Why should it have been a private convo?? THESE DUDES AINT FRIENDS. HAHAHAHAHAHA. It’s crazy to think a dude like jay leno who bought a building in NY CITY TO USE AS A FUCKIN GARAGE To Bother with an OBVIOUS “Novelty” BIKE BUILDER AND A E LISTEN CELEB COMPARED TO JAY WHOS AN A LISTER ALL DAY!!?? If the bikes trash and he paid for it he has EVERY RIGHT TO BITCH ABOUT IT ESP WHEN WE ALLLLLL KNOW LENO CAN FUCKIN BUILD A BIKE/car/truck or a fuckin rocking horse. lol dude LOVES MOTOR VEHICLES
I guess you could call it a gift. He didn't gift me one. He did wait 25 yrs. However it's kinda like the 100k monster trucks they rent from the bank,they jack em up and if it aint done right they pay for it. But it's like Paul Sr. said they're not for cross country.
Nope. I have seen o OCC bikes up close. Some of their show bikes look nice but they're not practical to ride. The other bikes they made, look like crap. I understand why Leno's complaining about the bike, they are pretty much JUNK.
And that’s the problem with OCC bikes. They were pretty much nothing but show pieces. Looking back at the show after getting older, I’ve noticed that practically the entire OCC brand image is based off of the Black Widow, Fire bike, Air Force, and Statue of Liberty bike.
You call it hating. I call it an honest review. No way you can change my respect for Jay. And the people who criticize can only do that if they in turn build a better bike? What happened to the consumers' right to review?
Nah as a man thats not how we do it. if it was so trash lets fuckin see it then, dont talk about. Mf show us the problems.......... i mean where i come from Jay looks like he cant even do a cartwheel so why tf would i trust someone like him about 'geometry' man come on dude. what are we even talking about. Show us this bike
Hey Rex P. I'm thinking 💭 that in order to make you comments either you know something that the rest of us don't , or you're a rice burner ( japanese motorcycle ) lover , or you're just talking s - - t , and that being said I for one respect both men 🚹 a lot and would like to see them have a sit down and talk things out , I'm from just south of the bay area in Central California , originally and rode as an independent for most of my 30 year riding career and whether it should or not the situation with Jay and Paul can be very polarizing and could lead to unnecessary hostilities to happen if Jay and Paul don't come to some sort of no harm , no foul type of agreement 😊😅😮😢😂❤😂😊❤😊❤😊
yea I want my friends to give me problems I want them to give me something that could possibly break and maybe cause me physical harm if I have to lay the thing down maybe on the highway or so
Paul's response to the question didn't even speak to the electrical problem Jay complained about. Jay complained the electrical ran through a light assembly. So if the bulb fails the bike shuts off. A bulb on a chopper would likely be the most commonly failing part on that bike. So to run the electrical in a way that a bulb failure will shut it of while riding is a very very bad design, and likely was a shortcut during assembly. His second complaint about camber was valid as well. When Paul responded to that complaint by saying the bike has the same camber angle as a stock Harley is misleading. It may have the same camber angle, but the front forks were almost twice as long. Which will make it very bad a turning and stability. So to keep the camber angle the same as stock while lengthening the forks is a bad design choice. Jay was right in both concerns, and Paul tried to save face by being misleading with his answers hoping people would buy his bullshit response.
Jay Leno isn't the only person claiming that Paul's bikes are inferior. Regardless of the expensive engine and parts, if the manufacturing of the bike is no Bueno, it's going to be considered a bad build. Can I build bikes? No but I've seen quality custom bikes of all kinds and I can recall seeing a few OCC bikes and they were not anything special just like ice recently seen two of the builds from Gotham garage and they are far superior in comparison. Loved dudes show, but you cannot deny someone the right to critique your art just because you like letterman more. Leno is a car guy, he knows quality when he sees it.
I have always known from experience 5 + years. Choppers are not comfortable riders. They are like that one ton extended cab 10 ft bed. Not built for parking!!!!!
Paul made a statement #1. Harley softail is 35 degrees rake. ( True) Jay's bike is 35 degrees rake ( true) but what he forgot to say was. Jay's bike also has #1. Longer front end. 2. Longer down tubes on the frame. #3. Backbone of the frame is longer. #4. This makes the bike hard to handle. This is a fact Paul. P.S. motor & trans doesn't have anything to do with the issue.
Simply having the same rake doesn't make for the same handling characteristics. As You said the front end length, trail, stretch, how fat the hopitey-hop fat as a 55 gallon drum rear tire is compared to the pizza cutter with front tire is all play a part in the rolling abominations handling. Funny before that reality drama came on TV the orange county bikes were more tasteful & traditional machines. I didn't care for the show or the motorcycles but to each his own.
Big difference from Pimp My Ride. Those cars were just junkers. OCC bikes are built from the ground up with new parts, the top tier bikes like Leno's are hand built.
@@monroe7403 if I recall correctly they used prefabbed frames, no shocks or suspension really, and basic wiring with a built motor from someone else… No real talent…lmao.
Got news for you, there is no beef. Jay called out OCC choppers for what they really are, and Paul didn’t like it. If Paul thinks there’s a beef then he on his own 😂😂😂
@@lloydholland6475 demons row letting people know what's going on and applying the truth and open discussion is great. Let's it be seen for what it is. Other guy I dont like so much.
I didn’t see Leno taking a shot at creativity. He essentially said the chopper was a display piece and not really for riding. That seems to be a common viewpoint of people who have had choppers from OCC. Leno was asked a question in front of a camera and he gave an honest opinion. How can anyone be made at that. He is a collector and connoisseur of vehicles. How can anyone be upset with his apparent honest response to a question. It would be worse if he lied.
If I'm not mistaken the bike that Jay is talking about is 1 that Jay had commissioned OCC to built for him because it is similar to a European bike that Jay has@@DemonsRow
@@DemonsRow I don't think it was a "Gift". OCC made bikes to sit on a pedestal. Not really bikes, honestly, he made "bikes" that weren't made to move. Just sit there and look like something...
@@DemonsRowyou are definitely right on that point. The old "if you can't say something nice..." Like I've repeatedly told my wife(with her fast mouth) "There's no juice in the squeeze." In short, if it doesn't have a positive reason, you probably should just STFU.
Here's my take From someone that has built a few of their own motorcycles over the years from a bunch of pieces laying around the shop and then drove those bikes for thousands of miles OCC choppers are supposed to be hand built motorcycles these are not mass produced these are built one at a time and they're very expensive So I got a side with Jay on this one I would expect something that's very expensive and hand built to be a quality item regardless of whether or not it was designed to be a showpiece or not
There's a reason that the long, wide tire chopprs died off , it was a fad, and they are not ideal for riding . I've always seen occ more like rolling sculptures. Leno isn't the first person who has said that about them.
If OCC wanted to market their bikes as rolling artwork....... I WOULD SAY GREAT!...... But guys are trying tp ride these things to look cool. I wonder....Has anyone gotten hurt because of a verifiable design/construction flaw with these bikes?
I ride my chopper with a 280 rear almost daily. Not gonna say it’s the greatest bike ever but I enjoy it and have no issues or lack of trust in it. Takes some getting used to but once you do it’s not bad at all. Not saying I’m gonna take it down the Tail of the Dragon but for everyday riding it gets around much better than you think.
Exactly what I was thinking. You can put great parts on a bike or car but it doesn’t mean the end result is great. You still have to install them correctly and tune/adjust it.
@@edblasingame8139 a test ride, that is it. There is a little bit of sarcasm in my statement, sorry it went over your head. The bikes are show pieces, nothing more. Most of their builds were for corporations, not riders.
@@michaelconran5252 Didn't go over my Head!! JUNK IS JUNK!! So you mean that they rode in a straight line and didn't use the brakes??!! So you mean that there for Illustration purposes only??
@@edblasingame8139 they are not a rider's kind of bike. If it is the kind of bike you would like to ride, go for it. They look cool, that is it. You can argue all you want, they are display pieces.
As I have ground-up restored American and Japanese vintage bikes, and built a few customs, too, I'll chime in. The Teutuls are super talented and skillful, no doubt. But it is electronics 101 to never wire a circuit *through* a light. That's something you'd do to get home if something shorted out or you fried your rectifier, or something like that. Great reporting as always, DR. 👍
I remember when Jay had them on his show and he mentioned this issue right on the air! He called them pieces of junk right to Paul's face. Then they are pieces of junk. Wiring up the electrical system like a string of Christmas lights is about as amateur as you can get.
He was just being honest, i stopped by my friends shop one day back on 2000's when the show was still on , he had 2 occ bikes he was rewiring. $120,000 worth of motorcyles , customer had taken them out 3 times and had broke down 3 times , honestly the wiring was horrendous looking , otherwise they were beautiful bikes .
Melon head should’ve shut his mouth and called senior directly. But in this day and age of social media, everybody has a platform to cry on. I’m sure senior would’ve took care of the problem if jawline would have called him directly.
Its also kinda fuckwd that someone gave you a gift like that, and you shit on it. There are plenty of positive things to say. No one ever gave me a bike, and I'd be forever grateful if someone did.
This situation is kinda misleading if you don’t know about the custom one off builds or their mass production models. They had a low tier end of choppers that were complete garbage. Unless you spent $75k+ on them you got a shit bike. Now their complete custom builds for companies or individual customers aren’t meant to be comfortable. They’re meant to look stylish. I’ve been inside a Ferrari and I wouldn’t drive it across the country let alone a city. Iron Horse Choppers are no different. They’re supposed to look cool but they’re certainly not a bagger. I get what Leno is saying, but I’ve never heard of a custom chopper build that’s comfortable enough to go cross country.
Referring to your Ferrari comment. When I was a car salesman in California, I sold a 2013 Mustang Shelby GT500 to a guy in Arizona. California has a stupid law, unless you pay cash,has to be delivered to the owners state. I paid someone to drive it to the border a few hundred miles. Everyone thought I was crazy. Nope, I want comfort. I made about $2K on the deal, I could afford $200 to not drive it. Besides sales is commission, no money in wasting a whole day driving.
When I hear choppers & cross country riding it reminds me of comments made by Fonda & Hopper about all the cross riding they did on those hard tails for Easy Rider. By the end of filming they almost dreaded getting on in the morning from the sound of it.
I remember this episode and Jay’s reaction when they did the reveal. He didnt look thrilled with it when they gave it to him. Never been a fan of OCC or the fanfair of their stuff. Creative for sure but those bikes are bar hoppers and show stuff. My last out of state run was 1400 miles round trip. Wouldn’t do that on a rigid or chop.
Jesse James, Indian Larry and a couple others rode from LA to Sturgis on hardtails in Motorcycle Mania 2. Modern bikers have largely become pansies, happy on their dime-a-dozen Street Glides.
I’m not talking about those guys I like choppers. But I like real choppers not the showpiece type stuff that OCC became famous for. Anybody who I know that bought an OCC chopper had usually nothing but problems with it. Big price tag with a stock 80 in.³ motor not all that impressive. I had an excess amount of free time I would do long road trips on a chopper, but definitely beats your body up a little little bit more on longer runs.
I watched an episode of orange county chopper and watched as one of the guys built a battery box. It turned out to small but instead of building another or altering the box to fit the battery correctly they just jammed the battery in the box. The was to me a red flag on how they built bikes. As far as choppers being" ride comfortable", for the most part they are not easy to ride. I believe they are built for aesthetics or just because it looks cool.
@@conservativerealist I know that but if someone gives you something, isn’t it kind of low to publicly put down the gift, as well the gifter which is inferred?
OCC was not into bike building, they were a family reality show. It was all about the drama between the father and son. Anyone in the bike building business said the same thing about OCC's bikes, they were all about being a decoration for some corporation's lobby, they were not to be ridden.
That wasn't payback at all. I saw that as Sr grasping at straws. Most entertainers in that business use a teleprompter these days and some even have a producer chirping in their ear. Very much a part of the business and always has been.
And.....If Jay was shown Dickheads response....I doubt he would comment. Leno has better things to do than get involved with some thin-skinned bitchs hurt feelings.
OCC Bikes are for Biker Culture people. Jay Leno is NOT Biker Culture people. Why would anyone care if Leno, or anyone else who isn't inked, criticized tattoos? Leno is an expert in historical mass-produced motorized vehicles of all types. But he isn't an expert on art or custom builds. The other thing we don't know, and maybe Leno doesn't know, is how much have Leno's mechanics monkeyed with that bike over the last 20 years that he has owned it?
Everyone should know that OCC bikes are built for show . I have seen many times on the SHOW where something did not fit right and out comes the hammer, not the right way to fix a alignment problem or any problem on a motorcycle for that matter . Jay was spot on in his comments .
IMO OCC builds for Celebrities that received PROMOTION were FREE to the Celebrities. Will Smith, Jay Leno etc... Jay had the bike on his show as well as Paul Jr and Sr on the show. Will Smith had the bike at the premier of his movie i -Robot .. As for companies they paid for the bikes which is a marketing write off proportionated to your tax bracket say 40%=Federal ,7%=State write off so 47 percent was written off as a marketing expense. Which since the bike was on TV Show ... Also Charity Auction the bike can be written off. IMO Your Ground Should Not Be to the Tail Light. Also The fact that electric systems have effected the bike yeah problem. We don't know if Jay contacted Paul Sr. SR is a bit arrogant. So who knows... If the bike was a gift than Jay would have to declare the VALUE OF THE BIKE AS SICH & Be Taxed Portion to it so he would have paid or the TV SHOW PAID TAXES 50 percentage of Value... Now I assume that the bike was a bonus to Jay from the show & he may have paid say $1 ... That's THE Tonight Show ..
OMG I thought this channel was a spoof, and then realized it was real. 😂😂😂 so much badassery and toughguyness. And the ridiculous accent? Over the top.
New to the show, been catching up on videos. Nothing but respect for you from South Texas. From what I've seen so far, love for politics, real issues and content. PS: 43 and generational motorcycle rider.
Jay Leno is well respected because he doesn't hold back. He openly speaks about all kinds of mechanical vehicles. The fact that you have something in Leno's collection means it holds value as collector piece. Leno's collection is the gold standard of what to own for gear heads.
BX bro, first off as an OG, I ride a 98 Evo springer that I bought 10 years ago. It had 2900 miles on it. Now it has 60,000 miles on it. And I’ve never broke down with it. So I call bullshit on Harley’s breaking down, even the new ones. Look bro, Jay Leno knows more about old cars and bikes than Paul sr can imagine. He knows how to fix them, plus he has a crew of dudes that know how to. He’s got a garage full of antique,custom,and one off shit. You don’t have all that without knowing something. The OCC shit was just a fad. I’m sure Jay went through that bike and realized it wasn’t all that. I think the real problem is that the cycle drag guy got an invite to check out Jays stuff. Jay told the guy what he thought, then that dude turned into a punk for views. I think it was a bitch move on his part, he’s probably praying for TMZ to come calling for an interview. The OCC bike Jay got, in my opinion is really fucking stupid looking. A fucking waste of a $25,000 knuckle motor. When Paul sr says choppers have problems. I got a 1948 flathead chopper that I built 23 years ago. Never left me on the side of the road. But ya your right. Chopper solo seats hurt your ass.
Ever since Leno made fun of Kerrie Strug for breaking her ankle and fighting through it to complete her final vault to win team USA a gold medal at the Olympics, he can go f himself
My opinion on Jay Leno's comments is it's his opinion everybody's entitled to an opinion and to be honest Jay Leno's freedom of speech doesn't end where Paul seniors feelings begin
So I’ll say if they just happen to come on his show and asked about the bike, and he gave his honest opinion, it is what it is, and he has the right to do that! If he ran to the media to say something about it specifically, and that is just shit! I personally think anything that isn’t reliable 100% isn’t worth the money! Even if I was a millionaire, I still wouldn’t buy one of those things because I like for my shit to function properly with no issues.
Jay Leno also commissioned OCC to build him a bike, separate from the one that he was talking about and voicing his opinion on the quality and workmanship of the product that he received.
The interview guy worked for WWE and he still sounds like it. He can't talk in a normal tone. He sounds like the DJ at a Strip Club. He's just trying to start some controversy to get views and it's working.
Private conversation bout what? Whomever builts d bike especially those expensive bikes supposed 2 know d big no,nos in engineering. It's like running fuel lines along an exhaust or spark plugs wires 4 example. Those r basics. How u going 2 run d circuit or d whole electric power of d bike through a tail light. Sooo... d light bulb is a fuse also? That's like using aluminum foil as fuses it's just as bad
I have built Custom Tractor Truck Units and Specialized Heavy Equipment. No bikes. Custom Car Audio and Mobile Electronic Systems. With Custom work some things get lost in translation very easily. Sometimes you get the look, but it is fragile and expensive to fix. Some clients understand that. Some do not. They get an expectation because of what they paid. Not realizing that what they asked for was either impractical, illogical, or defied certain laws of Physical Science altogether and looked great but was not functional. With custom work. It is no different thean building a race engine. If you buy a bolt on kit, you get bolt on results. If you build from raw design, there is trial and error. I have built Custom Semis that the factory took 6 weeks with an engineer, in about 12 days that passed the DOT first shot, with like 4-5 other guys. Experience is important. No matter what, custom is custom. Usually one of a kind. That's is sometimes all you get. Just being honest. We were something back in the day. Good times.
low brow to beef on youtube... I am surprised at Jack(cycle drag) for running with this back-and-forth beef. should be as you mentioned, a phone call between MEN.
Totally agree with Jay. I live one county over from OCC. everyone knows these bikes are more for display than ridden. But with Jays knowledge and experience. Why did he take it. Or bother keeping. Jay has far better, legendary and rideable bikes. LoL
I'm probably not the best person for this because I've always thought Jay Leno was complete ass along with his show. But how are you going to complain about a free $100,000 bike somebody gave you. And second he got the bike 20 years ago so how long did it sit around before he actually went out and rode it and had the issue? Plus it's an art piece, I don't complain that my Victory Vegas won't pull a trailer like my Dodge Cummins will
When you give a well known celebrity a peice of your work, your intention is to get free advertising for your stuff, Jay being known for his mechanical ability, didnt feel comfortable telling the public that its great, he told the truth.....go Jay!
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If the bike is free then Jay Leno has nothing to bit-- about. He is actually out of line.
Why should it have been a private convo?? THESE DUDES AINT FRIENDS. HAHAHAHAHAHA. It’s crazy to think a dude like jay leno who bought a building in NY CITY TO USE AS A FUCKIN GARAGE To Bother with an OBVIOUS “Novelty” BIKE BUILDER AND A E LISTEN CELEB COMPARED TO JAY WHOS AN A LISTER ALL DAY!!?? If the bikes trash and he paid for it he has EVERY RIGHT TO BITCH ABOUT IT ESP WHEN WE ALLLLLL KNOW LENO CAN FUCKIN BUILD A BIKE/car/truck or a fuckin rocking horse. lol dude LOVES MOTOR VEHICLES
I guess you could call it a gift. He didn't gift me one. He did wait 25 yrs. However it's kinda like the 100k monster trucks they rent from the bank,they jack em up and if it aint done right they pay for it. But it's like Paul Sr. said they're not for cross country.
Jay doesn't work on bikes. So anything that fails he can't see from a mechanics perspective what's really wrong.
Jay isn't the first to complain about OCC.
Nope. I have seen o
OCC bikes up close. Some of their show bikes look nice but they're not practical to ride. The other bikes they made, look like crap. I understand why Leno's complaining about the bike, they are pretty much JUNK.
I stated that
And that’s the problem with OCC bikes. They were pretty much nothing but show pieces. Looking back at the show after getting older, I’ve noticed that practically the entire OCC brand image is based off of the Black Widow, Fire bike, Air Force, and Statue of Liberty bike.
There's a reason OCC is out of business and he went bankrupt and Jay is worth millions.
@@stevengadzinski2802always loved the Spider-Man bike too
You call it hating. I call it an honest review. No way you can change my respect for Jay. And the people who criticize can only do that if they in turn build a better bike? What happened to the consumers' right to review?
Bingo, hit the nail on the head!
When it's a gift, the "customer" can stfu.
Nah as a man thats not how we do it. if it was so trash lets fuckin see it then, dont talk about. Mf show us the problems..........
i mean where i come from Jay looks like he cant even do a cartwheel so why tf would i trust someone like him about 'geometry'
man come on dude. what are we even talking about.
Show us this bike
Ehhhh I think a rider can criticize a bike. Don’t have to be a chef to know McDonald’s sucks.
@@FreeDiddy5150 😂 well said Tommy!
Shouldn't give Jay a crap bike. Leno's just telling the truth.😊
Hey Rex P. I'm thinking 💭 that in order to make you comments either you know something that the rest of us don't , or you're a rice burner ( japanese motorcycle ) lover , or you're just talking s - - t , and that being said I for one respect both men 🚹 a lot and would like to see them have a sit down and talk things out , I'm from just south of the bay area in Central California , originally and rode as an independent for most of my 30 year riding career and whether it should or not the situation with Jay and Paul can be very polarizing and could lead to unnecessary hostilities to happen if Jay and Paul don't come to some sort of no harm , no foul type of agreement 😊😅😮😢😂❤😂😊❤😊❤😊
Rex, maybe so, but I can say you're not someone most want to be friends with. You're obviously a bad person.
yea I want my friends to give me problems I want them to give me something that could possibly break and maybe cause me physical harm if I have to lay the thing down maybe on the highway or so
@@pleasedieKindly you don't have friend's though
@@TingTingalingy u throwing personal insults because ur a Stan of OCC or cause u have no points left?
Jay reviews are honest unbiased and he actually rides and drives all his stuff.
Paul's response to the question didn't even speak to the electrical problem Jay complained about. Jay complained the electrical ran through a light assembly. So if the bulb fails the bike shuts off. A bulb on a chopper would likely be the most commonly failing part on that bike. So to run the electrical in a way that a bulb failure will shut it of while riding is a very very bad design, and likely was a shortcut during assembly. His second complaint about camber was valid as well. When Paul responded to that complaint by saying the bike has the same camber angle as a stock Harley is misleading. It may have the same camber angle, but the front forks were almost twice as long. Which will make it very bad a turning and stability. So to keep the camber angle the same as stock while lengthening the forks is a bad design choice. Jay was right in both concerns, and Paul tried to save face by being misleading with his answers hoping people would buy his bullshit response.
Thank you I was going to say the same thing
Jay Leno isn't the only person claiming that Paul's bikes are inferior. Regardless of the expensive engine and parts, if the manufacturing of the bike is no Bueno, it's going to be considered a bad build. Can I build bikes? No but I've seen quality custom bikes of all kinds and I can recall seeing a few OCC bikes and they were not anything special just like ice recently seen two of the builds from Gotham garage and they are far superior in comparison. Loved dudes show, but you cannot deny someone the right to critique your art just because you like letterman more. Leno is a car guy, he knows quality when he sees it.
I have always known from experience 5 + years. Choppers are not comfortable riders. They are like that one ton extended cab 10 ft bed. Not built for parking!!!!!
Well said
Jay is spot on.
Paul made a statement #1. Harley softail is 35 degrees rake. ( True) Jay's bike is 35 degrees rake ( true) but what he forgot to say was. Jay's bike also has #1. Longer front end. 2. Longer down tubes on the frame. #3. Backbone of the frame is longer. #4. This makes the bike hard to handle. This is a fact Paul. P.S. motor & trans doesn't have anything to do with the issue.
Simply having the same rake doesn't make for the same handling characteristics.
As You said the front end length, trail, stretch, how fat the hopitey-hop fat as a 55 gallon drum rear tire is compared to the pizza cutter with front tire is all play a part in the rolling abominations handling.
Funny before that reality drama came on TV the orange county bikes were more tasteful & traditional machines.
I didn't care for the show or the motorcycles but to each his own.
I think west coast customs usually do 40 degrees cause it’s there like trade mark style
There's a LOT more to building a quality bike than just buying a pile of expensive parts.🙄
Lmao Jay isn’t the only one to come out about OCC bikes…lmao it’s the same with the “Pimp my ride” cars.
Yea thats what i said a lot of people have
Big difference from Pimp My Ride. Those cars were just junkers. OCC bikes are built from the ground up with new parts, the top tier bikes like Leno's are hand built.
@@monroe7403 if I recall correctly they used prefabbed frames, no shocks or suspension really, and basic wiring with a built motor from someone else… No real talent…lmao.
No shit
Got news for you, there is no beef. Jay called out OCC choppers for what they really are, and Paul didn’t like it. If Paul thinks there’s a beef then he on his own 😂😂😂
The cycle drag guy is starting a bunch of shit between them for views
Yeah that guys a leech for sure.
Exactly!
Exactly!
Exactly!
Exactly!
Also the dude on cycledrag seems like he was trying to cause the beef For views.
Yea def lol
That’s what I don’t like about the whole thing! Instigate for views!
Yes I agree he's a stirring type obviously and stir he has , good or bad it your choice
@@lloydholland6475 demons row letting people know what's going on and applying the truth and open discussion is great. Let's it be seen for what it is. Other guy I dont like so much.
And we just watched it. We are not the solution 😂
I didn’t see Leno taking a shot at creativity. He essentially said the chopper was a display piece and not really for riding. That seems to be a common viewpoint of people who have had choppers from OCC.
Leno was asked a question in front of a camera and he gave an honest opinion. How can anyone be made at that. He is a collector and connoisseur of vehicles. How can anyone be upset with his apparent honest response to a question. It would be worse if he lied.
If you gave someone s gift and they said it was trash publicly you cant see how that would bother someone?
If I'm not mistaken the bike that Jay is talking about is 1 that Jay had commissioned OCC to built for him because it is similar to a European bike that Jay has@@DemonsRow
@@DemonsRow I don't think it was a "Gift". OCC made bikes to sit on a pedestal. Not really bikes, honestly, he made "bikes" that weren't made to move. Just sit there and look like something...
@@DemonsRowyou are definitely right on that point. The old "if you can't say something nice..." Like I've repeatedly told my wife(with her fast mouth) "There's no juice in the squeeze." In short, if it doesn't have a positive reason, you probably should just STFU.
Jay isn’t the only one that’s said the OC bikes were horrible. They aren’t an investment
Funny how WCC still work just great . Lol
Here's my take
From someone that has built a few of their own motorcycles over the years from a bunch of pieces laying around the shop and then drove those bikes for thousands of miles
OCC choppers are supposed to be hand built motorcycles these are not mass produced these are built one at a time and they're very expensive
So I got a side with Jay on this one I would expect something that's very expensive and hand built to be a quality item regardless of whether or not it was designed to be a showpiece or not
He wasn't talking about the brake pads.... He said it's wired through the brake light.
There's a reason that the long, wide tire chopprs died off , it was a fad, and they are not ideal for riding . I've always seen occ more like rolling sculptures. Leno isn't the first person who has said that about them.
If OCC wanted to market their bikes as rolling artwork....... I WOULD SAY GREAT!...... But guys are trying tp ride these things to look cool.
I wonder....Has anyone gotten hurt because of a verifiable design/construction flaw with these bikes?
I ride my chopper with a 280 rear almost daily. Not gonna say it’s the greatest bike ever but I enjoy it and have no issues or lack of trust in it. Takes some getting used to but once you do it’s not bad at all.
Not saying I’m gonna take it down the Tail of the Dragon but for everyday riding it gets around much better than you think.
Just because you used good parts in the build doesn’t mean you installed them correctly.
Exactly what I was thinking. You can put great parts on a bike or car but it doesn’t mean the end result is great. You still have to install them correctly and tune/adjust it.
I would TRUST Jay Leno before I would TRUST OCC!!! Leno isn't the only One who has COMPLAINED ABOUT OCC!!
The bikes for the TV show were "For Display Purposes Only" not bikes you ride.
@@michaelconran5252 So you mean like putting Perfume on a pig!!?? That's funny as they would always take it for a ride when they finished it!!!
@@edblasingame8139 a test ride, that is it. There is a little bit of sarcasm in my statement, sorry it went over your head. The bikes are show pieces, nothing more. Most of their builds were for corporations, not riders.
@@michaelconran5252 Didn't go over my Head!! JUNK IS JUNK!! So you mean that they rode in a straight line and didn't use the brakes??!! So you mean that there for Illustration purposes only??
@@edblasingame8139 they are not a rider's kind of bike. If it is the kind of bike you would like to ride, go for it. They look cool, that is it. You can argue all you want, they are display pieces.
If your bike stops running cuz of the brake lite that's all wrong and Jay ain't the only one who has said that Pauls bike ain't worth the money
As I have ground-up restored American and Japanese vintage bikes, and built a few customs, too, I'll chime in. The Teutuls are super talented and skillful, no doubt. But it is electronics 101 to never wire a circuit *through* a light. That's something you'd do to get home if something shorted out or you fried your rectifier, or something like that. Great reporting as always, DR. 👍
Jay aint the only one that has said that about the bikes
He got asked a question and he answered it.
Everyone thought OCC bikes were goofy. Built for novelty. Different strokes for different folks but, I stand with, Jay.
Some of those bikes looked like they were built from a JC Whitney chopper starter kit.
Lol
Truthfully you should always let people know about bad products! Bluecolar people buy these bikes too! We want to know if they are crap!
I remember when Jay had them on his show and he mentioned this issue right on the air! He called them pieces of junk right to Paul's face. Then they are pieces of junk. Wiring up the electrical system like a string of Christmas lights is about as amateur as you can get.
He didn't give him shit... The channel production company gave it to him....
The Teutels are clowns that built clown bikes. Jay is the real biker.
He was just being honest, i stopped by my friends shop one day back on 2000's when the show was still on , he had 2 occ bikes he was rewiring. $120,000 worth of motorcyles , customer had taken them out 3 times and had broke down 3 times , honestly the wiring was horrendous looking , otherwise they were beautiful bikes .
Melon head should’ve shut his mouth and called senior directly. But in this day and age of social media, everybody has a platform to cry on. I’m sure senior would’ve took care of the problem if jawline would have called him directly.
I agree pick up the phone
And what would that have done? Paul never would have fixed anything.
That may have happened. I don't see Sr. fixing it anyway.
lol alot of people call their bikes crap.
Its also kinda fuckwd that someone gave you a gift like that, and you shit on it. There are plenty of positive things to say. No one ever gave me a bike, and I'd be forever grateful if someone did.
Yea i would too your right
Wasn't a gift.
The bike may have been a gift, but you don't think Orange county choppers benefit from that gift Jay Leno come on now let me know what they was doing
@@derekbraggs5607 im sure an ad spot during the leno show is at least 5 figures
This situation is kinda misleading if you don’t know about the custom one off builds or their mass production models. They had a low tier end of choppers that were complete garbage. Unless you spent $75k+ on them you got a shit bike. Now their complete custom builds for companies or individual customers aren’t meant to be comfortable. They’re meant to look stylish. I’ve been inside a Ferrari and I wouldn’t drive it across the country let alone a city. Iron Horse Choppers are no different. They’re supposed to look cool but they’re certainly not a bagger. I get what Leno is saying, but I’ve never heard of a custom chopper build that’s comfortable enough to go cross country.
Yes i agree
Some of the bikes were a million and a half and the other ones in the back ground were a hundred and Fifty k.Matt Hotches mother told me that
Referring to your Ferrari comment. When I was a car salesman in California, I sold a 2013 Mustang Shelby GT500 to a guy in Arizona. California has a stupid law, unless you pay cash,has to be delivered to the owners state. I paid someone to drive it to the border a few hundred miles. Everyone thought I was crazy. Nope, I want comfort. I made about $2K on the deal, I could afford $200 to not drive it. Besides sales is commission, no money in wasting a whole day driving.
When I hear choppers & cross country riding it reminds me of comments made by Fonda & Hopper about all the cross riding they did on those hard tails for Easy Rider. By the end of filming they almost dreaded getting on in the morning from the sound of it.
@@chrissmith7669 fuck a hardtail, was a Marine infantryman for 20 years. Not going to ride a hardtail more than 20 feet
Yeah, a "Gift?" So, Jay is bitching about something he got for free... To me, that's showing a lack of Class... :-) Peace, Stiletto :-)
I'm with Jay on this one. Many others have complained about there bikes
Jay is 100% spot on! OCC bikes were junk.
Screw Leno and Sr
I remember this episode and Jay’s reaction when they did the reveal. He didnt look thrilled with it when they gave it to him. Never been a fan of OCC or the fanfair of their stuff. Creative for sure but those bikes are bar hoppers and show stuff. My last out of state run was 1400 miles round trip. Wouldn’t do that on a rigid or chop.
But Hard core chopper guy's do.
Jesse James, Indian Larry and a couple others rode from LA to Sturgis on hardtails in Motorcycle Mania 2. Modern bikers have largely become pansies, happy on their dime-a-dozen Street Glides.
I’m not talking about those guys I like choppers. But I like real choppers not the showpiece type stuff that OCC became famous for. Anybody who I know that bought an OCC chopper had usually nothing but problems with it. Big price tag with a stock 80 in.³ motor not all that impressive. I had an excess amount of free time I would do long road trips on a chopper, but definitely beats your body up a little little bit more on longer runs.
I watched an episode of orange county chopper and watched as one of the guys built a battery box. It turned out to small but instead of building another or altering the box to fit the battery correctly they just jammed the battery in the box. The was to me a red flag on how they built bikes. As far as choppers being" ride comfortable", for the most part they are not easy to ride. I believe they are built for aesthetics or just because it looks cool.
Jay has "screw you go away" money and OCC went bankrupt 🤣
Jay def got fu money
If Jay hates the chopper so bad, give it back to Orange County Choppers, or auction it off for Charity.
Very true
Jay actually does give alot to different charities
@@conservativerealist I know that but if someone gives you something, isn’t it kind of low to publicly put down the gift, as well the gifter which is inferred?
Let’s be real here… OCC lost nothing on this, chances are the network covered the cost and labor for the bike…lmao
@@beardedwonder8333 Jay got the bike for free
OCC was not into bike building, they were a family reality show. It was all about the drama between the father and son. Anyone in the bike building business said the same thing about OCC's bikes, they were all about being a decoration for some corporation's lobby, they were not to be ridden.
its easy to say it but to build a better bike not so easy
All TV built bikes were 150k builds. If Jay didn't buy it the discovery paid for it. That was not a free bike
Grown men acting like kids...
Paul's counter argument: 'all the stuff I didn't fabricate was high quality'
The way Senior turned around and suddenly trashed Jay Leno's craft with the q card's comments was perfect. Pay back are a b...
yes lol
That wasn't payback at all. I saw that as Sr grasping at straws. Most entertainers in that business use a teleprompter these days and some even have a producer chirping in their ear. Very much a part of the business and always has been.
All those teleprompters must be broke, all they seem to say is "Trump Trump Trump..." lol
And.....If Jay was shown Dickheads response....I doubt he would comment. Leno has better things to do than get involved with some thin-skinned bitchs hurt feelings.
Leno beat Lettermen for years and all late night host use q cards and lettermen did also.
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Respect to Paul Sr.
What a rat move by the interviewer, runs straight to Paul sr like a middle school girl ready to spread drama.
He definitely should have kept it private between the two of them I’m sure they would have worked out a solution
I believe Jay. He knows bikes. OCC built theme bikes. Not meant to ride anyway.
Welcome to Owning a chopper sometimes you get where you are going and other times you don't it all about the looks and not the ride
Style over substance. Cyberpunk. Best comment.
OCC Bikes are for Biker Culture people. Jay Leno is NOT Biker Culture people. Why would anyone care if Leno, or anyone else who isn't inked, criticized tattoos? Leno is an expert in historical mass-produced motorized vehicles of all types. But he isn't an expert on art or custom builds. The other thing we don't know, and maybe Leno doesn't know, is how much have Leno's mechanics monkeyed with that bike over the last 20 years that he has owned it?
Very true
Yeah I think that was very unprofessional of Jay to publicly say that, unless OCC had screwed him over in some way. 🤨
OCC’s are display bikes for RUBS.
Everyone should know that OCC bikes are built for show . I have seen many times on the SHOW where something did not fit right and out comes the hammer, not the right way to fix a alignment problem or any problem on a motorcycle for that matter . Jay was spot on in his comments .
I remember watching those early shows and thinking to myself these guys are cavemen
Sound like Paul's getting some Alzheimer's
IMO OCC builds for Celebrities that received PROMOTION were FREE to the Celebrities. Will Smith, Jay Leno etc... Jay had the bike on his show as well as Paul Jr and Sr on the show. Will Smith had the bike at the premier of his movie i -Robot .. As for companies they paid for the bikes which is a marketing write off proportionated to your tax bracket say 40%=Federal ,7%=State write off so 47 percent was written off as a marketing expense. Which since the bike was on TV Show ... Also Charity Auction the bike can be written off. IMO Your Ground Should Not Be to the Tail Light. Also The fact that electric systems have effected the bike yeah problem. We don't know if Jay contacted Paul Sr. SR is a bit arrogant. So who knows... If the bike was a gift than Jay would have to declare the VALUE OF THE BIKE AS SICH & Be Taxed Portion to it so he would have paid or the TV SHOW PAID TAXES 50 percentage of Value... Now I assume that the bike was a bonus to Jay from the show & he may have paid say $1 ... That's THE Tonight Show ..
Free speech......God bless this country
Jay is a macanical purest, he fixes and operates everything he owns. Jay Leno has always been Real!!
And 100%. “Nah he meant that”. That other dude that buys every bike he comes across also said the same shit.
Jesse James said it best🎉
1st also funny I heard alot of people say orange county choppers Were all hype.
OMG I thought this channel was a spoof, and then realized it was real. 😂😂😂 so much badassery and toughguyness. And the ridiculous accent? Over the top.
No one is going to win a fight with Leno he’s just to loved. He has way to much integrity
Jay was telling the bike what it was. He told the truth.
You give someone a gift, it should work. PERIOD.
I have no dog in the hunt but EVERY Harley owner I've knows talks about their breakdowns in the middle of nowhere not how awesome the trip was!
Hes complaining 21yrs later because he was asked directly, he wasn't just randomly throwing shade
THAT IS NO LEGEND, it's just an angry old man. aka, Paul sir…
I had a Harley Davidson that was brand new and it was constantly in the shop. It was junk. Like Paul said it was free!
They have no resale value
Look at the average resale value of OCC bikes. ‘Nuff said.
Jessie James said it best OC bikes were cookie cutter bike . Not made to be ridden but to be a trophy in the corner
New to the show, been catching up on videos. Nothing but respect for you from South Texas. From what I've seen so far, love for politics, real issues and content.
PS: 43 and generational motorcycle rider.
Jay Leno is well respected because he doesn't hold back. He openly speaks about all kinds of mechanical vehicles. The fact that you have something in Leno's collection means it holds value as collector piece. Leno's collection is the gold standard of what to own for gear heads.
He owns a few occ bikes
thank god we have a white guy pretending to be black explaining motorcycles. totally gonna make a podcast bc apparently everyone can make one.
im puerto rican lol
BX bro, first off as an OG, I ride a 98 Evo springer that I bought 10 years ago. It had 2900 miles on it. Now it has 60,000 miles on it. And I’ve never broke down with it. So I call bullshit on Harley’s breaking down, even the new ones. Look bro, Jay Leno knows more about old cars and bikes than Paul sr can imagine. He knows how to fix them, plus he has a crew of dudes that know how to. He’s got a garage full of antique,custom,and one off shit. You don’t have all that without knowing something. The OCC shit was just a fad. I’m sure Jay went through that bike and realized it wasn’t all that. I think the real problem is that the cycle drag guy got an invite to check out Jays stuff. Jay told the guy what he thought, then that dude turned into a punk for views. I think it was a bitch move on his part, he’s probably praying for TMZ to come calling for an interview. The OCC bike Jay got, in my opinion is really fucking stupid looking. A fucking waste of a $25,000 knuckle motor. When Paul sr says choppers have problems. I got a 1948 flathead chopper that I built 23 years ago. Never left me on the side of the road. But ya your right. Chopper solo seats hurt your ass.
harleys do break down. mine wont even start in the cold most the time
Paul missed the part that Jay said the electric system passed through the brake light not that the breaks were bad.
Ever since Leno made fun of Kerrie Strug for breaking her ankle and fighting through it to complete her final vault to win team USA a gold medal at the Olympics, he can go f himself
Jay Leno knows quality. OCC was not quality. I know similar stories from OCC owners.
My opinion on Jay Leno's comments is it's his opinion everybody's entitled to an opinion and to be honest Jay Leno's freedom of speech doesn't end where Paul seniors feelings begin
So I’ll say if they just happen to come on his show and asked about the bike, and he gave his honest opinion, it is what it is, and he has the right to do that! If he ran to the media to say something about it specifically, and that is just shit! I personally think anything that isn’t reliable 100% isn’t worth the money! Even if I was a millionaire, I still wouldn’t buy one of those things because I like for my shit to function properly with no issues.
Jay Leno also commissioned OCC to build him a bike, separate from the one that he was talking about and voicing his opinion on the quality and workmanship of the product that he received.
Iv actually rode an OCC chopper. That’s why I have an Indian Larry bike. I’m not joking ya
I respect jays opinion all day long over OCC. MY 2008 Goldwing with 100k miles could do laps around OCC junk
Making a prank call to OCC with the ol' man on the phone would be priceless.
The interview guy worked for WWE and he still sounds like it. He can't talk in a normal tone. He sounds like the DJ at a Strip Club. He's just trying to start some controversy to get views and it's working.
OCC were a bunch of clowns once the show took off. All form, no function. Then they cranked out subpar bikes for the masses to cash in.
Guys a legend
@@DemonsRowyea in his own mind !
I live and work down the road from the shop and the big showroom building. It was repossessed by the bank and now sits empty
Private conversation bout what? Whomever builts d bike especially those expensive bikes supposed 2 know d big no,nos in engineering. It's like running fuel lines along an exhaust or spark plugs wires 4 example. Those r basics. How u going 2 run d circuit or d whole electric power of d bike through a tail light. Sooo... d light bulb is a fuse also? That's like using aluminum foil as fuses it's just as bad
I have built Custom Tractor Truck Units and Specialized Heavy Equipment. No bikes. Custom Car Audio and Mobile Electronic Systems.
With Custom work some things get lost in translation very easily. Sometimes you get the look, but it is fragile and expensive to fix.
Some clients understand that. Some do not. They get an expectation because of what they paid. Not realizing that what they asked for was either impractical, illogical, or defied certain laws of Physical Science altogether and looked great but was not functional.
With custom work. It is no different thean building a race engine. If you buy a bolt on kit, you get bolt on results. If you build from raw design, there is trial and error.
I have built Custom Semis that the factory took 6 weeks with an engineer, in about 12 days that passed the DOT first shot, with like 4-5 other guys. Experience is important. No matter what, custom is custom. Usually one of a kind. That's is sometimes all you get. Just being honest.
We were something back in the day. Good times.
That little guy is an instigator .doing that just to be on the spot.
leno is 2 face snake he the same guy who screw over Conan if you remember
No i dont know about that
@@DemonsRowhe retired , gave conan the tonight show and then kicked him off then took it back it was the sleezyest move in entertainment history
low brow to beef on youtube... I am surprised at Jack(cycle drag) for running with this back-and-forth beef. should be as you mentioned, a phone call between MEN.
Absolutely no hate in that video. Just truth.
Totally agree with Jay. I live one county over from OCC. everyone knows these bikes are more for display than ridden. But with Jays knowledge and experience. Why did he take it. Or bother keeping. Jay has far better, legendary and rideable bikes. LoL
We use to call them beach cruisers. Only good for weekend rides along the beach. Everybody has their own likes.
I'm probably not the best person for this because I've always thought Jay Leno was complete ass along with his show. But how are you going to complain about a free $100,000 bike somebody gave you. And second he got the bike 20 years ago so how long did it sit around before he actually went out and rode it and had the issue? Plus it's an art piece, I don't complain that my Victory Vegas won't pull a trailer like my Dodge Cummins will
When you give a well known celebrity a peice of your work, your intention is to get free advertising for your stuff, Jay being known for his mechanical ability, didnt feel comfortable telling the public that its great, he told the truth.....go Jay!
Great stuff.