The Truth Behind Mike Tomlin's "Success"
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Facts are facts. Can't argue with this video. Respect for making it 😎🤙
You're entitled to feel that way as a fan and your argument is well reasoned and based on results. However context matters, and in a QB driven league, what realistic opportunities has he had? The draft system does not reward winning. Make a similar video about Greg Popovich, whom we all know is a great coach, but had to lose to get Wembanyama. If you bring up Shanahan as a successful Comp, a man on the brink of bottling one of the most talented rosters I've ever seen, then forgive me for saying there's something wrong with this picture.
He’s not just a coach, he’s a tractor but instead of dragging fertilizer, he’s dragging his team to a winning record
A benchmark of just 9 wins year after year is effing depressing
@@HereWeGoShow less depressing then going below .500
@@dandruff3069and then fire him and hire Jeff Fisher by that logic
@@dandruff3069by that logic, you’d rather be ok and not great than elite and bottom? that’s pure mediocrity, probably sums up a good amount of Steelers fans
@@dandruff3069 not if going below .500 results in actual player development (instead of trotting out the same mediocre veterans every week) and a decent draft position once in a while.
Remember that the worst record of the last 25 years (6-10 in 2003) resulted in drafting Big Ben.
It’s honestly crazy because as a Steelers fan, I’m trying to think of one thing Tomlin does well in game, and I can’t think of a single thing. He rode Cowher’s team to 3 Super Bowls. He rode Roethlisberger’s prime to consistent mediocrity. & now he’s riding TJ Watt’s insane ability to impact a game defensively, keeping games close for a consistent bottom 5 offense to win close games. That’s all it is to his career. He’s a great man, a big hype guy, great with the media and has a hell of a personality. He understands Steelers culture but it has really fallen off because he can’t implement it in the whole team. It’s unbelievable he still has an NFL job. Steelers should of fired him and went after Jim Harbaugh. He would of been a great fit in Pittsburgh, outside of the fact that his brother coaches in the division
1 Super Bowl
2 AFC Championships
7 Division Titles
No losing seasons.
Pretty damn good.
TJ Watt was a 1st rounder and is the best defender in the NFL
I am so confused why he included James Conner and juju when going over that draft but left tj out.
As a fellow Steelers fan we are lucky to have Tomlin. Without him we wouldn’t even be close to relevant we are spoiled to have a coach who even gets us to where we go. We should’ve rebuilt years ago but he keeps winning with subpar roster and some of the worst QB play in the league. He’s not just a good coach he is a great motivator and the players are behind him. He knows how to lead a team without Tomlin the Steelers look like fools. Also I’ve been a 5card draw regular for a while and it’s been great really good stuff with Solo Survivor as well!
He let Matt Canada stay around way too long. The first game he was gone and for the rest of the season the offense became much more productive despite not installing a new offense. That’s on Tomlin
@Bruh-yy3zb hardly relevant now.
@@Bruh-yy3zb sneaking into the playoffs as the 7 seed and getting blown out in the first round every other year is hardly remaining relevant.
You can’t say Tomlin has had a significant hand in building every team on that field for the last decade and a half/he keeps us relevant but then doesn’t harbor any of the lack of playoff success or underachievement for the last decade. You can’t have it both ways. Tomlin has helped assemble these rosters. He selected these QBs. He kept Canada. He’s the one who neglected the Oline for years, thus neutering the running game. He’s the guy who allowed Bill Belichick to run circles around him in every meaningful game for years, costing us multiple trips to the SB. It amazes me how blindly loyal people are to this guy. As a Steelers fan, I want more than “non-losing seasons”. If we have to lose for a bit to get back on top - so be it. Every team does it. Sick and tired of treading water and accepting mediocrity.
bill belichick's patriots fell apart once brady left, but tomlin's steelers are still putting together decent seasons post-roethlisberger. that's not to say belichick isn't a great coach or that tomlin is better than him (he isn't), but being a super bowl contender just a few years after losing a hof qb seems like an unreasonable expectation for any coach. if the steelers are no better when the end of tomlins extension rolls around maybe there's a conversation to be had, but until then i think tomlin absolutely deserves his spot.
yep he hasnt had a qb. if he can be criticized fairly for anything its his coordinator decisions. but he's a fantastic motivator
I’ve always wondered why people were so high on Mike. I get his past achievements but I felt like he run his course with the team a few years ago.
Sometimes you gotta take 1 step back to go 2 steps forward however the Stealers are walking on a treadmill, constantly walking but going nowhere and that’s the issue.
@HolymanChurch have only been back to the afc championship game once since 2010. No playoff wins since 2016.
You beat Tomlin by not giving a shit who he is. Shanahan and Sirianis coaching trees are a combined 9-0 and the closest games were concussion Tua and Zach Wilson. Tomlin also has a worse record against non division AFC teams than the Jets since 2021.
Shanahan can't win a super bowl
Days of our Steelers/urinating tree brought me here. LOL 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Couldn’t have said it better. I have respect for Tomlin, but the way the media has overblown his status as a coach is mind boggling. We haven’t won anything is so long, and I still don’t think we will get any closer this year. I was optimistic in the summer about this season, but since then that excitement has faded.
If Tomlin is going to have a losing season, this is the season. We are going to see what he is truly made of that second half of the schedule. It also sucks seeing all this defensive talent go to waste as well, I mean TJ not having a single playoff win is depressing. Either try to win a Super Bowl, or reset. Steeler Nation is tired of mediocrity 😤
The saddest part is he’s going nowhere. He’ll probably get extended again
@@FrankMichaelSmith yeah, probably. If we start having some post season success, I could see things get a little better in the eyes of the fans though (myself included). Also, I can’t remember if you touched on this in the vid, but do you think the “he won with Cowher’s team” claim is also a valid point?
@@Dewski34he did talk about that. As part of the player development issue
@@Dewski34 I never agreed with that because Cowher himself had trouble getting to a SB with “Cowher’s players.”
I was born and raised in WPA and am a lifelong Steelers fan, and the only thing this video gets wrong is in putting the bad drafts completely on Tomlin. Although I’m sure he has had a lot of input he’s never been the GM. The person ultimately responsible for that was Kevin Colbert until last season.
But beyond that the piece is on the money. Tomlin hires mediocre to terrible assistants for the most part, and his player development history, frankly, is far below the line.
He consistently says he refuses to “live in his fears” yet he consistently does that week in and week out.
He may have been a good hire for a veteran team with its own established identity, but not for the current state of the franchise.
@@christopherharrison2987 Yeah just look at our drafts after Omar Khan came around. Last years rookies looked good, and so far, this years class looks good too. As a Tomlin believer though, these are extremely valid points, just a little overblown in the video.
Kevin Colbert was the one who really set this team back over the past 10 years.
the king of 9-9
So real
You act like going .500 after facing Burrow and Lamar twice, with lousy quarterback play is ordinary.
@@Baldinosalvador no its a good feat but that alone shouldn't give you the level of glaze this man has
9-9 is impossible it's a 17 game +1 bye season
@@mazz22 9-8 in regular season and then 1st rounded lmao
Harsh, but true. I love Tomlin, been coach literally my whole life. But Pittsburgh is stuck in the past, and until that changes I think their limit is a Divisional Round exit at most.
I think we as Steeler fans need to expect more and better. TJ Watt should not be a player with zero playoff wins
I feel bad for TJ and Cam
Wild card*
As a Patriots fan, I even saw Bill belichick change his philosophy while also keeping some of his nuance and detail / attention to the game. Bill belichick was truly on point
Something that almost never gets brought up that has always been one of the major points of criticism for every other coach is how their players behave on and off the field. Diontae Johnson doesnt try, AB only did what he wanted to, George Pickens doesnt care to block, on the field his players look like they couldnt care less and off the field their even worse. Everyone know about AB and his antics but are we gonna ignore Le'Veon Bell and his weed addiction Big Ben and his rape charges Anthony Chickillo assulting and choking his girlfriend only to be brought back less than a month later. All of these player were not only allowed to play for the steelers but make millions and millions of dollars. The steelers culture under Tomlin has allowed for criminals to do as the please simply because they can play ball. Matt Arizia was dropped after rape charges were brought against him Darren Waller was dropped by the ravens after he tested postive for weed, Cameron Sutton was released after domestic violence charges were brought against him. With a few frustrating exceptions (mostly qb related) every team releases players when they are charged with a crime. Not the Steelers though, that would jepordize Tomlin's winning record.
So......what is it that you want to happen?
It’s poisonous. He’s allowed it to infect the locker room year after year
we even signed cam sutton 🤦
I thought the rooneys used to be known for the opposite in decades past I do believe I could be wrong tho
Let’s stop beating around thebush here. The Rooney’s are woke liberals and tomlin is black.
Having a winning record and getting destroyed in the 1st round of the playoffs year after year is worse than tanking a couple of seasons and actually rebuilding your team. We won't win another playoff game until tomlin is gone and definitely not a Super Bowl.
I had a hockey coach like him in highschool. He knew all the parents of the highly talented club team players that went to our school and got them to join the hockey varsity team. 0 disciplinary actions, gave them all the playing time over kids that wanted to be there, let those kids egos ruin any kind of culture the team could have had, and they always lost the games that mattered.
The worst part is that the offense only looked good the last few years when Ben went no huddle
Anyone who is a Steelers fans know Tomlin doesn’t control who the Steelers hire and fire the Rooneys do that’s why the coaching staff is small the front office is also one the smallest you should do more research on that
Then it's on him to do some negotiation to get them, or use his pedigree to force his way out. Fact is, he's ok with barely winning and so are his owners.
Kevin Colbert set this team back big time during his later tenure. And AR2 is not his father.
Local media is constantly echoing your sentiment. Don’t know where you got the idea that they are scared… they say your exact argument all the time
I personally think the physical style of football doesn’t go well in playoffs… your players will be all beaten up from the season getting dissected by the smart players. Ravens, Pittsburg, raiders, Cowboys… not really playoff teams
As a Steelers fan and Tomlin supporter, who would we even replace him with? Who would do a better job? I think we are a bottom half team in terms of talent. The notion that we can’t develop is overblown. And Tomlin is a good coach. So who would you get that would be better?
That's what I've always said.
Lincoln Riley and hundreds of others
@@FrankMichaelSmith Can’t coach a defense to save his life, plus would never leave USC anyway.
The Steelers would be able to a number of coaches. They've only had 3 HCs in 40 years. That means the position is stable, the fan base is large, the Rooney's are well thought of as owners. The current roster isn't all that bad.... The offense just needs a QB, a couple decent O-linemen, and another decent WR. Other than that, the team is solid
@@FrankMichaelSmithOh you were cooking until you said Riley
Nothing personal against Coach T, but he was born on third and everyone thinks he got a triple. Once Cowher’s team and personnel faded out, Tomlin’s prestige followed suit. He’s a decent coach, but he’s not a great one.
I sincerely hope he proves me wrong!
Cant wait to see this! you always have unique perspectives man talking about things in-depth that many others aren’t
I can understand why steeler fans are frustrated because we haven't wanna play off games since 2016. And we haven't been to the Super Bowl since 2010 and haven't won since 2008. But right now, the biggest problem to his success is he doesn't have a quarterback. In honestly the way they like to play. And since they don't believe in pancake, they're gonna have to pick a year. Give up a lot of draft capital to move up to grab a quarterback from now. The draft, like, for example, in 2027 Arch Manning, will be in that draft class. And even when we haven't seen him play. I'm pretty sure he is going do something special. And i'm just gonna say it if I was Mr Rooney. Happy willing to trade an entire year's draft picks to be able to get him. There's a repeat, why aren't Rogers and Dan Marino or so special? They're the only rare cases where I quarterback fell far in the first round. And I can tell you right now. You'll never find another Tom Brady in the late rounds.
theres no way you genuinely believe sean payton is better than him
Could not agree more, Tomlin has become the new Jason Garrett
1:45 Kyle Shanahan is on the path to greatness? Buddy, he's on the path to infamy. When peddling in terminology, make sure to use the words correctly.
Don't forget one thing steelers fans Bill Cowher Didn't do anything more than what Mike Tomlin is doing now. This guy had no more success in the playoffs. Then my tom won he only went to one super bowl in the 90s. And couldn't get back to the super bowl until he finally had a quarterback.
The same Bill Cowher that wanted to stick with Tommy Maddox over drafting Ben.
Fella drank the whole bottle of gatorade on this one 😂😂😂
Matt Canada wasn't hired to be their OC lol got damn there is a lot of purposely misleading information in this video you cant break Tomlin down without twisting the narrative?
Saints fan here, hearing Sean Payton is very good hurt.....bad.....then I remembered the pain of him leaving us and that was worse. So with that, Sean Payton can stay at very good that's fine with me
How is Belichick the greatest coach of all time? He just had the greatest qb of all time and as soon as he was gone Belichick couldn’t do anything.
Yeah everyone crowns Andy Reid as the best coach of all time now, even though he was kicked outta Philly and never really did shit with the eagles. Patrick Mahomes has made his career.
and lets not forget his record with Cleveland.
We got robbed that year with Millers catch against the Patriots
Andy Reed and Bill Beilchick are considered good coaches. It's because they got the biggest key success, the quarterback. Handy reed was not a great coach by most standards until he finally got Patrick Mahomes. The same thing goes for Bill Beilchick with Tom Brady. And the second tom brady was no longer under Beilchick. You could see the quality of football change in New England. All I'm saying is my Tom. Just needs to get another quarterback and that it unfortunately is the hardest thing to find.
And here's my biggest thing. This coach is just a couple seasons away from breaking in NFL record. A record that took Tom Landry and the Dallas Cowboys twenty years to get. 21 consecutive winning football seasons. And if he gets that record that means the Franchise owns the record at 24 consecutive winning seasons. This would be a NFL record that would never be broken. And if he caught this record, this would just get him into the hall of fame He would also put him in the same boat as Vince Lombardi Gorge Halas Don Shula Tom Landry Andy Reed Bill Beilchick and Chuck Noll. So instead of being happy my breakfast record. We're still crying like baby because we haven't won a Super Bowl in the last 10 years. When there are teams. I go a lot longer without winning a Super Bowl.
Mike tomlin is undeniably one of the best coaches of the 21st century to be a great coach who can take his team to the playoffs consistently even if we lose its great having some of the best players ever
😂
@@Bigchet1223 tomlin has had the most regular season successes in the last 20 years and on top of that tomlin has brought in amazing talent calling tomlin bad is like calling Brady overrated
@adf586 8-10 in postseason. No playoffs wins since 2016 season. Had the killer bs. No coaching tree. Cant manage the clock after 18 years. What makes him so great?
@@Bigchet1223 both the raiders and dolphins have 0 in the last 20 years but tomlin bad because his amazing defense and decent offense can’t click because defense mine as well be a wiggle ball bat against a mlb pitcher and only 8 teams have more than him in postseason also tomlin may not have a coaching tree but he has one of the best eyes for coach’s like Todd Haley who was oc in 2013 after being fired from KC
One of the most overrated coaches, outside of the Super Bowl win and 2nd superbowl appearance he’s just the black Jason Garrett the way he always ends up going 8-8 or 9-8
I already had the suspicion but thx for confirming to me that u don’t know what you’re talking abt. Might make a response video to this lowkey because a lot of people who don’t have a deeper understanding of the game or understand this situation might take this and run with it.
You’re privileged to have Tomlin. That man has kept that organization running.
@@jamiegamesalot3901 😀
as a pats fan, i will be content with the steelers holding on mike tomlin forever
He’s Jeff Fisher
except he's given a raise instead of being mocked then fired
@@FrankMichaelSmithbro your just trying to be different. Every point you made can be easily disagreed on. Not his team. He still kept them around for 3+ years, that’s not easy. People keep saying he never had a losing season. Just because it keeps being said doesn’t mean it’s any less valid. No one just stumbles into a 17 year long head coaching career. Winning a Super Bowl your roster or not i still difficult. You used to pride yourself on being a Steelers fan, and the fact that you can’t be happy with consistent winning shows you are just a spoiled fan looking for any reason to kick one of the best coaches in the nfl to the curb
@@Fallman10 brother do yk football that man is super overrated its not even a debate 10 plus years of him not doing anything ruining drafts also being a LOSER when it matters what are you even talking about 😂 ( respectfully of course )
@@jo_yb0y913”do you know football” “what are you even talking about”
Respectfully ofc. Cmon dawg if you gon be a douche at least own it
I can't believe that they're giving mediocre Mike money on Parr with Andy Reid. What an effing joke. Tomlin is so overrated. And after Cowhers players and personnel he's been average at best. And his playoff performance, particularly when the Jags came in and basically humiliated us, have been atrocious. But Rooney loves the guy so we're stuck with him. Get ready...9 and 8...maybe make the playoffs and get beaten in the first round. SOS. 😢
Even Urinating Tree criticized him
The drafting section of the video seemed misguided to me. The pro bowl rosters are a mixed bag of players that should’ve made it and shouldn’t have made it, and that’s the way it’s been for a while. Also, brushing aside the free agency moves that the Steelers have made is wrongheaded. How did the Steelers get Minkah? Furthermore, the Steelers have drafted well under Tomlin, getting players who have had long and fruitful careers like Antonio Brown, Cam Heyword, David DeCastro, and Maurkice Pouncey.
I also think the whole talk of coordinators from head coaches is just plain stupid. Belichicks coordinators have almost all been terrible when they’ve gotten head-coaching gigs. Your standard could also be applied to other coaches who just haven’t seen their coordinators go into success without them, like Sean Payton and Jimmy Johnson.
On a small side note too, the point trying to be made in pointing out that Tomlin has never had a losing season is not that every season is a winning one or a playoff berth, but rather that the simple bedrock of Mike Tomlin is, at the very least, not a season of losing.
My purpose in arguing these points is that I would hope you to reconsider Tomlin as a coach who is very good like Payton or hell even Mike McCarthy. It’s still insane to me that you put Mike McCarthy, and not Mike Tomlin, in very good, but what do I know.
I already know without watching the video that this dude is about say Tomlin is terrible.
Man..... As a die hard Steelers fan, this was hard to hear. I have heard the grumblings of other Steelers fans hating on Tomlin and I must say at first I didn't give it much credit. I just kept justifying mediocre seasons and playoff loses as one off years or the results of a couple aspects of the team not doing well. But I am firmly off the Tomlin bandwagon now. Even when they won 11 straight games to start the season a few years ago, they didn't look good. I really hope this year is different, I hope they get a decent offense put together (we know most likely the defense will be decent). I really hope they play consistently good football. Thats been the most frustrating thing to watch is just how inconsistent they play from week to week. Some weeks they look absolutely terrible, some weeks they look "OKAY", and every once in a while they look good
Steelers fan here: Tomlin is technically a good coach cuz he does win games. However, he is far from a great coach. A lot of the blame for this mediocrity falls on Art Rooney too.
I honestly dont know why people say he is such a good coach. Done nothing in the past 13yr.
Most importantly, just FOUR of those 17 seasons came with a playoff win. OVERRATED. 😢
It’s so easy to say he has never had a losing season and that’s his credibility, but ur right he really hasn’t done anything else and that’s not worthy of keeping ur head coaching job in the NFL
Think about how long Bellicheck lasted in New England after the prime Patriots came to an end. They won seven, SEVEN Super Bowls and still decided to move on from him. The fact that Tonkin has never had a “losing” season yeah sure that would be a nice stat, IF they had at least two more SB wins or at least made the AFC championship a few times. Praising mediocrity is just detrimental long term for the franchise.
As a Cinncinati Bengals fan my whole life I can also say that Mike Tomlin stanks😅 15:10
You criticize him for hiring old coaches and you criticize him for not having a coaching tree. If your coaches are in their 50s they’re almost never going to get offers. 😂
One thing I have to disagree with is at the 13:07 mark. This previous AFC and NFC championship games were filled with teams with a great defense and a great run offense. The only one who wasn't was the Lions who are still not bad on defense. The Chiefs won a Superbowl the "old fashion" way and no one talks about it. They ran the ball and played great defense. Yes Mahommes is Mahommes and turned it on come playoff time but still it was the defense and running game that got them the ring.
7:23 how do u leave out Tj watt😂😂
Also find it interesting he chose to start at 2013 ignoring pouncey, Hayward, and decastro the three years prior. Outside of that
2013 PB: AB, troy (not coach t's(NCT))
2014: AB, pounc, Bell, Ben (NCT) timmons (NTC)
2015: Decastro, Ben (NCT)
2016: AB, Bell, Ben(NCT) Decastro pounc, Shazier
2017: AB, Pounc, cam, Decastro, Bell, Shazier, Ben Villanueva bos, and nix
2018: AB, Watt, Pounc, cam ,Decastro, ben, juju, Villanueva Connor
2019: watt, cam, Pounc, Decastro
2020: Decastro pounc watt cam
2021: nahjee, dj, watt, cam,
2022: watt, cam,
2023: watt killebrew
Note Fitz has made it 2019, 2020, 2022, 2023.
Mike McDaniel is getting people calling him lucky to get an extension at the Dolphins but damn that’s nothing compared to the leeway Tomlin gets.
and he has yet to win a playoff game.
I love Ben but you can blame a lot of our losses from 2014 2020 on him sometime. You have to play with structure and within the game itself and Ben killed us in a lot of of those games. And when you mentioned the Kansas City playoff game in 2016 go back and watch it again he checked out of numerous running plays from the goal line with Le’Veon Bell as the running back just so he can throw the ball and get picked off.
One more thing about Clock management no one is better than bleeding the clock out once they have a lead. Take a look at Tomlin record in one score games. You don’t have bad clock Management and have that type of and not know how to bleed a clock that’s clock Management ,maybe something your God Shanahan should learn.
ok I just gotta say he deserves to be on the hot seat, but you dont need to act like this guy is marvin lewis and I just dont know if weve had a high caliber team since AB left
just gotta put this out there, Big ben is top 3 all time in game winning drives, i watched him and tomin win a lot of close games, if he was trully a bad time manager Idk how we win all the close games so often.
also Bill belichick and harbal arer right next to him in challenge efficiency, I get that its an issue but it seems like a cherrypicked stat to bring
Frank the most interesting thing you pointed out was his lack of coaching tree, that was an eye opener. I've always supported Tomlin because I'm afraid the grass isn't always greener, but you make some great points here and it is fair to consider his position within the NFL.
Also, please don't ever show an Andrew Filiponi tweet ever again 😂.
Can’t wait for your 1000th video
Keeping Matt Canada around as long as he did is on Mike Tomlin. He knew it wasn’t working but was too stubborn to do anything about it. He and his counterpart in Pittsburgh, Pat Narduzzi, have that in common. As soon as they finally got rid of Canada the offense picked up. For the first time Pickett and Rudolph looked like serviceable QBs. Literally the first game he was gone was the first time they went over 400 yards in forever. He’s way too stubborn, and that’s why he has the people around him that he does
The Canada piece of this is the most egregious
I am a die hard Steeler fan I totally agree. I think he’s a hall of famer but he is ruining his legacy. Now he is ruining the steelers.
You failed to mention TJ Watt, did you forget?
If you don't make the playoffs, it is not a winning season. If you don't have a shot at the Ship, it means nothing.
I think you forget the Steelers are a in house franchise. like we don’t go out the family and house for anything!!
he’s like the NFL’s version of Doc Rivers
Its only a handful of coaches that can turn water into wine.. and Tomlin is one of them... you may not like him because of false narratives posted by media or fraudulent Pittsburgh fans... but bill cowher had losing seasons and was 1-4 in home AFC championship games... but he was given so much grace... But on the other hand Tomlin credibility is challenged everyday by people who dont know shit about football... coaching is hard.. finding a good one is harder... be grateful that he is your coach Pittsburgh... you could have Adam Gase or Bobby Petrino as your coach..
Well done, I felt like I’ve been saying this for years, upon deaf ears. It’s all laid out right there. It speaks for itself. It’s not something that we’re happy about, but this is what it is, eight years since a playoff win, but that’s not enough proof for most of these fans, it feels political.
idk man, i don’t think tomlin is making too many draft decisions.
I hate nothing more than overrated, underperforming people get undeserving praise and money. He hasn't won a meaningful game in years, hasn't delivered in the Playoffs but media keeps prasing him and he keeps making millions.
Some of the facts u presented in this video are insane. How this guy has a job is beyond me. We see it with Doc Rivers in the Nba too. He failed with multiple loaded teams but he keeps getting hired.
This happens in cooperate too. If u are friends with the right people, you'll keeping getting promotions even though u suck at everything.
I have a few ideas on why he still has a job, but none of them involve performance or results
@@FrankMichaelSmith I think I know exactly what u mean 😂😅
but but hes never had a losing season!
also just found out you make long form videos. keep it up
You can’t criticize Mike Tomlin for another unspoken reason: his race. The Cowboys, Eagles, 49ers, Ravens, Packers, Bills and Seahawks all made the playoffs more times in the last 10 seasons and go further into the playoffs, but their coaches get absolutely decimated by the media. The Chiefs have made the playoffs 9 out of 10 years too and before Mahomes, were basically seen just like the Cowboys are perceived to be, good regular season teams with terrible playoff records. All the coaches of the teams I just mentioned are/were white.
Who’s the one that isn’t? Hmmm I wonder 🤔… Oh yeah Mike Tomlin. God forbid you criticize a minority person in a meritocracy based sport on results. And I say this as a minority person myself lol before y’all start to call people words instead of staying on topic. That’s called deflection, and is an understandable defense mechanism, but alas, misguided.
so you just dont like him cus he black. lol.
@@drumagus2258 nope, I’m actually mixed lol I’d be hating myself if I did. I’m saying the media and fans at large are basically unable to criticize very criticizable results because of it. It’s the 21st century, the century of victimhood, don’t act obtuse or like you don’t know what I’m saying. You know how it is, if America didn’t have double standards it wouldn’t have standards at all type shit
Man don’t drag my coach!!
The fact that you mentioned Madden as a real life scenario of using Clock Management has marginalized your whole video. Unless you know how to throw football or actually scan on the sidelines and run a team with the clock running down, you should never mention this again about playing Madden in a two minute drill.🙄
Great video. What are Steelers building?? It’s just time for a change! Like when Andy got fired from the eagles, it’s just time for a change!
Tomlin is awesome at being slightly above average
Winning in the nfl is quite difficult. Winning without a qb is quite tough. Tomlin does both. Belichick just got fired. Do you know of another current or prospective coach with a wining record with trash qbs? Sean payton had 5 seasons under .500 with prime drew brees and the media licks his asshole. Youre targeting the wrong coach. Taking your approach might rurn a franchise into the jets or commanders. Zero continuity, virtually no success. Only the eagles and packers always seem to find a new guy. Everyone else struggles. If you were a business owner and not a fan youd realize competitive ness us way more important than trying to superbowl every year. The steelers are in toughest division arguably that doesnt feature mahomes. Look at the chargers post schottenheimer. Thats a huge risk of being trash for 30 years. Ill take tomlin thank you. Ask jim irsay if he could use a mike tomlin about now.
Umm tom coughlin the 2 time super bowl winning head coach BTW beating the Tom Brady Patriots both times he's well above average andy Reid was owned by Brady anytime they played against each other
Why we getting Evan Engram hate
This is the worst take ever lmao. Reid without Mahomes is cooked that’s where his entire career turned around. Bill without Tom as a stable qb he got bounced from his job. Mike Tomlin had a dude name duck hodges winning football games along with Trubisky/rudolph/ Pickett/ and many other bad qbs in a division where the afc is always loaded. Those leads in the playoffs was thanks to Ben who threw multiple bad picks in the playoffs that put us behind where he had to go gun slinger to keep it close. Like no one ever talks about that go look at the stats Ben was throwing the games lmao. If he benches Ben the fans would go berserk let’s be honest.
Andy Reid didn't win one playoff game with Alex Smith.
Mike Tomlin is a glorified Marvin Lewis
Not tryna defend Tomlin, but just curious about the roster building point. Ik that coaches have some influence over who gets drafted, but wouldn't a lot of that also be on the GM/franchise?
Kevin Colbert set this team back big time during his late years as GM.
Who should we get instead? Who’s better? And available.
@joeyrahimi579 how was this a horrible take he gave his opinion and then supported it with evidence. Honestly, I was one of the Steelers fans who was always a good coach, but I’m tired of being stuck in mediocrity. I would rather lose a lot of games and have a chance of drafting a quarterback, then just being stuck in mediocrity. very good video. Very well thought out good shit, my boy.
Weird you bring up Tomlin's drafting and his failures at bringing in stars, but you don't give any contrasting data to show if he's above or below the average NFL head coach. You're doing that for a reason
and also he doesn't make all the decisions involving personal and players.
So Tomlin’s a bad coach cuz he’s too mature to let his diva receiver act childish on IG from distracting him? Ok.
This is just plain wrong I'd love to debate you on it
who do you think is the most underrated coach all time or current
tomlin is 7-1 vs harbaugh in the last 4 years, yet tomlin need to be fired and harbaugh is great coach, i wonder what the difference is? (other than tomlin having more superbowls and a better overall record).
What has Harbaugh and Jackson really done in the playoffs ?
@@geebee6010 well harbaugh has one superbowl, but by tomlin hater logic he has none because he did it with "bill billicks players" like tomlin won his first with "cowhers players". lol
@@drumagus2258 I agree and Cowher won with Nolls players in the 90's.
@@drumagus2258 Harbaugh and Jacksons playoff record with the Ravens is 2-6 over a 6 year span.
holy stick to tiktok pal 😭
You think Mike Tomlin is a great head coach? He lost to Tim Tebow in the playoffs with the #1 defense and Ben Roethlisberger at quarterback.
and we haven't been right since.
@@geebee6010 Tomlin had Le'Veon Bell, Antonio Brown and Ben Roethlisberger for 5 years and couldn't win a Super Bowl. He's very overrated.
@@troysmith5749 With no solid defense. Our secondary was non existent and we didn't have have TJ Watt at that time. Bell was either always injured or flamed out by the time the playoffs came around. Now fast forward to 2024, the offense is garbage and the defense is good.
@@geebee6010 As they say in Pittsburgh: "Excuses win championships!"
Horrible take. Sorry.
I thought it was totally sound and well-thought-out
Ur like CNN u don’t wanna hear the truth
@@jakegoldberg6700 i hate CNN - but you def love fox news
That’s ok to have your opinion, where is your proof to back it up?
nah man tomlin sucks… hasn’t had a good team in 10 years
Purposely left out a lot of details.
You've been hating on Tomlin for years, bad takes brother man
This video really just sounds like hating 😂
Horrible take. Made a 15 minute video about lack of post season success and didn't even mention the actual reason for it. INJURIES. Every single playoff game we've lost in the last 7 years has the same story, there were just too many injuries to overcome. Also, the lack of a coaching tree points to his quality as a coach, not the other way around. Any real Steelers fan knows that the team doesn't like spending money on the coaching staff. Tomlin is forced by ownership to employ bargain coordinators. That's common knowledge in Pittsburgh and has been that way forever. This is a video made by a fan that has no idea about anything except what the TV tells him to think. Maybe do a little research before you try and drag Tomlin thru the mud. Also, just for extra. I'm tired of the narrative that you can't win in the NFL with defensive football anymore. This is a young person's take. Football goes thru cycles just like any sport. We are into a generation of players who grew up defending passing oriented offenses since they were 7 years old. It's not as unstoppable as it was 10 years ago. You can simply look up the stats and see that teams are running the ball more each year consistently .. this is because defensive coaches have figured out how to shut down elite QBs. Again, just do some research before you form opinions instead of regurgitating what you hear from the media.
Mike McCarthy is very good????
I love your long content!!
Thanks my friend