What a great side-by-side comparison that helps explain tire compounds, tube vs not, contact patch, and wrinkle walls. We're rootin' for ya'. This will help a lot of people out with their 'sneekers.'
It would help if both were new. Kinda painful watching a tire that has not been aired up, heated up and stretched out being compared to a tire that has lol
Can't argue with that ,,,just glad you finally found a tire that works for your setup,,,,,,time to paint them doors and shine her up,,,good luck and be safe....🇺🇲
YES!!!!!!!!!! Now we’re talking John , I’m telling you man M/T is the way to go . I had 26.5x10.5 on my car and I never had an issue with traction... And for the rest of you watching , fear John because he’s coming for y’all ass lol ..
Very interesting to see the difference. To me it seems like the Mickey being soft in the middle of the sidewall then stiff on the inside and outside makes them work better, doesnt let the wrinkles go all the way to the edge of the sidewall and end up pulling the tread up off the track like the Hoosier did.
Great info keep up the awesome videos. Just tried some Hoosiers on my 4000 pound truck procharged and had a little spin still. Just got some M/T 29 x 10.5 and this video gives me hope they will do good. The Mickeys do have very soft sidewalls.
@@mikeypooh1 Wondering this too. My S10 is 3480, and I'd consider that "heavy", but I know lots of folks with heavier vehicles, running both Hoosier and M/T's.
Went through this same scenario a few years back on a fox notch as well. Went from the Hoosiers to Mickey Thompson drag radials and it was a night and day difference .
they still like that to this day? and wonder why i always knew hoosiers when i was a kid never heard of MT till i actually started watching drag racing. are the radials the same way? i dont race but since ive known hoosiers since a kid ive always been a hoosier fan lmao
I ran et streets on my stang and hooked up really well! That first video you can really see front end stretch till catch limiters and rear squat almost perfect!
Never ran Hoosiers. I have ran Mickey's and good years. Sticky mickeys have been so consistent and last a few seasons for me being a bracket racer who runs 5.70s.
Think the Hoosiers being stiffer, upset the tire after the initial wrinkle snaps back which causes them to break loose. The softer Mickeys soak up the springback after the wrinkle. Does that make sense? You can definitely see less and bigger wrinkles on the Hoosiers, and more finer wrinkles on the M/Ts. Your car is to light and fast for a stiffer tire. They would probably work better on a heavier car at the same power.
Interesting to see the difference in the two manufacturers. You could be on to something. I think the MT will wrinkle more lessening the shock load on the suspension and result in the tire planting harder on the race surface.
Always liked the predictability of the MTs, on my car i never knew what Hoosiers were going to do. Same lane all day and nearly same ETs some passes they dead stick all way, some they would skate mid to end of the track and if it was late in the evening and i saw dew on cars i was like a cat in a room full of rocking chairs.... i knew shit was going to happen but didnt know when or where. Went back to MTs and felt like a sunday drive again. Granted low 6s i am nowhere near your power level either, good luck.
I have the same hoosiers but in 29.5 x10.5 also in a much slower car and I could feel it spinning not as bad as your car. But when I have the money I’m going back to a bias ply slick
Nice car..light n fast... I wonder if the same "test" on a huge Chevelle would require more psi to make the MT safe, yet the HOOSIER would start wrinkling more..?? m My 1967 Toyota CORONA turbo LS build will be around 2,500 pounds. Looks like the MT's are the ones to buy...28x10s.. I'll get hoosier 26x10s and have scat trak put paddles for the sand dunes.... Yes, Dumont dunes and Glamis hill racing is insane fun...
In my opinion in vehicles I've driven. Small tire M/T and a Big tire Hoosiers. Found ALOT of people seem to do the same. Maybe someway to get it to hook but if so, its a highly guarded secret.🤣😂 M/T to the front. Get them greenlight's.
So these are drag radials or slicks and Are These stiff sidewall slicks i have a 3600 stall and 410 and street tires spin 1st middle of second I’m finally moving so looking for something like this sorry if my questions are dumb I’m new
What power level would you say beadlocks are required? (Obviously lots of other variables) I’m working on my first manual trans drag setup. I’m trying to get a better understanding of the different setups. I’m leaning towards a bias ply slick. I guess my power level is about 80% of what your fox puts down
John the MT make the mustang run way better. Do Goodyear or Firestone make your size drag tire? If so let see witch one is best on the car. Think the viewers would chip in on it. I would like to see it
@Turbo John Also looks like you went from metal doors with glass to fiberglass doors with lexan so you dropped a lot of weight maybe that’s why the m/t worked better
So does a softer sidewall make a tire more prone to potentially wadding up and going into tire shake? Seems it might if you don’t get enough wheel speed?.
I have heard that the Hoosiers are more of a street/noprep tire and the M/T are for a preped surface. Another thing I wonder about is comparing a tube style tire with a non tube style tire a fair comparison 🤔? Does one brand offer both styles if so would you have the same results with a tire that matches the style of the other one be it a tube style or non tube style regardless of the brand? I think it would be worth looking into because if they react the same you might have a less expensive option.
Congratulations john 3 months later lol their is a trick I use to renew my Mts I let the air out to 6lbs put soda on my flat concrete floor and burn some rubber off and Wala back in business again about every 20 passes they tread will get wierd looking then u know what time it is 60 will be back down to 1.26
Did u say this is M/T's version of the stiff side wall slick? J/w cause weve been runing m/t but not the stiff side wall but eant to try them because its really smashing tire out of hole. Even with high air pressure.
@@TurboJohnRacing ok cool thanks man. Your Car sure looked like it really seally stayed hooked up better an didnt get on top of the tire at all. But gonna have to order some an try thrm my self now. Thanks again.
Was wondering, anyone out there ever try M and H Recemaster Slicks or Drag Radials Lately ? My first set of Slicks about 15 Years Ago, Worked great, snapped a Stock 28 spline Axle in my 8.8 on Second Run. That was 15 Years Ago, wondering how they are nowadays ? I been using the Mickey Thompson ET Street Pro Drag Radials 275/60 last few years. And really liking them.
Go with the Mickeys and readjust your rear suspension. You've got alot of wheel spin and seeing you almost lose control you need more weight downward. Stick with Mickeys and play with suspension you'll be 👍
Wow, it’s so odd to think about changing a tires direction. We are all so so accustomed to radials that’s of course are single directional. Takes me back to my first car in the 70’s when we used to cross rotate the tires.
Hoosier makes so many different slicks it's unreal. I personally prefer Hoosier. The QTP compound, the D05 and D06 are 3 of the best compounds out there for a poorly prepped track or street. I will say MT has the radial tire market for sure though.
That wasn't as much of a caparison as it was him convincing himself the M/Ts are better, like the shot in the dark suspension changes he convinces himself on. It seems like he's met the limit of what his suspension is going to give him and anything from here on out might help but won't be the end all fix he's hoping for. Either way I'm a fan of Turbo John and am rooting for him to get some wins.
125 passes on mine b4 that were crap! I run more air with the S than normal sidewall I bracket race a Nova not fast 6.58 102 in 1/8 normally run 13.5 lbs air pressure
I try to run as much psi as I can as long as it doesn’t spin on launch I guess in theory tires turn over down track easier with more psi. I was always told to run as much psi as possible as long as it hooks
Things have changed because Hoosiers were used by the big boys and M/Ts were for the budget minded racers.... Maybe you were using too much air pressure
@@TurboJohnRacinghow much faster was the MT VS the 5.23 with C07 and were they both pretty decently preped when u ran those numbers. U dont have to tell what it ran on MT S side wall just curious i know know1 likes to talk times. Ive been high 5 30s on reg slick. but never had stiff side wall and im losing a ton of time crushing tire bad and when it goes back to shape its unloading rear. So gonna try some still side walls. Jus wondering how much faster the MT is on a decent surface.
them damn hoosiers could have killed turbo john now on a serious note M/T are making your car react the way it used to , i mean as soon as i saw car leave the line I said to my self wow thats all it took was a couple of dollars for new M/T s hell i was loosing sleep over that suspension. lets hope that the slicks will continue to work
hi john, im from the uk. I have a no prep airfeild that i use. im planning on 26" x 10" x15" tyre but not sure what width rim i should use? Should i go for an 10" wide wheel or less? Many thanks
Hi John! Looking at the picture of the Hoosier wrinkling you can see that the slick is on the verge of wadding up which will cause tire shake and then tire spin if you dont lift! I dont know if you were giving the mt s more power on successive runs but the tire did not wad up like the Hoosier did and from the sound of the tire it sounded like it was digging and not too much excessive spinning and it stayed hooked very well! Was there any difference in 60' times between the two tires? That should tell you which tire is better. Also how much air pressure in the mt s? You can play with it up or down to see what your car likes! Great video also!
I only run M/T bias ply slicks (ET Drag) or Goodyear Eagle Dragway special (bias ply slicks) I hate Hoosier. I’m my opinion, mt is the original tire and still used to this day so you can’t beat it🤷🏻♂️
You are the first person i have ever seen use tubes in these. I have used both Hoosier and MT and never used tubes.
What a great side-by-side comparison that helps explain tire compounds, tube vs not, contact patch, and wrinkle walls. We're rootin' for ya'. This will help a lot of people out with their 'sneekers.'
It would help if both were new. Kinda painful watching a tire that has not been aired up, heated up and stretched out being compared to a tire that has lol
Can't argue with that ,,,just glad you finally found a tire that works for your setup,,,,,,time to paint them doors and shine her up,,,good luck and be safe....🇺🇲
Car definitely looks more planted and stable on the Mickey's.
Them Hoosiers are Dangerous your car is all over the place with them
YES!!!!!!!!!!
Now we’re talking John , I’m telling you man
M/T is the way to go .
I had 26.5x10.5 on my car and I never had an issue with traction...
And for the rest of you watching , fear John because he’s coming for y’all ass lol ..
I'm going with Hoosiers, great company.
Very interesting to see the difference. To me it seems like the Mickey being soft in the middle of the sidewall then stiff on the inside and outside makes them work better, doesnt let the wrinkles go all the way to the edge of the sidewall and end up pulling the tread up off the track like the Hoosier did.
Very fair comparison from the perspective of your needs. Informative as usual, appreciated.
M/T To The Front 💪🏼
Great info keep up the awesome videos. Just tried some Hoosiers on my 4000 pound truck procharged and had a little spin still. Just got some M/T 29 x 10.5 and this video gives me hope they will do good. The Mickeys do have very soft sidewalls.
I found the M/T works better on a lighter car and the Hoosier on a heavier car
What weight is considered heavy?
@@mikeypooh1 Wondering this too. My S10 is 3480, and I'd consider that "heavy", but I know lots of folks with heavier vehicles, running both Hoosier and M/T's.
Went through this same scenario a few years back on a fox notch as well. Went from the Hoosiers to Mickey Thompson drag radials and it was a night and day difference .
Theres a reason all the fast cars run MT on a decent track and Hoosier on no prep and street. A Hoosier tire will tire shake often on a sticky track.
they still like that to this day? and wonder why i always knew hoosiers when i was a kid never heard of MT till i actually started watching drag racing. are the radials the same way? i dont race but since ive known hoosiers since a kid ive always been a hoosier fan lmao
I ran et streets on my stang and hooked up really well! That first video you can really see front end stretch till catch limiters and rear squat almost perfect!
Not saying which ones are better, but that track looks a lot better prepped with the MT. If it is, that makes all the difference.
Great video, John!
Great content!! A picture /video
is worth 1000 words, they say
Thanks
U will get down the track on the Mickeys. And they look good too.
Looking good I am a MT fan myself awesome video John , keep a thrashing 👍
I just bought a set of D05 Hoosier 28x10.5 was running a D06 soft wall.
They say the D05’s are their top no prep tires.
I’ve not tried the D05 yet
Never ran Hoosiers. I have ran Mickey's and good years. Sticky mickeys have been so consistent and last a few seasons for me being a bracket racer who runs 5.70s.
"Feel which one is softer or harder"
That's what she said....lol
I'm a dork
got my new TJ shirt ! love it
Thanks
The Hoosiers especially the stiff sidewall work better on heavier cars in my opinion
👍🏾💯
TJ the car looks like its making so good passes on the m/t and good luck 👍
Think the Hoosiers being stiffer, upset the tire after the initial wrinkle snaps back which causes them to break loose. The softer Mickeys soak up the springback after the wrinkle. Does that make sense? You can definitely see less and bigger wrinkles on the Hoosiers, and more finer wrinkles on the M/Ts. Your car is to light and fast for a stiffer tire. They would probably work better on a heavier car at the same power.
I think you may be on to it!
@@TurboJohnRacing yee haw!🤠
Interesting to see the difference in the two manufacturers. You could be on to something. I think the MT will wrinkle more lessening the shock load on the suspension and result in the tire planting harder on the race surface.
Hoosier seems more of a street or no prep tire. Tend to shake on the track with good prep. That m/t tho hooks and plants very well.
John has anyone told you that you look like Wooly Willy with this new haircut yet lol. Keep up the good work dude👍🏼
LOL
thats why they recommend the tubes in them
Always liked the predictability of the MTs, on my car i never knew what Hoosiers were going to do. Same lane all day and nearly same ETs some passes they dead stick all way, some they would skate mid to end of the track and if it was late in the evening and i saw dew on cars i was like a cat in a room full of rocking chairs.... i knew shit was going to happen but didnt know when or where. Went back to MTs and felt like a sunday drive again. Granted low 6s i am nowhere near your power level either, good luck.
I have the same hoosiers but in 29.5 x10.5 also in a much slower car and I could feel it spinning not as bad as your car. But when I have the money I’m going back to a bias ply slick
You can definitely see the M/T tires hookin but I can't help wondering why nobody uses good year slicks.
Great video!
Nice car..light n fast... I wonder if the same "test" on a huge Chevelle would require more psi to make the MT safe, yet the HOOSIER would start wrinkling more..?? m
My 1967 Toyota CORONA turbo LS build will be around 2,500 pounds. Looks like the MT's are the ones to buy...28x10s.. I'll get hoosier 26x10s and have scat trak put paddles for the sand dunes.... Yes, Dumont dunes and Glamis hill racing is insane fun...
Great win !! Stay in the gas kick some ass ! 👊
In my opinion in vehicles I've driven. Small tire M/T and a Big tire Hoosiers. Found ALOT of people seem to do the same. Maybe someway to get it to hook but if so, its a highly guarded secret.🤣😂 M/T to the front. Get them greenlight's.
Yessss! Some people might be in trouble!!
The C07 Hoosier needed more air based on what I am seeing. The even with the stiffer sidewall you were still wadding it up.
So these are drag radials or slicks and Are These stiff sidewall slicks i have a 3600 stall and 410 and street tires spin 1st middle of second I’m finally moving so looking for something like this sorry if my questions are dumb I’m new
Which one had a better 60 foot?
What power level would you say beadlocks are required? (Obviously lots of other variables) I’m working on my first manual trans drag setup. I’m trying to get a better understanding of the different setups. I’m leaning towards a bias ply slick. I guess my power level is about 80% of what your fox puts down
Working in the shop in flops! Haha, is that Shawn Murder Nova?
John the MT make the mustang run way better. Do Goodyear or Firestone make your size drag tire? If so let see witch one is best on the car. Think the viewers would chip in on it. I would like to see it
I don’t know, never looked at those. 28x10.5 15” rim c is what we use.
Of course its softer then c07, should try the d06
@Turbo John Also looks like you went from metal doors with glass to fiberglass doors with lexan so you dropped a lot of weight maybe that’s why the m/t worked better
What rims are those! I’ve been searching everywhere for a set of double headlock 4 lugs for my fox!
Billet specialties 10” wide, 6.5 BS. I sent them to Mac-Fab for the beadlocks. Hit them up.
i wonder how the non stiff M/T are , they must be super soft
So does a softer sidewall make a tire more prone to potentially wadding up and going into tire shake? Seems it might if you don’t get enough wheel speed?.
What’s the reason for tubes
I have heard that the Hoosiers are more of a street/noprep tire and the M/T are for a preped surface. Another thing I wonder about is comparing a tube style tire with a non tube style tire a fair comparison 🤔? Does one brand offer both styles if so would you have the same results with a tire that matches the style of the other one be it a tube style or non tube style regardless of the brand? I think it would be worth looking into because if they react the same you might have a less expensive option.
Great vid thanks
Congratulations john 3 months later lol their is a trick I use to renew my Mts I let the air out to 6lbs put soda on my flat concrete floor and burn some rubber off and Wala back in business again about every 20 passes they tread will get wierd looking then u know what time it is 60 will be back down to 1.26
Great tip!
Have you tried GOODYEAR D5 "2796" 29X10.9X15
True no prep Hoosier to the fronts.
So do you prefer slicks over brackets on no prep?
Did u say this is M/T's version of the stiff side wall slick? J/w cause weve been runing m/t but not the stiff side wall but eant to try them because its really smashing tire out of hole. Even with high air pressure.
Yes, these are the 3055S with a tube
@@TurboJohnRacing ok cool thanks man. Your Car sure looked like it really seally stayed hooked up better an didnt get on top of the tire at all. But gonna have to order some an try thrm my self now. Thanks again.
Was wondering, anyone out there ever try M and H Recemaster Slicks or Drag Radials Lately ? My first set of Slicks about 15 Years Ago, Worked great, snapped a Stock 28 spline Axle in my 8.8 on Second Run. That was 15 Years Ago, wondering how they are nowadays ? I been using the Mickey Thompson ET Street Pro Drag Radials 275/60 last few years. And really liking them.
I’ve heard that some people run that same Mickey Thompson without a tube, what do you think about that?
I don't know, everyone told me to make sure I put a tube in it
I ran mine without tubes on all my cars they lose air but I never had a problem
Go with the Mickeys and readjust your rear suspension. You've got alot of wheel spin and seeing you almost lose control you need more weight downward. Stick with Mickeys and play with suspension you'll be 👍
So when would you want those stiffer Hoosiers?
back in the hi 4s
for 28/10.5 tire I love M/T. Hoosiers dont start working for me untill 29.5 11.5
Rotating those Mickey's every 2 passes or so helps a ton with life. Good tire but they can go away quick if you don't rotate them.
Yes, that’s the plan for sure!
Wow, it’s so odd to think about changing a tires direction. We are all so so accustomed to radials that’s of course are single directional. Takes me back to my first car in the 70’s when we used to cross rotate the tires.
Thanks for sharing, any updates? What size of rims 15x10”?
So what is your reason for wanting to go with a slick just curious once I went to a radial I never wanted to go back
for on track racing do you like the M/T better ?
Wow. Good vid.
Liked
She says she prefers the stiff side walls!😂
Can you get a softer compound?Maybe that will make it bite more.Even a softer Hoosier would perform better.
Hoosier makes so many different slicks it's unreal. I personally prefer Hoosier. The QTP compound, the D05 and D06 are 3 of the best compounds out there for a poorly prepped track or street.
I will say MT has the radial tire market for sure though.
That wasn't as much of a caparison as it was him convincing himself the M/Ts are better, like the shot in the dark suspension changes he convinces himself on. It seems like he's met the limit of what his suspension is going to give him and anything from here on out might help but won't be the end all fix he's hoping for. Either way I'm a fan of Turbo John and am rooting for him to get some wins.
I’m all ears!!!!! Tell me what you think
Have you driven on the street with a bias ply
I run 29.5 x 10.5S luv the stiff sidewalk performance
125 passes on mine b4 that were crap!
I run more air with the S than normal sidewall I bracket race a Nova not fast 6.58 102 in 1/8 normally run 13.5 lbs air pressure
So do you run a higher psi to gain wheel speed?
I try to run as much psi as I can as long as it doesn’t spin on launch I guess in theory tires turn over down track easier with more psi. I was always told to run as much psi as possible as long as it hooks
Which tire is lighter?
So what races have you won on these tires?
The more power you make the faster it beats up the tires.
Things have changed because Hoosiers were used by the big boys and M/Ts were for the budget minded racers.... Maybe you were using too much air pressure
M/T Small tires King.. Hoosler #1 on the big tires
Which tire was faster ? great video too !!
MT faster on a smooth no prep surface.
@@TurboJohnRacinghow much faster was the MT VS the 5.23 with C07 and were they both pretty decently preped when u ran those numbers. U dont have to tell what it ran on MT S side wall just curious i know know1 likes to talk times. Ive been high 5 30s on reg slick. but never had stiff side wall and im losing a ton of time crushing tire bad and when it goes back to shape its unloading rear. So gonna try some still side walls. Jus wondering how much faster the MT is on a decent surface.
Looks a lot better did the 60’ and ET come back ?
It was still soft, but it would not go down there on Hoosiers. 1.31. We will see next week if it can hold some power
Well at least it’s in the right direction 👍
Any reason you didn’t try them without the tubes?
Everyone told me to put tubes in. And the side wall was a lot softer than the Hoosiers
Do you really need a tube for the MT
Yes, IMO
Put a Hoosier left side and a Mickey Thompson right side and send it haha
lol
Nice 252 cars lol I was looking up Hoosiers vs mt
when boost kick in
What psi is that on the MT?
Without any numbers how can anyone compare your example
them damn hoosiers could have killed turbo john now on a serious note M/T are making your car react the way it used to , i mean as soon as i saw car leave the line I said to my self wow thats all it took was a couple of dollars for new M/T s hell i was loosing sleep over that suspension. lets hope that the slicks will continue to work
I like them so far
What is the wheel width???
hi john, im from the uk. I have a no prep airfeild that i use. im planning on 26" x 10" x15" tyre but not sure what width rim i should use? Should i go for an 10" wide wheel or less?
Many thanks
Hi John! Looking at the picture of the Hoosier wrinkling you can see that the slick is on the verge of wadding up which will cause tire shake and then tire spin if you dont lift! I dont know if you were giving the mt s more power on successive runs but the tire did not wad up like the Hoosier did and from the sound of the tire it sounded like it was digging and not too much excessive spinning and it stayed hooked very well! Was there any difference in 60' times between the two tires? That should tell you which tire is better. Also how much air pressure in the mt s? You can play with it up or down to see what your car likes! Great video also!
The Hoosiers, over the past few weeks I have tried 10-14psi and a lot of different shock and instant center settings! MT last night was 11.5
Do you balance with the beadlocks?
No
Mickey Thompson s for the track Hoosier for the street
I agree after that video..
Tubes!!!!
I only run M/T bias ply slicks (ET Drag) or Goodyear Eagle Dragway special (bias ply slicks) I hate Hoosier. I’m my opinion, mt is the original tire and still used to this day so you can’t beat it🤷🏻♂️
There softer cuz there designed for tubes i think
The Hoosier passes looked better
Haulin ass Tj,Yes🤞!!!
How much you gonna sale hr Hoosiers for? It would cost a fortune to ship to new Mexico lol
One of my buddy’s is getting them
M/t are better for sure