Totally agree with the notion of playing the game with characters you like. Way more satisfying for me than always following the meta, even if it's less efficient.
I think until your able to beat everything in the game you should play meta, after that playing whoever you want is more fun. Unless you don’t care about Moc
Me the guy who have atk boot cause i have 0 good speed boot, but every pieces of my set have atleast 2 speed on it, so it became 119 speed without the speed boot, is it ok?
I had both atk and spd img boots w/ double crit stats so I was unsure which to use on my dhil. that is until I leveled both and the substats made the decision easier. speed boots won btw since the atk boots decided to roll on useless stats.
Opposite with triple dot plus clara. Enemy is like "finally its our turn" My team "wait for it" Enemy "wait for wha-ramergleahkkkaaahhhhhkueh- uehhhhh...." "Now it's your turn" Enemy 'dead'.
the answer is pull luocha btw my 134spd imbabygirl lunae + 152spd e1 tingyun make me feel like i have his e2 so spd boot better if you have well build character
@@SCRKT007if your dps has multiple hit attacks then around 60% is fine unless you want to go rutilant. If you didn't know this, each hit has a chance to crit so high hit count attacks can possibly not lose that much damage from missing a couple of crits.
I'm not 100% sure how the math works, but I think E1 Tingyun (+20% speed) w/ speed relic set (+12 speed) + E1 Yukong (+10% speed) can buff 102 speed Danny up to ~145 speed. Could also run Dance!x3 to go even faster. No need for speed boots on this team, I think?
The short duration of the buffs shouldn't matter much, since fights that benefit from 134 speed are short ones anyway (point of 134 speed being to move twice in 1st cycle, instead of 2nd).
at e2 for dan it doesn't feel like it matters if you at least have 110 speed. If you have a ting with e1+ and dance dance dance you are likely fine with attack boots. I got a luocha with his light cone and an e6 ting with si 5 dance . That said I am guilty of using blade lunae silver luocha XD it's just more fun and when you have blade and dan at e2 with their cones it doesn't matter if it is "optimal" anymore.....they are very dead.
As someone who keeps rolling speed substats, my biggest challenge isn't to get my supports above 141 speed but rather trying to keep Danheng below 140, the moment I placed speed boots on him he already hit 138 speed 😖
While he might have skip past it, Under the Blue Sky is one of DanIL best 4 star LC as the stats bonuses he get from it is pretty high and allows you to build more CDamage.
Everyone should build their characters to have the maximum amount of fun they can, and different people have fun in different ways! Some people like "Unga Bunga Big Number", and some people like to play the Initial D soundtrack in the background while they game. Code seems to like the "Gas Gas Gas" playstyle, which is fine. ...but it is by no means his best. Attack Boots really are just better: you can see it in the damage he's dealing. 2300 attack is a crime, you're basically wasting all of the buffs that he's giving himself, all of his Crit Damage, and his Imaginary Relic. There IS a breakpoint around 2800-3000 where Attack starts to lose value compared to Crit Damage/Damage%, but with Speed Boots, your relics needs to be absolutely GODLY to get to that point. Yeah, 134 speed is nice, but taking 2-3 extra turns in 7 cycles isn't worth it if you're not getting a 3 stack Basic every time, and when you DO, it's tickling the enemy for like 60k. No WONDER Code keeps saying that Daniel's damage averages out with other Main DPS: it's because he's legitimately building him to go fast, deal less damage, and brick on skill points.
Honestly it's not that big an issue. Atk% sub has a bigger chance then any other dps to eat rolls. Combine that main stat atk is 50%. You can easily get that in substats for atk. That way you don't have to eat sub stats for spd and hope all your rolls go to atk%, crit dmg/rate, break. Honestly I'd say you should go for crit rate chest and just go for atk% subs.
@@Kspice9000 The real point is that Daniel doesn’t NEED speed at all. You get more damage by just ignoring speed altogether, and making him hit harder in the turns he has, because he’s effectively taking 3 turns at once. Unless you have an E2 Daniel, with sig Lightcone, you’re probably not going to have enough skill points to keep up with that speed anyway, because at any level of content where you’d ever see the benefit of speed over 7 cycles, you’re ALSO going to need to use skill points for cleansing/healing/shielding.
I borrowed a S0S1 speed boots DHIL with maxed trace and a fairly decent crit and relic set, but it only has 2000 attack. And using that thing was very underwhelming.
@@Eclin Exactly this! DHIL needs attack more than almost anything else, once you have a good Crit/Crit Damage on him, otherwise you just don’t get the nuking you want out of him. He’s the best DPS in the game, but also hard to build and play.
thats only 1 turn of enough speed every 3 turns, 4 if you didn't build her properly. Unless you use it on exactly the right cycles as well that speed does literally nothing
@@kamitik7283he will not demolish in the upcoming future remember moc gonna go harder like abyss bosses gonna have 2 m hp like that and u gonna auto once per life with no speed boots if u re not playing bronya
if you think about it, 500% ATK damage with 3 SP is actually way more efficient than 220% ATK with 1 SP. If you let IL just do normal attack in his second and third turn, you'll generate extra 2 SP, and deal a total of 700% ATK damage on a single target with a sum total of 1 SP across 3 turns. This is also why even in an alternating playstyle he is still very strong. Of course in the real case scenario, other characters have other kit (like res pen in seele, follow-up attack and whatnot), not mentioning supports, so it's not that simple, but it's still something to keep in mind.
Does it have to be 134 or 135 SPD or can he be slightly faster? My Daniël is at 140 SPD, and his supports all have more SPD than him. It seems to work.
It was strange that ppl were raging over 500% skill dmg from a 3 point attack, when you have phys MC who can hit for 450% with her ult almost every other turn.
Ayy code what black magic fkry is this? I was in chat when you recorded this 1hr20 min Daniel guide.. you tryna hide your poor editors workplace abuse huh
Dude non of these streamers know what the hell there talking about or at best give the most luke warm advice and keep saying just play who you like ... like ok cool i know that i aint just making teams of characters i just despise until all these CC told me not to. Most people are either looking for breakdowns of characterss teams and other new content when its released or just enjoy the sounds you make and your bright colors soothe them so your basically just a nightlight at that point.. Pay to win tactics thought they do work they are not the end all be all these and other concent creators on honkai or genshin are playing you and getting rich of your backs ..i cant make you any money or anything but i can guarantee that using a more strategy based outlook over grind mindset is plausible and i can prove itt by doing a 1v1 against any top creator who thinks they knowledgeable about this, I know 1v1 sounds goofy af like this aint that type of game right?? Ive been droning on to much already but feel free to dm or just message me and i will break it down more -Maxim CSaLTon
I got a some pretty good stats on my imagine dragon.Thing is that he was kinda beefy but i just thought that was because he was a destruction character turns out i was running hp% boots on him...
My Dan is doing more dmg than his and I have only 77% crit rate and 110% crit dmg with an S5 Fall of Aeons. It seems 4 pc imaginary set and 2pc rutilant set is better than random pieces to get 88% crit rate and 180%+ crit dmg. I'm still farming to get a Crit Dmg body with high crit rate so I can get a higher crit dmg %.
Do the speed of the supports just need to be a bit faster than Daniel? Like I have Daniel at 135 spd, so does that mean I just need the supports to have 136+ spd or do they need like a specific higher amount than that?
Yeah. Just +1 from IL is enough. Except for TY..She generally want to doubled the IL's SPD. But that's more like min-max stuff. From my experience, 127 SPD on IL, 162 SPD on TY with E1. It's very consistent. IL is effectively on 134 SPD. The other units can go with 135+ SPD.
Pulled him by accident with 1 ticket, after committing the sin of "building pity" and I gotta say... He's kinda underwhelming despite my relics having good substats... Maybe he really was overhyped, or maybe it's just that the people expected more out of him. I already gave him 72% Crit Rate 160 Crit DMG, done multiple main stat combinations with him yet he still feels... lacking, and I just can't pinpoint what that is or where it's from. If I were to build him, he's likely just gonna be an Imaginary breaker for me and nothing else.
That's honestly weird ngl since for me, he can just bruteforce any content with the right team (I also like seeing big damage numbers so he definitely feels a lot of fun for me). Kind of a waste of a team slot, if you're all doing is using him as an Imaginary breaker since he uses a fuck ton of SP. What's your stats and build btw? You have to make sure he is atleast at 2700 or 3000 ATK. Is it fast IL with ERR rope or slow IL with ATK rope? What's your team-comp looking like? Are your traces properly leveled?
He's the type to need a good/higher amount of investment to his everything before you can be satisfied with him ngl. Maybe he's not just for you at all. If he feels lacking then I guess you don't think his gimmick of using a lot of sp is not fun at all and I respect that. In my experience, he definitely is similar to Blade where he has 2 viable builds where he either can go fast or slow. I have Blade and Daniel so I do have a bias for them and if people think they're underwhelming I kind of get curious why cause all I see is gold.
@@--__--__--__--__--__--__-- no it's not that I don't find it "fun". It's more likely that I expected more out of him, you know. Also as satisfying as it is to pop his Ult, it's sad that it's not the highlight of his kit since his main source of damage is his basic attack(s). I gotta say though, I'm impressed that he doesn't seem to need an Energy rope despite his Ult costing 140. I do hope someday there'll be an alternative planar ornament set(s) for him since Rutilant Arena is such a nightmare to min max and farm tho. Edit: I also have a fully invested Blade, and maybe that's the reason why I'm underwhelmed because he has set the bar way too high for the DPS units for me. 😂 I've set him aside to build my Gepard that I got just before I lost my 50/50 instead because he's easier to build and I can instantly get more value out of him and for long. Maybe I'll come back for either DHIL or Yanqing after him.
@@Grayewick Yeah Blade's just too good of a unit honestly; tanky, sp efficient, and deals a lot of damage and not to mention how satisfying it is to use him. He's definitely gonna be better in the future with better buffers and also can be relegated into a Sub-DPS role if he ever gets powercrept. Gepard is really good with IL too, he's completely sp positive and if you go slow IL then you wouldn't have to worry about his shield running out. I do hope you give IL another chance with max investment since he's honestly worth it.
you have to build/speed tune the entire team around him to make him shine, and his LC makes a fairly solid difference since you get ult more often (it lets me use max enhance every turn + yukong skill most of the time). he needs very high investment
I got him on a 4* LC called clear blue sky but I wanna put him on the BP one no where to run. So far he's lvl 70 and the most I'm hitting is 9-10k with 3 skill points......I really do suck
Me, who actually got "lucky" to roll 9 speed on piece with (atk%\cr\cd\spd)... JUST LET DAN SLOW! I just wan't to tell you the difference from my perspective between speed boots and atk% if someone even care. I swapped aeon to signature and speed boots with 11%cd to atk boots with 5-6 cr\cd. So the highest number i managed to achieve on the word boss was about 330k, now i hit for 406-480 (can't tell what makes such gap, probably crit). But sometimes i feel like he is lacking of speed... like nobody need so much damage but u could kill those mobs to prevent them even move.
I tried atk vs spd boots on him on MOC 1 for a test and he finishes 2 cycles faster on spd boots. Just make the other units faster than him and everyones above 134 and it's fine. All my good rolls went into spd anyway lol.
My f2p everyday lineup for him are fire mc, natasha, yukong, daniel. During defensive state to cycle point, enemy can target MC, ensuring yukong & daniel not die lmao
Can you ever make us a short video on your routine for exp your characters without using your exp books? Otherwise thank you for your videos it helps enormously to understand the mechanics.
Himeko does 220% for 1 skill point, but she is also taking 3 turns to spend 3 skill points, Imbibitor Lunae spends 3 skill points in one turn. That means he has better control when to do burst damage and actually does more damage and spends less skill points in some sense: 500% + 2 x normal attack vs 3x220% by Himeko. Maybe I am missing something... (and then the bonus stats on top)
This guide came in clutch I wanted 1 asta to get her to E6 And as i was at pity 44 i decided to try and get her as there was "no chance" i get a 5* this early 2 pulls later and on pity 46 i get him(won the 50/50 too) I was like damnnn ig i need insane luck to get fu xuan now(i alr got all the mats for her and even boight the herta lc and fot it to S5) I was like ig now i can get asta without worrying ab getting another dan heng 2 pull later (pity 2) i get him again.... Now i decided to try and get him to E2 as it makes him even more op So now i have no 5* lc for him (bc i wasted all the tickets on the preservation one),no good artifact set and no mats😢😢 Ig i will have to wait till fu xuan rerun to get her
I'm kinda in the same position But my problem now is different I have dhil e1 and yukong e5 and I'm at pity 65 I was planning to get fu xuan (until she come, I can save 90 pulls) but I really want to get e6 for Yukong but if I lose my 50/50 to dhil I won't be able to guarantee FX I dunna what to do, if you have some recomandation since you rolled for e2 instead of FX lol
@@dark-lord-itachi-gojoofthe6166 fu xuan os rlly good But imo if u have loucha u can skip her for now In 1.4 we will start getting re runs I think its already confirmed that we will get a seele rerun(not 100% sure if its true tho) So we should get a fu xuan re run before 2.0 I think if u rlly want fu xuan dont pull If u rlly want yukong then u can risk it and go for 75 pity then stop if u rlly need fu xuan(bc after 75 pity the chances get 5* are higher and higher and u should never get over 80 pity if u have decent luck) On the other side if u get E2 dfil its still a big win as his E2 is insane If i understood right After u ult w him u get 3 scales(those special sp) and attack right then So u could do a 3 sp attack->ult->3(free) sp attack And if your focus is beating moc then an amazing dps could carry u just as well as an amazing supp do U could use offense as your best defense
lol same im just trying to get 1 more asta dupe. I still doesn't have him but losing 50/50 is fine for me since im actually aiming for FX. If I get him then great if not then guaranteed FX 😅
He has a base of 102 Add speed boots 127 You now need 7 more speed to reach 134 If u use 4pc Musketeer You only need 1 speed from your substat to reach 134
If you get his LC, no need regen rope i think. but it can be good for ult loop or even one turn ult, it might worth researching further and so far i aint getting any energy regen loop. sad
I got LC too... and gave in and got his e2... this vid made me do it.. I switched to atk rope but have the orb/rope with regen passive... works wonderfully especially with Tingyun... find myself with extra skill points for the subdps
So I have DHIL in e2, with s5 Aeons since I decided to go for his eidolons instead, i decided to make his team with Yukong e6 with the asta lightcone, Welt e1 with eye of the prey and Luocha e0 with time waits for no one. Is this a suitable team with their weapons or should i still change some things?
does every honkai star rail content creator have some kind of speech impediment? holy shit, i ve been looking for some guides and 9 out of 10 HSR creators are impossible to listen to....
honestly showcasing like this is more realistic than those videos where they just run 3 support 1 IL. I personally feel that having debuffers are also realistic in this sense since they're indirect buffers as well.
Just get 135 speed and as much ATK%/CRT DMG/CRT RATE as possible for your DPS. Also your support has to have enough requirement stat (example ATK% for Tingyun, CRT DMG for Bronya), extra SPD stat, 30% or more Effect Res, Charge rope. Right. that sound EZ if i can draw the stat for my relics
I'm using him with speed boots and energy rope. Luocha, Pela, Tingyun and Daniel. I have zero problems with skill points, BUT pela have to always basic attack. Which I'm fine with. If he get's hit a lot, then I can cast ult faster and I have points for Pela to use. I'm enjoying him, even though my artifacts are trash.
We have a healer that only heals with their skill and an ult that does damage. Now we need a healer that only heals with their ult and their skill deals damage.
i have a spd problem lol, i use 4pc spd set on tingyun and have raw stats of 156 spd, luocha on 138 spd and dh il at 137 spd. i want luocha to atk first so i can generate skill points but when i use tingyun ult on dh IL, he outspeeds luocha....... i cant shuffle my relics bcs theyre limited. even i want dh il's spd to go down, i just cant 💀
With E1 TY, you want 127 or 129 SPD. That will put him effectively at 134 or 136 SPD. Mine is 127 SPD so with 162 SPD E1 TY the order doesn't change. The other 2 units at 136 SPD.
I got him to cover his element, the same way i got Luocha. Now I Just need a Hunter. ^^) Even having Himeko, i guess my next Unit gonna be a fire Hunter.
I swear code’s takes are always super far into the other side of most other creators like he says the herta destruction cone is terrible and now he says speed is good but everyone else is like in the middle but like it seems like code is like all the way for speed boots
Par for the course for Global content creators. Straight-up feelscrafting and misinformation, I feel sorry for people who wasted resources following his advice.
I know, most people will say I cope but IL dan heng is VERY overrated, just close to seele lv (on single target), but no way in hell better. Luocha basically carry him so hard. Also his number 1 Yukong in the world actually did die at the end even with luocha. But if you can afford E2 then yes he is OP.
I haven't tested an attack rope but even with his light cone I got an energy regeneration rope since I feel he will have enough attack from tingyun and other level buffs but being able to use his burst almost every turn feels soooo good. I do really good damage without an atk rope and just atk boots Edit: my current team comp Lil Geppy, Nat-doc.exe, Foxian beauty prime, pretty boy Dragon Nuke
@jaminonthisbeet3650 no that sustain is just the right amount. I'm perfectly fine running the team as is. It works for all levels of content including auto battle. There is no need for me to change anything simple because you don't like my team lol. I'm never going to sacrifice survivability for a little more damage. I have enough to clear all levels of content
it means you need to either hyperinvest into one sustain like bailu or gepard and make them able to sustain the entire team with only their ult, in which case you can go sustain + daniel + tingyun/yukong + pela or have 2 sustains + daniel + pela/ tingyun
I completly understand that SPD does feels more comfortable, but it is downright impossible to get good speed stats as F2P. Like, I'm literally playing since release and only got 3 or 4 spd boots with main stat, talk about actually getting speed in substat. The new set does help tho.
Even if you put speed boot you'll need speed substats from other gears too to hit 134 for 1st speed breakpoint on characters. And with IL you need him to be slower than other chars on your team if you want the max DMG output so it will be like 134IL and 135 136 137 rest of the chars. Unless you run him with bronya the.n you'll need to run him with 135 and bronya 134 for optimal results
@@xfrankenstein6981u don't need any of these speed stats to clear any current content in the game even remotely non of my dps are at 134 speed and will just clear any moc fine until they hard change difficulty for you actually need those speed numbers you are usually good enough with just speed boots on average
You can almost push a two turn ult with lc and bronya if you have bronya go a bit slower and danIL you can hit a non boosted basic for a bit extra energy and then take another turn with bronya and use the booster attack to get more energy if you get hit or kill you can get a 2 turn ult. Though this set up needs a lot of speed tuning
spd or atk i imagine that inbibitor lunae is skill hungry character, if you put spd and got high speed then the skill point issue will be big and you cant even use his 3 skill point basic attack every turn then. still the same damage cause of skill point issue
Nah, it’s the game itself that is allergic to speed boots. I’ve been farming for Jing Yuan’s relics ever since his release and the only good speed boots I have for him is a 4* one. It’s easier to get better substats with ATK boots which is why majority of players go for ATK boots on their main DPS
About Tingyun though, I am slowly pivoting into the idea that his best support may be Asta especially if you got his E2 because it's really awkward to rebuff him with Tingyun because it only lasts for 3 turns whereas Asta's attack bonus is global and tied to her own turns only. Also, it leads to more consistent play because of the speed buff that if you compare it long-term, should have a similar effect to Tingyun. 12% bonus imaginary plus the potential burst buff from Yukong is also juicy though, and currently she's the only user who can use Planetary Randezvous until we get harmony MC. Harmony MC will be an interesting character to eventually pair with Danny.
His damage is so unfair compare to other Erudition character. Erudition characters has one job and that is dealing AOE damage. Dan Heng steal their job and do it better. What's the point of Erudition character anymore, if Destruction character can deal AOE damage better than them?
I guess you pull for Jing Yuan? If you have his LC and Bronya + tingyun don't lose hope. To this day CN player still pump out JY EOS1 0 cycle on all MOC 10 floors till now (don't matter if is the first or second halve) I know is hard to get good gear but I feel like he shine better with good gear.
@@zeroBRSmidyuan need too much to do his job. Meanwhile il doesn't need his lc, just slap him tingyun, pela (which everyone have) then boom 100k per turn.
The only character that hit above 140 speed on my f2p acc is seele.. aint no way i can get pela, ting and yukong to do that AND get good speed boots for IL🫡 So atk boots it is
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Totally agree with the notion of playing the game with characters you like. Way more satisfying for me than always following the meta, even if it's less efficient.
I think until your able to beat everything in the game you should play meta, after that playing whoever you want is more fun. Unless you don’t care about Moc
@@mountaindew7701Ok you pulled for DHIL no need to talk anymore.
@@huckleberryjam4975 I didn’t pull him
Imagine if you like the characters that are meta 😂
.. What if u like all of em
I play him with bronya her own LC, yukong for planetary... so sometimes u get that double crit ulti from them and he his so hard
Surely the background music is from Digimon World 3? Or am I tripping?
I don’t have tingyun
Me the guy who have atk boot cause i have 0 good speed boot, but every pieces of my set have atleast 2 speed on it, so it became 119 speed without the speed boot, is it ok?
80/180 cr cd jesus 😂 give me that.
I had both atk and spd img boots w/ double crit stats so I was unsure which to use on my dhil. that is until I leveled both and the substats made the decision easier. speed boots won btw since the atk boots decided to roll on useless stats.
I much prefer having speed. Watching my units get whaled on by the enemy while I am desperately waiting for his action is painful
Opposite with triple dot plus clara.
Enemy is like "finally its our turn"
My team "wait for it"
Enemy "wait for wha-ramergleahkkkaaahhhhhkueh- uehhhhh...."
"Now it's your turn"
Enemy 'dead'.
Bronya exist 💀
i bonked mox 6 kafka with a slow heng , 2 tries ?
@@crimsondemon6231 not everyone has her
the answer is pull luocha
btw my 134spd imbabygirl lunae + 152spd e1 tingyun make me feel like i have his e2 so spd boot better if you have well build character
I love speed in any turn based game. Unless there's another characters that plays like Clara, I'm definitely giving everyone speed boots.
The amount of extra dmg from rutilant arena set bonus is really good.
It’s just so hard to hit that 70% crit without sacrificing crit damage
@@XMS1212XIf you don't have at least 80% Rate you might as well not Crit at all lol
just get space sealing station instead
@@XMS1212Xyea
@@SCRKT007if your dps has multiple hit attacks then around 60% is fine unless you want to go rutilant.
If you didn't know this, each hit has a chance to crit so high hit count attacks can possibly not lose that much damage from missing a couple of crits.
I'm not 100% sure how the math works, but I think E1 Tingyun (+20% speed) w/ speed relic set (+12 speed) + E1 Yukong (+10% speed) can buff 102 speed Danny up to ~145 speed. Could also run Dance!x3 to go even faster.
No need for speed boots on this team, I think?
I mean tingyun buff is only 1 turn after ulting, speed set is also only 1 turn, and yukong is only first 2 turns
All of those buffs are very short
The short duration of the buffs shouldn't matter much, since fights that benefit from 134 speed are short ones anyway (point of 134 speed being to move twice in 1st cycle, instead of 2nd).
The best piece I prefarmed for him was a speed boot. So you're saying I dont have to dumpster it after all?
None of my supports have hit over 140 speed 😭
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Relics take too much effort n rng. He's gonna get a decent crit value n thats good enough
at e2 for dan it doesn't feel like it matters if you at least have 110 speed. If you have a ting with e1+ and dance dance dance you are likely fine with attack boots. I got a luocha with his light cone and an e6 ting with si 5 dance . That said I am guilty of using blade lunae silver luocha XD it's just more fun and when you have blade and dan at e2 with their cones it doesn't matter if it is "optimal" anymore.....they are very dead.
True I have E2 Dan and sadly E0 Tingyun they’re a crazy combo.
I love how when Code is explaining the relics and stats chat is just MALDING (rightfully so)
As someone who keeps rolling speed substats, my biggest challenge isn't to get my supports above 141 speed but rather trying to keep Danheng below 140, the moment I placed speed boots on him he already hit 138 speed 😖
While he might have skip past it, Under the Blue Sky is one of DanIL best 4 star LC as the stats bonuses he get from it is pretty high and allows you to build more CDamage.
Bruh the fastest unit on my account is 134 😂😂😂 yall here saying supports should be 150 😂😂😂
I love how E1 pretty much makes his elemental damage bonus double and its so satisfying
E2 gives him an extra turn and max enhanced basic atk
Everyone should build their characters to have the maximum amount of fun they can, and different people have fun in different ways! Some people like "Unga Bunga Big Number", and some people like to play the Initial D soundtrack in the background while they game. Code seems to like the "Gas Gas Gas" playstyle, which is fine.
...but it is by no means his best. Attack Boots really are just better: you can see it in the damage he's dealing. 2300 attack is a crime, you're basically wasting all of the buffs that he's giving himself, all of his Crit Damage, and his Imaginary Relic. There IS a breakpoint around 2800-3000 where Attack starts to lose value compared to Crit Damage/Damage%, but with Speed Boots, your relics needs to be absolutely GODLY to get to that point. Yeah, 134 speed is nice, but taking 2-3 extra turns in 7 cycles isn't worth it if you're not getting a 3 stack Basic every time, and when you DO, it's tickling the enemy for like 60k. No WONDER Code keeps saying that Daniel's damage averages out with other Main DPS: it's because he's legitimately building him to go fast, deal less damage, and brick on skill points.
Honestly it's not that big an issue.
Atk% sub has a bigger chance then any other dps to eat rolls.
Combine that main stat atk is 50%.
You can easily get that in substats for atk.
That way you don't have to eat sub stats for spd and hope all your rolls go to atk%, crit dmg/rate, break. Honestly I'd say you should go for crit rate chest and just go for atk% subs.
speed for consistency
atk for dmg per ss and hyper buff stacking on dan
@@Kspice9000 The real point is that Daniel doesn’t NEED speed at all. You get more damage by just ignoring speed altogether, and making him hit harder in the turns he has, because he’s effectively taking 3 turns at once. Unless you have an E2 Daniel, with sig Lightcone, you’re probably not going to have enough skill points to keep up with that speed anyway, because at any level of content where you’d ever see the benefit of speed over 7 cycles, you’re ALSO going to need to use skill points for cleansing/healing/shielding.
I borrowed a S0S1 speed boots DHIL with maxed trace and a fairly decent crit and relic set, but it only has 2000 attack. And using that thing was very underwhelming.
@@Eclin Exactly this! DHIL needs attack more than almost anything else, once you have a good Crit/Crit Damage on him, otherwise you just don’t get the nuking you want out of him. He’s the best DPS in the game, but also hard to build and play.
I have him at 115 speed with tingyun E1. It is just enough to get to 134+ speed, so I will keep him with atk boots
thats only 1 turn of enough speed every 3 turns, 4 if you didn't build her properly. Unless you use it on exactly the right cycles as well that speed does literally nothing
@@Mr_Mellowzatk boots is still better, already tried it, he demolished everything with 2 harmony + 1 nihility (currently doesn’t have bronya)
@kamitik7283 attack definitely better, us normal humans don't need to mid max for 0 cycles just 3 starts
@@TaviiCatnissyes!!! lol, might give tingyun the dance, dance, dance LC for out speed some of the opponents
@@kamitik7283he will not demolish in the upcoming future remember moc gonna go harder like abyss bosses gonna have 2 m hp like that and u gonna auto once per life with no speed boots if u re not playing bronya
if you think about it, 500% ATK damage with 3 SP is actually way more efficient than 220% ATK with 1 SP. If you let IL just do normal attack in his second and third turn, you'll generate extra 2 SP, and deal a total of 700% ATK damage on a single target with a sum total of 1 SP across 3 turns. This is also why even in an alternating playstyle he is still very strong.
Of course in the real case scenario, other characters have other kit (like res pen in seele, follow-up attack and whatnot), not mentioning supports, so it's not that simple, but it's still something to keep in mind.
Does it have to be 134 or 135 SPD or can he be slightly faster? My Daniël is at 140 SPD, and his supports all have more SPD than him. It seems to work.
It's fine as long as he's below 141
It was strange that ppl were raging over 500% skill dmg from a 3 point attack, when you have phys MC who can hit for 450% with her ult almost every other turn.
His name is Dan Heng not Daniel ffs
Very relatable stats code
Ayy code what black magic fkry is this? I was in chat when you recorded this 1hr20 min Daniel guide.. you tryna hide your poor editors workplace abuse huh
Dude non of these streamers know what the hell there talking about or at best give the most luke warm advice and keep saying just play who you like ... like ok cool i know that i aint just making teams of characters i just despise until all these CC told me not to. Most people are either looking for breakdowns of characterss teams and other new content when its released or just enjoy the sounds you make and your bright colors soothe them so your basically just a nightlight at that point..
Pay to win tactics thought they do work they are not the end all be all these and other concent creators on honkai or genshin are playing you and getting rich of your backs ..i cant make you any money or anything but i can guarantee that using a more strategy based outlook over grind mindset is plausible and i can prove itt by doing a 1v1 against any top creator who thinks they knowledgeable about this,
I know 1v1 sounds goofy af like this aint that type of game right?? Ive been droning on to much already but feel free to dm or just message me and i will break it down more
-Maxim
CSaLTon
I got a some pretty good stats on my imagine dragon.Thing is that he was kinda beefy but i just thought that was because he was a destruction character turns out i was running hp% boots on him...
My Dan is doing more dmg than his and I have only 77% crit rate and 110% crit dmg with an S5 Fall of Aeons. It seems 4 pc imaginary set and 2pc rutilant set is better than random pieces to get 88% crit rate and 180%+ crit dmg. I'm still farming to get a Crit Dmg body with high crit rate so I can get a higher crit dmg %.
Rutilant Arena is a huge difference. No offense to him, but this is not really a guide. it's just a showcase of relics and his personal preferences.
right, i also think 4 pc imaginary set is better
Yeah, maybe ur il is a hypercarry while his just a random slot in his team.
it feels like hes using him wrong or am i dumb?...
Do the speed of the supports just need to be a bit faster than Daniel? Like I have Daniel at 135 spd, so does that mean I just need the supports to have 136+ spd or do they need like a specific higher amount than that?
Yeah. Just +1 from IL is enough. Except for TY..She generally want to doubled the IL's SPD. But that's more like min-max stuff. From my experience, 127 SPD on IL, 162 SPD on TY with E1. It's very consistent. IL is effectively on 134 SPD. The other units can go with 135+ SPD.
@@nyx4074 Alright thanks!!
without watching the video, depends on comp, but ATK% for sure
Bro forgor about Lukas💀
Luka is king.
Can't wait for fu for luka, sampo, kafka triple dot.
Pulled him by accident with 1 ticket, after committing the sin of "building pity" and I gotta say...
He's kinda underwhelming despite my relics having good substats... Maybe he really was overhyped, or maybe it's just that the people expected more out of him. I already gave him 72% Crit Rate 160 Crit DMG, done multiple main stat combinations with him yet he still feels... lacking, and I just can't pinpoint what that is or where it's from. If I were to build him, he's likely just gonna be an Imaginary breaker for me and nothing else.
That's honestly weird ngl since for me, he can just bruteforce any content with the right team (I also like seeing big damage numbers so he definitely feels a lot of fun for me). Kind of a waste of a team slot, if you're all doing is using him as an Imaginary breaker since he uses a fuck ton of SP. What's your stats and build btw? You have to make sure he is atleast at 2700 or 3000 ATK. Is it fast IL with ERR rope or slow IL with ATK rope? What's your team-comp looking like? Are your traces properly leveled?
He's the type to need a good/higher amount of investment to his everything before you can be satisfied with him ngl. Maybe he's not just for you at all. If he feels lacking then I guess you don't think his gimmick of using a lot of sp is not fun at all and I respect that. In my experience, he definitely is similar to Blade where he has 2 viable builds where he either can go fast or slow. I have Blade and Daniel so I do have a bias for them and if people think they're underwhelming I kind of get curious why cause all I see is gold.
@@--__--__--__--__--__--__-- no it's not that I don't find it "fun". It's more likely that I expected more out of him, you know. Also as satisfying as it is to pop his Ult, it's sad that it's not the highlight of his kit since his main source of damage is his basic attack(s).
I gotta say though, I'm impressed that he doesn't seem to need an Energy rope despite his Ult costing 140. I do hope someday there'll be an alternative planar ornament set(s) for him since Rutilant Arena is such a nightmare to min max and farm tho.
Edit: I also have a fully invested Blade, and maybe that's the reason why I'm underwhelmed because he has set the bar way too high for the DPS units for me. 😂
I've set him aside to build my Gepard that I got just before I lost my 50/50 instead because he's easier to build and I can instantly get more value out of him and for long. Maybe I'll come back for either DHIL or Yanqing after him.
@@Grayewick Yeah Blade's just too good of a unit honestly; tanky, sp efficient, and deals a lot of damage and not to mention how satisfying it is to use him. He's definitely gonna be better in the future with better buffers and also can be relegated into a Sub-DPS role if he ever gets powercrept. Gepard is really good with IL too, he's completely sp positive and if you go slow IL then you wouldn't have to worry about his shield running out. I do hope you give IL another chance with max investment since he's honestly worth it.
you have to build/speed tune the entire team around him to make him shine, and his LC makes a fairly solid difference since you get ult more often (it lets me use max enhance every turn + yukong skill most of the time). he needs very high investment
I dont need Speed boots if they die in 2 turns.
I got him on a 4* LC called clear blue sky but I wanna put him on the BP one no where to run. So far he's lvl 70 and the most I'm hitting is 9-10k with 3 skill points......I really do suck
Me, who actually got "lucky" to roll 9 speed on piece with (atk%\cr\cd\spd)... JUST LET DAN SLOW! I just wan't to tell you the difference from my perspective between speed boots and atk% if someone even care. I swapped aeon to signature and speed boots with 11%cd to atk boots with 5-6 cr\cd. So the highest number i managed to achieve on the word boss was about 330k, now i hit for 406-480 (can't tell what makes such gap, probably crit). But sometimes i feel like he is lacking of speed... like nobody need so much damage but u could kill those mobs to prevent them even move.
Mr Chode as a Steel main that breaks the rules everytime. What do you say is her best Lightcone?
I tried atk vs spd boots on him on MOC 1 for a test and he finishes 2 cycles faster on spd boots. Just make the other units faster than him and everyones above 134 and it's fine. All my good rolls went into spd anyway lol.
My f2p everyday lineup for him are fire mc, natasha, yukong, daniel. During defensive state to cycle point, enemy can target MC, ensuring yukong & daniel not die lmao
I finally beat mox 6 with JY and Him :))))) full star baby. Kafka taking 250 k dmg from a slow heng with e6 sub dps yukong and a def shred pela .
People always forget ting buffs speed too! just run atk% and 12 speed for 134 speed with ting buff
Can you ever make us a short video on your routine for exp your characters without using your exp books?
Otherwise thank you for your videos it helps enormously to understand the mechanics.
As genshin and hsr player, its impossible :)
i think he said that he kills every single enemy on the map for characters exp lmao
Me watching this video while losing my 50/50 to clara hmmm he's op 😢😢😢
Foxian hate is reall
Himeko does 220% for 1 skill point, but she is also taking 3 turns to spend 3 skill points, Imbibitor Lunae spends 3 skill points in one turn. That means he has better control when to do burst damage and actually does more damage and spends less skill points in some sense:
500% + 2 x normal attack vs 3x220% by Himeko. Maybe I am missing something...
(and then the bonus stats on top)
This guide came in clutch
I wanted 1 asta to get her to E6
And as i was at pity 44 i decided to try and get her as there was "no chance" i get a 5* this early
2 pulls later and on pity 46 i get him(won the 50/50 too)
I was like damnnn ig i need insane luck to get fu xuan now(i alr got all the mats for her and even boight the herta lc and fot it to S5)
I was like ig now i can get asta without worrying ab getting another dan heng
2 pull later (pity 2) i get him again....
Now i decided to try and get him to E2 as it makes him even more op
So now i have no 5* lc for him (bc i wasted all the tickets on the preservation one),no good artifact set and no mats😢😢
Ig i will have to wait till fu xuan rerun to get her
I'm kinda in the same position
But my problem now is different
I have dhil e1 and yukong e5 and I'm at pity 65
I was planning to get fu xuan (until she come, I can save 90 pulls) but I really want to get e6 for Yukong but if I lose my 50/50 to dhil I won't be able to guarantee FX
I dunna what to do, if you have some recomandation since you rolled for e2 instead of FX lol
@@dark-lord-itachi-gojoofthe6166 fu xuan os rlly good
But imo if u have loucha u can skip her for now
In 1.4 we will start getting re runs
I think its already confirmed that we will get a seele rerun(not 100% sure if its true tho)
So we should get a fu xuan re run before 2.0
I think if u rlly want fu xuan dont pull
If u rlly want yukong then u can risk it and go for 75 pity then stop if u rlly need fu xuan(bc after 75 pity the chances get 5* are higher and higher and u should never get over 80 pity if u have decent luck)
On the other side if u get E2 dfil its still a big win as his E2 is insane
If i understood right
After u ult w him u get 3 scales(those special sp) and attack right then
So u could do a 3 sp attack->ult->3(free) sp attack
And if your focus is beating moc then an amazing dps could carry u just as well as an amazing supp do
U could use offense as your best defense
lol same im just trying to get 1 more asta dupe. I still doesn't have him but losing 50/50 is fine for me since im actually aiming for FX. If I get him then great if not then guaranteed FX 😅
You just got to choose: is E6 more important than a new unit you want? That's all there is to it.
@@Kamishi845 how was i to know that i get insane luck when i didnt want too....
It was frikin pity 46 no guaratee then pity 2 no guaratee....
Yo uhhh question
How much is arena better than SSS
i mean by % like is it better by 10% 5% or hm
it took everything i had to get blade to 134 i can't imagine being able to get characters above that.
He has a base of 102
Add speed boots
127
You now need 7 more speed to reach 134
If u use 4pc Musketeer
You only need 1 speed from your substat to reach 134
blade base spd is low so its understandable, and its ok to make blade a slow dps since he will counter anyway
lmao... my dan ults every two turn... regen rope is broken
If you get his LC, no need regen rope i think. but it can be good for ult loop or even one turn ult, it might worth researching further and so far i aint getting any energy regen loop. sad
I got LC too... and gave in and got his e2... this vid made me do it.. I switched to atk rope but have the orb/rope with regen passive... works wonderfully especially with Tingyun... find myself with extra skill points for the subdps
Pela stupid auto ai spamming skill makes auto shit lmao unless theres a feature to prio basic attack
because of loving atk% yukong is good with him no?
So I have DHIL in e2, with s5 Aeons since I decided to go for his eidolons instead, i decided to make his team with Yukong e6 with the asta lightcone, Welt e1 with eye of the prey and Luocha e0 with time waits for no one. Is this a suitable team with their weapons or should i still change some things?
ATK% boots feels better imo. And spd tuning supports is easier.
Smh wanting to move after your enemy in a turn based game
@@SolarionEX what enemys? IL deletes everything
He's one I'd say to just spd subs on him.
Maybe boots but I say 125 to 135 would be easily enough.
@@satsu2667 sure buddy, just pray your Dan doesnt get imprisoned lmao
@@Kspice9000 ye cowboy set whit Tingyun is enough from my expiriance and use atk boots
does every honkai star rail content creator have some kind of speech impediment?
holy shit, i ve been looking for some guides and 9 out of 10 HSR creators are impossible to listen to....
pepeW
honestly showcasing like this is more realistic than those videos where they just run 3 support 1 IL. I personally feel that having debuffers are also realistic in this sense since they're indirect buffers as well.
Just put purple speed boots on daniel he will still be slower than everyone else
I dont even have enough credit to level up all my characters that i usually use. Sadge
Just get 135 speed and as much ATK%/CRT DMG/CRT RATE as possible for your DPS.
Also your support has to have enough requirement stat (example ATK% for Tingyun, CRT DMG for Bronya), extra SPD stat, 30% or more Effect Res, Charge rope.
Right. that sound EZ if i can draw the stat for my relics
I'm using him with speed boots and energy rope. Luocha, Pela, Tingyun and Daniel.
I have zero problems with skill points, BUT pela have to always basic attack. Which I'm fine with.
If he get's hit a lot, then I can cast ult faster and I have points for Pela to use.
I'm enjoying him, even though my artifacts are trash.
And I could also have a team with Luocha, Blade, Tingyun and Daniel.
Also with no SP issues. And having both doing damage the enemies stand no chance.
IL Dan Heng*
@@myfuturelife4445 u corrected them and still misspelled Dan Heng 💀
@@mike_ewul dam auto correct I just notice my bad xdd
Well, i got lightcone in 27/30 n daniel in like 75ish 🥺😭😭😭😭
I need 2 more i want E2 daniel
Energy regen globe relic.. vs ATk% relic globe?
Using him with blade and jingyuan so i opted for atk bc i cannot w the skill points-
So glad I didn't pull for Kafka.
We have a healer that only heals with their skill and an ult that does damage. Now we need a healer that only heals with their ult and their skill deals damage.
I’m stuck at 133 speed for him, lol.
i have a spd problem lol, i use 4pc spd set on tingyun and have raw stats of 156 spd, luocha on 138 spd and dh il at 137 spd. i want luocha to atk first so i can generate skill points but when i use tingyun ult on dh IL, he outspeeds luocha....... i cant shuffle my relics bcs theyre limited. even i want dh il's spd to go down, i just cant 💀
With E1 TY, you want 127 or 129 SPD. That will put him effectively at 134 or 136 SPD. Mine is 127 SPD so with 162 SPD E1 TY the order doesn't change. The other 2 units at 136 SPD.
He's so much better with atk.
I got him to cover his element, the same way i got Luocha. Now I Just need a Hunter. ^^) Even having Himeko, i guess my next Unit gonna be a fire Hunter.
I swear code’s takes are always super far into the other side of most other creators like he says the herta destruction cone is terrible and now he says speed is good but everyone else is like in the middle but like it seems like code is like all the way for speed boots
Par for the course for Global content creators. Straight-up feelscrafting and misinformation, I feel sorry for people who wasted resources following his advice.
Code needs correction 😭😭😭💢💢💢
this is genshin all over again, completely overpowered characters making the content trivial to complete
I know, most people will say I cope but IL dan heng is VERY overrated, just close to seele lv (on single target), but no way in hell better.
Luocha basically carry him so hard. Also his number 1 Yukong in the world actually did die at the end even with luocha.
But if you can afford E2 then yes he is OP.
I haven't tested an attack rope but even with his light cone I got an energy regeneration rope since I feel he will have enough attack from tingyun and other level buffs but being able to use his burst almost every turn feels soooo good. I do really good damage without an atk rope and just atk boots
Edit: my current team comp
Lil Geppy, Nat-doc.exe, Foxian beauty prime, pretty boy Dragon Nuke
terrible team comp, too much sustain, change nat to Pela.
I love how you named them lol
@@Hiro-of1cw 😂
@jaminonthisbeet3650 no that sustain is just the right amount. I'm perfectly fine running the team as is. It works for all levels of content including auto battle. There is no need for me to change anything simple because you don't like my team lol. I'm never going to sacrifice survivability for a little more damage. I have enough to clear all levels of content
@@jaminonthisbeet3650 there's no such thing as "too much sustain"
Which is better support for IL, a fast E1S1 bronya or E6 tingyun?
both
speed boost are trash if E2 or more
The things I'd do for those boots
I call him Imagine Dragon *smug*
Pls tell straight: if i don't have Luocha i am f**ed in building dan team right?((
nah, it's just harder to survive, take a tank then but it's not impossible at all, im running him with baizhu, mc and yu kong but even natasha is fine
it means you need to either hyperinvest into one sustain like bailu or gepard and make them able to sustain the entire team with only their ult, in which case you can go sustain + daniel + tingyun/yukong + pela
or have 2 sustains + daniel + pela/ tingyun
ATK > SPD Boots
That Yukong omg
Just farm relics to make your supports crazy fast
Luocha, IL, Tingyun and Yukong not viable team with Yukong going SP neutral?
Its def viable if youre not stupid
Yes it is
E6 Yukong makes it much easier to play.
I completly understand that SPD does feels more comfortable, but it is downright impossible to get good speed stats as F2P. Like, I'm literally playing since release and only got 3 or 4 spd boots with main stat, talk about actually getting speed in substat.
The new set does help tho.
Honestly it's better to just use your special resin to make your own.
Even though they have garbage subs like the one that drop for dps.
@@Kspice9000they will come eventually though, higher drop rate than energy rope and your needed elemental dmg orb
Even if you put speed boot you'll need speed substats from other gears too to hit 134 for 1st speed breakpoint on characters. And with IL you need him to be slower than other chars on your team if you want the max DMG output so it will be like 134IL and 135 136 137 rest of the chars. Unless you run him with bronya the.n you'll need to run him with 135 and bronya 134 for optimal results
@@xfrankenstein6981u don't need any of these speed stats to clear any current content in the game even remotely non of my dps are at 134 speed and will just clear any moc fine until they hard change difficulty for you actually need those speed numbers you are usually good enough with just speed boots on average
@@Kspice9000 I did 2 times, but like you said, they had reaally garbage stats.
E2 Dan plays completely differently in comparison to E0 his break potential and damage output plus energy regen is so much more
Yeah you need speed in MOC because the new waves come in and out speed you while DHIL is a glass cannon.
You can almost push a two turn ult with lc and bronya if you have bronya go a bit slower and danIL you can hit a non boosted basic for a bit extra energy and then take another turn with bronya and use the booster attack to get more energy if you get hit or kill you can get a 2 turn ult. Though this set up needs a lot of speed tuning
I hope this helps me want to build Dan Heng IL again, I got him, built him, played a sim universe, got bored LOL
His argument: "just get to 134 speed for IL and make your supports have 150 speed 4head"
For turn based game speed is king
Under Blue Sky is the best 4* option for Dan Heng IL lol.
spd or atk
i imagine that inbibitor lunae is skill hungry character, if you put spd and got high speed then the skill point issue will be big and you cant even use his 3 skill point basic attack every turn then. still the same damage cause of skill point issue
Hsr players are allergic to speed boots.
???
Nah, it’s the game itself that is allergic to speed boots. I’ve been farming for Jing Yuan’s relics ever since his release and the only good speed boots I have for him is a 4* one. It’s easier to get better substats with ATK boots which is why majority of players go for ATK boots on their main DPS
Its just that speed boots kinda hard to get. And mostly people expecting you have Bronya if you use Atk boots. Yes this mentality....
About Tingyun though, I am slowly pivoting into the idea that his best support may be Asta especially if you got his E2 because it's really awkward to rebuff him with Tingyun because it only lasts for 3 turns whereas Asta's attack bonus is global and tied to her own turns only. Also, it leads to more consistent play because of the speed buff that if you compare it long-term, should have a similar effect to Tingyun. 12% bonus imaginary plus the potential burst buff from Yukong is also juicy though, and currently she's the only user who can use Planetary Randezvous until we get harmony MC. Harmony MC will be an interesting character to eventually pair with Danny.
His damage is so unfair compare to other Erudition character. Erudition characters has one job and that is dealing AOE damage. Dan Heng steal their job and do it better. What's the point of Erudition character anymore, if Destruction character can deal AOE damage better than them?
I guess you pull for Jing Yuan? If you have his LC and Bronya + tingyun don't lose hope. To this day CN player still pump out JY EOS1 0 cycle on all MOC 10 floors till now (don't matter if is the first or second halve)
I know is hard to get good gear but I feel like he shine better with good gear.
@@zeroBRSmidyuan need too much to do his job. Meanwhile il doesn't need his lc, just slap him tingyun, pela (which everyone have) then boom 100k per turn.
Erudition is in a weird state. Hyv call it the AoE class but Destruction characters like DHIL as well as Blade deal equally or better AoE damage
The only character that hit above 140 speed on my f2p acc is seele.. aint no way i can get pela, ting and yukong to do that AND get good speed boots for IL🫡
So atk boots it is