How figure skaters got barred from doing backflips (and other dope moves)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- Figure skaters once could do all the backflips they wanted. Those were better days, filled with fun flips that everyone enjoyed...well, everyone except the purists. They were deemed illegal for a variety of reasons, but never for one concrete piece of logic. So, just exactly what happened?
If you are interested in seeing those flips, well here you go!
Terry Kupicka back in 1976 - • Terry Kubicka - 1976 O...
Surya Bonaly in 1998 - • S. BONALY - 1998 OLYMP...
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Figure skating is one of those sports that seems straightforward but whose rules make it incomprehensible. Like someone will do the most amazing and graceful feat of athleticism you've ever seen but the commentator will be like "ooh.. that's unfortunate. that's going to cost her."
Lol that is so true. It is really crazy the stuff they’re able to pull off
You have to have contrived rules or else you have nothing you can really judge and give numerical value to
It's because they have a program they have to follow. There's specific moves they're attempting each time. The commentators know what's coming at all times.
@@bruceU if you must contrive subjective rules to an athletic performance (for the explicit purpose of making it a sport) that stands by itself as anything else (theatrical performance, artistic display, etc.) and those rules can impead the spirit of the performance in such a way that the most gifted participants in this "sport" can be penalized for being too good, then it just can't be considered a sport. At that point it is nothing more than a contest.
Plus any game that relies entirely on judges to score it is entirely subjective and more of a contest than a sport. It’s more like American Idol or Miss America than a baseball game. It feels weird to even call it a game. It’s a figure skating competition, a pageant. Each contestant does their thing for the judges and they decide how good they think they were. I would never waste my time on something so subjective, it’s totally corrupt and biased because it can be.
Dude I was just wondering last night why were limited to boring twirls and jump twirls. Secret Base never fails to deliver!
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Finally its here
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I mean it does make some sense to me, it seems like it could go very wrong more then spin do.
Scott Hamilton was an olympuc figure skater well known for his backflips. But he didn't do them in the olympics.
12 years ago, the Olympic commentator spoke about the triple axle (maybe it was a different move) in great detail. The insane speed of the rotation, achieving the necessary height, landing on a razor, stopping the rotation, and I've respected the sport ever since.
wait until you hear about the quad axle
Leave it to Secret Base to make me actually care about figure skating rules and procedure😂
The links to the backflips in the description are very much appreciated. 10/10
Well, 8/10
The cigarette hockey stop joke killed me 🤣
The real question unaddressed by the video: can you backflip in pairs events? Lots of the lifts have one of the partners in the air already. All the lifter would have to do is let go at the right time to send her off upside-down.
Anyone who watched Suyra
compete knows: 1. She was always the best skater on the ice. 2. She could never win because “artistry”. In other words: “too black”.
3:36 I mean when you think about it, all ice skating is skating with swords
Let's just look at this for a moment, you're allowed to bring medieval weapons into your figure skating routine, but back flips is where we draw the line, we are talking about olympic athletes, they could easily learn how to do a back flip on the ice
They found TH-cam
Many figure skaters can do backflips, it's not that they're unable to learn them. They're just not that hard compared to the jumps they perform now. The difficulty of a single backflip would probably be somewhere around a double jump, it wouldn't be worth it to include it. For comparison, no competitive man today performs doubles, they need not only triples but also at least 2-3 quads, the best of the best can do up to 5.
Clara feeling saucy in this episode 😂
the reasoning why the rule got added: somebody else did it with 1 foot, which would have made the rule so wrong.
Clara has one of the great voices of all time.
I just feel like this needs to be said.
You're simping over a woman's voice.
Touch grass my man.
@@tombstonejones9581 ...it's called a compliment. I'm in a great relationship. Try to stop worrying so much about others.
I am married. Like Clara's voice and vibe a lot too. Super chill, reserved silliness.
@@tombstonejones9581 people are allowed to compliment women without there having to be explicit sexual interest my bother in christ
@@tombstonejones9581 Right back to you
Wow, you did this video at the perfect time. Probably a lot of people are watching it because of Nathan Chen.
You know what would be good for weird rules, you should do the brief period in soccer where if you mouthed off to the ref he could give you a ten-yard penalty. They stopped doing it because in soccer being closer to the goal is not necessarily beneficial, it gets harder to get the ball to dip while hitting it hard enough to beat the goalie. Early early on in soccer they also settled ties by seeing who could score a touchdown (dribbling the ball into the "end zone")
You forgot to mention that Surya was explicitly fighting racism in the Olympics and just got so frustrated with the unequal judgment that she did this backflip
Very interesting and I enjoyed watching both videos of skaters landing their flips. More videos like this please about obscure bits outside the "major" pro sports!
You have to do a bit about how Celta De Vigo ascended twice to Primera División of Spain in the same season (2004-2005), due to incorrect alignment of a home-grown player, Toni Moral. The game they had won against Xerez was changed to a loss and the had to beat Eibar the next league round. I can send you some information if you want to, it would be super special to hear about my Spanish football team on SB Nation.
Check out the Netflix series Losers, one of the episodes is about Surya Bonaly doing a backflip
ELVIS Stojko !
He won gold medals and owned figure skating.
AND he knocked Eric Lindros out with a kick in a bar. Lindros was a big tough NHL player.
Thanks will and clara!
Her backflip was tuffffffff 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
On the bright-side, it can help prevent any disasters
Scott Hamilton is the one that did the first backflip!
Should do a Hendrick Lundquist Untitled episode
I feel like a Terry-stop joke was made after the Terry-flip gambit, but was edited out lol maybe I’m reaching and I’m just a sarcastic pos but if not, it would’ve been a wasted opportunity for an off the record gem!
Clara your awesome... you tell the NBA stories so good
@@TheWatchernator "you well the NBA stories so good"...?
Sometimes you throw out the shovel, sometimes you do a figure skating video.
I remember the one from the 98 Olympics
She's right. Scott Hamilton was known for his backflip. Don't know how it was legal, but he medalled (I think) and then became one of the NBC announcers.
Do a video on the tuck rule. It sounds monumental but I’m not a close follower of nfl so I don’t care to research. Y’all do the best in that. Pls and thank you.
Same competition Tania hardings incident happens
There is an episode of “Losers” on Netflix featuring the story of Surya Bonaly’s backflip.
I mean, yeah, when something’s gamebreaking but also a massive safety concern, I get the call.
Hey I liked the video. my Grandma loved figure skating (usually olympics) but we went to see stars on ice and I'm pretty sure I saw lots of back flips. So why is winter games such lower level in stunts than the show biz version of the sport?
Well to be fair the jumps skaters have to do are much harder than back flips.
Figure skating in the late 90s was LIT
Alien voice gal is starting to grow on me
LOL i love Clara, she's the wittiest by far
Now I can just see a high school figure skating team and the gymnastics team accidentally meeting at a McDonald's and brawling it out.
I think I'd have to put my money on the gymnastics team. Even though the figure skaters have knives, gymnasts are almost unfathomably aggressive. As the tagline for that one otherwise forgettable movie put it, "It's not called gym-nice-tics." :)
That thumbnail 🥵🔥🔥🔥
The rule makers of figure skating must also like snooker
Let's be honest. Any competition that is judged on beauty, elegance, and grace is not a real sport.
So you can do a backflip if you land on one foot?
The reason Ozzie Smith became a baseball player.
This girl is hilarious 😂😂
Who’s gonna go WWE and climb up on the boards and do a backflip off of there?
Scott Hamilton did the backflip in shows. The girl on the right was correct.
Sochi Winter Olympics the Russian girl went for Gold and put an Absolute masterclass and took home the choccy's!!!....🏆💁🥇
This is why I live
Is there no fair use of Olympic coverage?
The Russian girl who won free dance by 30 points tonight should add backflips to her routines!
I just want to say that putting a dart board on a door is a really bad idea.
UNLESS you’re a weirdo online who would stalk someone and try to break in their apartment. Now it serves as a visual deterrent like “even opening my door might find you with a dart in your eye. Still wanna test me?” Could be a calculated move.
Your feet are never going to touch your head. I don’t see the risk. No riskier than any other spin/jump.
u can’t tell us this and not show it
What are we going to bring back the worst
"and then she lit a cigarette and....". Great rapour and great story. Thanks as ever for everything at secretbase
She 100% right..
My wife caught me watching this video she is a fan and practitioner of figure skating and now I’m pretty sure she is low key annoyed a this video and me for watching this. She used the phrase “who are these people” and “do they know about skating?” at one point.
should've talked about the racial prejudice involved with banning Bonaly's backflip
Such a fun topic
Whenever a video has Will and Clara, you know it's gonna be good
Sir Donald Bradman please sb.
The dude she is thinking of is Scott Hamilton.
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id like to imagine he was able to do a great backflip but the rest of his routine was crap lmao
Just a slight correction, but figure skates are generally not sharp.
God she's hot.
You don't flaunt the rules. You flout the rules.
Unless you're actually trying to show off your attractive rulebook.
Obviously it was racism that made these people make the rules different , because that skater who could flip around was amazing and it’s a shame they got so scared of a black girl who’s amazing on the ice
I get excited for figure skating when girls hide behind a curtin and cry and about getting sliver
th-cam.com/video/rC7yJ4jez68/w-d-xo.html In case you were wondering about that backflip
They posted it in the description
@@BodyRibbonz I didn't come to YT to read
shocked they didnt bring up a political statement in this vid. Ive noticed how common that is on this channel. They love being political
I really wish you guys would be more upfront with your content. I thought this was going to be like a researched, documentary type video and it’s just two people chatting on Skype.
I thought they stopped just cuz
No ones first
Any sport where scoring is decided by judges is not a sport in my eyes. That doesn't mean it isn't still impressive as hell but it's not a sport.
Yeah I believe there should be objective scoring, specific things that the athletes do which garner points no matter what, not a bunch of snobs giving out a grade because someone's flip wasn't "perfect". If they had judges in basketball, soccer etc I don't think as many people would watch
wait until somebody tells this guy about referees
@@brianbadonde9251 so, figure skating then…
Why not skate with helmets and make anything legal. A lot of other sports have gone that way. Hockey, alpine skiing, cycling.
Figure skating is another one of those sports where the powers that be were like "Ooh we can't have all the ( typically minority) athletes with their super athleticism and skill dominate the competition.... Gotta make sure they can't do that special stuff we can't do!" and they banned a lot of other things as a result.
The lesbian and gay discuss figure skating
1. How do you know? 1. So what? 1. Who cares?
second
Im probably the minority here. Not some big figure skating fan. But, it does make sense that backflips are banned. Not so much due to the “danger”. If someone wants to do it, who cares.
I think it makes sense to even out the competition. A backflip (really any type of flip) is kind of a “shock and awe” move. There is a lot more to figure skating than one move. Figure skating shouldn’t be confined to who the best “flipper” is. Just my opinion. I also sympathize with anyone saying that banning certain moves just stagnates the creativity of the sport.
I use to love Weird Rules because I really like to know the origin of certain stupid restrictions in sports but this model of cheap bad jokes has become a little boring. Didn't finished the video.
Clara Morris is such a dude, she seems to intentionally dumb herself down, in the realm of pulchritude.That being said, I think she has an unusual beauty, a very individual combines. It is definitely supported, heightened even, by intangible traits, such as her voice and personality. Imagine if she engaged her beauty with the same fervor as her career, she'd be a knockout. Still, her casual and indifferent attitude is actually a bit of what I like about her. That and her ability to regard sports and entertainment in a manner consistent with men, yet still comes off effeminate. Her quick wit and sharpness helps,too.
Hot and funny girl talking about sports... More please
Its lame you talk about something for ten minutes, and show no footage of what you’re talking about.
"HOLD UP, this sport is getting TOO ENTERTAINING and YOUTHFUL. TAKE THE FUN OUT." -former NFL administrator who got job as consultant for olympics.
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Just watched the 1998 backflip. Surya nailed it and ended her routine with her back to the judges. Total BAMF move! Loved it.
What an interesting story she has. I love how she thought there was a chance by landing it on one foot it might be allowed, but no such luck.
Go watch the 2022 backflip! 🤣
Clara was absolutely right, Scott Hamilton was a figure skater that could do a backflip.
Will is deadass wrong
Yes. He was famous for it. He did it on TV all the time. But he didn't do it in the olympics because of this rule.
Yep! Once he wasn't an amateur he flipping flipped all over.
Scott started doing backflips because Robin Cousins beat him at the World Professional Championships with a backflip in his routine. Back when that event was actually a thing.
Yeah, he did it in gala performances, but obvi, never in competition because of the ban.
Glad she looked it up to “Clara-fy” she was right.
Interestingly, Scott Hamilton is the only figure skating name I know (as someone who never followed the sport) pretty much exclusively because he did a backflip when I was a kid in the 90s despite it apparently having been an illegal maneuver.
Tonya harding for me
I think he only did them during exhibitions or when they did like showcase on ABC
Hamilton won his gold back in '84. By the time you saw him on tv in the 90s, his competitive career was long over and he was just doing exhibitions, tours, and other shows along with being a commentator. Obviously, he could still skate, but he was more of a famous ambassador for the sport and personality by then.
Think of maybe like Tony Hawk's been like for the past several years.
He was a pro skater by then, rules are different on the pro circuit
Scott Hamilton did do backflips as part of his non Olympic routine
The "exhibition" part. I think Elvis Stojko (sp) would to that too.
Leave it to the purists to ruin any innovations in a human endeavor.
You're allowed to go 70+ mph on essentially a skateboard at the winter olympics but no backflips in figure skating...
Figure skating judges are pure evil. Change my mind.
So what would Brian Boitano do if he were here today? I'm sure he'd kick an ass or two. That's what Brian Boitano'd do.
Did they end up banning two salchows and a triple lutz while wearing a blindfold?
If anyone's interested in learning more about Surya Bonaly, the podcast Radiolab did a really good episode about her, called "On the Edge".
I think figure skating needs more "lifts with wrong holds"!
I love the thought of Gymnasts and Figure Skaters going back and forth about which sport is better or more artistic or whatever. This some how needs to make it into a movie or tv show.
Bonaly should have won
Clara is actually right about Scott Hamilton - after retiring from the ISU circuit he started pro skating and the backflip was kind of his signature thing. The pro circuit has faded now but it was on TV plenty in the 80s and 90s, I have no doubt she saw him then
This is dumb in gymnastics and it's dumb in skating.
The limits of the sport should be what people are capable of doing, not what a ruling body dictates.
Yeaaah but unlike this one some moves are straight up safety hazards
Even though it would be cool
I would rather not that people die doing a flip on a not so save surface.
That's the talk of a psycopath, the ruling body has a responsibility to keep the sport safe.
@@sownheard might as well ban figure skaters from wearing skates then. Don't you know how dangerous they are?
@@sevret313 There's no such thing as a "safe" sport like this. Risk is INHERENTLY a MAJOR (if not THE MAJOR) part of it, and trying to remove said risk pretty much removes the entire point of the sport... -_- ... What makes things impressive but difficulty? And what goes up with difficulty? Risk.
Those two things CANNOT BE EXTRICATED!
If we care so much about "risk" why do we have dangerous sports AT ALL? You can't have it both ways dude. Either we should have NO seriously physically highly dangerous sports like figure skating or gymnastics & ACTUALLY remove the risk, or people should be allowed to push difficulty as high as they feel comfortable. People can mess themselves up JUST AS BAD trying an infamous quad axle as a backflip... -_-
Ok after watching the slips, the two leg landing was sorta weird in the routine but the backflip on one foot damn