock in your heels more. The 508s seem to have more board feel in the sole. I think they are thinner. The 508s have a single piece of rubber for the sole. The 440s have two. The 440s seem like they are pretty darn durable. It seems like they would take more breaking in. The 508s seem like they wouldn't require much break in at all. Also, the 440s sole seems to stick out more on the sides. I think maybe it's that way to prevent rolling your ankle, or maybe it's just the fact that the rubber on the side is beefier. They seem pretty damn durable to me. The ones I have are the black ones with the gum sole with suede. There are others that have more leather. Same thing for the 508s. I'm thinking the leather ones would probably hold up better. The rubber sole on the 440s seems pretty tough too. This is just my impression. Your mileage may vary. I haven't skated either of them yet. Overall, I think the 440s would hold up better.
I had both, both very good shoes. Accels are like pillows around your feet, but the boardfeel is surprisingly good after breaking them in. Manchesters felt very good for the shape of my foot.
Hey Ben, one of my favorite cupsole shoes is the new balance 440 hi. Pretty good boardfeel and thick enough where if you primo on the arch or heel you’re gonna be fine. Forefront is a lil thin but throw in a thin pair of FP insole it’s solid.
@@getbuckgetbuck I have the white and green leather ones. Holding up pretty good after a couple weeks. Been doing a lot of heel flips and the mesh on the sides aren’t blown out just a lil frayed
Used to love vulcanized soles but as I've gotten older I definitely prefer the support of a cupsoles nowadays. I recommend the new lakai telfords. Love the flick, ankle support and overall classic look
I felt the Telford sole is too thin :/ I have the Sabbath ones and even with a thicker inse in them, they feel too mushy brand new. :/ The XLK sole on the Atlantic and Proto would be a great idea for Lakai to try on the Telford I'm spoiled with Marana and Joslin models though.
I feel you. I did have to swap out the insoles for some FP elite orthotics. It'd be great to see a high top XLK shoe come out. Glad your liking your Etnies though 😁 I loved my Marana mids. If they had tongue centering straps they'd probably be all I skated haha
I recently picked back up skateboarding again after a 15+ year hiatus, a few days ago, that the ripe old age of 40. Currently I've been just using my daily work boots as skate shoes. The problem with work boots is that they grip the board too much, but I do like the support that a work boot gives me.
A very good cupsole shoe is alot better then any vulc, imo. But often you have to test a few to find that good cupsole. Meanwhile vulcs are pretty consistent across the board. Nike, Vans, Adidas vulcs? Doesnt matter, they all skate good.
I just got my first pair of vulc shoes. I went with the NB Numerics 379’s and I’m stoked on them. I’ve always been a cupsole boy, but these NBs have me hyped on them. I definitely need to get some orthotic insoles though
I am a big fan of emerica. I also tend to like cupsole because they have more incognito look, and last for long time. I noticed you haven’t reviewed emerica. What’s your thoughts on them?
Biggest most reinforced cup soles I can find with nice thick soles and some airbag heels 👌🏻 I've never personally understood the "board feel" argument in recent years to justify these thinner shoes.. when I grew up we all had ultra thin boards and cinderblocks on our feet, often times stuffed with the cut up padding from old shoes to make them even bigger! Different strokes for different folks, but if I'm spending $100 on a pair I want it to last longer than a week and protect me from board impacts and heel bruises
Only a couple of shoes have ever done this, but I think the idea is to have the support of a cupsole in the heel, and the flexibility of a vulc in the toe. Seems like a good idea on paper, but whether it's ever been executed properly I couldn't say.
@@carlyle6071 I own those Kyle Walker Pro 2s and skated them and wouldn't say they are a cupsole. Or hybrid for that matter. They're mostly just a vulc skate shoe with a heel that doesn't suck. For me it definitely wasn't the perfect hybrid. Mostly because impact protection is very mediocre. And they have overdone the whole boardfeel, as you will get hurt in primos. The other thing that sucks is how durability is just very average to really kind of weak IMHO. And the flick is pretty much like any other Vans skate shoe. Plenty of people will like that, but plenty of people won't. You're better off finding one of the more thin cupsole skate shoes if you want a more genuine best of both worlds experience.
@@michaelgrier6365 It's not a good idea in practice. Mostly because the flexibility of the skate shoe is not always a good thing. Extra support in the heel area is nice, sure. But it doesn't help much if underneath the front part of the feet, impact protection is zero. And that's really the biggest flaw of any hybrid. You actually _don't_ want to feel every minute detail of the board under your toes. It's more useful to have a flick feeling that doesn't feel too heavy or too disconnected.
my new balance 306’s are one of the best skate shoes i’ve ever had until i they were on their way out. the dainty kickflips after they’ve been well worn resonated with me. overall amazing shoe, when they first came out of the box and i got used to them they were just flicking the board so easily and now i really need to use a lot of effort to make it work because of how worn they are. lasted over a month and i progressed a lot because of how long i had them
Correction: They don't glue the tape on vulcanized shoes, they bake it on. That's what vulcanizing is, baking! No glue. Cupsoles are made with a "cold cement" process. Cold because they are not cooked, they use contact cement to glue the sole on.
Another awesome video! You're so right about a cup sole making a board feel older!!! I just got my favorite Romero laced and the first session was fun but my board felt 2 weeks older hahaha. Cheers Ben.
I'd rather skate vulcanized shoes and if I need a bit more support I'd add an insole. Cupsoles are ok but most that I skated recently had really long break in period and I did not like it. Favourite vulc shoes: lakai Newport (I don't think they're producing this model anymore and I'm super sad), Busentiz vulc, Cons 1star. Favourite cupsole shoes: Busenitz, Vans Kyle Walker 1.
Completely changed my mind since I made this comment. Now I skate only cupsoles. Lakai Telford are a favourite, also any Lakai with the XLK cupsoles (I skated the Fades, now they’re selling the Trudge with the same soles) Etnies Marana are also incredibly good. Am currently skating the Nike Ishods and even though are a bit more on the skinny side, I am really really liking them
wanna know what would be super awesome? a comparison video of the tyshawn low vs the tyshawn mid and the differences in how they feel flick etc after breaking in or being skated heavily
Cupsoles all the way! I like the look and idea of vulcs, but I'd rather go for durability and support, because the boardfeel and flex comes fairly quickly in most modern cupsoles. Marana, Joslin (1 & 2), NB# 1010, Silo SC, Quattro, Evant, and Dunks are my primary cupsole recommendations!
Favourite/best vulcanized skate shoe: Vans Rowley (the one with the puffy tongue) Favourite cupsole skate shoe: Difficult to say, maybe the eS Accel or Quattro. I prefer cupsoles overall. Durability, support, impact protection, more style, tech, and colour options.
By far my favorite shoes are the vans wafflecup shoes (gilbert crockett pro’s, kyle walker pro’s, and the “new” vans wayvee) They’re the only shoe I’ve ever found that has cupsole in the heel and vulc in the toe. You still get amazing board feel and flick but you don’t get instant heel bruise jumping off anything bigger than a 3 stair. I highly recommend everyone try them. The gilbert crocketts are a bit slimmer and the kyle walker/ wayvees are a bit beefier. So there’s still options depending on what you like better🙏🏼 best shoes ever!
I can't recommend the eS' Accel Slims enough. Cupsole, a little on the thinner side, but with the STI insoles they come with, they really don't hurt on hard lands or primos.
I usually have 2 pairs of skate shoes in rotation. My favourites are the Lakai vulcs and the Etnies Maranas. The vulcs have incredible board feel and flick but little impact protection. The Maranas have better impact protection, super durable but less consistent flick in my opinion. I usually pick a shoe for the type of skating I'm going to be doing that day. If I'm planning to hit stair sets I'll bring out the Maranas and if I want to do more flatground tech or vert I'd go with the Lakais.
I prefer capsule, but I'll skate either cupsole or vulc. My main priority is the shoe needs to have a midsole, and I like to have a footprint insole in addition to the midsole.
I can’t ride vulc. At over 30 years old, they just don’t protect my feet enough. I have been riding the Joslin’s 1 for 3 pairs now and I absolutely love them! I just also tried the NB 508 too and while I really like the shoes, they don’t protect your feet that much from impact. Back to Joslins after I’m done with the 508
Dude thanks for sharing! 32 here and my old school pros just didn't protect my feet enough and brusied heels suck. Went with etnies Marana and am much happier. I'll give the Joslins a look.
I've skated a lot of the NB numerics and the the Westgate's felt like the least padded by far. The Foy's feel good on my 36 year old feet if you want something kind of like a more padded 508.
Adidas matchbreak super in suede are probably my favorite shoes ever (I've been skating over 20 years now). They look fairly simple but the small details really make them perfect for me. Worst shoes I've ever tried skating, I'd have to go wayyyy back... Gershon Mosley "GMOS 4" globe shoes... it was like wearing bricks on your feet. I think they became my lawn mowing shoes pretty quickly lmao.
Ubc park nice bro ..I'm from mission and every so often we come out and skate there. I also seen Chuck Bailey in surrey in this video ..so cool to have sombody close to home do these vids
For me, I've always leaned toward cupsoles that are fat up top and slim down towards the bottoms. The DVS comanche 2.0s are the closest I've seen to perfection for me plus you can find crazy deals on them
I've probably skated 5 pairs of reebok Club C's and some other reeboks that I really like for cupsole shoes. For vulc I like converse w/ some nicer insoles (wear down really nice and the rubber toe lasts forever)
The Joslin Vulc is a great one. I have been riding this model for the last 6 months. Excellent board feel and durable. Not as durable as the Marana, but still above average for vulcanized shoes.
That switch heel line was perfect. I like cupsoles more than vulcs, vulcs are good for skating the park though. I really feel like its easier to switch to cupsole from vulc than vice versa though, tere's something about the extra support that you get used to. I'm on my eigth pair of Elijah Berle's which is a cupsole with no insole. I switch to the NB Jamie Foy's if I wanna skate a rail or transition with a little extra confidence and boardfeel.
Not necessarily a skate shoe but I really love the Adidas sambas. The design works really well for me. I have a heavy preference toward cupsoles and the more "soccer" shoe design.
I've been using those too. A big advantage is you can find them on sale on Amazon for $39 from time to time. Almost half the price of most of the skate shoes I've seen. The upper part of the shoes is pretty durable. It would be nice if there was a bit more rubber on the side, though that hasn't really been an issue for me so far. The weak point is the pattern on the soles (I don't like the circular suction cups, the tread in the back wears out in the heel from walking also). I've been wearing through them near my big toe. Next pair I start, I want to fill in the cracks in the treads with shoe goo. If you look at Adidas skate shoes you can see that a lot of them are just modified soccer shoes that they had previously. Also, the good thing about Sambas is that they have been around for decades and they don't get phased out like other shoes. If the rubber on the soles was filled in a little more, I think those shoes would be virtually indestructible. Certainly, for non-skate use.
I've been skating hi top cons for about a year now and they're the best. Super easy to break in, great board feel, and the rubber toe cap helps them last!
Any plans on releasing a Westgate 308 review video? I enjoyed the feel of the shoe, but maybe due to how I ollie, they would burn through my shoe lace within a weekend so I had to retire them. If you want to try some cupsoles, may I suggest the Nike SB Forces 58, I think it's their new model and they fit me perfectly so I think I've finally found my go to shoe. They have a similar sole as the Nyjahs, but the shape of a dunk.
I'm assuming you mean 508? I think they should put a leather or suede strip along the top side. My ollies wear there, but, maybe it's just because I'm not that good. I've noticed that the 440s look like the laces are further up and presumably will get shredded less. And the rubber on the side of the cup sole looked thicker compared to the 508s. I have some 440s on order. Interested to see how they compare.
Amazing video for beginners! By the way, I've heard the Kyle Walker Pro has some kind of WAFFLECUP technology that they claim is the combination of vulcanized and cupsole shoes.
I’ve had them the sole is very thin and they fall apart after a month I would not recommend. Get the joslins by etnies they take longer to break in but after you break them in they last forever.
I have skated Shane’s and they are too good, so flexible and sticky, they feel great but once they are old, are so tiny and primos hurt a lot. I think cup soles have less board feel and grip, but they last longer. In my personal opinion, I’m down for vulcanized
My Crockett's 2 have vulc/cup (wafflecup). One of my favorite shoes. They've lasted me awhile. And I've only skated 2 pairs in the past 2 years. But then again I skate transition more than flat nowadays.
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Ben you're one of the only reliable skate youtubers left, we all appreciate you🙏🏻
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You don't look very deep don't you haha :P
@@Damoforce who else is there?
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I just realized you’re also the Vancouver Carpenter….I’ve also been watching your drywall videos 😃 Great work!
😂 awesome!
Same here. Dude is awesome.
I’m waiting for the day that I look up a home improvement video and stumble upon Ben
Get this man on the 9 club ASAP
9 club doesn't deserve ben
@@kimbraden881 lmao
@@kimbraden881 not sure why you feel that way, nine club is great and has amazing guests. For real want to know why you think that
Get him on The Bunt! And both Canadian eh
@@funkydankspliff
It would be great to have him on there , they would be blown away by all the knowledge he has on board set up's and truck designs.. And he rips hard on the board..
Sunday starting off right with a new Ben Degros video 🙏🏼
Dang me too haha
Woah so crazy seeing you here, and also skating on Instagram. Are you Canadian?
In the 90s, we would plan ahead by wearing our shoes in non-skating situations (like to school) for a couple of weeks before skating them. No biggie.
Yeah, who wants to immediately thrash a sweet pair of shoes either.
Wear them out for a while breaks then in nice. Taking them out to buggy clubs dancing is also the best to break them in, plus you feel great in a new pair of shoes 😁
Thats what I do up this day
Yup, now I’m a little older and I started wearing my half cabs to festivals and theme parks and after a couple of months I started skating them and man let me tell you they feel like gloves.
i remember the wave of vulc shoes that every company started doing around 2007-8, got hard to find decent cupsoles, i would always roll my ankle's in vulc shoe's due to the sharper edges and extra grip feel, you could say i'm a Anti-vulcanizer
Agreed on rolling the ankle situation
Yep, Globe cupsole shoes ftw all day long!!
So cupsole saves the rolling ankle because your foot is lodged inside the U shaped rubber footing right?
I do love joslins marana shoes. They fit my foot shape perfectly. They last for a lot longer than any other shoe I've tried. I suppose they do take a bit of time to break in but they still skate well for me fresh outs the box. Vans and some others creat a weird pressure point in my foot when breaking in that causes real pain and makes it difficult to skate and not get hurt compensating for the weird foot pain. Just my two cents on my experience. Love your informative vids
Yeah those are crazy nice. They lasted me months. And I can still skate them now. Definitely one of my top favourites, especially in terms of durability.
What’s the board feel like ??
I've been on a steady streak of Joslins and Maranas for about 3 years now, absolutely love them. They do have a little less board feel than Vans, but nothing you don't get used to. They do wear down eventually like any other skate shoe, but I've been impressed with the durability.
I love the Joslins...they feel like pillows on my 40 year old feet. Yeah maybe a bit stiff at first but protection is a priority.
I use a new pair of Marana while I skate the previous. It means that when I start skating another pair it is broken in already.
I learned heelflips, got a new pair of vans and immediately lost my heelflips and went insane, this video explains a lot, thanks Ben.
Favorite cup sole - Nike SB Dunk. Favorite vulcanized - Adidas Busenitz Vulc. Also really loving the original Vans Kyle Walker pro model which is a hybrid of both.
I like the busenitz original with the cupsole. Although it takes some while to get used to how point the toes caps are😂 dunks take a while to break in but the cool factor is 👌🏾
@@LuisGarcia-sq5mm i got the cupsole busenitz on right now 😂
Dang Ben, your style in skating has gotten so nice as of late!
For real. That back 180 was so steezy and his halfcab heel and halfcab flip were so clean and fully rotated.
Man is ripping
That half cab flip with authority!!
As a personal rule: vulcanized for transition and cupsole for street skating
Bruh what it’s the other way around. You get such better grip with cupsole but awful flick and vulcanized he not as good grip but a beautiful flick.
@@michaelbalas3024 for me, no. Waffle vulc soles have better grip for transition. Cupsoles have better impact protection and better flick in my opinion.
@@michaelbalas3024 awful flick with cupsole? That's pretty rare. You get consistent, good flick with them. Vulcs give great flick, but not consistent.
I'm cupsole in the streets and parks, personally. Good middle ground cupsoles exist that can do well in both areas.
I’m with @@michaelbalas3024 vulc all day for street, get great flick
@@kmrskates I'm trying Nikes new cupsole - Force 58. They're not too bad. Could use improvement in some areas. Def think I need to find another cupsole like the Tyshawn’s
I loved the early 2000's Accels. The current OG ones aren't the same and feel excessively bulky for the sake of nostalgia. Currently skating some Joslins after seeing a lot of positive recommendations. The break-in period and boardfeel were much better than I expected.
Born in the early 00s so I don't know how they felt, but I wear the current OGs with some thick ass inserts in them. They're the only shoes that can fit my inserts and also keep my knees and feet from hurting from walking in them.
I have OG Accels and they aren't even nearly as bulky as they were back in the day. All of the reissue shoes by Es have been, quite frankly, garbage. They fall apart if you just look at them.
I rode some Duffs back in the old days and they helped me progress faster than other shoes. Didn’t think about it at the time but makes sense. I bought a pair of Adio after my duffs and almost lost all my tricks.
@@deadredeyes the Quattro currently out is amazing, in my opinion, but the Accels, Schemes, and Spartans all have been complete misses. That sole they used on all the reissues and the Silo is just weird.
Silo SC and Quattro are the ones to get from Es right now. The Evant skates well, too, but you just gotta look past the weird parts of the sole (unless you like it) and then they're amazing
Get the accel slims
we need a flick tutorial. you have some of the most consistent flat ground ever!! so controlled, teach us!
i think the secret is just skating for 30 somethin years lol
@@frankie3351 the secret might also be getting less than 6 hours of sleep a day with 4 kids lol
He explained this before, but the key to having good flick is to develop the muscles in your leg needed for it.
So far ive tried both joslin 1 and joslin 2, break in period was like 10 minutes of flat, after that i was very confident with them down stairs, they break in fast and last a long while
Try microwaving your shoes for 30 seconds then walking in them for 5 mins they break in asap
Perfect timing to get me hyped for the skate sesh 🤙🏽
You and chad caruso are probably the best skateboard content youtubers. Always quality content and straight to the point. Never waisting my time. An you aren’t just using your channel as a marketing gimmick.
The legend of Chad Caruso. Most tenacious dude in skateboarding.
Tiago’s and Tyshawn’s are the best cupsoles
Can agree, Tyshawn’s are good
Wish I could wear Tyshawns, but they're way too narrow for me
tiagos have no grip
So now you're teaching me about drywall aaaand sneakers?!!! Bravo
Holy shit I thought you looked familiar, I was watching some of your drywall repair videos a few weeks ago. This is nuts.
have you ever tried the vans Kyle Walker? It's like a cupsole in the heel side but a vulcanized on the toe. Right now I'm skating the 2s and I'm loving them, but I heard a lot of people complain about the strap, so since classic old skools hurt your feet, meybe try the Kwals 1. Nice videos keep them coming
You mean the Kyle walker 2s?
The strap is the only thing that stops me getting the Walker 2s
Wow never even knew there was a difference 😄 Hell we used to wear worn out converse chucks back in the early 90s, talk about hurting feet primo 🤣 then I moved on to skating traditional 90s cup sole airwalks, etnies and emericas mostly. Sometimes DC. Really whatever was on sale. Think even a brand called Simple
Kyle Walker 2s waffle cup is amazing. Had two pair so far and by far the most comfortable I've ever skated. Great impact support and good board feel.
7:25 haha the blues clue reference killed me bro #90sKid . Great video, didn't realize shoes went this deep
You were mentioned in a John Hill Instagram story yesterday in his Progress Daily page. It was a skatetuber appreciation thingy
I just quit Instagram last week so I never saw it :(
@@bendegros Good to hear, dude. Nothing to frown over.
why did you quit instagram? just curious.
The fallen troopers are my number 1 currently. They are so damn tough, absolute workhorse of a shoe. I skate bowls so lots of running out. These shoes protect my toes really well.
Favourite cupsole these days is the Adidas Tyshawn, great shoe and last pretty well...skated 3 pairs in a row now.
Hi Ben. I’m skating vulcanised Adidas super suede and I like that they have quite good impact protection. I also LOVE how they are the same shape as my feet so I don’t slide around the insole. Good video. Have a good day, man
Well the best skating I did was with a Prod 9 Elite, the Tiago S (+ extra insoles) from DC and the Suciu II ADV. I like not feeling that much impact, even when I skate flat.
after my accels im gonna get some tiago s's of of ebay since his on nb nowadays (so sad hoping that he will come back to DC) any thing you can tell me about them?
I’m relieved to know you are still skating!
My favourite is the emerica romero laced. A cupsole that breaks in super fast and fits my feet very well. Since I have wide feet a lot shoes painfull for me.
Those Westgates are the best cupsole shoe I’ve ever worn. Close second is the first Brian Sumner Adio (deep cut there). Best ever vulc was the Vans TNT 2 or 3, can’t quite remember which
How long do the westgates last ? They caught my eye but idk abt the durability
@@ninmoron3150 Pretty good. I’m probably not the best judge tbf because I’m 34 and skate like once a month at this point. But the sole has held up well and the suede seems to be pretty durable as well, especially with the 1 piece toe
@@ninmoron3150 I have the Westgate 508s and just got some 440s as well. I haven't skated either yet. They look too rad to ruin yet. I think the 440s would hold up better. The 508s are extremely comfortable. The 440s are stiffer. There is more rubber on the sides of the cup sole on the 440s. It's pretty minimal on the 508s. Someone else mentioned that the heel is lose on the 508s. Compared to the 440s, I think this is true. The 440s seem to lock in your heels more. The 508s seem to have more board feel in the sole. I think they are thinner. The 508s have a single piece of rubber for the sole. The 440s have two. The 440s seem like they are pretty darn durable. It seems like they would take more breaking in. The 508s seem like they wouldn't require much break in at all. Also, the 440s sole seems to stick out more on the sides. I think maybe it's that way to prevent rolling your ankle, or maybe it's just the fact that the rubber on the side is beefier. They seem pretty damn durable to me. The ones I have are the black ones with the gum sole with suede. There are others that have more leather. Same thing for the 508s. I'm thinking the leather ones would probably hold up better. The rubber sole on the 440s seems pretty tough too. This is just my impression. Your mileage may vary. I haven't skated either of them yet. Overall, I think the 440s would hold up better.
Favorite cupsole - original es accel, favorite vulcanized - lakai manchester
I had both, both very good shoes. Accels are like pillows around your feet, but the boardfeel is surprisingly good after breaking them in. Manchesters felt very good for the shape of my foot.
Hey Ben, one of my favorite cupsole shoes is the new balance 440 hi. Pretty good boardfeel and thick enough where if you primo on the arch or heel you’re gonna be fine. Forefront is a lil thin but throw in a thin pair of FP insole it’s solid.
Are they holding up well? I've had my eye on the 440 high for a while but never had NB and some were canvas so I was hesitant
@@getbuckgetbuck I have the white and green leather ones. Holding up pretty good after a couple weeks. Been doing a lot of heel flips and the mesh on the sides aren’t blown out just a lil frayed
Love the Tyshawn cup-soles
Used to love vulcanized soles but as I've gotten older I definitely prefer the support of a cupsoles nowadays. I recommend the new lakai telfords. Love the flick, ankle support and overall classic look
I felt the Telford sole is too thin :/
I have the Sabbath ones and even with a thicker inse in them, they feel too mushy brand new. :/
The XLK sole on the Atlantic and Proto would be a great idea for Lakai to try on the Telford
I'm spoiled with Marana and Joslin models though.
I feel you. I did have to swap out the insoles for some FP elite orthotics. It'd be great to see a high top XLK shoe come out. Glad your liking your Etnies though 😁 I loved my Marana mids. If they had tongue centering straps they'd probably be all I skated haha
I recently picked back up skateboarding again after a 15+ year hiatus, a few days ago, that the ripe old age of 40. Currently I've been just using my daily work boots as skate shoes. The problem with work boots is that they grip the board too much, but I do like the support that a work boot gives me.
Sounds like a recipe for a cracked board. Do they have steel shanks? That might affect board feel. LOL!
A very good cupsole shoe is alot better then any vulc, imo. But often you have to test a few to find that good cupsole. Meanwhile vulcs are pretty consistent across the board. Nike, Vans, Adidas vulcs? Doesnt matter, they all skate good.
I like cups for the extra padding and support. Great video as always!
I just got my first pair of vulc shoes. I went with the NB Numerics 379’s and I’m stoked on them. I’ve always been a cupsole boy, but these NBs have me hyped on them. I definitely need to get some orthotic insoles though
Very interesting I hope indepth skateboard shoe videos become more common some day I love this!
I am a big fan of emerica. I also tend to like cupsole because they have more incognito look, and last for long time. I noticed you haven’t reviewed emerica. What’s your thoughts on them?
Biggest most reinforced cup soles I can find with nice thick soles and some airbag heels 👌🏻 I've never personally understood the "board feel" argument in recent years to justify these thinner shoes.. when I grew up we all had ultra thin boards and cinderblocks on our feet, often times stuffed with the cut up padding from old shoes to make them even bigger!
Different strokes for different folks, but if I'm spending $100 on a pair I want it to last longer than a week and protect me from board impacts and heel bruises
Well, what about the vulc/cup hybrid? For example, Nyjahs shoes have them, just wondering.
Kyle walker pros also have those as well.
@@carlyle6071 I think once they vulc a cupsole it just gets chalked up as a vulc. Vans just out of ideas.
Only a couple of shoes have ever done this, but I think the idea is to have the support of a cupsole in the heel, and the flexibility of a vulc in the toe.
Seems like a good idea on paper, but whether it's ever been executed properly I couldn't say.
@@carlyle6071 I own those Kyle Walker Pro 2s and skated them and wouldn't say they are a cupsole. Or hybrid for that matter. They're mostly just a vulc skate shoe with a heel that doesn't suck. For me it definitely wasn't the perfect hybrid. Mostly because impact protection is very mediocre. And they have overdone the whole boardfeel, as you will get hurt in primos. The other thing that sucks is how durability is just very average to really kind of weak IMHO. And the flick is pretty much like any other Vans skate shoe. Plenty of people will like that, but plenty of people won't. You're better off finding one of the more thin cupsole skate shoes if you want a more genuine best of both worlds experience.
@@michaelgrier6365 It's not a good idea in practice. Mostly because the flexibility of the skate shoe is not always a good thing. Extra support in the heel area is nice, sure. But it doesn't help much if underneath the front part of the feet, impact protection is zero. And that's really the biggest flaw of any hybrid. You actually _don't_ want to feel every minute detail of the board under your toes. It's more useful to have a flick feeling that doesn't feel too heavy or too disconnected.
Most underrated TH-cam skater!
my new balance 306’s are one of the best skate shoes i’ve ever had until i they were on their way out. the dainty kickflips after they’ve been well worn resonated with me. overall amazing shoe, when they first came out of the box and i got used to them they were just flicking the board so easily and now i really need to use a lot of effort to make it work because of how worn they are. lasted over a month and i progressed a lot because of how long i had them
Mate bit random but did you also feel like they are a lil heavy?
I broke my leg because I tried to make a vulcanized shoe last. Don't be like me and replace them as soon as they start to squash out.
Correction: They don't glue the tape on vulcanized shoes, they bake it on. That's what vulcanizing is, baking! No glue. Cupsoles are made with a "cold cement" process. Cold because they are not cooked, they use contact cement to glue the sole on.
Another awesome video! You're so right about a cup sole making a board feel older!!! I just got my favorite Romero laced and the first session was fun but my board felt 2 weeks older hahaha. Cheers Ben.
What happened to your Instagram?
Ya that’s what I was thinking
I'd rather skate vulcanized shoes and if I need a bit more support I'd add an insole. Cupsoles are ok but most that I skated recently had really long break in period and I did not like it. Favourite vulc shoes: lakai Newport (I don't think they're producing this model anymore and I'm super sad), Busentiz vulc, Cons 1star. Favourite cupsole shoes: Busenitz, Vans Kyle Walker 1.
Completely changed my mind since I made this comment. Now I skate only cupsoles. Lakai Telford are a favourite, also any Lakai with the XLK cupsoles (I skated the Fades, now they’re selling the Trudge with the same soles) Etnies Marana are also incredibly good. Am currently skating the Nike Ishods and even though are a bit more on the skinny side, I am really really liking them
LOL come for shoe video and found Vancouver Carpenter. Good times.
wanna know what would be super awesome? a comparison video of the tyshawn low vs the tyshawn mid and the differences in how they feel flick etc after breaking in or being skated heavily
Hoping for a 508 review soon, they look dope
Hey Ben I hope you’ve been doing well outside of youtube and social media❤️
At 43 my feet can´t stand thin shoes anymore. I´m using the 2000´s big stuff and loving it.
Cupsoles all the way! I like the look and idea of vulcs, but I'd rather go for durability and support, because the boardfeel and flex comes fairly quickly in most modern cupsoles.
Marana, Joslin (1 & 2), NB# 1010, Silo SC, Quattro, Evant, and Dunks are my primary cupsole recommendations!
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u deserve way more subscribers and views
loved this video
Baggy jeans and Cupsoles All day 💯
Either that, or maternity pants
Should I get Ventures, Indy’s or thunders on my 8.25 Setup?
Favourite/best vulcanized skate shoe: Vans Rowley (the one with the puffy tongue)
Favourite cupsole skate shoe: Difficult to say, maybe the eS Accel or Quattro.
I prefer cupsoles overall. Durability, support, impact protection, more style, tech, and colour options.
I love the busenitz vulc II. No break in time, great boardfeel, and they have little offset where the laces are so they don't rip.
Do they fit large for you? I usually wear 11s in shoes but the vulc 2s felt like clown shoes even a half size small
By far my favorite shoes are the vans wafflecup shoes (gilbert crockett pro’s, kyle walker pro’s, and the “new” vans wayvee) They’re the only shoe I’ve ever found that has cupsole in the heel and vulc in the toe. You still get amazing board feel and flick but you don’t get instant heel bruise jumping off anything bigger than a 3 stair. I highly recommend everyone try them. The gilbert crocketts are a bit slimmer and the kyle walker/ wayvees are a bit beefier. So there’s still options depending on what you like better🙏🏼 best shoes ever!
I love the Crockett highs. It's the perfect skate shoe for me personally
Best cupsole with super fast break in and lots of boardfeel is the one éS uses on their Swift 1.5!
Ive been loving the vans berle shoes. a good cupsole is a must for me.
I can't recommend the eS' Accel Slims enough. Cupsole, a little on the thinner side, but with the STI insoles they come with, they really don't hurt on hard lands or primos.
I usually have 2 pairs of skate shoes in rotation. My favourites are the Lakai vulcs and the Etnies Maranas.
The vulcs have incredible board feel and flick but little impact protection. The Maranas have better impact protection, super durable but less consistent flick in my opinion. I usually pick a shoe for the type of skating I'm going to be doing that day. If I'm planning to hit stair sets I'll bring out the Maranas and if I want to do more flatground tech or vert I'd go with the Lakais.
I prefer capsule, but I'll skate either cupsole or vulc. My main priority is the shoe needs to have a midsole, and I like to have a footprint insole in addition to the midsole.
I can’t ride vulc. At over 30 years old, they just don’t protect my feet enough. I have been riding the Joslin’s 1 for 3 pairs now and I absolutely love them! I just also tried the NB 508 too and while I really like the shoes, they don’t protect your feet that much from impact. Back to Joslins after I’m done with the 508
Dude thanks for sharing! 32 here and my old school pros just didn't protect my feet enough and brusied heels suck. Went with etnies Marana and am much happier. I'll give the Joslins a look.
Y’all should try out FP insoles, they are crazy on protecting your feet
I've skated a lot of the NB numerics and the the Westgate's felt like the least padded by far. The Foy's feel good on my 36 year old feet if you want something kind of like a more padded 508.
@@funkydankspliff I got some, but with the Joslin’s I don’t feel the need of wearing them.
< 33. The Rowan Pros were not bad. But have found goodness in the Tyshawn’s.
I have only ever skated Vans Sk8-hi. Can't go wrong lol
A maestro with a skateboard and perhaps the violin?
Adidas matchbreak super in suede are probably my favorite shoes ever (I've been skating over 20 years now). They look fairly simple but the small details really make them perfect for me.
Worst shoes I've ever tried skating, I'd have to go wayyyy back... Gershon Mosley "GMOS 4" globe shoes... it was like wearing bricks on your feet. I think they became my lawn mowing shoes pretty quickly lmao.
I loved the emericas leo laced, they are cup soles but it has great board feel and fast break in period
Ubc park nice bro ..I'm from mission and every so often we come out and skate there. I also seen Chuck Bailey in surrey in this video ..so cool to have sombody close to home do these vids
Currently skating the Emerica spanky g6 slip on cupsole with fp gamechangers. I'm really happy with them.
For me, I've always leaned toward cupsoles that are fat up top and slim down towards the bottoms. The DVS comanche 2.0s are the closest I've seen to perfection for me plus you can find crazy deals on them
I've probably skated 5 pairs of reebok Club C's and some other reeboks that I really like for cupsole shoes. For vulc I like converse w/ some nicer insoles (wear down really nice and the rubber toe lasts forever)
Glad I finally made it here. Clear, concise, relatable and no fluffing
Please do a full review on these NB 508's :) !
those new balances look sick
Chunky Globe Tilts all the way. I heelflip a lot so they tend to hold up the best.
nike nyjah free cupsoles. take a while to break in, but they last forever
I prefer cheapest skateable second hand shoe I can find. As long there’s no hole in the bottom of the sole yet, I’m happy.
I aint wearing another dudes shoe, no thanks 😅
@@MRK140.15 I don’t mind
The Joslin Vulc is a great one. I have been riding this model for the last 6 months. Excellent board feel and durable. Not as durable as the Marana, but still above average for vulcanized shoes.
That switch heel line was perfect. I like cupsoles more than vulcs, vulcs are good for skating the park though. I really feel like its easier to switch to cupsole from vulc than vice versa though, tere's something about the extra support that you get used to. I'm on my eigth pair of Elijah Berle's which is a cupsole with no insole. I switch to the NB Jamie Foy's if I wanna skate a rail or transition with a little extra confidence and boardfeel.
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Very informative video Ben, would you ever consider reviewing a Baker deck I would love to hear your opinion on them. Love the vids keep it up!
vulcan just always looked goofy and felt weird to skate for me. Cup just so good
Not necessarily a skate shoe but I really love the Adidas sambas. The design works really well for me. I have a heavy preference toward cupsoles and the more "soccer" shoe design.
I've been using those too. A big advantage is you can find them on sale on Amazon for $39 from time to time. Almost half the price of most of the skate shoes I've seen. The upper part of the shoes is pretty durable. It would be nice if there was a bit more rubber on the side, though that hasn't really been an issue for me so far. The weak point is the pattern on the soles (I don't like the circular suction cups, the tread in the back wears out in the heel from walking also). I've been wearing through them near my big toe. Next pair I start, I want to fill in the cracks in the treads with shoe goo. If you look at Adidas skate shoes you can see that a lot of them are just modified soccer shoes that they had previously. Also, the good thing about Sambas is that they have been around for decades and they don't get phased out like other shoes. If the rubber on the soles was filled in a little more, I think those shoes would be virtually indestructible. Certainly, for non-skate use.
Thanks for this. I was wondering why my new shoes made my decks feel so soggy and waterlogged. I typically skate vulcs so super helpful
Currently skating Lakai Oxfords (tie dye canvas) and the board feel is fantastic.
I've been skating hi top cons for about a year now and they're the best. Super easy to break in, great board feel, and the rubber toe cap helps them last!
Airforce 1’s are my favourite shoes to skate in. I’ve skated 3 pairs already over 3 years and they last really long.
What are the nike shoes in the thumbnail called?
Any plans on releasing a Westgate 308 review video? I enjoyed the feel of the shoe, but maybe due to how I ollie, they would burn through my shoe lace within a weekend so I had to retire them. If you want to try some cupsoles, may I suggest the Nike SB Forces 58, I think it's their new model and they fit me perfectly so I think I've finally found my go to shoe. They have a similar sole as the Nyjahs, but the shape of a dunk.
I'm assuming you mean 508? I think they should put a leather or suede strip along the top side. My ollies wear there, but, maybe it's just because I'm not that good. I've noticed that the 440s look like the laces are further up and presumably will get shredded less. And the rubber on the side of the cup sole looked thicker compared to the 508s. I have some 440s on order. Interested to see how they compare.
Your heelflips looked particularly saucy in the Newbalance shoes
I wear Vans for vulcanized soles when I skate park and Adidas for cup soles when I skate street.
Amazing video for beginners! By the way, I've heard the Kyle Walker Pro has some kind of WAFFLECUP technology that they claim is the combination of vulcanized and cupsole shoes.
I’ve had them the sole is very thin and they fall apart after a month I would not recommend. Get the joslins by etnies they take longer to break in but after you break them in they last forever.
I have skated Shane’s and they are too good, so flexible and sticky, they feel great but once they are old, are so tiny and primos hurt a lot. I think cup soles have less board feel and grip, but they last longer. In my personal opinion, I’m down for vulcanized
felt like the shanes didnt last long enough, got soggy quick, recently got cupsole slips and they’re holding up great definitely recommend
My Crockett's 2 have vulc/cup (wafflecup). One of my favorite shoes. They've lasted me awhile. And I've only skated 2 pairs in the past 2 years. But then again I skate transition more than flat nowadays.