Going to use this comment to address any corrections within the video :D 1. As another user pointed out. Messmer’s crusade did have to happen AFTER Marika ascended to godhood due to the text given in the “Remembrance of the Wild Boar Rider”
@@armandaneshjoo Gaius’ remembrance mentions how he and Messmer were like older brothers to Radahn, meaning that Marika (and Radagon) had to have ascended to godhood and have Radahn be born and grow up a bit with Messmer and Gaius before the crusade.
You should check out the parallels between Ranni and Miquella. Ranni was able to do a large part of what Miquella needed to do with half the effort. They both attempted to killed a half brother. They both divest themselves of their bodies/fate. Both of them want to start a new age but the only difference is that Miquella wanted to become a god. Miquella had to bewitch his allies to keep them around while Blaidd only “betrayed” Ranni because he was forced to. I don’t see a lot of people talking about these parallels.
I am still confused if: 1. The happenings in the Lands of Shadow happened first. Meaning, the purge of the Hornsents happened first thru Messmer. Or 2. Marika ascended to godhood, ruled the Lands Between, then had a peaceful tie with the Land of Shadow (thus the peaceful era where omens are accepted). Then she just returned to the Land of Shadow to wage war thru Messmer. The timing is complicated and if this is answered properly, I believe everything will make sense.
I believe the crusade occurred after the assimilation of the Carian family. Not before any of Renalla's children were born. As for Mesmer and Melina, I think Marika/Radagon just had them and everyone thought they were children of Godfrey or whoever she had an interest in. She was a goddess after all.
2:55 You said it!!! *Goddess!* now I've got to give this video a👍 Everyone else keeps saying "God" this, "God" that... it's like everyone intentionally forgot gender duality... 😅
@@ceci_ferrando I say it's a bad translation... 神 (Kami) *is gender neutral: God is *not gender neutral. - Or it's used in that statement to give us a *hint that Merika "isn't the one in shackles," it's Radagon? 🤔
I believe the “son” that Grandam says to take into battle IS the incantation she gives us, his vengeful spirit. She might be referring to hornsent himself, but the juxtaposition seems to imply it’s the spirit. It almost seems like she was initially intended to give us a spirit ash or something that was cut, but that’s baseless conjecture on my part.
Bonny isn't pronounced like bone-y, that kinda takes away the significance of it being called Bonny Village lol. And Mohg is mow-g, not 'mog', like this pronunciation is in the game into which you're deep diving
Unless I’m mistaken I don’t believe “Bonny Village” is mentioned verbally by any NPC, left up to interpretation on how to pronounce. And I don’t believe I mentioned Mohg anywhere in this video.
@@Vincentpanh my theory is that the jars are a means of creating a "Crucible", mixing together for them to be reborn as saints. This is considered a blessing
@@Dastardly_Duo I think so too, they mix rot meat, Hornsent meat and all kind of meat they can find with the Shaman. Maybe Marika is one of a few who become saint this way.
@@Vincentpanh I don't think they caught her. I think she used her veil to hide herself away and watched the brutality against her people. It's disgusting what people will do for the sake of their religious beliefs
Apparently the Japanese translation of shaman village is actually "shrine maiden village" or "Miko" village noting the female connotations of Marika's village. Miko in japan are female shamans similar to the oracles who perform rituals to commune the will of the gods or god. Essentially they are shrine keepers who take care of the shrines and heal, bless and guide people through rituals and medicine who are kind and always help those in need. Marika must have been a shrine maiden like her people which is why she maybe able to cast a healing incantation "the kindness of gold without the order". She was a shrine maiden before her village and the shrine maidens were dragged away by the "chosen people".
My guess is that’s it’s either Marika’s actual grandmother (as mentioned by the braid) or a figurative leader of the Shaman. Not convinced that’s Marika’s body however.
I think Marika betrayed her own people and the hornsent. I think she was a leader of the Shamans and she was working with the hornsent in their ritual to ascend to godhood. So o think she promised into being their god and creating a crucible age, instead she became her doom and create her own golden age with the help of the two-fingers ( or not because Ymir reveals the two-fingers are actually cut off from the greater will from the start so maybe everything related to the golden age is Marika wishes. )
I think it goes back to the hornsents. They are trying to make a Saint out of the Numens in the Bonny Village. Those who fail to become saints are stuffed in the jars, as mentioned by the weeping phantom who doesn't want to be stuffed in the jar and promised to be a saint if given a chance. My initial take is that, Marika successfully become a saint. To which she was given privilege to the doorsteps of the altar of divinity (or she has become "acceptable" and was offered to the "god" worshipped by the Hornsents). Then she killed that god, consumed it, and claim its power as her own. This answers the "seduction" and "betrayal" in the beginning
She left her son to rot, used her lovers and threw them in the garbage when she was done with them, only acknowledged children who were useful, and destroyed the very order of reality so she can sit her fat as on a throne forever. I think she is more then capable. She is a cunning selfish narcissistic psychopath bruh.
Messmers crusade happened after the liurnian wars it literally cannot be the betrayal mentioned as marika was already a god when she sent Messmer on crusade and Radahn was alive long enough for him to interact with Messmer A theory is only as good as it's research and this one needed more time
You are correct I did miss that detail from the Remembrance of the Boar Rider. Thanks for catching that. So yeah, Messmer’s crusade did happen AFTER she became a god, although, we still aren’t exactly clear what the “seduction and betrayal” were.
@@joesaiditstrue which doesn't make sense considering how the Minor Erdtree spell speaks to Marika's kindness without order which is why that incantation can't have been used there after she became a god and possed the elden ring the embodiment of order
@@MiNiSoTaN what if the seduction is referring to how Marika ascended to godhood? If we can go back to the trailer, she was pulling golden strands of hair from a different being covered with blood. Then she walks to the altar of divinity, walking barefoot on a flesh of some kind of a huge dead body. I am thinking that she seduced a god and killed and consumed it to have power and ascend to godhood. Thus the betrayal after the seduction. Also, we still don't have answers yet why Marika have a serpent bracers in the trailer.
We actually dont know nothing about her origins, her family and how she ascended to godhood, seduction of betrayal of what to whom? Nothing The Messmer storyline was completely wasted, the main quest and all quests were mostly related to Miquella There was only one quest related to Messmer and it was tonkill him in coop with another NPC
Going to use this comment to address any corrections within the video :D
1. As another user pointed out. Messmer’s crusade did have to happen AFTER Marika ascended to godhood due to the text given in the “Remembrance of the Wild Boar Rider”
@@armandaneshjoo Gaius’ remembrance mentions how he and Messmer were like older brothers to Radahn, meaning that Marika (and Radagon) had to have ascended to godhood and have Radahn be born and grow up a bit with Messmer and Gaius before the crusade.
I bet it was the hornsent themselves who sacrificed their own people to create the gates of divinity and Marika simply seized the opportunity.
Thanks for the shout out! We've only just scratched the surface and I look forward to more of you interpretation of the lore in the future!
You should check out the parallels between Ranni and Miquella. Ranni was able to do a large part of what Miquella needed to do with half the effort. They both attempted to killed a half brother. They both divest themselves of their bodies/fate. Both of them want to start a new age but the only difference is that Miquella wanted to become a god. Miquella had to bewitch his allies to keep them around while Blaidd only “betrayed” Ranni because he was forced to. I don’t see a lot of people talking about these parallels.
Great idea!
And they both have four hands.
I am still confused if:
1. The happenings in the Lands of Shadow happened first. Meaning, the purge of the Hornsents happened first thru Messmer.
Or
2. Marika ascended to godhood, ruled the Lands Between, then had a peaceful tie with the Land of Shadow (thus the peaceful era where omens are accepted). Then she just returned to the Land of Shadow to wage war thru Messmer.
The timing is complicated and if this is answered properly, I believe everything will make sense.
I believe the crusade occurred after the assimilation of the Carian family. Not before any of Renalla's children were born.
As for Mesmer and Melina, I think Marika/Radagon just had them and everyone thought they were children of Godfrey or whoever she had an interest in. She was a goddess after all.
2:55 You said it!!! *Goddess!*
now I've got to give this video a👍
Everyone else keeps saying "God" this, "God" that... it's like everyone intentionally forgot gender duality... 😅
The game itself refers to Marika as a "God", it's almost used as a neutral abstract term
@@ceci_ferrando The Finger Reader correctly refers to her as *Goddess Merika...
@@Visigoth_ "But even in shackles, she remains a god". The game uses both, both are valid. "God" is used as a neutral word for "divinity".
@@ceci_ferrando I say it's a bad translation... 神 (Kami) *is gender neutral: God is *not gender neutral.
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Or it's used in that statement to give us a *hint that Merika "isn't the one in shackles," it's Radagon? 🤔
I believe the “son” that Grandam says to take into battle IS the incantation she gives us, his vengeful spirit. She might be referring to hornsent himself, but the juxtaposition seems to imply it’s the spirit. It almost seems like she was initially intended to give us a spirit ash or something that was cut, but that’s baseless conjecture on my part.
Bonny isn't pronounced like bone-y, that kinda takes away the significance of it being called Bonny Village lol. And Mohg is mow-g, not 'mog', like this pronunciation is in the game into which you're deep diving
Unless I’m mistaken I don’t believe “Bonny Village” is mentioned verbally by any NPC, left up to interpretation on how to pronounce. And I don’t believe I mentioned Mohg anywhere in this video.
You must be fun at parties.
dont care if the game pronounced it as mow-g. only imbeciles pronounce it as mow fucking g lmfao its just mog deal with it
ah, the "uhhmmm actually" person, my favorite!
I think it's ironic Bonny means beautiful and tranquil
The Hornsent have a fcked up definition of beautiful and tranquil.
@@Vincentpanh my theory is that the jars are a means of creating a "Crucible", mixing together for them to be reborn as saints. This is considered a blessing
@@Dastardly_Duo I think so too, they mix rot meat, Hornsent meat and all kind of meat they can find with the Shaman. Maybe Marika is one of a few who become saint this way.
@@Vincentpanh I don't think they caught her. I think she used her veil to hide herself away and watched the brutality against her people. It's disgusting what people will do for the sake of their religious beliefs
Apparently the Japanese translation of shaman village is actually "shrine maiden village" or "Miko" village noting the female connotations of Marika's village. Miko in japan are female shamans similar to the oracles who perform rituals to commune the will of the gods or god. Essentially they are shrine keepers who take care of the shrines and heal, bless and guide people through rituals and medicine who are kind and always help those in need. Marika must have been a shrine maiden like her people which is why she maybe able to cast a healing incantation "the kindness of gold without the order". She was a shrine maiden before her village and the shrine maidens were dragged away by the "chosen people".
The Japanese word can mean both Shrine maiden or shaman.
We need a prequel game or movie for Elden Ring. So many questions, so few answers.
4th of July is Marika’s day 🇺🇸
That’s not a statue of Marika in the shaman village that’s her discarded body. The flesh she shed to ascend to godhood just like Miquella does
My guess is that’s it’s either Marika’s actual grandmother (as mentioned by the braid) or a figurative leader of the Shaman. Not convinced that’s Marika’s body however.
Because of the hair I'm going to guess that it's Marika, since it seems like a woman who just cut of her braid.
EDIT: Just a statue of her imo.
You think the statue that looks nothing like Marika is Marika? Hmm
In the jar? Oh no...
I think Marika betrayed her own people and the hornsent. I think she was a leader of the Shamans and she was working with the hornsent in their ritual to ascend to godhood. So o think she promised into being their god and creating a crucible age, instead she became her doom and create her own golden age with the help of the two-fingers ( or not because Ymir reveals the two-fingers are actually cut off from the greater will from the start so maybe everything related to the golden age is Marika wishes. )
I think it goes back to the hornsents. They are trying to make a Saint out of the Numens in the Bonny Village.
Those who fail to become saints are stuffed in the jars, as mentioned by the weeping phantom who doesn't want to be stuffed in the jar and promised to be a saint if given a chance.
My initial take is that, Marika successfully become a saint. To which she was given privilege to the doorsteps of the altar of divinity (or she has become "acceptable" and was offered to the "god" worshipped by the Hornsents).
Then she killed that god, consumed it, and claim its power as her own. This answers the "seduction" and "betrayal" in the beginning
She left her son to rot, used her lovers and threw them in the garbage when she was done with them, only acknowledged children who were useful, and destroyed the very order of reality so she can sit her fat as on a throne forever. I think she is more then capable. She is a cunning selfish narcissistic psychopath bruh.
Messmers crusade happened after the liurnian wars it literally cannot be the betrayal mentioned as marika was already a god when she sent Messmer on crusade and Radahn was alive long enough for him to interact with Messmer
A theory is only as good as it's research and this one needed more time
You are correct I did miss that detail from the Remembrance of the Boar Rider. Thanks for catching that.
So yeah, Messmer’s crusade did happen AFTER she became a god, although, we still aren’t exactly clear what the “seduction and betrayal” were.
@@MiNiSoTaNThere's a theory going around that Marika actually betrayed the shamans in order to gain access to the Hornsent's gate of divinity
@@joesaiditstrue which doesn't make sense considering how the Minor Erdtree spell speaks to Marika's kindness without order which is why that incantation can't have been used there after she became a god and possed the elden ring the embodiment of order
@@MiNiSoTaN what if the seduction is referring to how Marika ascended to godhood?
If we can go back to the trailer, she was pulling golden strands of hair from a different being covered with blood. Then she walks to the altar of divinity, walking barefoot on a flesh of some kind of a huge dead body.
I am thinking that she seduced a god and killed and consumed it to have power and ascend to godhood.
Thus the betrayal after the seduction.
Also, we still don't have answers yet why Marika have a serpent bracers in the trailer.
S/o jack
Keep cooking
Why can I only dislike once
Disliked it again just for you
We actually dont know nothing about her origins, her family and how she ascended to godhood, seduction of betrayal of what to whom? Nothing
The Messmer storyline was completely wasted, the main quest and all quests were mostly related to Miquella
There was only one quest related to Messmer and it was tonkill him in coop with another NPC
We do.
@@Markadown we dont
Getting stuffed in a jar isn’t even that bad. Solo queuing on Rocket League though…