What a coincidence! I literally just started re-playing Frontier yesterday night! Although I'm still ST gaming, I'm playing the PC version through DOSbox.
I saw FRONTIER: ELITE II for the Amiga at a finnish 🇫🇮 website this month. I even made a bid for it - and lost it to another bidder 😹. The Atari ST version of this game looks and sounds absolutely retrospectively brilliant 😺👍🕹️. A big retrospective like 👍🕹️ from Vantaa, Finland 🇫🇮.
Frontier Elite would be even more a slideshow if they would have used the full screen. Amiga 500 lacking almost 1 Mhz compared to the ST is already problematic on this partly drawn screen. There a few 3d filled polygon games the performance is better on the ST. But both weren't really good enough really to be honest (although I did play it alot.)
Its been a million years since I did it, but I thought you could hold left and right mouse buttons during boot to select 50/60hz, that way it will be full screen and run 20% higher frame rate.
@@Mash4D No it wouldn't because the frame rate of the screen is something different than the speed of the CPU. Pal 7.09 Ntsc 7.16. It's less than 1% faster in Ntsc. But the Fullscreen might be nice though.
No, Frontier is actually slower on the Amiga 500.... about 10%! (The CPU is slighlty faster in the ST 8 Mhz vs Amiga 500 (Pal) 7.09 Mhz. And for this kind of polygon filled 3d games that really matters.)
@@erikkarsies4851 it really isn't felt though to any massive extent. Better definitely but by very little and not at all something of an advantage like some Atari fans cling to
@@adroharv5140 You actually can see the difference in the video if you pay close attention. But on the other hand both machines really struggled with it... especially on planets. Seconds per frame so to say. So I mostly stayed on space stations and sold the atmospheric shielding immediately. (There were other games were it mattered more and don't get me started about Amiga fans like stupid games just because they looked and sounded better on their newer machine)
@@erikkarsies4851 I would personally say it's a noticeable difference certainly but it's also a marginal one. I came from owning and enjoying the heck out of mt Atari ST and having played this a lot on the ST I would have been hugely disappointed if the Amiga was comparatively dog slow but it isn't. I will say however that the claim of Amiga music automatically meaning it's better isn't the case. Wanderer 3dd, Xenon as an example sound much better on the ST and I'd argue that sometimes the Amiga sound fx could be rather harsh on the ears. ST Stunt car Racer is a little easier on the ears I think despite how the Amiga fx are very impressive. The claim though that ST music or fx is better though really comes down to how effectively both machines have effectively been used in getting the best or worst out of them which is why. Personally I like the ST'S limitation when it's been used particularly well but the Amiga could really sing when also being used effectively.
What a coincidence! I literally just started re-playing Frontier yesterday night! Although I'm still ST gaming, I'm playing the PC version through DOSbox.
Wow a 520st or 1024 st, We had both, that was something, we were glued to that game.
So satifying. Brings back memories from the Amiga. Frontier Elite II is in my top 5 played Amiga games ever.
Really great game
those are both impressive!! and beautiful computers and monitors! this was and is a great game to have in your home!
Thanks!
BTW, you are aware that we are all old :)
Yea
For sure :)
Amiga with MIDI interface 🙂
I saw FRONTIER: ELITE II for the Amiga
at a finnish 🇫🇮 website this month.
I even made a bid for it -
and lost it to another bidder 😹.
The Atari ST version of this game looks and sounds absolutely retrospectively brilliant 😺👍🕹️.
A big retrospective like 👍🕹️ from
Vantaa, Finland 🇫🇮.
Thanks a lot!
Amiga > Atari Junk. Always will be :) I own both.
Yea
Amiga was expensive junk at the beginning. But Atari didn't improve enough unfortunately and Amiga did. The 1200 was a good machine!
On retombe en enfance / adolescence. Le design du ST est plus agréable quand même...
Je trouve aussi
It annoys me how so many Amiga games aren't full screen.
Totally agree. It's a pity
Frontier Elite would be even more a slideshow if they would have used the full screen. Amiga 500 lacking almost 1 Mhz compared to the ST is already problematic on this partly drawn screen. There a few 3d filled polygon games the performance is better on the ST. But both weren't really good enough really to be honest (although I did play it alot.)
Its been a million years since I did it, but I thought you could hold left and right mouse buttons during boot to select 50/60hz, that way it will be full screen and run 20% higher frame rate.
@@Mash4D No it wouldn't because the frame rate of the screen is something different than the speed of the CPU. Pal 7.09 Ntsc 7.16. It's less than 1% faster in Ntsc. But the Fullscreen might be nice though.
Ouch. Amiga beats the ST on graphics AND sound.
but not on case design
No, Frontier is actually slower on the Amiga 500.... about 10%!
(The CPU is slighlty faster in the ST 8 Mhz vs Amiga 500 (Pal) 7.09 Mhz. And for this kind of polygon filled 3d games that really matters.)
@@erikkarsies4851 it really isn't felt though to any massive extent. Better definitely but by very little and not at all something of an advantage like some Atari fans cling to
@@adroharv5140 You actually can see the difference in the video if you pay close attention. But on the other hand both machines really struggled with it... especially on planets. Seconds per frame so to say. So I mostly stayed on space stations and sold the atmospheric shielding immediately.
(There were other games were it mattered more and don't get me started about Amiga fans like stupid games just because they looked and sounded better on their newer machine)
@@erikkarsies4851 I would personally say it's a noticeable difference certainly but it's also a marginal one. I came from owning and enjoying the heck out of mt Atari ST and having played this a lot on the ST I would have been hugely disappointed if the Amiga was comparatively dog slow but it isn't.
I will say however that the claim of Amiga music automatically meaning it's better isn't the case. Wanderer 3dd, Xenon as an example sound much better on the ST and I'd argue that sometimes the Amiga sound fx could be rather harsh on the ears. ST Stunt car Racer is a little easier on the ears I think despite how the Amiga fx are very impressive. The claim though that ST music or fx is better though really comes down to how effectively both machines have effectively been used in getting the best or worst out of them which is why. Personally I like the ST'S limitation when it's been used particularly well but the Amiga could really sing when also being used effectively.
On voit quand meme que le 68000 etait au bout de sa vie
étonnant qu'un jeu comme ça puisse tourner