Since years you try to setter it and still fail. The debate is still very much alive and guess what.. Will slowly come back with Cr7 performing better in the upcoming years
That is not a debate at all Maradona played under the influence of cocaine and he publicly confessed that he did and then apologized for it. Maradona eliminated England with a HANDBALL to win his only World Cup. Maradona's stats are not remotely close to those of Messi. Maradona 1st game 1976 Argentinos Jrs. last decent game 1991 then 15-month ban for failing a drug test, Maradona left Napoli in disgrace in 1992. Maradona was not even close to the PERSON that Messi is. Just in case you do not know Maradona served as a mouthpiece for the Castros Dictators so that he could visit Cuba as a Latin American Ambassador of the regimen to abuse minor girls and do drugs as he pleased. MARADONA SHOULD NOT BE COMPARED TO MESSI AT ANYTHING, NOT AS A PLAYER, NOT AS A MAN, NOT AS A HUMAN BEING, HE EVEN SPOKE ILL OF MESSI AND EVERYONE ELSE OF THE NATIONAL TEAM OF ARGENTINA. ABOUT SCALONI HE SAID THAT WAS ONLY GOOD TO BE THE COACH OF THE MOTORCYCLE TEAM, BUT NOT OF FOOTBALL, SCALONI MISTER OF FOOTBALL? ESO NUNCA. MARADONA COULD HAVE BEEN BUT HE WAS PURE TRASH A TOTAL DISGRACE. MARADONA SHOULD NEVER EVER BE IN THE SAME PAGE WITH MESSI, CRISTIANO, OR PELE. HE WAS A CHEATER ALWAYS PLAYING JUICED.
@@lavoznailim7823kid, i prefer Messi over Maradona, but all that shit u say are Just bullshit! Take Cocaine Was Only a Malus for Maradona and Not a Plus to help him to play Better! U dont know shit
Every man is in his prime during the years of 20-27 or so..just a fact of human biology especially in a sport like football..why do you think every footballer retires before they hit 35 or so..what do they loose..ask yourself this question..every outfield player at least is in their primes between the ages of 20-27 or so..
@@hemulinkullidoesn't matter bro. The facts check out. If the stats says he's at his peak at 50 years, then it is. Not everyone is the same. He's still playing at 38, so your argument is weak as hell
@@goalyes6230 yeah my argument is weak as hell but not a single outfield player in modern football history has played over 40..you are sn idiot,no offence..why is every short sprint world record made before the age of 28 or so!?of course you become more intelligent as you age but you decline in physical qualities..açceleration,agility,top speed all of these start to decline after 27 or so..depends entirely in which position you play in the field..
@@goalyes6230 i don't know why put everytime i try to respond to you my messages gets deleted..sure as you become older you become more smarter but physically you are at your peak between the years 20- 27 or so..after those years you loose speed,agility,açceleration but but
@@muhammadzulhilmi6641that’s not the point. Henry may think Messi is the better player that doesn’t mean Henry thinks that it was never a debate or that cristiano is only a goal scorer. For correlation the claim is stupid, Ronaldo has one of the highest amounts of assist, has been nominated most of his career as a pure winger and has been active within the middle field and attacking play of his game until 2021 (post Juve it changed). To claim to Ronaldo is only a goal scorer directly discredits 90% of football players ever
@@Chickenmcmuggetenjoyeranyone can't be messi but anyone can be Ronaldo. We still saw messi in Maradona but we never saw Ronaldo . He is scoring bangers from so far away but they are the greatest of all times both of them and except for pele no one can judge them no one....
@@themenacingbeast5437 nono why they shine today is because of. His inspiration... ... Nono their are 600 millions and other in this planet who admire christiano ..
She did, that is an outrageous claim by Carragher and even Henry knows it. To claim that a guy with over 200 assists, who played most of his career as a winger and who until 2015-2016 was constituting the attacking game of his team is just a goal scorer is outrageous. A goal scorer doesn’t have over 60% G/A participation when his team wins. A goal scorer doesn’t have the most assists in UCL. A goal scorer doesn’t have 70% of his teams G/A when they win in EUROS. Callagher has that anti United bias which is ok considering he is a die hard Liverpool and anti United/madrid.
Totally at Carragher side. I can't even understand why this has always been a debate appart from the fact that media needs to create debates constantly, but the only thing you need is to use your eyes and try to leave your love for your team or nation appart and try to see reality. Cristiano is the best goal scorer of all time while Messi is as good goal scorer as Cristiano plus one of the best playmakers of all time, plus one of the most intelligent guys on the pitch, plus the best dribbler ever, plus the player with more goals contributions (goals + assists) and a long etc... and all this without even mentioning all his awards, that he has won all the tittles he can win and he is the player that has won more tittles in football history. I never like to inlcude team tittles in a comparison based on individuals but this is just for those who were always disrespectful wirh Messi because he had no tittles with Argentina. Now that is over, and I know some people hate it because they thought Messi was going to retire with 0 international tittles with Argentina, but that totally changed at the end of his carreer.
It was a debate because at the point when they had 5 Ballon Dors each, Ronaldo was the guy who had done it in the two best leagues, won a Ballon Dor and UCL in both teams whilst being the most valued player, won his country their first international trophies despite playing with a weaker side, and being the best UCL player of all time. For the record, I think Messi is quite a lot better than Ronaldo but the debate is easy to make. CR7s advantage was the fact that he could and had done it in multiple teams whereas Messi looked like more of a Barcelona player, and even after leaving their spanish clubs, Ronaldo kept up his numbers at Juve while Messi had a lesser time at PSG. Without his more recent international wins, this debate may never have been settled.
@@doorknob4789 See, this is the misconception, Real Madrid won UCLs, Portugal won the Euro, not Ronaldo by himself. This race of team trophies is very misleading, even though Messi has the most now, players like Maxwell or Dani Alves were first at some time, yet you never hear that they won trophies for their teams or that they did it in multiple teams. What Ronaldo won by himself are the Ballon d'Ors but even those were direct consequences of his teams successes. When people say it was never a debate, it's referring to the player as an individual because the impact Messi by himself had on his team's play is far greater than Ronaldo had at Manchester United in 2008 (when he was individually at his best). This debate of who is the better player only started in 2009 with his transfer at Real Madrid, because the media in Madrid were looking to contrast Messi's explosion after Barcelona's sextuple year. And all this marketing and the influence of the media in Madrid earned him a Ballon d'Or in 2013, a year where, by the way, Real Madrid didn't win a single trophy, yet Ronaldo was the best player individually because Messi was plagued with injuries that season.
@@alexpopa5436 I fully understand what you're saying, and although Messi is the better player, everything you just said can be applied to Messi. World class players like Dani Alves doing it in several teams isn't exactly relevant when explaining the source of debate between Ronaldo and Messi. Ronaldos impact on the Portugal national team is what partly earnt him the 2016 Ballon Dor. Its no coincidence that they win their first major trophies during the prime period of one of the greatest players to kick ball. His 2008 campaign with United is all him. The things he did in that UCL run and the form he had throughout the season is outstanding. Ronaldos impact on Madrid is scarcely different from Messis impact on Barca. Both teams were already successful and both teams benefited from these goat players. The big difference was that we knew Ronaldo could do it in different teams, meaning he did not rely on them to be a great player. Messi played with a stacked Barca team his whole career and his move to PSG saw his stats decline in comparison to before. Messis injury may have helped Ronaldo aquire his 2013 award, but Ronaldos injury worked the same way for Messi in 2015. Without international success, the debate still stood strong, despite Messi having better statistics.
Carra is sort of right, but that random American player was also right. Early Ronaldo at man united was arguably as good as Messi ever was. People get caught up on the goal scorer Ronaldo became at Madrid, but the quality Ronaldo showed at Man U was out of this world. Stats are just one part of the game, but Ronaldo’s ability at Man U was by far the best he ever showed. Almost every goal he scored was puskas level, with goals shot from half field, perfectly taken free kicks, etc. He also showcased a level of control and movement with the ball that rivaled players like Maradona, Messi, pele, R9, Ronaldinho, etc. Purely on a technical and ball playing perspective, Ronaldo was at his prime at Man U. That Man U Ronaldo was arguably just as good as Messi in his prime. With that being said though, Messi is still better. I always preferred watching Ronaldo more/liked him more as a player, but you can’t know anything about fútbol and claim Ronaldo was ever better. Messi just epitomizes natural talent, and a level of control over the ball that is in many ways unrivaled. Messi has also been a lot more consistent with his ability throughout his career, and to this day still showcases quality on the ball. On top of that Messi has the numbers and accolades to go along with the consistency of his quality(ie. Did not have to sacrifice his skill/ability to be able to achieve that). That’s what makes both of them special tbh, as they achieved said numbers/trophies while still showcasing amazing talent, but Ronaldo started to drop off once he joined Madrid(he had to change his game to keep up with those numbers). What makes Messi more “special”/unique though, is that he did it while keeping his ability more consistent/his quality was a lot cleaner(basically never looked bad/still showcased unrivaled talent while achieving this). Just watch how Messi moves with the ball(especially in his prime). It looks like the ball is glued to his foot, and the quick sharp movements he makes are almost unnatural. A lot of it is just his body shape, his natural talent, and his balance. He’s a player whose ability/style will likely never be replicated. So I personally prefer to watch the old Man U Ronaldo, but Messi overall has just always been the better player.
Real Madrid as an organization forced the conversation as if it were ever a debate. It was never a debate. For all the greatness CR7 has, his one flaw was ever thinking he was better than Messi. He could've just accepted that sometimes the world is unfair and no matter how hard you work somewhere there is a kid that was just given a gift you'll never be able to reach. CR7 is still a great and he will be remembered for a long time, but he was never in contention as the GOAT. He had years where you could say he was the best of that year, but never was he considered the best of all time.
Yes TAPPINALDO is an Average player, Penaltido is a penalty man, he is a scorer he has to score but messi as a play maker has more goals than your scorer and as a SCORER ASSISTS and play makes more than play makers, most solo GOALS, best dribbler, best passer, best free kick taker , most decorated player in HISTORY, and WORLD CUP 🏆were is cr7👈😭😭😭😭😭😭
@@zxtsfHE is most definitely not an average player, Messi is top 1 Ronaldo is 2 and they up their BY far. Statistical anonalies in terms if g/a no one And legit no one has reached their number yet. They are top2. He might not be Messi but he isn't just a tapin merchant
@@zxtsfalso no Ronaldo has more goals but messi has a better ratio with assist, Messi have has achieved a better record than Ronaldo thay why he is better
Yeah; carragher was right. Is a mismatch , they r not co-equal . One is general n the other is magician. U see the team player is different from goal scorer. Team player does everything including scoring, assisting, skeaming n winning more man of the matches award than every player the millennium. Messi now compared to world Pele alone bc he has now surpass every player on this planet. BRAVO BRAVO BRAVO TO. LEO..........
Look Ronaldo has the Mamba mentality, however Messi also worked extremely hard, maybe not as hard as Ronaldo, but you don't get to this level and keep this level for ~20 years by not working hard and taking care of your body.
That's the weakest argument ever, Millions of Nationals try to become Proffesional but only players with gifted abilities get to play in the 11, so the point is it is never only about hardwork everyone does that fitness enthusiasts etc,The debate is who has better abilities. not better abs.
if messi was as selfish as ronaldo, he would've gotten way more goals. messi gave up a lot of penalty goals away to teammates while ronaldo always took them. if messi was more selfish, he could've gotten at least 100 more goals.
Neymar was never even half the player Messi was lmfao, and he never won the D'or at Barca. Also Ronaldo vs Messi was a debate till 2018, only after that Messi took over. So Caragghers opinion makes no sense
Carragher is completely right. I don't believe people don't back him up on this. It's glaringly obvious. It was a stupid debate. Messi left leg alone has more talent than Ronaldo whole body. I mean, come on !
As a Messi fan its always been a close debate Cristiano is a machine but i think now after the 2024 Copa America, Cristiano absolutely has to win the 2026 world cup and probably reach 1000 goals to be considered the greatest. In pure footballing terms, its Messi all day long and his achievements are also superior. Both GOATS but there can only be one undisputed and thats Messi now.
@@roryelliott8689 How’s Cristiano a goal machine when Messi has highest goals conversion rate? This debate was just to boost views and simply because Ronaldo was playing in Real Madrid and Messi in Barca which were two rivals. In reality Ronaldo is not an inch close to Messi . Please subscribe
@user-cz6bm8qr6s I never said goal machine??! Cristiano is machine because of his dedication, work ethic ability to score all types of goals. Trust me, I know Messi is better I've debated with so many people but i still give CR7 his respect. HIs movement and ability to find the net is special but I much prefer Messi style of play its incredible to watch.
Cristiano Ronaldo is a great player and the fact that we can only compare Cristiano to Messi and Messi to CR7 IS A CREDIT TO BOTH PLAYERS. The thing is that because they are so much better than the rest of the field when you compare Messi's 374 assists to CR7's 252 with 164 fewer games played THERE IS NO ARGUMENT ABOUT WHO IS A MORE COMPLETE PLAYER. Then you have to add all the other stats In the Leagues and Champions League since 2009/10, Messi has made 1420 key passes in 599 appearances, CR7 has made 944 key passes in 561 appearances. Messi also dominates the throughball statistics, making 450 successful throughballs in that same time period, compared to Ronaldo's 81 successful throughballs. Messi often comes deep to receive the ball, dribbling is still a major part of Messi's game, completing an incredible 3131 dribbles in the league and Champions League, compared to Ronaldo's 1683 successful dribbles. NO OTHER PLAYER CAN COME CLOSE TO CR7 AND MESSI BUT MESSI IS THE CLEAR WINNER AND THAT IS THE REASON WHY MESSI HAS SO MUCH MORE TROPHIES AND INDIVIDUAL AWARDS..END OF THE ARGUMENT BECAUSE THERE IS NO ARGUMENT.
wasn't a debate in my opinion. Ronaldo is/was a great great player, but Messi was clearly a step above. Notice how the pundits and other players would compare Ronaldo to Messi. But they compare Messi to Pele and Maradona. That always sealed it for me.
He was right even at United Messi was a,ways clear. The only time it was close was in terms of goals. Outside of that if we’re talking about ability Messi was always better and he showed that in the World Cup.
Ronaldo went to one of the best teams in that saudi leage and lost titles. Messi went to mls WORST team, won a title and now they are TOP of the league on points…FROM THE BOTTOM
One World Cup. The time that Pelé played was much different then the time Messi played. Pelé played for Santos and New York Cosmos. Pelé never won the European Cup. For me Pelé is the second greatest player off all time.
carragher is clown. He hates Ronaldo cause of 2006 WC penalties and many premier league defeats against GOAT. Cristiano is by fare most complete player of all time and messi is literally ,,one club wonder'' as david beckham once said.
Which other player has played in one club and achieved what Messi has achieved? The idea that Messi played in one club wonder is lame and it’s not even an excuse to why he’s achieved this big in football.
@@user-cz6bm8qr6s if you think messi would perform well all season in england you have no clue about football. Its completely different intensity than in Spain. Which player has played in one club and achieved what messi achieved? Many. I also know players who achieved in 3 years what messi achieved in entire career. For example Toni kross has 3 UCL in 3 years and messi has 3 UCL in 20 years AHAHAHAHHA
@@eolaaole6691that argument is squashed messi has 1 less goal than ronaldo against the top 6 in England yet he never played there TRY AGAIN 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ronaldo owns Jamie carragher the only good trophies that clown won is 1 ucl and 1 Europa league. Ronaldo won 5 times his ucls, won a euro and won a lot of leagues unlike that clown
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100% facts, no even a debate ,never was
Since years you try to setter it and still fail. The debate is still very much alive and guess what.. Will slowly come back with Cr7 performing better in the upcoming years
@@muhammed-yusuf959 No. Bc Messi is performing better than him.
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@@elizabethcsicsery-ronay1633in a bot league, also destroyed by al nassr
@@muhammed-yusuf959 in the upcoming years you said and you believe THAT CRAP? Boy Muhammed you are special one in the upcoming years 💀💀💀💀
He is not biased and very correct 💯
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This is exactly why u ended up as a pessi fan
@@flashnationroblox4473 your delusional if you think ronaldo is better
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A real debate would be Messi & Maradona. CR39 was never close.
Why Maradona?
That is not a debate at all Maradona played under the influence of cocaine and he publicly confessed that he did and then apologized for it. Maradona eliminated England with a HANDBALL to win his only World Cup. Maradona's stats are not remotely close to those of Messi. Maradona 1st game 1976 Argentinos Jrs. last decent game 1991 then 15-month ban for failing a drug test, Maradona left Napoli in disgrace in 1992. Maradona was not even close to the PERSON that Messi is. Just in case you do not know Maradona served as a mouthpiece for the Castros Dictators so that he could visit Cuba as a Latin American Ambassador of the regimen to abuse minor girls and do drugs as he pleased. MARADONA SHOULD NOT BE COMPARED TO MESSI AT ANYTHING, NOT AS A PLAYER, NOT AS A MAN, NOT AS A HUMAN BEING, HE EVEN SPOKE ILL OF MESSI AND EVERYONE ELSE OF THE NATIONAL TEAM OF ARGENTINA. ABOUT SCALONI HE SAID THAT WAS ONLY GOOD TO BE THE COACH OF THE MOTORCYCLE TEAM, BUT NOT OF FOOTBALL, SCALONI MISTER OF FOOTBALL? ESO NUNCA. MARADONA COULD HAVE BEEN BUT HE WAS PURE TRASH A TOTAL DISGRACE. MARADONA SHOULD NEVER EVER BE IN THE SAME PAGE WITH MESSI, CRISTIANO, OR PELE. HE WAS A CHEATER ALWAYS PLAYING JUICED.
Or the real Ronaldo R9, was leagues better than CR7
@@lavoznailim7823 You're right.
@@lavoznailim7823kid, i prefer Messi over Maradona, but all that shit u say are Just bullshit!
Take Cocaine Was Only a Malus for Maradona and Not a Plus to help him to play Better! U dont know shit
Carragher splitting facts
According to pepsi
The clown "when Ronaldo was his prime at United"...Jamie correctly "Ronaldo wasnt at his prime at United"...
Every man is in his prime during the years of 20-27 or so..just a fact of human biology especially in a sport like football..why do you think every footballer retires before they hit 35 or so..what do they loose..ask yourself this question..every outfield player at least is in their primes between the ages of 20-27 or so..
@@hemulinkullidoesn't matter bro. The facts check out. If the stats says he's at his peak at 50 years, then it is. Not everyone is the same. He's still playing at 38, so your argument is weak as hell
@@goalyes6230 yeah my argument is weak as hell but not a single outfield player in modern football history has played over 40..you are sn idiot,no offence..why is every short sprint world record made before the age of 28 or so!?of course you become more intelligent as you age but you decline in physical qualities..açceleration,agility,top speed all of these start to decline after 27 or so..depends entirely in which position you play in the field..
@@goalyes6230 as you age past 27 or so you become more smarter on the pitch but you decline in physical qualities..fact of human biology..
@@goalyes6230 i don't know why put everytime i try to respond to you my messages gets deleted..sure as you become older you become more smarter but physically you are at your peak between the years 20- 27 or so..after those years you loose speed,agility,açceleration but but
Even Henry dropped his mic because he knows it was never a debate
What do you mean? He dropped because he doesn't agree right?
@@berkhimself Nahhh. Henry always goes for messi.
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@@muhammadzulhilmi6641that’s not the point. Henry may think Messi is the better player that doesn’t mean Henry thinks that it was never a debate or that cristiano is only a goal scorer. For correlation the claim is stupid, Ronaldo has one of the highest amounts of assist, has been nominated most of his career as a pure winger and has been active within the middle field and attacking play of his game until 2021 (post Juve it changed). To claim to Ronaldo is only a goal scorer directly discredits 90% of football players ever
@@Chickenmcmuggetenjoyeranyone can't be messi but anyone can be Ronaldo. We still saw messi in Maradona but we never saw Ronaldo . He is scoring bangers from so far away but they are the greatest of all times both of them and except for pele no one can judge them no one....
Never been close. Only children think Ronaldo is better.
Yes All the children like rodrygo vini , sabozli , Martineli ,cane, khivic , halland , mbape ,saka, endric
@@bevekanandaaribam262 you exactly just named the kids, legends had said it, Messi is the greatest, was never close.
@@bevekanandaaribam262 Glad we agree
@@themenacingbeast5437 Because Ronaldo already fucked everyone that's why they hated him everyone like goalkeepers
@@themenacingbeast5437 nono why they shine today is because of. His inspiration... ... Nono their are 600 millions and other in this planet who admire christiano ..
Hes speaking facts
not a big fan of jamie but he was right here
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Penaldo fans claiming the woman destroyed carragher 😂
Facts
She did, that is an outrageous claim by Carragher and even Henry knows it. To claim that a guy with over 200 assists, who played most of his career as a winger and who until 2015-2016 was constituting the attacking game of his team is just a goal scorer is outrageous. A goal scorer doesn’t have over 60% G/A participation when his team wins. A goal scorer doesn’t have the most assists in UCL. A goal scorer doesn’t have 70% of his teams G/A when they win in EUROS. Callagher has that anti United bias which is ok considering he is a die hard Liverpool and anti United/madrid.
@@Chickenmcmuggetenjoyer she did not .she just stated that carragher was called a donkey by Messi which just showed.how unbias carragher is
@@Chickenmcmuggetenjoyer Messi won 6 golden.boots . Ronaldo 4
@@kakarot8856 a)That showcases what excatly? And yes she did! She just used it as a fun tone to get rid of the bias that carragher clearly has
It was never a debate, true.
Totally at Carragher side. I can't even understand why this has always been a debate appart from the fact that media needs to create debates constantly, but the only thing you need is to use your eyes and try to leave your love for your team or nation appart and try to see reality.
Cristiano is the best goal scorer of all time while Messi is as good goal scorer as Cristiano plus one of the best playmakers of all time, plus one of the most intelligent guys on the pitch, plus the best dribbler ever, plus the player with more goals contributions (goals + assists) and a long etc... and all this without even mentioning all his awards, that he has won all the tittles he can win and he is the player that has won more tittles in football history. I never like to inlcude team tittles in a comparison based on individuals but this is just for those who were always disrespectful wirh Messi because he had no tittles with Argentina. Now that is over, and I know some people hate it because they thought Messi was going to retire with 0 international tittles with Argentina, but that totally changed at the end of his carreer.
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Now another Copa America
It was a debate because at the point when they had 5 Ballon Dors each, Ronaldo was the guy who had done it in the two best leagues, won a Ballon Dor and UCL in both teams whilst being the most valued player, won his country their first international trophies despite playing with a weaker side, and being the best UCL player of all time. For the record, I think Messi is quite a lot better than Ronaldo but the debate is easy to make. CR7s advantage was the fact that he could and had done it in multiple teams whereas Messi looked like more of a Barcelona player, and even after leaving their spanish clubs, Ronaldo kept up his numbers at Juve while Messi had a lesser time at PSG. Without his more recent international wins, this debate may never have been settled.
@@doorknob4789 See, this is the misconception, Real Madrid won UCLs, Portugal won the Euro, not Ronaldo by himself. This race of team trophies is very misleading, even though Messi has the most now, players like Maxwell or Dani Alves were first at some time, yet you never hear that they won trophies for their teams or that they did it in multiple teams. What Ronaldo won by himself are the Ballon d'Ors but even those were direct consequences of his teams successes. When people say it was never a debate, it's referring to the player as an individual because the impact Messi by himself had on his team's play is far greater than Ronaldo had at Manchester United in 2008 (when he was individually at his best). This debate of who is the better player only started in 2009 with his transfer at Real Madrid, because the media in Madrid were looking to contrast Messi's explosion after Barcelona's sextuple year. And all this marketing and the influence of the media in Madrid earned him a Ballon d'Or in 2013, a year where, by the way, Real Madrid didn't win a single trophy, yet Ronaldo was the best player individually because Messi was plagued with injuries that season.
@@alexpopa5436 I fully understand what you're saying, and although Messi is the better player, everything you just said can be applied to Messi. World class players like Dani Alves doing it in several teams isn't exactly relevant when explaining the source of debate between Ronaldo and Messi. Ronaldos impact on the Portugal national team is what partly earnt him the 2016 Ballon Dor. Its no coincidence that they win their first major trophies during the prime period of one of the greatest players to kick ball. His 2008 campaign with United is all him. The things he did in that UCL run and the form he had throughout the season is outstanding. Ronaldos impact on Madrid is scarcely different from Messis impact on Barca. Both teams were already successful and both teams benefited from these goat players. The big difference was that we knew Ronaldo could do it in different teams, meaning he did not rely on them to be a great player. Messi played with a stacked Barca team his whole career and his move to PSG saw his stats decline in comparison to before. Messis injury may have helped Ronaldo aquire his 2013 award, but Ronaldos injury worked the same way for Messi in 2015. Without international success, the debate still stood strong, despite Messi having better statistics.
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I mean he is absolutely right.
And your absolutely wrong like him
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For you maybe yes cause you are mad barcelona fangirl and loser
Why are you talking if you have no clue about football
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Messi calls him a donkey but he still says Messi is the goat
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There was never a debate. Messi by far.
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Your delusional. And don’t understand the prowess of a traditional system. Come back once you’ve understood football.
Agreed never a debate
Carra is sort of right, but that random American player was also right. Early Ronaldo at man united was arguably as good as Messi ever was. People get caught up on the goal scorer Ronaldo became at Madrid, but the quality Ronaldo showed at Man U was out of this world. Stats are just one part of the game, but Ronaldo’s ability at Man U was by far the best he ever showed. Almost every goal he scored was puskas level, with goals shot from half field, perfectly taken free kicks, etc. He also showcased a level of control and movement with the ball that rivaled players like Maradona, Messi, pele, R9, Ronaldinho, etc. Purely on a technical and ball playing perspective, Ronaldo was at his prime at Man U. That Man U Ronaldo was arguably just as good as Messi in his prime. With that being said though, Messi is still better. I always preferred watching Ronaldo more/liked him more as a player, but you can’t know anything about fútbol and claim Ronaldo was ever better. Messi just epitomizes natural talent, and a level of control over the ball that is in many ways unrivaled. Messi has also been a lot more consistent with his ability throughout his career, and to this day still showcases quality on the ball. On top of that Messi has the numbers and accolades to go along with the consistency of his quality(ie. Did not have to sacrifice his skill/ability to be able to achieve that). That’s what makes both of them special tbh, as they achieved said numbers/trophies while still showcasing amazing talent, but Ronaldo started to drop off once he joined Madrid(he had to change his game to keep up with those numbers). What makes Messi more “special”/unique though, is that he did it while keeping his ability more consistent/his quality was a lot cleaner(basically never looked bad/still showcased unrivaled talent while achieving this). Just watch how Messi moves with the ball(especially in his prime). It looks like the ball is glued to his foot, and the quick sharp movements he makes are almost unnatural. A lot of it is just his body shape, his natural talent, and his balance. He’s a player whose ability/style will likely never be replicated. So I personally prefer to watch the old Man U Ronaldo, but Messi overall has just always been the better player.
Real Madrid as an organization forced the conversation as if it were ever a debate. It was never a debate. For all the greatness CR7 has, his one flaw was ever thinking he was better than Messi. He could've just accepted that sometimes the world is unfair and no matter how hard you work somewhere there is a kid that was just given a gift you'll never be able to reach. CR7 is still a great and he will be remembered for a long time, but he was never in contention as the GOAT. He had years where you could say he was the best of that year, but never was he considered the best of all time.
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Yes TAPPINALDO is an Average player, Penaltido is a penalty man, he is a scorer he has to score but messi as a play maker has more goals than your scorer and as a SCORER ASSISTS and play makes more than play makers, most solo GOALS, best dribbler, best passer, best free kick taker , most decorated player in HISTORY, and WORLD CUP 🏆were is cr7👈😭😭😭😭😭😭
@@zxtsfHE is most definitely not an average player, Messi is top 1 Ronaldo is 2 and they up their BY far. Statistical anonalies in terms if g/a no one And legit no one has reached their number yet. They are top2.
He might not be Messi but he isn't just a tapin merchant
@@zxtsfalso no Ronaldo has more goals but messi has a better ratio with assist, Messi have has achieved a better record than Ronaldo thay why he is better
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Henry's reaction 😮💀
That’s what it is, simple and short, Ronaldo is not even close to Messi
it was settled a while ago
It was never a debate... Messi was always
better even when Ronaldo was at Man utd Messi was always better
With steroids
Debate ended in 2016 when CR7 won the Euro and Messi chose to quit International Games.
Respect the Goats but Jamie’s opinion is biased
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@@Godzilla_youtube_editzthen who is the goat? Pele? Maradona? Don’t tell me you are pendo fan
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@@iulrisbc no one's a goat
Messi is goat but Ronaldo is GOAT
You know when pundits are truly done when they keep talking about the same things over and over again , messi vs Ronaldo
It is an old interview.
Also Messi and Cristiano are on the same level as Pele Vs Maradona. The topic will always be relevant.
It was never a debate, Messi was always light years ahead of Cristiana Penaldo the diva lol
Mourinho once said "he speaks alot for someone who is not top 1000 defenders"
Yeah; carragher was right. Is a mismatch , they r not co-equal . One is general n the other is magician. U see the team player is different from goal scorer. Team player does everything including scoring, assisting, skeaming n winning more man of the matches award than every player the millennium. Messi now compared to world Pele alone bc he has now surpass every player on this planet. BRAVO BRAVO BRAVO TO. LEO..........
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ronaldo is for kids - work hard achieve everything
messi is for grown ups - know your limits, which you can never cross
So you saying hard work is for kids and know your limit is adult. You are a stupid messi fan
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All these Messi fanboys commenting 💀, they are both great players
100% correct Carra!
Christynaldo is obsessed with Messi but Messi only cares about Argentina. Nobody has ever called Ronalpen a Genius, an Alien or The GOAT
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Ronaldo can not create something out of nothing.
Messi CAN
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Excuse me, what debate?
Ronaldo's greatest accomplishment is being associated with the goat. 3 Ballon D'or and 2 golden boots ahead of that clown
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Messi debat was with Maradona and pele not with ronaldo and the debat was finish in 2022
Never a debate !! Some Sports have undisputed Kings - Its like Tom Brady to NFL, MJ to Basket ball, Lin Dan to Badminton
Fifa made messi famous...
Hardwork over talent is never a debate
Look Ronaldo has the Mamba mentality, however Messi also worked extremely hard, maybe not as hard as Ronaldo, but you don't get to this level and keep this level for ~20 years by not working hard and taking care of your body.
That's the weakest argument ever, Millions of Nationals try to become Proffesional but only players with gifted abilities get to play in the 11, so the point is it is never only about hardwork everyone does that fitness enthusiasts etc,The debate is who has better abilities. not better abs.
Ronaldo was also talented, Messi also worked hard@@abdulrehmanamir502
Talent will always beat hard work. You can't work yourself to something that god gifted a person
if messi was as selfish as ronaldo, he would've gotten way more goals. messi gave up a lot of penalty goals away to teammates while ronaldo always took them. if messi was more selfish, he could've gotten at least 100 more goals.
Who is Jamie? And the panel, Henri looking embarrassed ....
This woman destroyed Carragher's whole career.
You wish
You’re deluded
How ? She is just asking questions
@@efenuma just watch the video
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I know
Ok next time
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Neymar would have been more close to messi if he would have stayed at Barca . And he still is for those who have minds
Neymar was never even half the player Messi was lmfao, and he never won the D'or at Barca. Also Ronaldo vs Messi was a debate till 2018, only after that Messi took over. So Caragghers opinion makes no sense
@@herohunter5961 did you watch 2021 copa final ? He was unstoppable . I also know that messi is the best in the history , what's your point ?
@@herohunter5961 how do carragheer opinion make no sense ? He is also saying messi is better
They mad he is speaking Factos. [Cristiano is one of the 5 best players ever, Messi Pele and Maradona are leagues above him tho]
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Kate Abdo
Henry will fight you
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What's messi's response got to do with this question? Is Kate loose in the head or sth?
Ronaldo is not close to messi in robbing
Ronaldo is the biggest threat
Nobody cares about women's opinion
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Can u please make a video about this but without the pictures of Ronaldo and Messi?
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Ronaldo was not there, but still scores goal😅
Simpletons said Ronaldo
Absolutely spot on mr Carra
Henry acting like a snowflake
😂😂 Ronaldo as a winger in united… Still lost to Messi in the UCL..
The host is a fan of Ronaldo.
In more ways than one 😉
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Women don’t know anything about the sport but carragher is right on this one.
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There was never a debate but they started debate, now we know the reason why Messi said him donkey
Carragher always dumped in mud 😂😂😂
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Facts there was a never a debate !!!!!!!! Cr7 as a winger lol mess 20 plus assists literally every season
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Carragher is completely right. I don't believe people don't back him up on this. It's glaringly obvious. It was a stupid debate. Messi left leg alone has more talent than Ronaldo whole body. I mean, come on !
They lookin like clown to compare two goats ...just want only trp
As a Messi fan its always been a close debate Cristiano is a machine but i think now after the 2024 Copa America, Cristiano absolutely has to win the 2026 world cup and probably reach 1000 goals to be considered the greatest. In pure footballing terms, its Messi all day long and his achievements are also superior. Both GOATS but there can only be one undisputed and thats Messi now.
@@roryelliott8689 How’s Cristiano a goal machine when Messi has highest goals conversion rate?
This debate was just to boost views and simply because Ronaldo was playing in Real Madrid and Messi in Barca which were two rivals. In reality Ronaldo is not an inch close to Messi . Please subscribe
@user-cz6bm8qr6s I never said goal machine??! Cristiano is machine because of his dedication, work ethic ability to score all types of goals. Trust me, I know Messi is better I've debated with so many people but i still give CR7 his respect. HIs movement and ability to find the net is special but I much prefer Messi style of play its incredible to watch.
I highly disagree even though I have Messi as the goat it’s debatable
Messi is the GOAT and it’s not debatable bro
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@@user-cz6bm8qr6s for losers like you he is goat, Ronaldo is GOAT for sigmas
Messi is clearly the goat
@@Nitegame pessi is small donkey. Cristiano GOAT
No one has ever said it better then Jamie... 100 % FACTS
Ronaldo the greatest ever lol !! He's not even the greatest Ronaldo ever 😂
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He’s 100% correct tho
Cristiano Ronaldo is a great player and the fact that we can only compare Cristiano to Messi and Messi to CR7 IS A CREDIT TO BOTH PLAYERS. The thing is that because they are so much better than the rest of the field when you compare Messi's 374 assists to CR7's 252 with 164 fewer games played THERE IS NO ARGUMENT ABOUT WHO IS A MORE COMPLETE PLAYER. Then you have to add all the other stats In the Leagues and Champions League since 2009/10, Messi has made 1420 key passes in 599 appearances, CR7 has made 944 key passes in 561 appearances.
Messi also dominates the throughball statistics, making 450 successful throughballs in that same time period, compared to Ronaldo's 81 successful throughballs.
Messi often comes deep to receive the ball, dribbling is still a major part of Messi's game, completing an incredible 3131 dribbles in the league and Champions League, compared to Ronaldo's 1683 successful dribbles. NO OTHER PLAYER CAN COME CLOSE TO CR7 AND MESSI BUT MESSI IS THE CLEAR WINNER AND THAT IS THE REASON WHY MESSI HAS SO MUCH MORE TROPHIES AND INDIVIDUAL AWARDS..END OF THE ARGUMENT BECAUSE THERE IS NO ARGUMENT.
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wasn't a debate in my opinion. Ronaldo is/was a great great player, but Messi was clearly a step above. Notice how the pundits and other players would compare Ronaldo to Messi. But they compare Messi to Pele and Maradona. That always sealed it for me.
Agreed
He was right even at United Messi was a,ways clear. The only time it was close was in terms of goals. Outside of that if we’re talking about ability Messi was always better and he showed that in the World Cup.
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Ronaldo has more goals 891 (the most ever) and has done well in premier league, seri a, La liga, Portuguese league and Saudi league
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Ronaldo went to one of the best teams in that saudi leage and lost titles. Messi went to mls WORST team, won a title and now they are TOP of the league on points…FROM THE BOTTOM
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Messi is top 5 in goals scored against PL big 6 yet he's never played in England. He would've wiped the floor in the PL.
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He said it’s not even close, but Ronaldo passed Messi in 2018
No he didn’t messi has completed football ronaldo hasn’t. Messi is clear of Ronaldo and it’s not even close this is a fact
How did Ronaldo pass messi when he was never better then Messi
How did he surpass Messi in 2018?
Passed him in what????
Dude's a clown 🤡
If Ronaldo was gifted the World Cup then everyone would say he’s the goat lol
Pele 3 world cups,, and Messi???😂😂😂
One World Cup. The time that Pelé played was much different then the time Messi played. Pelé played for Santos and New York Cosmos. Pelé never won the European Cup. For me Pelé is the second greatest player off all time.
carragher is clown. He hates Ronaldo cause of 2006 WC penalties and many premier league defeats against GOAT. Cristiano is by fare most complete player of all time and messi is literally ,,one club wonder'' as david beckham once said.
Wonder lol he won a World Cup coming from a Chilean
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Which other player has played in one club and achieved what Messi has achieved?
The idea that Messi played in one club wonder is lame and it’s not even an excuse to why he’s achieved this big in football.
@@user-cz6bm8qr6s if you think messi would perform well all season in england you have no clue about football. Its completely different intensity than in Spain. Which player has played in one club and achieved what messi achieved? Many. I also know players who achieved in 3 years what messi achieved in entire career. For example Toni kross has 3 UCL in 3 years and messi has 3 UCL in 20 years AHAHAHAHHA
@@eolaaole6691that argument is squashed messi has 1 less goal than ronaldo against the top 6 in England yet he never played there TRY AGAIN 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Who is he ??? He can only judge him if he is better then him or bigger then him... Wth who is he
Are you hurt?
Ronaldo owns Jamie carragher the only good trophies that clown won is 1 ucl and 1 Europa league. Ronaldo won 5 times his ucls, won a euro and won a lot of leagues unlike that clown
then who the fuk you are?
he spit at a teen girl because he said he lost 2:1 and then messi called him a donkey
shows your ball knowledge lol how can you judge any footballer then?
Donkey is more loyal and had more respect but this guy is shit😂
Roasted by women 😂😂
Who tf even is he?
He got more champions league than you
@@drsxaero1459 no seriously idk who he is🥲
@@Zorojuro-san686someone who never won the premier league lol
0 ball knowledge
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