Friendly sound guy here, great show as usual and LOVE this topic because I can't tell you how many crap sounding acoustics I've run sound for. I'm not much of an acoustic player myself, but here's just some sound guy nuggets to enrich this guitar loving audience: - Acoustic amps are way better than wedges most of the time because the front surface of your acoustic resonates, and changing the location and angle of the stage sound putting a human body between the speaker and the guitar helps enormously. - cheap sounding pickups just can't be fixed at the board, but the good ones while kinda gross pre-eq can sound fantastic once they've been EQ'd. So far the best sounding direct sound I've ever heard came from a Mcpherson guitar played by a blue grass pro who's been playing longer than I've been alive. The worst sound is tied between Ovation and Ibanez (sorry) - The back side of speakers put out a ton of low end, so 99 times out of 100, I'm having to trim a bunch of low out of your signal to keep it from resonating into feedback, that's why it sounds so "thin" to you, and sorry but that's just the way it's gotta be - A feedback buster DOES have a negative effect on your guitar, but it's far less negative that howling feedback, so if you're playing in a loud situation or with a full band, plug that hole. - The number one sign for me of an acoustic player that's going to give me a good signal is walking in with one of those LR Baggs acoustic preamps, the one with the built in tuner and parametric EQ. I don't know why, but almost everyone who walks in with one of those just does a better job. - Play your strings harder than you think you should, it just makes everything sound better. I'm not saying full punk rock jackhammer, but put some heat on it when playing live. Hope that helps, or at least gives you a little more idea of how your sound guy is thinking.
Funny how I found the pedal show while searching for videos on amps and pedals, and I think I've learned almost as much about tips to help my sound board running. Thanks Sven, some nice pointers.
Thank you very much for such a great advice. I am one of the nerdyes walking with LR Baggs preamp and my acoustic amp as my monitor. Always getting from the rest of the band --there is no need-- feel revindicated 📣😀
Sven, hi, having been dissatisfied with my cheap piezo equipped guitars for years I asked my bandmate how he got such a good sound with his Martin x series electro acoustic. It turns out that it's not the onboard preamp but a passive DI box between the guitar and PA. I tried it with my low budget acoustic and it works well, it now sounds like an acoustic when amplified. Perhaps this would work with the Ovation and Ibanez guitars too? Or did you do this already? Ian
as a sound engineer and musician myself, I fully support this! It's true, whenever I see LR Baggs, it's like and instant tell that the player is no schmuck lol
I dig it! I love a good fuzz pedal, but I get so much more knew knowledge from these type of shows, and that carries over to live performances where I can take advantage of what I've learned. Amazingly valuable.
"Here Comes the Sun" is such a great song for two acoustic guitars - you get kind of a 12 string type sound with one capo'd up high. My friend and I jam that one often when we see each other. Good singing and playing! I know you guys sing all night at your gigs, so no surprise there. I can see why there are so many acoustic gigs - the bigger rooms with big, loud bands are currently diminishing. It seems that the big clubs all have house DJs and the 'real' music is in small places - restaurants, pubs, lounges, etc. That could be just in my little corner of the world, but our town is losing it's last 300 seat bar, which is where I had a house gig every Saturday.
Hey man. lol, they probably know that already. How's your wonderful home made looper and pedal board? I hope your getting lots of good use out of them.
Holy Cow! I came across this TPS episode while researching use of a compressor pedal with an acoustic guitar. I love hearing you two play and to hear you sing - Most Excellent Dan & Mick!!! As always, I come away from another of your presentations with new knowledge to improve my sound/tone. Best Regards, James
Fantastic episode. Really looking forward to part two. Gotta say, really enjoyed all of your playing here. There's definitely something about the dynamics of acoustics that just make a duo work so well. Also gotta say, that AER amp sounds GODLIKE. Never heard a plugged in acoustic sound THAT good.
If you are going to use a passive piezo, then you would do well to plug it into a very high impedance input, on the order of 5-10 Megaohms, like a Z.Vex Super Hard-On. Piezos have a very high characteristic impedance, and they improve greatly by plugging them into an appropriate impedance, rather than the usual 1 Megaohm of the average guitar amp or other audio gear. A Countryman Type 85 DI has an input impedance of 10 Megaohms.
Ok - the universe as we’ve known it has just imploded! Dan playing a Martin with a PRS strap, acoustic guitars on TPS, and this videos wasn’t blocked by the TH-cam police! LOL. Seriously, you guys do have to take the acoustic set on the road. It would be an amazing show.
As a regular (aren't we all!) viewer, I can't tell you how long I have been waiting for this!!!!!! More Acoustic stuff, please!.... as Mick says.... "people like it!"
Thank you guys for doing this show! I plug my acoustic into a DI every Sunday (with a few pedals in between) and this has opened my eyes to some new gear. Love all your shows!
This is so relevant to me in my band right now that this has become such a perfectly timed release of a video. Thank you both for your deep exploration!
F Me. Here I am in Covid Iso, North of Sydney. My wrists ache from too much guitar, I'm a bottle of Hunter Shiraz in, I've watched ALL of TH-cam. And you guys have just made me smile so wide and so long that I feel like a new man. Thanks fellas!
A lovely detour from the norm seeing you guys perform together, well done ! I play regular acoustic gigs so im quite interested to see what wisdom i can absorb here; thanks for all your hard work guys!
I’ve been watching you guys for years I’ve known the band you played in and played in, but I didn’t realize how great your vocals are! Nicely done guys !!!
You guys are freaking awesome! Been watching your videos for years! Every time I need to learn about something, you folks have got my back. Thank you. :)
Absolutely wonderful! Great cover! had no clue you guys did anything with acoustic guitars and I absolutely love it! I would definitely be interested in watching more shows on this topic.
Aw man, love the tune at the beginning! Was awesome seeing you guys playing with the band on the Greg Koch episode, awesome seeing the concepts put into context/practice.
The last thing I ever would want on an acoustic is chorus effect. Apparently, Hedges, Kottke and James Taylor used one…then manufacturers and the public thought it was a good idea? Jim Hall somehow finessed cool sounds but was mostly semi-acoustic. What’s one great/famous song with chorus on an acoustic?
Just some thoughts and ideas: 1. The AER sounds fantastic 2. That Acoustic Pedal Show on Tuesdays and the standard show on Fridays??? 3. Since I don’t play for audiences bigger than family, I find using the electric guitar modulation pedals (mix knobs set to full effect)and amp fun for a low volume stereo effect. Wonder if that becomes exponentially more complicated with trying to run an acoustic amp in stereo? Considering phasing and such. 4. It would be cool to expand your budget conscious acoustic guitar idea to the most purchased models from Martin, Taylor, and ... maybe Yamaha or Epiphone.
Ladies and gentlemen please welcome Dan and Mick Here - The Here Brothers! ........So sorry, I am a 52 year old father of 4 this is best I can do! Please don't block me. Great show.
ive been playing the acoustic guitar live for 20 years. Through my journey i used a few different Preamps before (LR Baggs Para, AER, Firewood DI Japan) until i realised recently that I prefer just a normal DI Box (sometimes without DI) straight into the mixer. That way I rely more on my ears to bring out the most accurate, true-est sound of my acoustic guitar. I no longer wanna be spoilt by choices and options and i just wanted things simple.
My favorite electro-acoustic sound is actually a soundhole pickup into a clean, fender-y amp with loads of headroom. It's definitely not a typical acoustic sound, but it has a certain warmth and midrange to it that makes it a unique and completely usable sound that actually sits in a mix quite well! It's not gonna jump out at you, but it works great as a sort of bed for the other sounds to sit upon. Listen to The Tallest Man On Earth for some examples, he's a big fan of this sound and will even use it playing solo! Also, Elliott Smith was a big fan of passive soundhole pickups; except he would just plug into the mixer. I think he might've even recorded with one, but don't quote me on that
Wow I’ve watched the show for years and am just now discovering this video - so lovely to hear D&M singing and playing a George tune. Warms my heart. Thank you for your inspiration and for sharing your wealth of knowledge with us all for so long!
Awesome guys I’m made up. Asked to do a church gig and with not a lot of experience I took along my Taylor 310 with a K&K and my Marshal acoustic amp which went to the PA system in the church and bingo quite a good sound for a novice performer so yes I’m with you all the way on acoustic amps!
AWESOME episode guys. I’ve been waiting for this for a long time. I love electric guitar but must of my gigs tend to be on acoustic as you mentioned. Super informative as always :D PD: clean sounds Pt. 2 PLEASE 🙄
In my personal opinion the BEST Box to make ANY PICKUP (from a shitty Seymore Duncan or a vintage Lawrence stick in the hole) the BAGGS PARA Box makes ANY pickup sound like a diamond. I ran open mics for years, and it was my GO TO for ALL guitars.
Once you do a gig with a great acoustic amp ... you will never go back. Ever. It allows you to play expressively and get away from the strummy-strummy. And if you use it as your monitor running vocals and guitar through it ... say good bye to being at the whims of a sound man. It is heaven. HEAVEN!
I couldn't believe my ears the first time I heard a proper, high-quality acoustic amp. I ran a Tele through it for THE clean Jazz guitar tone. And ofc, an acoustic. Alas, I can't remember the brand and it was super-expensive so I didn't end up buying it. Belongs to a mate who has a store in Sydney.
I mean.. in a more practical sense.. it’s a hell of a lot easier to lug one acoustic amp and throw a mic/cables in a backpack to go gig most bars/coffee shops. You can add a 400w powered speaker run from the output of the amp if you need more power, or go into a PA the venue has. If you’re doing acoustic/electric mixed gigs things change but for a solo or small group acoustic amps just win.
A couple of years ago, I was searching for “effects for acoustic guitar” on TH-cam, and I stumbled across your channel, then you guys helped me learn how to enter the electric guitar world. If you’re worried that your audience won’t like acoustic episodes, I can tell you that most worship leaders in the US play acoustic and are constantly wanting to improve their acoustic sound through a PA, or they’re wanting to transition to electric. Either way, you guys can make a show about almost anything and you’ll be helping someone out there. Keep up the good work!
I run a Godin Grand Concert Duet Ambiance into an inexpensive Behringer mixer and a pair of old KRK Rokit Powered 6 G2 monitors. (Those "Red" ones they made for Guitar Center years ago.) I use a cheap (but good) old MXL V63M mic to talk to the crowd (I don't sing though) and add a little of the board's built-in reverb to the guitar. The whole rig is very cost efficient and sounds great. That Godin really does sound like a very well mic'd guitar, and the crowd gets to hear the board's reverb in stereo---something I couldn't do with just an acoustic guitar amplifier.
I use an my old Trace Acoustic amp 99% of the time for exactly the reasons Mick states. My sound is available to the PA with no additional faff, plus I can monitor myself. Admittedly it doesn’t sound as good as that AER but it certainly beats any direct-to-PA sound Ive ever achieved. I’d say it sounds better than the Mesa though. If I can earn the thick end of £900 through gigs I may consider upgrading to an AER.
Loved the start to the show. Ultimately, I play music to be in a band, and to play with my friends, and for others, and this came across more strongly in the first 10 mins of this show than in any other one. before AER Compact 60. I have one of these brilliant tiny boxes. Dan's reaction to it was unexpected and delightful! Don't let the size deceive you, they are serious kit. I mostly use it for home rehearsal using my modelling pedalboards (Headrush, Amplifire) and backing vocals (SM58 clone). It's a perfectly formed compact mono PA system. Anyway, my next challenge is how to make an electric guitar sound like an acoustic for a tiny part in one song, through a modelling pedalboard into a PA, and this has given me inspiration. Thanks guys!
That fancy-pants cutaway Martin sounds delightful The boys here show how to do two acoustics at the same time: one guy should always capo and play differently voiced chords--two dudes banging out open position cowboy chords all night is lazy and boring.
"Whoops should have brought something cheap to test." If that isn't the That Pedal Show mantra by now I don't know what is! ;-) Look forward to part 2 just based off that brief moment with the pedals, that sounded proper good & seemed like the best option for a small footprint type acoustic rig, guitar, pedal a couple cables...rig in a case.
You should do a show on “mic simulation” pedals and preamps. I have been playing in a folk rock band for years and have been using the fishman Aura Spectrum DI and the mic blend on it has given me the best plugged in sound I’ve ever had, and has become quite a standard among professional players.
I’m 44 and I picked up the guitar during Covid! Now I can not put it down! I should have started a long time ago! But now I am determined to get as good as you guys one day! There is something about acoustic guitars! Keep up the great work!
So, I've chewed up and spit out a plethora of acoustics and preamps. What I've learned. 1. Taylor ES system is not the greatest. Blind listen to just about any other pickup system and you will agree. 2. In just about any acoustic preamp and or pickup, the first thing to do is cut the mids down by at least 60%. 3. Micing an acoustic is always better than any pickup but not convenient in a gig environment. 4. Play before you buy. Dont take the reviews as gospel. Go to the store and tey it out! We gig professionally. My gear is as follows. Guitars - Martin GPCPA1 with fishman Aura. Martin D28 with K&K pure mini. Preamps- LR Baggs Venue DI. Fishman Aura Spectrum.
That was FANTASTIC. Who knew Mick had such a great singing voice? (Probably lots of people, but that was the first time I heard him singing the lead part.) Fine harmony by Daniel. Bravo!
I think we need more pedal show "shows" like this. And bravo on the acoustic boards. I love playing acoustic gigs. Especially since wrangling a full band is like herding cats on the best of days. Acoustic solo or duo gigs allow to be nimble, get the songs super tight, and have tons of fun. Well done lads. ;)
Damn that space makes such a great studio! Awesome balancing and mixing as usual of course. Thanks for doing this show! P.S. This is another "headphones needed" video. You'll not hear much difference on a phone or smallish computer speaker.
Dan just showed exactly how to play with another person. As soon as Mick played a lead part in that last section of this, Dan backed off with a much simpler rhythm part. It didn’t take much space up in the mix and it made Mick sound awesome. I wish more musicians understood this!
This just popped up in my feed. 5yrs on I still absolutely love this one. But it's bloody alarming it's been 5 years, could've sworn it was one or two.
I gig weekly with an acoustic guitar. I struggled with quacky under saddle pickups, microphone pickups that sounded great but had horrible feedback, heat, cold, rain/wet. And then I got a McPherson Sable carbon guitar - all problems solved and great sound achieved. Don't knock it if you haven't tried it. The Fishman Loudbox mini is a great companion, especially if you sometimes play outside, have no power and need a mic with your guitar.
Accoustics are great topic for you especially considering your insight. I am hoping for part on the "work needed to be done at mixing console". Can you see into that for a bit - eq, compression, etc.. What can a sound guy do to make accoustic sound nice (especially whet there are more of them). I would appreciate that because i am being on both sides of the PA.
Ahhhhh! (A huge sigh of pleasure.) I am primarily an acoustic player but freaking love this show. I have made the switch to electric and am learning, but this was a great episode even for me. Thanks for doing this guys!
Refreshing... and very educational. I play 1 out of 4 gigs a month with my acoustic. I use a Fishman Aura pedal through a small personal stage monitor (that isn't brown)... can't wait to see what you've got coming in the pedals-for-acoustic show. BTW: Love the AER Compact 60 - wow...
Wow!!!! Excellent! I absolutely love listening to unknown musicians play awesome world famous music in an awesome way. You guys did such a great job on the Beatle's "Here Comes The Sun". Just wow bravo! 🙂
Fantastic vid!! I don't know if you answered this somewhere else but here goes a question: Will a good acoustic amp compensate for a cheap acoustic guitar??
Thank you for doing an acoustic episode. This topic has been rattling around in my mind for a while now, so I cannot wait to see what you guys do in the next episode! Also, the opening song was absolutely incredible! Your voices compliment each other nicely and your talents never cease to amaze me. Impressive!
Great episode, Guys! I, too, have been doing a ton of acoustic gigs lately and am currently putting together an acoustic-specific board. I also use the AER Compact 60/3 and love it. I'm playing a Martin 000-42 with the Baggs Anthem system and it sounds killer. Can't wait to see part 2! One thing I’ve found VERY useful... using a soundhole plug to allow for high volume without feedback. I highly recommend this to anyone playing in a band setting or even a duo with a drummer.
Thanks guys. I can't tell you how much I needed this episode. Getting a good sound out of a good electric is so simple. But anytime to try to make an acoustic louder it sucks all the character out.
I've still got, and will always have, a Taylor DN3 that my mom bought me before she became sick and died. She wanted me to have something real and solid to remember her with. Thanks, mom, love you! I want a Martin too though! Nice show guys, refreshing for sure.
How's your dad? When my dad died I bought a Porsche, a very old one. When my mum died I bought a Merc. Fairly old. Other dead relatives bought me a MusicMan and decent amps, which I couldn't have afforded otherwise. They all represent them, so have near mystical attachments to me. And I get to have interesting things around me. I'd prefer to have the people back.
@@pd4165 oh wow. I'm so sorry you've lost both of your parents, and other relatives. lost my dad first, then mother next. But dad gave me my first chances to act on taking music into my life physically... by teaching me rhythms with wooden spoons at age 12 😁 His father played music for a living, and he actually sessioned during some rehearsals with Roy Orbison! Thanks for sharing your story. Cool cars! A friend of mine is jealous of my inheritance, I say the same as you, trade it all for my folks back in heartbeat if you show me how!
I both gig and do sound engineering for myself and others I have pre-2001 Taylor 914CE with the Fishman prefix blender on it (before the expression system came in). I do a lot of work with bands playing worship music in reverberant church environments and the best solution for artist and audience/congregation is always wedges and FOH PA placed in front of the mics, with acoustic guitar EQ presets on the digital desk as a starting point. This can however create an issue with guitar feedback into the wedge mix if they don't have a sound hole blocker in place. The key weakness with acoustic amps is when they are placed as a backline into which microphones are plugged in that they deliver instant screeching as the amplifiers fire signal down the the throats of the mics. There are rules and solutions for everything but no one panacea. I am putting together a PA with an active stage box with labelled acoustic guitar channels so you can plug in and hear your sound out of the wedge and then tweak the EQ/ monitor volume yourself using the iPad app for your vocal/instrument channel - perfect??
I play in an acoustic two piece. I hated gigging until because our lovely sound we honed in our living rooms disappeared the second we plugged in. In the end we threw caution to the wind and just decided to one-mic the act (single condensor) and it's the best thing we've ever done. Not only does it sound lovely, you get to use mic technique; and because you're slightly quieter, the audience shuts up and engages with you. I know it's not possible for all setups but I will never go back to plugging in.
I’ve always sworn by compressors on an acoustic pedalboard. Makes fingerpicking so much easier in a band setting. Something to touch on for part 2 perhaps?
This is a great subject and I love the information I received from watching. My current acoustic rig starts with a Takamine EF261S AN & EC132SC then to an AER Compact 60/3 through an AER Pocket Tools Colorizer and Ernie Ball MVP Volume pedal. So far this setup is working for me.
Friday is always better if you're working half (thanks God today I am) and if you watch TPS. Epic performance at the beginning.. As other said Mary Spender would have been a great addition, but, nevertheless that was great.
I’m addicted to TPS, seen so many episodes. How come I discover this one just today? Probably because I just got an acoustic today. Great intro. Wish you both great holidays. 🎉
TPS Band album, please...(or at least a cover album...)...love the way you sound...u can mix it up..acoustic/electric...or whatever..just please play and sing more together for us living on different planets.. ;)👍🤘🏻🎸
This sums up so much of my experience playing live with an acoustic guitar and all the challenges that come along with it. The right gear would have helped me out back when I really was doing gigs on a frequent basis. Now it’s whenever I have time so I like watching these videos and simply enjoying shaping the sounds and if I get to share them one day then awesome; if not that’s ok too. Great Video guys!
The right sound hole pickup can work well for different applications. I’ve played in open tunings and DADGAD for years and hated my plugged in sound, then I learned that Marcus Mumford (Mumford & Sons) uses a sound hole pickup because it works and sounds better with those type of tunings compared to a piezo. I now use the same Fishman Rare Earth Humbucking sound hole pickups on all of my guitars that Mumford uses run into a Radial J48 DI and am very pleased with the sound.
Nice. Sounds pants past the sixth or seventh fret though right!? But as we all know, no acoustic guitarist should be up there anyway. Everyone’s a winner. Cheers!
That Pedal Show Have a quick listen to this sound - now I’m sure there’s loads of stuff happening at the desk, but played with finesse it doesn’t sound terrible up the neck. th-cam.com/video/3V-ZRNnlt4A/w-d-xo.html
I can always hear a bit of electric guitar. Which can be cool I guess! But you’re right about the touch and approach. Ultimately it’s about a setup that works for you and how you interact with it. There is no plugged in acoustic guitar that actually sounds much like an acoustic guitar so it evolves into its own thing and you bend it to work. I’ve kinda given up trying and now just run the K&K because it has the least physical impact on the guitar. AER does the rest. Cheers!
That Pedal Show Fair enough - like you said before, no acoustic guitar player has any business being that far up the neck anyway. There’s no money above the 12th fret!
Best TPS for a while - looking forward to Part 2. The whole thing with acoustic amplification is that you have what you have in terms of output and any adjustment needs to be done early in the signal chain. As the immortal Scotty said "You canna change the laws of physics cap'n"
Funny you mention the bluegrass guitarist being a she... If you haven't already, check out Molly Tuttle. She's the IBMA Guitarist of the Year, and just won Instrumentalist of the Year at Americana Fest. Absolutely incredible flatpicker (and singer).
She’s a phenomenal player, I was lucky to see Her at the Green Note Camden a couple of months back. Don’t forget her Clawhammer skills I.e Save this heart etc!!
45:00 a bluegrass band opened for us on some dates on our last tour and played round a centrally positioned condenser mic. The bass was mic'd separately. It was awesome to see how they worked. The sound guys loved it 😁.
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Friendly sound guy here, great show as usual and LOVE this topic because I can't tell you how many crap sounding acoustics I've run sound for. I'm not much of an acoustic player myself, but here's just some sound guy nuggets to enrich this guitar loving audience:
- Acoustic amps are way better than wedges most of the time because the front surface of your acoustic resonates, and changing the location and angle of the stage sound putting a human body between the speaker and the guitar helps enormously.
- cheap sounding pickups just can't be fixed at the board, but the good ones while kinda gross pre-eq can sound fantastic once they've been EQ'd. So far the best sounding direct sound I've ever heard came from a Mcpherson guitar played by a blue grass pro who's been playing longer than I've been alive. The worst sound is tied between Ovation and Ibanez (sorry)
- The back side of speakers put out a ton of low end, so 99 times out of 100, I'm having to trim a bunch of low out of your signal to keep it from resonating into feedback, that's why it sounds so "thin" to you, and sorry but that's just the way it's gotta be
- A feedback buster DOES have a negative effect on your guitar, but it's far less negative that howling feedback, so if you're playing in a loud situation or with a full band, plug that hole.
- The number one sign for me of an acoustic player that's going to give me a good signal is walking in with one of those LR Baggs acoustic preamps, the one with the built in tuner and parametric EQ. I don't know why, but almost everyone who walks in with one of those just does a better job.
- Play your strings harder than you think you should, it just makes everything sound better. I'm not saying full punk rock jackhammer, but put some heat on it when playing live.
Hope that helps, or at least gives you a little more idea of how your sound guy is thinking.
Thank you for that Sven - useful and enlightening!
Funny how I found the pedal show while searching for videos on amps and pedals, and I think I've learned almost as much about tips to help my sound board running. Thanks Sven, some nice pointers.
Thank you very much for such a great advice. I am one of the nerdyes walking with LR Baggs preamp and my acoustic amp as my monitor. Always getting from the rest of the band --there is no need-- feel revindicated 📣😀
Sven, hi, having been dissatisfied with my cheap piezo equipped guitars for years I asked my bandmate how he got such a good sound with his Martin x series electro acoustic. It turns out that it's not the onboard preamp but a passive DI box between the guitar and PA. I tried it with my low budget acoustic and it works well, it now sounds like an acoustic when amplified. Perhaps this would work with the Ovation and Ibanez guitars too? Or did you do this already? Ian
as a sound engineer and musician myself, I fully support this! It's true, whenever I see LR Baggs, it's like and instant tell that the player is no schmuck lol
Seeing Dan and Mick actually performing together might have been the greatest That Pedal Show moment ever, and there’s been some epic moments.
Oh wow. Thank you kindly! Gives us great confidence for the band. We were worried people would think we were just being indulgent. Thank you.
What a nice surprise!
That Pedal Show - The Album. Do it.
I agree. Let's like this until they do it :-)
DO IT!!!!
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That Pedal Album
rasm0225 Dude, I actually laughed out loud! Great stuff.
That Pedal Show has officially become That "how to be a great gigging musician who's ready for anything" Show, and I love it!
Cheers Pat :)
I dig it! I love a good fuzz pedal, but I get so much more knew knowledge from these type of shows, and that carries over to live performances where I can take advantage of what I've learned. Amazingly valuable.
the perfect balance of helpful gigging advice and pure guitar nerdery
"Here Comes the Sun" is such a great song for two acoustic guitars - you get kind of a 12 string type sound with one capo'd up high. My friend and I jam that one often when we see each other. Good singing and playing! I know you guys sing all night at your gigs, so no surprise there. I can see why there are so many acoustic gigs - the bigger rooms with big, loud bands are currently diminishing. It seems that the big clubs all have house DJs and the 'real' music is in small places - restaurants, pubs, lounges, etc. That could be just in my little corner of the world, but our town is losing it's last 300 seat bar, which is where I had a house gig every Saturday.
Your voices go well together. I'd pay to see this cover band. :)
Alright fishy paw? Thought you might tell them that in Scotland "hen" means lassie ;-)
Hey man. lol, they probably know that already. How's your wonderful home made looper and pedal board? I hope your getting lots of good use out of them.
The board went through a radical downsize - less is more (controllable!).
Holy Cow! I came across this TPS episode while researching use of a compressor pedal with an acoustic guitar. I love hearing you two play and to hear you sing - Most Excellent Dan & Mick!!!
As always, I come away from another of your presentations with new knowledge to improve my sound/tone.
Best Regards,
James
Fantastic episode. Really looking forward to part two. Gotta say, really enjoyed all of your playing here. There's definitely something about the dynamics of acoustics that just make a duo work so well. Also gotta say, that AER amp sounds GODLIKE. Never heard a plugged in acoustic sound THAT good.
Thanks Brandon! It’s a super simple setup that just works. :0)
If you are going to use a passive piezo, then you would do well to plug it into a very high impedance input, on the order of 5-10 Megaohms, like a Z.Vex Super Hard-On. Piezos have a very high characteristic impedance, and they improve greatly by plugging them into an appropriate impedance, rather than the usual 1 Megaohm of the average guitar amp or other audio gear. A Countryman Type 85 DI has an input impedance of 10 Megaohms.
Super hard-on? I don’t know if I would sound any better playing with one. I think it may be a little distracting but hey whatever works.
Ok - the universe as we’ve known it has just imploded! Dan playing a Martin with a PRS strap, acoustic guitars on TPS, and this videos wasn’t blocked by the TH-cam police! LOL. Seriously, you guys do have to take the acoustic set on the road. It would be an amazing show.
I have a Gibson strap on my Fender and a Fender strap on my Gibson.
When worlds collide...
And a strap-on..
No. Stop there, Gilbert. Quit while ahead.
As a regular (aren't we all!) viewer, I can't tell you how long I have been waiting for this!!!!!! More Acoustic stuff, please!.... as Mick says.... "people like it!"
Thank you guys for doing this show! I plug my acoustic into a DI every Sunday (with a few pedals in between) and this has opened my eyes to some new gear. Love all your shows!
This is so relevant to me in my band right now that this has become such a perfectly timed release of a video. Thank you both for your deep exploration!
F Me. Here I am in Covid Iso, North of Sydney. My wrists ache from too much guitar, I'm a bottle of Hunter Shiraz in, I've watched ALL of TH-cam. And you guys have just made me smile so wide and so long that I feel like a new man. Thanks fellas!
A lovely detour from the norm seeing you guys perform together, well done ! I play regular acoustic gigs so im quite interested to see what wisdom i can absorb here; thanks for all your hard work guys!
I’ve been watching you guys for years I’ve known the band you played in and played in, but I didn’t realize how great your vocals are!
Nicely done guys !!!
It's Friday, that means one thing....That Pedal Show!!!!!
You guys are freaking awesome! Been watching your videos for years! Every time I need to learn about something, you folks have got my back. Thank you. :)
Absolutely wonderful! Great cover! had no clue you guys did anything with acoustic guitars and I absolutely love it! I would definitely be interested in watching more shows on this topic.
Well, as an insignificant part of the TPS audience, I love this!
Aw man, love the tune at the beginning! Was awesome seeing you guys playing with the band on the Greg Koch episode, awesome seeing the concepts put into context/practice.
The last thing I ever would want on an acoustic is chorus effect. Apparently, Hedges, Kottke and James Taylor used one…then manufacturers and the public thought it was a good idea? Jim Hall somehow finessed cool sounds but was mostly semi-acoustic. What’s one great/famous song with chorus on an acoustic?
Just some thoughts and ideas:
1. The AER sounds fantastic
2. That Acoustic Pedal Show on Tuesdays and the standard show on Fridays???
3. Since I don’t play for audiences bigger than family, I find using the electric guitar modulation pedals (mix knobs set to full effect)and amp fun for a low volume stereo effect. Wonder if that becomes exponentially more complicated with trying to run an acoustic amp in stereo? Considering phasing and such.
4. It would be cool to expand your budget conscious acoustic guitar idea to the most purchased models from Martin, Taylor, and ... maybe Yamaha or Epiphone.
I like your show a lot. I genuinely had joy in my heart hearing you guys play those acoustics so lovingly! What a great episode!
Ladies and gentlemen please welcome Dan and Mick Here - The Here Brothers! ........So sorry, I am a 52 year old father of 4 this is best I can do! Please don't block me. Great show.
Dad jokes are the best jokes.
Could bill themselves as The Hear Brothers.
ive been playing the acoustic guitar live for 20 years. Through my journey i used a few different Preamps before (LR Baggs Para, AER, Firewood DI Japan) until i realised recently that I prefer just a normal DI Box (sometimes without DI) straight into the mixer. That way I rely more on my ears to bring out the most accurate, true-est sound of my acoustic guitar. I no longer wanna be spoilt by choices and options and i just wanted things simple.
My favorite electro-acoustic sound is actually a soundhole pickup into a clean, fender-y amp with loads of headroom. It's definitely not a typical acoustic sound, but it has a certain warmth and midrange to it that makes it a unique and completely usable sound that actually sits in a mix quite well! It's not gonna jump out at you, but it works great as a sort of bed for the other sounds to sit upon. Listen to The Tallest Man On Earth for some examples, he's a big fan of this sound and will even use it playing solo! Also, Elliott Smith was a big fan of passive soundhole pickups; except he would just plug into the mixer. I think he might've even recorded with one, but don't quote me on that
Wow I’ve watched the show for years and am just now discovering this video - so lovely to hear D&M singing and playing a George tune. Warms my heart. Thank you for your inspiration and for sharing your wealth of knowledge with us all for so long!
Love all the electric stuff but super pumped that you guys are covering off acoustic gear in this show. Awesome!
Awesome guys I’m made up. Asked to do a church gig and with not a lot of experience I took along my Taylor 310 with a K&K and my Marshal acoustic amp which went to the PA system in the church and bingo quite a good sound for a novice performer so yes I’m with you all the way on acoustic amps!
AWESOME episode guys. I’ve been waiting for this for a long time. I love electric guitar but must of my gigs tend to be on acoustic as you mentioned. Super informative as always :D
PD: clean sounds Pt. 2 PLEASE 🙄
In my personal opinion the BEST Box to make ANY PICKUP (from a shitty
Seymore Duncan or a vintage Lawrence stick in the hole) the BAGGS PARA Box makes ANY pickup sound like a diamond. I ran open mics for years, and it was my GO TO for ALL
guitars.
Once you do a gig with a great acoustic amp ... you will never go back. Ever.
It allows you to play expressively and get away from the strummy-strummy. And if you use it as your monitor running vocals and guitar through it ... say good bye to being at the whims of a sound man. It is heaven. HEAVEN!
Yep!
Agreed! LOVE my Fishman amp. Bye bye sound guy. ; )
Which acoustic amp do you recommend Murray? I tried a Fender Acoustic 200 with guitar and vocal, and really liked it.
I couldn't believe my ears the first time I heard a proper, high-quality acoustic amp. I ran a Tele through it for THE clean Jazz guitar tone. And ofc, an acoustic. Alas, I can't remember the brand and it was super-expensive so I didn't end up buying it. Belongs to a mate who has a store in Sydney.
I mean.. in a more practical sense.. it’s a hell of a lot easier to lug one acoustic amp and throw a mic/cables in a backpack to go gig most bars/coffee shops. You can add a 400w powered speaker run from the output of the amp if you need more power, or go into a PA the venue has. If you’re doing acoustic/electric mixed gigs things change but for a solo or small group acoustic amps just win.
A couple of years ago, I was searching for “effects for acoustic guitar” on TH-cam, and I stumbled across your channel, then you guys helped me learn how to enter the electric guitar world. If you’re worried that your audience won’t like acoustic episodes, I can tell you that most worship leaders in the US play acoustic and are constantly wanting to improve their acoustic sound through a PA, or they’re wanting to transition to electric. Either way, you guys can make a show about almost anything and you’ll be helping someone out there. Keep up the good work!
DAN!! You bloody, brilliant, bespectacled, bearded bugger!! HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!
I run a Godin Grand Concert Duet Ambiance into an inexpensive Behringer mixer and a pair of old KRK Rokit Powered 6 G2 monitors. (Those "Red" ones they made for Guitar Center years ago.) I use a cheap (but good) old MXL V63M mic to talk to the crowd (I don't sing though) and add a little of the board's built-in reverb to the guitar. The whole rig is very cost efficient and sounds great. That Godin really does sound like a very well mic'd guitar, and the crowd gets to hear the board's reverb in stereo---something I couldn't do with just an acoustic guitar amplifier.
I use an my old Trace Acoustic amp 99% of the time for exactly the reasons Mick states.
My sound is available to the PA with no additional faff, plus I can monitor myself. Admittedly it doesn’t sound as good as that AER but it certainly beats any direct-to-PA sound Ive ever achieved. I’d say it sounds better than the Mesa though. If I can earn the thick end of £900 through gigs I may consider upgrading to an AER.
Loved the start to the show. Ultimately, I play music to be in a band, and to play with my friends, and for others, and this came across more strongly in the first 10 mins of this show than in any other one. before
AER Compact 60. I have one of these brilliant tiny boxes. Dan's reaction to it was unexpected and delightful!
Don't let the size deceive you, they are serious kit. I mostly use it for home rehearsal using my modelling pedalboards (Headrush, Amplifire) and backing vocals (SM58 clone). It's a perfectly formed compact mono PA system.
Anyway, my next challenge is how to make an electric guitar sound like an acoustic for a tiny part in one song, through a modelling pedalboard into a PA, and this has given me inspiration. Thanks guys!
That fancy-pants cutaway Martin sounds delightful
The boys here show how to do two acoustics at the same time: one guy should always capo and play differently voiced chords--two dudes banging out open position cowboy chords all night is lazy and boring.
Just gonna point out you used the words "Two dudes, Banging, Open, Position, and Cowboy" all in the same sentence.
Cedar Bay
Wasn’t there a film about two cowboys banging?
Just saying not seen it myself......
Jamison Bebiak 😂
And all the sound techs said "Amen".
Capos are pretty boring too with that logic seeing as how you usually are playing cowboy cords using a capo
You guys really need to do this again. Brilliant.
"Whoops should have brought something cheap to test." If that isn't the That Pedal Show mantra by now I don't know what is! ;-)
Look forward to part 2 just based off that brief moment with the pedals, that sounded proper good & seemed like the best option for a small footprint type acoustic rig, guitar, pedal a couple cables...rig in a case.
I love my AER compact 60 so much I bought a second one and run in stereo. ❤️❤️❤️❤️
I’ve even sang though it for a gig. They are awesome.
You should do a show on “mic simulation” pedals and preamps. I have been playing in a folk rock band for years and have been using the fishman Aura Spectrum DI and the mic blend on it has given me the best plugged in sound I’ve ever had, and has become quite a standard among professional players.
Seth Becker same here
I’m 44 and I picked up the guitar during Covid! Now I can not put it down! I should have started a long time ago! But now I am determined to get as good as you guys one day! There is something about acoustic guitars! Keep up the great work!
Great stuff Doug 🤓👍
Resonator next😅
So, I've chewed up and spit out a plethora of acoustics and preamps. What I've learned. 1. Taylor ES system is not the greatest. Blind listen to just about any other pickup system and you will agree. 2. In just about any acoustic preamp and or pickup, the first thing to do is cut the mids down by at least 60%. 3. Micing an acoustic is always better than any pickup but not convenient in a gig environment. 4. Play before you buy. Dont take the reviews as gospel. Go to the store and tey it out! We gig professionally. My gear is as follows. Guitars - Martin GPCPA1 with fishman Aura. Martin D28 with K&K pure mini. Preamps- LR Baggs Venue DI. Fishman Aura Spectrum.
Pure mini is a great pickup
What a great way to start a Monday morning! Here comes the sun! Thanks guys
Make an album please, pretty please. Mick's voice is great, and Dan's harmonies are a perfect match.
Just started an acoustic side project. This video is worth its weight in gold.
Cheers
That was FANTASTIC. Who knew Mick had such a great singing voice? (Probably lots of people, but that was the first time I heard him singing the lead part.) Fine harmony by Daniel. Bravo!
He did a great Andertons video with Pete where he sang in a pub garden. Did Shake it Off iirc.
Thanks for pointing that out. For anyone else interested: th-cam.com/video/xwKwngg27HA/w-d-xo.html
Beautifully played and sung. What a pleasure it is to hear singing and the sight of two right hands playing in unison. 👍🤘🏻🎸👍🤘🏻🎸😁😁
Dan and Mick should make an acoustic cover album. I'd buy it.
I think we need more pedal show "shows" like this. And bravo on the acoustic boards. I love playing acoustic gigs. Especially since wrangling a full band is like herding cats on the best of days. Acoustic solo or duo gigs allow to be nimble, get the songs super tight, and have tons of fun. Well done lads. ;)
Damn that space makes such a great studio! Awesome balancing and mixing as usual of course. Thanks for doing this show!
P.S. This is another "headphones needed" video. You'll not hear much difference on a phone or smallish computer speaker.
Right on time! I'm currently exploring more pedal options for my acoustic. Thank you, guys!
Dan just showed exactly how to play with another person. As soon as Mick played a lead part in that last section of this, Dan backed off with a much simpler rhythm part. It didn’t take much space up in the mix and it made Mick sound awesome. I wish more musicians understood this!
This just popped up in my feed. 5yrs on I still absolutely love this one. But it's bloody alarming it's been 5 years, could've sworn it was one or two.
YAAAAY! Paranoid Android!
I'll finish watching the show now.
I gig weekly with an acoustic guitar. I struggled with quacky under saddle pickups, microphone pickups that sounded great but had horrible feedback, heat, cold, rain/wet. And then I got a McPherson Sable carbon guitar - all problems solved and great sound achieved. Don't knock it if you haven't tried it. The Fishman Loudbox mini is a great companion, especially if you sometimes play outside, have no power and need a mic with your guitar.
Accoustics are great topic for you especially considering your insight. I am hoping for part on the "work needed to be done at mixing console". Can you see into that for a bit - eq, compression, etc.. What can a sound guy do to make accoustic sound nice (especially whet there are more of them). I would appreciate that because i am being on both sides of the PA.
Ahhhhh! (A huge sigh of pleasure.) I am primarily an acoustic player but freaking love this show. I have made the switch to electric and am learning, but this was a great episode even for me. Thanks for doing this guys!
Thanks Adam. So glad you enjoy the show!
Speaking for acoustic players everywhere, THANK YOU! very informative show. You guys are great.
Lovely, I enjoyed that a lot. That cutaway Martin sounds awesome!
That look Dan gives Mick during the opening jam...❤️❤️❤️
Daniel Etchells real bromance
Refreshing... and very educational. I play 1 out of 4 gigs a month with my acoustic. I use a Fishman Aura pedal through a small personal stage monitor (that isn't brown)... can't wait to see what you've got coming in the pedals-for-acoustic show. BTW: Love the AER Compact 60 - wow...
Really really REALLY nice job on the intro!
How brilliant is this best I have seen on TH-cam totally engrossed well done now for part two.
Wow you guys can sing. I mean, really really well. It'd be interesting if you can do vocal processor pedal in the show as well :).
Wow!!!! Excellent!
I absolutely love listening to unknown musicians play awesome world famous music in an awesome way.
You guys did such a great job on the Beatle's "Here Comes The Sun".
Just wow bravo!
🙂
Fantastic vid!! I don't know if you answered this somewhere else but here goes a question: Will a good acoustic amp compensate for a cheap acoustic guitar??
Depends, if it’s a cheap guitar but you love playing it you might consider a pick up upgrade
Thank you for doing an acoustic episode. This topic has been rattling around in my mind for a while now, so I cannot wait to see what you guys do in the next episode!
Also, the opening song was absolutely incredible! Your voices compliment each other nicely and your talents never cease to amaze me. Impressive!
Thank you Jerod - very kind of you to say!
There's something spectacular about Dan playing an acoustic while wearing an all you need is fuzz t-shirt.
I use fuzz with acoustic all the time. But, then again... I'm an idiot. 😅🤣
Great episode, Guys! I, too, have been doing a ton of acoustic gigs lately and am currently putting together an acoustic-specific board. I also use the AER Compact 60/3 and love it. I'm playing a Martin 000-42 with the Baggs Anthem system and it sounds killer. Can't wait to see part 2!
One thing I’ve found VERY useful... using a soundhole plug to allow for high volume without feedback. I highly recommend this to anyone playing in a band setting or even a duo with a drummer.
Tech 21 has an acoustic d.i. that has been around for a long time. Check it out.
Thanks guys. I can't tell you how much I needed this episode. Getting a good sound out of a good electric is so simple. But anytime to try to make an acoustic louder it sucks all the character out.
Acoustic in to a Roland Cube, job done! 😉
I've still got, and will always have, a Taylor DN3 that my mom bought me before she became sick and died. She wanted me to have something real and solid to remember her with. Thanks, mom, love you! I want a Martin too though! Nice show guys, refreshing for sure.
How's your dad?
When my dad died I bought a Porsche, a very old one.
When my mum died I bought a Merc. Fairly old.
Other dead relatives bought me a MusicMan and decent amps, which I couldn't have afforded otherwise.
They all represent them, so have near mystical attachments to me. And I get to have interesting things around me.
I'd prefer to have the people back.
@@pd4165 oh wow. I'm so sorry you've lost both of your parents, and other relatives. lost my dad first, then mother next. But dad gave me my first chances to act on taking music into my life physically... by teaching me rhythms with wooden spoons at age 12 😁 His father played music for a living, and he actually sessioned during some rehearsals with Roy Orbison! Thanks for sharing your story. Cool cars! A friend of mine is jealous of my inheritance, I say the same as you, trade it all for my folks back in heartbeat if you show me how!
Boys, pack up the shed, take that act on the road!
Ahaha!!! Thanks Gavin. About 10 people usually come to my gigs. Mick here. 50,000 come every week on here. :0)
Ahhh love the intro - classic Beatles and you guys did so well. Cheers guys!
Please do more acoustic stuff. Please.
Loved the little insertion of the intro to XTC Senses Working Overtime around 30:40. More XTC please.
Lovely intro performance! What's your stage name? D&M Live? Dan and the Micks? That Pedal Stompers?
The Schwangrila's
TPS Tangents! :)
That Pedal Band
The Pedallin' Pimps
YEAH BABY! ft. Notorious D & M
I both gig and do sound engineering for myself and others I have pre-2001 Taylor 914CE with the Fishman prefix blender on it (before the expression system came in). I do a lot of work with bands playing worship music in reverberant church environments and the best solution for artist and audience/congregation is always wedges and FOH PA placed in front of the mics, with acoustic guitar EQ presets on the digital desk as a starting point. This can however create an issue with guitar feedback into the wedge mix if they don't have a sound hole blocker in place. The key weakness with acoustic amps is when they are placed as a backline into which microphones are plugged in that they deliver instant screeching as the amplifiers fire signal down the the throats of the mics. There are rules and solutions for everything but no one panacea. I am putting together a PA with an active stage box with labelled acoustic guitar channels so you can plug in and hear your sound out of the wedge and then tweak the EQ/ monitor volume yourself using the iPad app for your vocal/instrument channel - perfect??
I play in an acoustic two piece. I hated gigging until because our lovely sound we honed in our living rooms disappeared the second we plugged in. In the end we threw caution to the wind and just decided to one-mic the act (single condensor) and it's the best thing we've ever done. Not only does it sound lovely, you get to use mic technique; and because you're slightly quieter, the audience shuts up and engages with you. I know it's not possible for all setups but I will never go back to plugging in.
What a refreshing intro! Fantastic! More of that please! Random noodling is fine but tends to get stale after a while.
I’ve always sworn by compressors on an acoustic pedalboard. Makes fingerpicking so much easier in a band setting. Something to touch on for part 2 perhaps?
This is a great subject and I love the information I received from watching. My current acoustic rig starts with a Takamine EF261S AN & EC132SC then to an AER Compact 60/3 through an AER Pocket Tools Colorizer and Ernie Ball MVP Volume pedal. So far this setup is working for me.
Friday is always better if you're working half (thanks God today I am) and if you watch TPS.
Epic performance at the beginning..
As other said Mary Spender would have been a great addition, but, nevertheless that was great.
A big thanks for this! Working towards acoustic gigs in the near future. Have a good one!
Senses working overtime.... at 30:35! What a class! Thank Youuuuuuuuuuuuu!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, yes, yes! Great riff. C'mon Dan get your mate Dave Gregory on - please!
I’m addicted to TPS, seen so many episodes. How come I discover this one just today? Probably because I just got an acoustic today. Great intro. Wish you both great holidays. 🎉
Same here. I just got one the other day. I don't remember seeing this older episode and I've been following for years.
Really wanted you two to break into “Can’t Find My Way Home” at the end there...
yEs！！
One of the best shows in a while, excellent job and some beautiful plaything. Thank you.
TPS Band album, please...(or at least a cover album...)...love the way you sound...u can mix it up..acoustic/electric...or whatever..just please play and sing more together for us living on different planets.. ;)👍🤘🏻🎸
This sums up so much of my experience playing live with an acoustic guitar and all the challenges that come along with it. The right gear would have helped me out back when I really was doing gigs on a frequent basis. Now it’s whenever I have time so I like watching these videos and simply enjoying shaping the sounds and if I get to share them one day then awesome; if not that’s ok too. Great Video guys!
Live singing on an acoustic is always a mystical experience. It transcends time and harkens back millennia to our analog beginnings.
Apparently not when I’m playing & singing it doesn’t ... so cruel ...
The right sound hole pickup can work well for different applications. I’ve played in open tunings and DADGAD for years and hated my plugged in sound, then I learned that Marcus Mumford (Mumford & Sons) uses a sound hole pickup because it works and sounds better with those type of tunings compared to a piezo. I now use the same Fishman Rare Earth Humbucking sound hole pickups on all of my guitars that Mumford uses run into a Radial J48 DI and am very pleased with the sound.
Nice. Sounds pants past the sixth or seventh fret though right!? But as we all know, no acoustic guitarist should be up there anyway. Everyone’s a winner. Cheers!
That Pedal Show Have a quick listen to this sound - now I’m sure there’s loads of stuff happening at the desk, but played with finesse it doesn’t sound terrible up the neck. th-cam.com/video/3V-ZRNnlt4A/w-d-xo.html
I can always hear a bit of electric guitar. Which can be cool I guess! But you’re right about the touch and approach. Ultimately it’s about a setup that works for you and how you interact with it. There is no plugged in acoustic guitar that actually sounds much like an acoustic guitar so it evolves into its own thing and you bend it to work. I’ve kinda given up trying and now just run the K&K because it has the least physical impact on the guitar. AER does the rest. Cheers!
That Pedal Show Fair enough - like you said before, no acoustic guitar player has any business being that far up the neck anyway. There’s no money above the 12th fret!
Holy smokes! Everything was cool until Mick pluged in the AER Compact. That sounds amazing!
Best TPS for a while - looking forward to Part 2.
The whole thing with acoustic amplification is that you have what you have in terms of output and any adjustment needs to be done early in the signal chain. As the immortal Scotty said "You canna change the laws of physics cap'n"
Funny you mention the bluegrass guitarist being a she... If you haven't already, check out Molly Tuttle. She's the IBMA Guitarist of the Year, and just won Instrumentalist of the Year at Americana Fest. Absolutely incredible flatpicker (and singer).
Cool!
She’s a phenomenal player, I was lucky to see Her at the Green Note Camden a couple of months back. Don’t forget her Clawhammer skills I.e Save this heart etc!!
45:00 a bluegrass band opened for us on some dates on our last tour and played round a centrally positioned condenser mic. The bass was mic'd separately. It was awesome to see how they worked. The sound guys loved it 😁.
It’s an awe-inspiring thing when done. Better have a proper guitar if you want to do it though!