A car drives by a man's house and he is told that there is a flood coming towards the town. The man says "God will save me." As the water level rises, a boat comes by the man's house. The people say "get in the boat, we're here to save you." The man says "God will save me." The water reaches the man's roof and a helicopter flies over. The pilot says "Get in, we're here to save you." Again, the man says "God will save me." The man is in heaven and ask God "God, why didn't you save me?" God says "I tried to. I sent the car, I sent the boat, and I sent the helicopter." The crazies that made this movie want people to become that man.
Dudes a lady in my church saw this movie and told us it was so spiritually uplifting, and told the ladies it's a great idea that if you've got marital problems, lock yourself in a closet and pray. like????
People want to think "Oh, this is just a wholesome movie about a family solving their problems following a good christian family" or whatever in an age where for some reason christians think they're being persecuted and any religious movie at all is better than it really is because it stands against society or whatever.... But let's not kid ourselves. This movie is crap. Anyone who thinks about this for more than a second can see how dumb this is. So just...... Anyone reading this, don't lock yourself in a fucking closet. God doesn't care if you have a room dedicated to prayer or not, that's just fucking dumb. Actually try and work out your problems and put in some effort to meet God halfway. Don't be the idiot who just uses prayer to run away from your problems....... Just... just don't.........
There are a lot of old phrases my family uses. "God helps those who help themselves" is one of the better ones, and one of the ones I live by (even though I don't believe in God) because sitting alone and keeping your head down to talk to someone who won't say anything back doesn't usually help.
The Bible says so itself: If you have marital problems, prayer is not bad, but you should also do something about it, like talk to your spouse about your problems, go to marriage counseling, something.
Can you imagine if a Muslim filmmaker made this movie and put it in a Muslim context? Keep the dialogue, just change it from Christian to Muslim. Same movie, essentially. And imagine the backlast!
+Tareltonlives Oh there'd be fucking riots and protests and at least one shooting. And the saddest part of that sentence is that I'm most likely under exaggerating.
Oh my god, that would be amazing! Someone please do this. I don't want any shootings or anything like that, but it would really shine a light on how hypocritically we act towards muslims compared to christians when it comes to stuff like making big statements calling people to gather in militias and take back DC for your faith, lol.
As a Protestant in the proper sense, the fact that fellow believers can watch this and then say that it's well made or good is somewhat aggravating. To paraphrase C.S. Lewis, as Christians, (or any sort of belief system, really), we are not to make Christian art, but instead art that is Christian. What that means is that we are not supposed to be producing something like this purely for the sake of it being evangelical, but for it to reflect our beliefs and life in an intelligent manner. Going back to Lewis, his Narnia books are an excellent example of creating art that reflects truths while still being enjoyable for people who don't believe as well. Tolkien is another excellent example, particularly because his work wasn't allegorical, yet it contained many values held by Christianity. I'll end this with a quote from Francis Schaeffer; " Christian art is the expression of the whole life of the whole person as a Christian. What a Christian portrays in his art is the totality of life. Art is not to be solely a vehicle for some sort of self-conscious evangelism." I would call my fellow believers to evaluate our art and not let it be inferior to other art. If we feel we've been drawn into great purpose, the art we create should reflect that. The exploitation film reviewer's post was probably the wrong place to post this, but it needs to be said. : P
Funny thing was that I recently saw an episode of South Park that got what it means to be a Christian better than any of these Christian propaganda movies ever could. It was the episode that reveals that the priest of South Park could have a chance to movie to a church in a better town and had a larger congregation, but decides not to because he is afraid that the Vatican would replace him with a child molester. That act of personal sacrifice where he puts the safety of the children of the town above his own desires is way more Christian than a movie like War Room. These so called Christian movie makers should be ashamed that South Park gets what it means to be a Christian better than they do.
Excuse an comment on an old video, but I just had to point out how hard I laughed at Dave's line of " Not that there is a discount, just telling you to do that because that's what god wants." was.
With Christian movies it makes me think of this quote I'm about to share: "So what resolution should we make for the new year? It's to let God know that you have the guts and the will to do it alone. Resolve to fight for yourselves, and for others, for those you love. And that part of God within you will be fighting with you all the way." - Rev. Frank Scott (Gene Hackman) from The Poseidon Adventure.
As a Christian, I say that if you have an abusive partner, get the hell away from them what ever it costs. Movies like this piss me off, both as a person, and as a Christian. It's amazing how some people can make a movie about religion that completely get the message backwards.
Hey lady, here's an idea: instead of screaming in a closet, TALK TO YOUR HUSBAND. Be civil about it, but tell him what he's doing wrong and why it's hurting you. Tell him that you want to save your marriage, but you both have to work towards that goal. If he keeps yelling at you and/or breaking the law, then he's a total asshole and you need to file for divorce. I may not be a Christian, but I'm pretty sure God isn't a genie. He helps those who help themselves, not those who scream loud enough. Honestly, no movie has angered me on the same level as this one. If a person is being abused, it's not their job to "fix" their abuser. They have absolutely no obligation to forgive the person abusing them. Maybe I just feel so much anger because my mother was in an abusive marriage, and had she followed this movie's advice, I don't even want to know what would've become of her. After she got a divorce, the piece of shit she was married to got re-married and went on to physically abuse that woman and their kids. Some people don't change, no matter what you do or how hard you pray. But what hurts me the most about this movie is that in 2018, we're STILL telling women to submit. If I ever get married, I don't want a wife who will submit. I want to be her equal, and her to be mine. If one of us is mad at the other, we don't curse the Devil and pray for God to intervene; we talk things out. THAT is what a healthy marriage is. If your spouse is a verbally abusive criminal who only refrained from cheating on you because of literal Deus Ex Machina, your marriage is not healthy. If God truly loves you, he would want you to do what's best for yourself.
Oh hell, no, there are grounds to divorce in the Bible!! Don't let anyone tell you different! It was said that it's at least allowed if he or she cheated, or not to even associate with these kinds of people who are sexually immoral, greedy, or if they're (also sometimes referring to them as non-Christian people, but...). It could mean anyone who could even be abusive. The sexually immoral part doesn't have to be just the person who allows consent because one, that's an old law, and two, it's literally consent! Nobody got hurt!! I don't want to go into it too much, but there are grounds for it that these movies act like doesn't exist.
My mother used to be a part of a really weird Christian Cult that told women that they needed to submit to their husbands because men should e the ones in charge. I was eleven when she converted and only went to church with her a couple of times (because I had to go) and when the old people would ask me what I thought about the sermons (these were audio tapes that were recorded in Oklahoma and sent to the people in the church around the world) I would reply saying that they were sexist, racist, and had no founding in any kind of reason. Eventually I was told I was no longer allowed to go.
she ended up actually getting kicked out two years ago. My mother moved back to her hometown and because the church is so small the closet one for her to go to was 5+ hours away. An Aunt of hers that was also in the church reported her after seeing her facebook posts about partying on the Sabbath and not attending religious services. Her sister got kicked out too for not attending services as well and ended up having her husband (who had grown up in the church from the time it was started) to be kicked out too. And with the way things work if you had been kicked out and already baptized then anyone still in the church isn't allowed to communicate with you. It's absolutely insane and a total cult.
+Sydni Robinson To be fair, you look like the kind of person that calls everything sexist and racist. But by what you've said, I think the cult you're referring to are known as Jehova's Witnesses.
Wafflicious Studios no they were the first Philadelphians or something like that. They're a lot like Jehovah's Witnesses only they don't go door to door.
I'm sure you were shocked as everyone else was when this movie ranked #2 in the box office this weekend behind SOC. Evidently, Christians are hungry for faith-based films...no matter how insulting, patronizing and condescending the movies are...LOL
+Denise Faraday I'm a Christian, but this film was awful, condescending and completely sent the wrong message. It went against a LOT of my beliefs and was just bad in every way.
George Pearson I'm very much a New Testament follower. Any laws that were in place by God or man before Jesus Christ were made redundant, with the exception of those that were repeated in the NT such as the commandments.
Also... 35:48 - 36:18 You, Dave sir, just nailed down why most people, even many of us Christians, hate these movies. These movies are just sermon illustrations, not real works of art. They're made to preach (even more blatant when movies like War Room or Courageous have actual sermons/challenges at the end), not to entertain, in an entertainment medium. These film makers think that because they have a message to preach, they can disregard such concepts as subtlety, form, creativity, or appeal. Which is sad, since we're supposed to be better than this... urgh...
TMonager High funny thing is, this doesn’t convert anyone a huge chunk of the time. It’s just pandering to people who are already in the club. A metaphorical handjob for those that already agree with the message and will like it no matter what, even if the message is shit like kill everyone who isn’t in the club and be suspicious of everybody.
You know what this movie needed. Tyler Perry. Seriously, how did these people make a version of Diary of a Mad Black Woman that makes Diary of a Mad Black Woman look like an Academy Award winning film.
I kind of agree with Sarah's interpretation that, in the alternate universe of this movie, the wife takes the moral high road by conforming to the beliefs of the movie's intended audience. Everybody just agrees that the godly wife should submit and the godly husband should lead. The husband is going against the rules of the universe by being an ungodly man, and so the audience will see him as in the wrong and in need of correction. The movie's ideals are misogynistic of course, but the way it expresses them is very patronizing of men, if that makes any sense. By putting the onus on the wife to make things better, the movie takes control away from the husband, with the assumption he doesn't know any better and can't be expected to act decently without action by his wife and God. It's just another version of the old mentality about men being beastly and instinct-driven, and religion being the only cause that can make them care about right and wrong. I think Sarah's right, this movie, in its own weird way, thinks a lot more highly of women than it does of men.
So either men are beasts that cannot control themselves without religion, or women should submit to the men they are married to, regardless of how abusive he is, and attempt to fix him?
+Ashley Moure That is probably the second worst advice a friend can give to someone being cheated on (the worst advice being murder). I hope this woman you know was able to see that her friends' suggestions were bullocks...
+TMonager High I hope so too!! She was a friend of a friend so I didn't know her personally. Otherwise I would have messaged her myself saying their advice was just awful -_-
Those who keep saying that movies such as "American Sniper" and "Act of Valor" are propaganda films, clearly haven't seen "War Room" and the "God's Not Dead" movies.
Social culture dictates that it can't be propaganda if it's supporting christians. It can look like a propaganda film, basically be a propaganda film, promote violence, try to start a call to arms, and spread whatever horrible message it wants.... BUT as long as it's a christian film, it's just sort-of OK for some reason because fuck actual logic. But the INSTANT you center it around the military or anything even remotely middle eastern, everyone will be right up your ass with claims about propaganda and how it's supporting Hitler or whatever stupid thing they want to talk about. Especially if it's anything remotely popular.
MadCap Productions look up the definition of propaganda then. there are tons of examples of the us using propaganda to promote military enrollment, there was the videogame America's Army and recently ads for indipendence day resurrection tie in, wonder how that worked out, the military doesn't know a flop when they see one apparently
@@bluchicken_995 yeah " better" I like my big cities where a women ca walk the streets at 4 am drunk without fearing for her fucking life. And in general too, its still a shithole compared to the civilised world
+LeoFan93 yea but still i wouldnt mind these kind of movies if they didnt make the characters in them either weak, stupid, or complete assholes and if the morals presented were a lot better than we got here
+Antonio Ortega I know i saw the previews for it on TV....couldn't even recognize him until someone pointed that out. that might be something to see...other than that and a few others, 2016 cannot come soon enough for me as far as movies go
I love how the only good films that have anything to do with Christianity are either about Christmas(Home Alone, A Christmas Story, etc) or events in the Bible(The Prince Of Egypt, The Passion Of The Christ, The Ten Commandments, A Serious Man).
Maybe because they're good stories and well made film. While this movies are pandering, offensive, extremely preachy and show "christian values" in the worst way possible.
So this movie is Christian witchcraft? Because that whole 'War-room' sure sound like a ritual shrine, where she seek spiritual power to solve her problem magically.
The white woman in the poster is Beth Moore. Be thankful she didnt have enough screen time, her preaching is as about as crazy as she is. Whenever she preaches she gets progressively louder as the sermon goes on.
I went to a summer camp run by Baptists when I was a teen (don't worry, it's not crazy religious parents" thing. I had friends who said it was run) and one of the counselors there said she cared more about God than her husband. I'm just thinking "I'm pretty sure God can take care of himself, lady". She also said she'd rather have us say something like "fuck" or "shit" than use "God" as an expletive. I was already really used to saying things like "oh my god" so I definitely accidentally irritated her that way, though it didn't bother me, since I'd already determined that she was one of those _crazy_ religious types, and had no intention of really _respecting_ her.
Abt the whole 'I'm here because of God' thing: I'm an agnostic adult, but I grew up catholic, w Catholic parents, going to catholic school. And in school, yea, they taught us that you should love God more than your parents, or your siblings, or even your future spouse. We were taught that in like, 1st-2nd grade. I still do have some faith, I'm not gonna shit on anyone's faith, but that's really messed up to guilt kids into putting their faith, which they probably don't completely understand at that point, over their mommies and/or daddies.
Same kind of upbringing here but I have no faith at all. The guilt trip in Catholicism is horrifyingly real. Then you have confession, about as degrading a ritual as there is.
Being honest here this is the type of situation that after the events of the movie the father will most likely murder his wife (If his wife doesn't kill him first) and child, then he will be arrested and sentenced to death.
Yay!! I'm glad TH-cam let a clip-less video of two people talking about a movie in Theatres stay on TH-cam. Great review as always! - Justin Simpson (GMD)
30:49 To this, I have only one thing I can say. There is literally no extent to which you can exaggerate greed and/or selfishness to the point where it becomes totally unbelievable. If someone's enough of a prick, then there is literally no level someone is unwilling to stoop to, for how little an amount of money. And weirdly enough it becomes more and more likely that someone will do this the richer they get, you know?
Doesn't it also say in the bible that you can't wear clothes made of mixed cloth? I'm not trying to make a passive aggresive jab with that, I seriously want to know.
Yep. Nearest I can tell it was thrown in as sort of a jab towards pagans that had a mixing/unity thing going on at the time (like wearing clothes made of multiple materials). Its long use as something of a legal text kinda fucked with the "original" messages and intents of the Bible in a *lot* of weird ways. Like how a lot of the animals marked as unclean were significantly more likely to transmit foodborne illnesses with the cooking techniques of the time.
There was a poster advertising this movie being played on my university campus. They were actually promising a free dinner to people who would see it. I thought that was pretty funny.
To be fair, at least Tyler Perry had his main character separate from her cheating douche bag husband in Diary of a Mad Black Woman--both in the play and movie. But he's still an abysmal screenwriter and director.
Actually it's a Middle Eastern tradition that predates Judaism (let alone Christianity and Islam) by several millennia. It is a sign of hospitality, and refusal to do so was viewed as an insult.
+29AndreG I thought so too, though I was really hoping for the latter. I'm not surprised and rather scared. It reminds me of those Facebook posts feature pictures of ill children and asking people to write down AMEN! in the comments as if the power of prayer will help them heal from a distance, like audience clapping will bring Tinkerbell back to life. I can't stand those posts, and I feel sick when I see graphic pictures attached to them. It's disgusting.
@@harrietamidala1691 It's been years since I've seen those wretched posts. Especially when they post a picture of a child who has some type of deformity saying, Do you think I'm pretty? It was like this after I first got on Facebook. I hated this kind of exploitation on Facebook.
surely the devil has better things to do like start another war or make another Tyler Perry movie , Jesus even a winters tale Will Smith was more proactive
16:14 - 17:02 This is one of my major problems with these films, and one of my struggles with Christianity. The whole "The only help you'll ever need is prayer and Bible reading" idea... No, no it's not. That isn't all the help we need. Sometimes, that's not the help we need at all... As to the comparisons with Fireproof... Eh, some ways Fireproof was better, some ways it was worse... not sure calling the two identical is entirely fair, though...
A lot of so-called "christians" seem to forget the whole "You need to meet God halfway" thing. Which is KIND-OF a pretty important detail to leave out because it means you actually have to do shit for God to be able to ACTUALLY help you with your problems!
***** Not with the religion, but I have a problem with people telling others that God hates them unless they follow some form of unhealthy guideline or just happen to be born a certain way or if someone's just born with a different sexual orientation than is normal. Believe whatever you want, but the moment your belief forces women to stay with a toxic relationship out of fear of god and causes actual psychological problems, THEN it becomes a problem.
Christian here, and I don’t know my Bible as well as I probably should, that said, I’m pretty sure infidelity is the only valid reason for divorce. And he was cheating on her. So I think even scriptural my a divorce is justified here. Correct me if I’m wrong.
Now I got Motley Cure’s Shout at the Devil stuck in my head. I think listening to that would be more of a healthy lifestyle than watching this… propaganda film.
Sane Christians... I know you're out there. Let me ask you something: Could you guys start making GOOD movies again? 'cause I know it's possible; Prince of Egypt -for example- was great, and I don't even believe in any of that stuff!
+Kevin Lefebvre The problem with that the only ones of us with the resources to make a mainstream movie are the ones who are insane. I too wish we could start making good movies again...
This movie is dangerous. Sends the wrong message. In every aspect. I believe in God. But I refuse to believe what people like my grandma believe. God condemns violence and unfaithfulness. The Bible states once abuse happens the covenant is broken so this movie is absolutely ridiculous and disgusting
If this truely was "Pray It Foward"... then at the end, while Ms. Clara is having her little insanity celebration, that same "25 Year Old" mugger would have broke into her house and stabbed her in the throat, stole her shit and got off scot free... but not before saying "Be sure to mention "Jesus"", because not enough last words involve Jesus."
(walks into comments section, clears throat)
"You can't fight in here, this is the War Room!"
(walks back out)
+TheHeroOfTomorrow *applause*
And don't look at the big board!
+TheHeroOfTomorrow Your comment was not only possible... it was essential.
God bless you, sir.
What about Major Kong? 😂
Brad is so adorable 'We got free mini posters!' 😀
''Ah ah ah ah! Gruuuunt.''
A car drives by a man's house and he is told that there is a flood coming towards the town. The man says "God will save me."
As the water level rises, a boat comes by the man's house. The people say "get in the boat, we're here to save you." The man says "God will save me."
The water reaches the man's roof and a helicopter flies over. The pilot says "Get in, we're here to save you." Again, the man says "God will save me."
The man is in heaven and ask God "God, why didn't you save me?" God says "I tried to. I sent the car, I sent the boat, and I sent the helicopter."
The crazies that made this movie want people to become that man.
Pretty much
I can picture Miss Clara's grandson now: "I never should've let grandma play Call of Duty."
"I'm sure the Devil is fine."
- Brad Jones
Dudes a lady in my church saw this movie and told us it was so spiritually uplifting, and told the ladies it's a great idea that if you've got marital problems, lock yourself in a closet and pray.
like????
88% audience score on rotten tomatoes and 6.3 on IMDb. people like this movie. I have no idea why, but they do.
People want to think "Oh, this is just a wholesome movie about a family solving their problems following a good christian family" or whatever in an age where for some reason christians think they're being persecuted and any religious movie at all is better than it really is because it stands against society or whatever.... But let's not kid ourselves. This movie is crap. Anyone who thinks about this for more than a second can see how dumb this is. So just......
Anyone reading this, don't lock yourself in a fucking closet. God doesn't care if you have a room dedicated to prayer or not, that's just fucking dumb. Actually try and work out your problems and put in some effort to meet God halfway. Don't be the idiot who just uses prayer to run away from your problems....... Just... just don't.........
I noticed that too and could not fathom it after I watched it. It was AWFUL an I'm a Christian.
There are a lot of old phrases my family uses. "God helps those who help themselves" is one of the better ones, and one of the ones I live by (even though I don't believe in God) because sitting alone and keeping your head down to talk to someone who won't say anything back doesn't usually help.
The Bible says so itself: If you have marital problems, prayer is not bad, but you should also do something about it, like talk to your spouse about your problems, go to marriage counseling, something.
"Pray it forward."
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"Get the fuck out of my car."
That is fucking hilarious!
I laugh whenever Brad is like : "HAHA! HAHAHA! HA. Uuugggghhh!"
Me too! That's when he morphs into Cinema Snob for a moment lol
I prefer to think of it as the Snob's Brad disguise breaking for just a brief moment :p
When the cringe is so big you turn into the Cinema Snob.
👀 Brad knows Greg Golightly?
"You're right, who the fuck is that white woman?"
Best out of context quote ever
Brian got food poisoning? Who prayed in their closet for him not to review???
Can you imagine if a Muslim filmmaker made this movie and put it in a Muslim context? Keep the dialogue, just change it from Christian to Muslim. Same movie, essentially. And imagine the backlast!
+Tareltonlives Oh there'd be fucking riots and protests and at least one shooting. And the saddest part of that sentence is that I'm most likely under exaggerating.
Someone should do a shot for shot remake and every woman is in Hijab...even the non Muslim extras
Oh my god, that would be amazing! Someone please do this. I don't want any shootings or anything like that, but it would really shine a light on how hypocritically we act towards muslims compared to christians when it comes to stuff like making big statements calling people to gather in militias and take back DC for your faith, lol.
This idea is AMAZING. I would love to see how the 88% of fans that give this a positive rating would feel about it
nah the sjw's would run to defend it if it was about muslims.
In the alternate cut the old lady reads the list and is all "Oh hell no, dump his ass"
As a Protestant in the proper sense, the fact that fellow believers can watch this and then say that it's well made or good is somewhat aggravating. To paraphrase C.S. Lewis, as Christians, (or any sort of belief system, really), we are not to make Christian art, but instead art that is Christian. What that means is that we are not supposed to be producing something like this purely for the sake of it being evangelical, but for it to reflect our beliefs and life in an intelligent manner. Going back to Lewis, his Narnia books are an excellent example of creating art that reflects truths while still being enjoyable for people who don't believe as well. Tolkien is another excellent example, particularly because his work wasn't allegorical, yet it contained many values held by Christianity. I'll end this with a quote from Francis Schaeffer; " Christian art is the expression of the whole life of the whole person as a Christian. What a Christian portrays in his art is the totality of life. Art is not to be solely a vehicle for some sort of self-conscious evangelism." I would call my fellow believers to evaluate our art and not let it be inferior to other art. If we feel we've been drawn into great purpose, the art we create should reflect that.
The exploitation film reviewer's post was probably the wrong place to post this, but it needs to be said. : P
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Funny thing was that I recently saw an episode of South Park that got what it means to be a Christian better than any of these Christian propaganda movies ever could. It was the episode that reveals that the priest of South Park could have a chance to movie to a church in a better town and had a larger congregation, but decides not to because he is afraid that the Vatican would replace him with a child molester. That act of personal sacrifice where he puts the safety of the children of the town above his own desires is way more Christian than a movie like War Room. These so called Christian movie makers should be ashamed that South Park gets what it means to be a Christian better than they do.
Excuse an comment on an old video, but I just had to point out how hard I laughed at Dave's line of " Not that there is a discount, just telling you to do that because that's what god wants." was.
With Christian movies it makes me think of this quote I'm about to share:
"So what resolution should we make for the new year? It's to let God know that you have the guts and the will to do it alone. Resolve to fight for yourselves, and for others, for those you love. And that part of God within you will be fighting with you all the way." - Rev. Frank Scott (Gene Hackman) from The Poseidon Adventure.
You see, divine intervention saved Brian from having to watch this movie!
+natsfan1137 Pretty sure Brian worships The Elder Gods.
+Icedrake201 Now that the elder gods have met their end of the deal he now has to sacrifice his friend.
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Fuck off, dweeb.
Divine intervention saves Brian but punished Dave.
@@silkyhank he eventually sees it.
As a Christian, I say that if you have an abusive partner, get the hell away from them what ever it costs. Movies like this piss me off, both as a person, and as a Christian. It's amazing how some people can make a movie about religion that completely get the message backwards.
Hey lady, here's an idea: instead of screaming in a closet, TALK TO YOUR HUSBAND. Be civil about it, but tell him what he's doing wrong and why it's hurting you. Tell him that you want to save your marriage, but you both have to work towards that goal. If he keeps yelling at you and/or breaking the law, then he's a total asshole and you need to file for divorce. I may not be a Christian, but I'm pretty sure God isn't a genie. He helps those who help themselves, not those who scream loud enough.
Honestly, no movie has angered me on the same level as this one. If a person is being abused, it's not their job to "fix" their abuser. They have absolutely no obligation to forgive the person abusing them. Maybe I just feel so much anger because my mother was in an abusive marriage, and had she followed this movie's advice, I don't even want to know what would've become of her. After she got a divorce, the piece of shit she was married to got re-married and went on to physically abuse that woman and their kids. Some people don't change, no matter what you do or how hard you pray.
But what hurts me the most about this movie is that in 2018, we're STILL telling women to submit. If I ever get married, I don't want a wife who will submit. I want to be her equal, and her to be mine. If one of us is mad at the other, we don't curse the Devil and pray for God to intervene; we talk things out. THAT is what a healthy marriage is. If your spouse is a verbally abusive criminal who only refrained from cheating on you because of literal Deus Ex Machina, your marriage is not healthy. If God truly loves you, he would want you to do what's best for yourself.
Oh hell, no, there are grounds to divorce in the Bible!! Don't let anyone tell you different! It was said that it's at least allowed if he or she cheated, or not to even associate with these kinds of people who are sexually immoral, greedy, or if they're (also sometimes referring to them as non-Christian people, but...). It could mean anyone who could even be abusive. The sexually immoral part doesn't have to be just the person who allows consent because one, that's an old law, and two, it's literally consent! Nobody got hurt!! I don't want to go into it too much, but there are grounds for it that these movies act like doesn't exist.
Your religious movie reviews always give me a good laugh.
Nice new lighting! Keep the red!
Guys, you can't fight in here!
This is the comment section for "Midnight Screenings - War Room"!
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Kudos if you get the reference.
Dr. Strangelove. One of my personal favorites and (obviously) a far better movie than War Room.
Thanks for the movie reviews Brad & Dave.
My mother used to be a part of a really weird Christian Cult that told women that they needed to submit to their husbands because men should e the ones in charge. I was eleven when she converted and only went to church with her a couple of times (because I had to go) and when the old people would ask me what I thought about the sermons (these were audio tapes that were recorded in Oklahoma and sent to the people in the church around the world) I would reply saying that they were sexist, racist, and had no founding in any kind of reason. Eventually I was told I was no longer allowed to go.
+Sydni Robinson And that was probably the best day of your life. Though does your mom still follow that "church" or has she left? It's not clear.
she ended up actually getting kicked out two years ago. My mother moved back to her hometown and because the church is so small the closet one for her to go to was 5+ hours away. An Aunt of hers that was also in the church reported her after seeing her facebook posts about partying on the Sabbath and not attending religious services. Her sister got kicked out too for not attending services as well and ended up having her husband (who had grown up in the church from the time it was started) to be kicked out too. And with the way things work if you had been kicked out and already baptized then anyone still in the church isn't allowed to communicate with you. It's absolutely insane and a total cult.
+Sydni Robinson To be fair, you look like the kind of person that calls
everything sexist and racist. But by what you've said, I think the cult
you're referring to are known as Jehova's Witnesses.
Wafflicious Studios no they were the first Philadelphians or something like that. They're a lot like Jehovah's Witnesses only they don't go door to door.
+Sydni Robinson Wow, that's definitely a cult.
Hope your mom doesn't feel bad about being kicked out because they made her a big favor.
no, no brad. dave didn't miss anything. to miss it, it would have to be something he wanted to see. he simply escaped it.
I'm sure you were shocked as everyone else was when this movie ranked #2 in the box office this weekend behind SOC. Evidently, Christians are hungry for faith-based films...no matter how insulting, patronizing and condescending the movies are...LOL
Yeah I was shocked to see that. On a fraction of the theaters that other new releases got as well. Yikes.
+Denise Faraday I'm a Christian, but this film was awful, condescending and completely sent the wrong message. It went against a LOT of my beliefs and was just bad in every way.
I'll go make a film called "burning atheists alive" and it'll make millions!
wait that's called God's not Dead
+Travikius R "God's Not Dead's" alternate title is "Human Roadkill."
George Pearson I'm very much a New Testament follower. Any laws that were in place by God or man before Jesus Christ were made redundant, with the exception of those that were repeated in the NT such as the commandments.
Also... 35:48 - 36:18 You, Dave sir, just nailed down why most people, even many of us Christians, hate these movies. These movies are just sermon illustrations, not real works of art. They're made to preach (even more blatant when movies like War Room or Courageous have actual sermons/challenges at the end), not to entertain, in an entertainment medium. These film makers think that because they have a message to preach, they can disregard such concepts as subtlety, form, creativity, or appeal. Which is sad, since we're supposed to be better than this... urgh...
I think it is even worse than that; these movies are all about the message AND THE MESSAGE IS FUCKING AWFUL.
TMonager High funny thing is, this doesn’t convert anyone a huge chunk of the time. It’s just pandering to people who are already in the club. A metaphorical handjob for those that already agree with the message and will like it no matter what, even if the message is shit like kill everyone who isn’t in the club and be suspicious of everybody.
You know what this movie needed. Tyler Perry.
Seriously, how did these people make a version of Diary of a Mad Black Woman that makes Diary of a Mad Black Woman look like an Academy Award winning film.
I kind of agree with Sarah's interpretation that, in the alternate universe of this movie, the wife takes the moral high road by conforming to the beliefs of the movie's intended audience. Everybody just agrees that the godly wife should submit and the godly husband should lead. The husband is going against the rules of the universe by being an ungodly man, and so the audience will see him as in the wrong and in need of correction. The movie's ideals are misogynistic of course, but the way it expresses them is very patronizing of men, if that makes any sense. By putting the onus on the wife to make things better, the movie takes control away from the husband, with the assumption he doesn't know any better and can't be expected to act decently without action by his wife and God. It's just another version of the old mentality about men being beastly and instinct-driven, and religion being the only cause that can make them care about right and wrong.
I think Sarah's right, this movie, in its own weird way, thinks a lot more highly of women than it does of men.
So either men are beasts that cannot control themselves without religion, or women should submit to the men they are married to, regardless of how abusive he is, and attempt to fix him?
The sad thing is...I know a woman whose husband was cheating on her...and all of her friends were suggesting she watch War room!! Fucking WHAT?!
+Ashley Moure That is probably the second worst advice a friend can give to someone being cheated on (the worst advice being murder). I hope this woman you know was able to see that her friends' suggestions were bullocks...
+TMonager High I hope so too!! She was a friend of a friend so I didn't know her personally. Otherwise I would have messaged her myself saying their advice was just awful -_-
"So what's your favorite room in the OH MY GOD SO MANY WHIPS AND STRAP-ONS"
Those who keep saying that movies such as "American Sniper" and "Act of Valor" are propaganda films, clearly haven't seen "War Room" and the "God's Not Dead" movies.
Social culture dictates that it can't be propaganda if it's supporting christians. It can look like a propaganda film, basically be a propaganda film, promote violence, try to start a call to arms, and spread whatever horrible message it wants.... BUT as long as it's a christian film, it's just sort-of OK for some reason because fuck actual logic. But the INSTANT you center it around the military or anything even remotely middle eastern, everyone will be right up your ass with claims about propaganda and how it's supporting Hitler or whatever stupid thing they want to talk about. Especially if it's anything remotely popular.
MadCap Productions look up the definition of propaganda then. there are tons of examples of the us using propaganda to promote military enrollment, there was the videogame America's Army and recently ads for indipendence day resurrection tie in, wonder how that worked out, the military doesn't know a flop when they see one apparently
America is a shithole
@@magusperde365 the south is, but the other parts are better
@@bluchicken_995 yeah " better" I like my big cities where a women ca walk the streets at 4 am drunk without fearing for her fucking life. And in general too, its still a shithole compared to the civilised world
and this movie is currently the number two movie in the country behind straight outta compton....let that sink in
+darkman060 they're the easiest to make. church groups eat that stuff up which means more box office revenue.
+LeoFan93 yea but still i wouldnt mind these kind of movies if they didnt make the characters in them either weak, stupid, or complete assholes and if the morals presented were a lot better than we got here
+LeoFan93 *sigh*....any good fall movies, anyone?
+Antonio Ortega I know i saw the previews for it on TV....couldn't even recognize him until someone pointed that out. that might be something to see...other than that and a few others, 2016 cannot come soon enough for me as far as movies go
+Antonio Ortega and deadpool, batman vs superman, and a whole lot more...honestly to me, 2015 was kinda a "meh" year for me movie wise
This may be my favorite Midnight Screening to date. Keep fighting the good fight, boys.
Brian got Food Poisoning?! DIVINE INTERVENTION!!
I love how the only good films that have anything to do with Christianity are either about Christmas(Home Alone, A Christmas Story, etc) or events in the Bible(The Prince Of Egypt, The Passion Of The Christ, The Ten Commandments, A Serious Man).
Maybe because they're good stories and well made film.
While this movies are pandering, offensive, extremely preachy and show "christian values" in the worst way possible.
+Kevin H. Pilgrim exactly my point
Noah is suppost to be good
...Passion of the Christ is torture porn.. not a movie.
Jesus Christ superstar.
Greatest thumbnail in the history of TH-cam. Dave's poker face just lets you know what you're in for.
Brad's fake laugh is one of my favorite things ever. i.e. 25:50
So this movie is Christian witchcraft? Because that whole 'War-room' sure sound like a ritual shrine, where she seek spiritual power to solve her problem magically.
The white woman in the poster is Beth Moore. Be thankful she didnt have enough screen time, her preaching is as about as crazy as she is. Whenever she preaches she gets progressively louder as the sermon goes on.
I went to a summer camp run by Baptists when I was a teen (don't worry, it's not crazy religious parents" thing. I had friends who said it was run) and one of the counselors there said she cared more about God than her husband. I'm just thinking "I'm pretty sure God can take care of himself, lady".
She also said she'd rather have us say something like "fuck" or "shit" than use "God" as an expletive. I was already really used to saying things like "oh my god" so I definitely accidentally irritated her that way, though it didn't bother me, since I'd already determined that she was one of those _crazy_ religious types, and had no intention of really _respecting_ her.
Abt the whole 'I'm here because of God' thing: I'm an agnostic adult, but I grew up catholic, w Catholic parents, going to catholic school. And in school, yea, they taught us that you should love God more than your parents, or your siblings, or even your future spouse.
We were taught that in like, 1st-2nd grade.
I still do have some faith, I'm not gonna shit on anyone's faith, but that's really messed up to guilt kids into putting their faith, which they probably don't completely understand at that point, over their mommies and/or daddies.
Same kind of upbringing here but I have no faith at all. The guilt trip in Catholicism is horrifyingly real. Then you have confession, about as degrading a ritual as there is.
Here here raises glass of coke
Might be good if the kid has abusive parents
Why is 43:09 to 43:40 one of the best parts in any Midnight Screenings ever
This aged like fine milk. “STOP IT WITH THE MILITARY ANALOGIES!” “A PICTURE OF WASHINGTON DC”. 1/6
35:46 "It's a fuck" My thoughts exactly, so glad I wasn't alone on that
I'm Christian, and I find this plot offensive. If your husband is a dick you shouldn't have to put up with that
I have a pretty good idea. In ither words: huckabee supporters
+Jack Rourke ugh I just threw up a little in my mouth. Those psychos need to just fade away
+Jack Rourke Aren't those called Southern Baptists?
No, the westboro baptist church are those idiots who picket funerals
Mike White oh my god, I'm not just talking about a church. ffs.
"And there's NO ice cream in this!" love that line
Being honest here this is the type of situation that after the events of the movie the father will most likely murder his wife (If his wife doesn't kill him first) and child, then he will be arrested and sentenced to death.
Why do I have a feeling that, after The Oogieloves, THIS is going to be next on the Cinema Snob Chopping Block?
Good call.
I always thought he wouldn't have had such an amazing change of heart (and personality) had he not lost his job.
Yay!! I'm glad TH-cam let a clip-less video of two people talking about a movie in Theatres stay on TH-cam. Great review as always! - Justin Simpson (GMD)
30:49
To this, I have only one thing I can say.
There is literally no extent to which you can exaggerate greed and/or selfishness to the point where it becomes totally unbelievable. If someone's enough of a prick, then there is literally no level someone is unwilling to stoop to, for how little an amount of money. And weirdly enough it becomes more and more likely that someone will do this the richer they get, you know?
loving the Kurt Vonnegut tattoo Dave!!
Doesn't it also say in the bible that you can't wear clothes made of mixed cloth?
I'm not trying to make a passive aggresive jab with that, I seriously want to know.
It does, but then again EVERYTHING is a sin according to the Bible, and most holy books for that manner.
Yes it says that. So no polyester!
Even going to the bathroom is a sin.
Hahaha
Yep. Nearest I can tell it was thrown in as sort of a jab towards pagans that had a mixing/unity thing going on at the time (like wearing clothes made of multiple materials).
Its long use as something of a legal text kinda fucked with the "original" messages and intents of the Bible in a *lot* of weird ways. Like how a lot of the animals marked as unclean were significantly more likely to transmit foodborne illnesses with the cooking techniques of the time.
There was a poster advertising this movie being played on my university campus. They were actually promising a free dinner to people who would see it. I thought that was pretty funny.
they had to bribe people to see the movie that was how disparate they were.
im sure jesus would approve of bribing people to see thrir shit movie lol
The college stoner would come just to satiate his munchies
To be fair, at least Tyler Perry had his main character separate from her cheating douche bag husband in Diary of a Mad Black Woman--both in the play and movie. But he's still an abysmal screenwriter and director.
I love that an ad for PureFlix popped up in the middle of this video for me. Oh irony, you delicious bastard.
The foot washing is a Christ thing. He washed and anointed his apostle's feet.
Actually it's a Middle Eastern tradition that predates Judaism (let alone Christianity and Islam) by several millennia. It is a sign of hospitality, and refusal to do so was viewed as an insult.
2:38 "Jesus take the wheel..."(Wait a minute he doesn't know how!)
I got an ad for the movie. Can't wait to see how it was!
I THOUGHT THIS WAS A DR STRANGELOVE REMAKE BOY WAS I SURPRISED
Ladies, you can't pray in here. This is the war room.
But you can't fight in the war room.
That picture of Dave is priceless! XD
Dave always looks so pissed off in Midnight Screenings, like he has to bite his tongue to not fly off the handle.
I wish that, in a twist, the black lady's advice is literal, and she's going to fight Satan with heavy munitions.
But then the movie might've actually been good.
So Doom with Doomchick instead of Doomguy?
A better twist would be she's the devil, keeping a woman in an abusive marriage sure sounds evil to me.
0:30 Hmm, the first thing I saw was Pray, Room, Door, Father. Is that the 2015 version of Man Door Hand Hook Car Door?
Hey Brad, will you review FireBird 2015 for New Years?
In my screening, when the movie ended, the audience applauded. I'm not joking. It actually happened!
+29AndreG Did the audience take it seriously, or was it snark bait?
harrietamidala1691 Apparently, they took it seriously.
+29AndreG I thought so too, though I was really hoping for the latter. I'm not surprised and rather scared. It reminds me of those Facebook posts feature pictures of ill children and asking people to write down AMEN! in the comments as if the power of prayer will help them heal from a distance, like audience clapping will bring Tinkerbell back to life. I can't stand those posts, and I feel sick when I see graphic pictures attached to them. It's disgusting.
@@harrietamidala1691 It's been years since I've seen those wretched posts. Especially when they post a picture of a child who has some type of deformity saying, Do you think I'm pretty? It was like this after I first got on Facebook. I hated this kind of exploitation on Facebook.
I think Dave died a little with Pray It Forward
surely the devil has better things to do like start another war or make another Tyler Perry movie , Jesus even a winters tale Will Smith was more proactive
Tell me, does your marriage bleed?
Pray it forward! Lmfao! Great review guys. I agreed on the points you made and it was great comedy too. 😂
I really want them to videotape Sarah watching War Room
You two relate well to each other. Are you more than just friends.
Pay It Forward was such a good movie
16:14 - 17:02 This is one of my major problems with these films, and one of my struggles with Christianity. The whole "The only help you'll ever need is prayer and Bible reading" idea... No, no it's not. That isn't all the help we need. Sometimes, that's not the help we need at all...
As to the comparisons with Fireproof... Eh, some ways Fireproof was better, some ways it was worse... not sure calling the two identical is entirely fair, though...
A lot of so-called "christians" seem to forget the whole "You need to meet God halfway" thing. Which is KIND-OF a pretty important detail to leave out because it means you actually have to do shit for God to be able to ACTUALLY help you with your problems!
*****
Not with the religion, but I have a problem with people telling others that God hates them unless they follow some form of unhealthy guideline or just happen to be born a certain way or if someone's just born with a different sexual orientation than is normal.
Believe whatever you want, but the moment your belief forces women to stay with a toxic relationship out of fear of god and causes actual psychological problems, THEN it becomes a problem.
Christian here, and I don’t know my Bible as well as I probably should, that said, I’m pretty sure infidelity is the only valid reason for divorce. And he was cheating on her. So I think even scriptural my a divorce is justified here. Correct me if I’m wrong.
You're right, Christ said divorce for sexual immorality is valid.
Tell 25 of your friends NOT to see this movie.
Can't wait for the "90 Minutes in Heaven" review. :)
Two guys parked on a dark secluded street in agreement.
Moral of the story : shout at the devil because it's his fault you have a prick for a husband
Now I got Motley Cure’s Shout at the Devil stuck in my head. I think listening to that would be more of a healthy lifestyle than watching this… propaganda film.
I live in Springfield Ohio and I would travel 5 hours to go see a movie with you guys
18:44 Divine Indigestion?
I bet Brad's look forward to seeing Scorsese's Silence when it comes out.
August has been the worst month for movies this year.
TH-cam gave me a PureFlix.com commercial before this review
Is it weird that this movie sounds like my mother?
15:22 - ...And from Stormy Daniels' book.
Hahahahaha I was high when I watched this. I felt like I was in a prison in my own head.
39:24 Awesome Kurt Vonnegut tattoo.
Sane Christians... I know you're out there. Let me ask you something: Could you guys start making GOOD movies again? 'cause I know it's possible; Prince of Egypt -for example- was great, and I don't even believe in any of that stuff!
+Kevin Lefebvre The problem with that the only ones of us with the resources to make a mainstream movie are the ones who are insane. I too wish we could start making good movies again...
prayer warrior = wish fighter
This movie is dangerous. Sends the wrong message. In every aspect. I believe in God. But I refuse to believe what people like my grandma believe. God condemns violence and unfaithfulness. The Bible states once abuse happens the covenant is broken so this movie is absolutely ridiculous and disgusting
Jesus is like Shemp trying to reform Moe and Larry in 'Heavenly Daze'!
17:48 Dave's most angry moment!!!
The Devil...and his sniper squad.
Sniper squad.
Sniiiii. Per. Squaaaaad...
I've heard some chirstans say that divorce is okay for there is spouse/child abuse
dave looked so pissed
Was this a Pureflix movie? Just curious.
Surprisingly, no.
Oh.
So this is the movie sound clips that was used in the Dream Child review. 😐
43:49 Wait the director himself makes a cameo in the movie?
Yeah, he plays Tony's boss, Coleman. It's in his Cinema Snob review of it and it's glorious.😁
If this truely was "Pray It Foward"... then at the end, while Ms. Clara is having her little insanity celebration, that same "25 Year Old" mugger would have broke into her house and stabbed her in the throat, stole her shit and got off scot free... but not before saying "Be sure to mention "Jesus"", because not enough last words involve Jesus."