Why you should NEVER Buy an Orange County Chopper
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Ever wonder what its like to drive an Orange County Chopper, well so Did I and its whatever not that great. but its still super cool to own.
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Losing $70K in 15 years? Man, I can beat that, no problem. I was married.
I see ur marriage- and raise u marriage + six kids.... never thought blowing all this cash could be so boring 😂🤣🤣
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Lmao
$400,000 in 3 here. Not marriage, long story but a greatly devalued retirement plan.
@@muskokamike127 '08 to '16?
Did you know that 95% of all the bikes OCC ever made are still on the road?
The other 5% made it home.
dead
Haaa hilarious 😂
LMAO oh so cruel.
Epic 😂
If i spent that much on a bike it would be a Revelation. The one with a Huyabusa engine
I always find it amazing that you cannot import a vehicle to the US (less than 25 years old) if it doesn't go through the US testing, but you can build any old dangerous crap you want and run it.
😂
‘Murica lol😂
Can we nominate you for the best comment award. 👊🏼
@@jamespeters2859 Sure! 🤣
Blame Mercedes
Jay Leno was scathing in his review. On the OCC he owned, power to the entire electrical system was routed through the taillight, so when the bulb burned out... all electrical on the bike went dead.
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Yeah that was insane. These things are made by people who seem to be both incompetent and indifferent.
😂😂😂😂
@@yamabushi170 And they know that most of those bikes will be parked in some companies lobby to look cool and for that, who needs a working bike?
Harley Davidson is the only engine manufacturer to figure out how to turn gasoline directly into noise without making horsepower.
😂😂😂😂
That was good
Detroit Diesel has the same honor
@@wiz12 that Jake brake will remove your hearing too lol 😂
My brother had a Triumph Tiger 750 with it chopped and the sissy bar you can’t get off of moving. It was badass
Ride it 5 miles to the bar. Sit outside with your buddies who also took out a second mortgage on their house to buy a chopper. Ride it home and polish it like the turd it is. Repeat next Saturday.
Just don't drink too much while at the bar. That front end might feel a little wobbly on the way home after a few shots.
🤣
To be honest that actually sounds fun lol without the chopper bit
That why there’s no mileage odometer. It does little more than make some noise then go back into the shed.
.....these and large trucks .....and then people wonder why they can't retire.
I've been to the old OCC headquarters when the show was still in production and saw many of their builds up close in the showroom. I found them to be over the top gaudy and nothing more than gimmicks. I've also ridden with guys over the years with various choppers and they all told the same story that the bikes were essentially unrideable. I'll take my Softail Deluxe over them any day of the week.
That's because they were never meant to be ridable. They always were showpieces for companies. Why is anyone still surprised by that?
I'm not a motorcycle guy but I liked watching American Chopper because I liked seeing the creativity of some of the builds. That was it for me pretty much.
After watching the occ show for years it was interesting how much work they didn’t do.
Yeah they did farm a bunch of shit out.
$80K new $8K now what a complete waste of money!
@@chrismerkel9604 To be fair a new 80k BMW will go for 8K in 10 years also.
A Rare good Bike on the other Hand should not, so i'm with you lmao.
Didn't the original owner get the bike for free as part of a contest?
They were show Bikes that were'nt designed to be practical.
When the officer ask "do you know how fast you were going?" you can honestly answer "no".
Might actually try tht out
You would have to find a school zone to speed on that ledsled
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Lol, you think you're gonna get a speeding ticket on this rolling trash-pile?
As fast as this POS would go.
You're exactly right. It has to be fun to ride. It blows my mind to see the torture some people put themselves through, and for what??
Fragile masculinity.
Big egos, little d**s😊
To look "cool"...
I rode with a guy that had one. Gas tank held like a gallon and a half. We had to stop 6 times for fuel in a 3 hr ride.
I watched every episode of American Chopper growing up and never once did I actually think that any of those bikes were being built for functionality or comfort.
Really, every one of them?
I put a jet engine in my Mustang last spring, and the chicks really dig me.
Cause you were right
I think the tv show glorified the "biker" image, so people that had never really been interested in motorcycles, went out and bought bikes to be "cool." Then they found out that they really don't like the motorcycle scene. In my opinion, you have to love bikes to enjoy riding a hard tail chopper. They aren't for everyone.
@@timmattle4730 dude those fights were TOO real
Exactly, you buy a chopper you don't buy it to ride it any further than the local pub.
I remember when the whole chopper scene came out so I watched a couple episodes of occ and I didn't get it. I thought they were just gawdy, unridable pieces of junk. 20 years later, this guy gets a chance to ride one and confirms all of my suspicions
Yup, they were clearly just cash-grabs.. Cheap, off the shelf components, slapped together with tacky, gaudy 'custom' bullshit on top.. Their 57' Chevy bike was the height of OCC awfulness, probably the ugliest bike ever made.
I just liked watching Sr. And Jr. fighting.
True but people will pay anything to fit in. Look at the full size pickup truck scene now. In a few years when that scene is dead or those blue collar workers can't afford their gas anymore they will realize all people saw was them trying to cover up for their tiny manhood with their full size pickup.
@@John_21601 Pretty sure that's why most people tuned in, yes. Drama fo yo mama
@@thegreatfomo or because you actually need a full-size truck.
I got a custom chopper I built with my pops back in 2004. I absolutely love riding it but we also made it a softail design and built it where it's very smooth riding down the road.
I like bikes with gear indicator, full instrumentation, 400+ KM cruise range, fuel injection, super comfy saddle, and worldwide dealerships and lots of aftermarket suppliers.
Picky, picky, picky. 🤣
I remember celebrities ordering bikes on the show and then never riding them, putting them up for auction.
Celebrities tend to be morons. Society keeps making stupid people famous.
@@peacefuljeffrey zionist that own Hollywood do.
These bikes weren't made for motorcycle guy's, they were made for rich guys who know nothing about motorcycles but wanted to be motorcycle guys.. Look at me!!!
I feel the same way about Lamborghinis.
Guys who are stupid rich indeed. ;)
These bikes were made for show not for go, rich boy would be lucky to get a hundred miles before it broke down.
As one of my motorcycle racing friends used to say 'Wow, that'll look great sitting in a wealthy athlete's garage.'
Exactly. Motorcycle guys aren't willing to take a second job to be able to afford one of those POS's.
THANKS FOR THE RIDE. ENJOYABLE!!!
Man you're nuts. Coming out of Centerville onto 283 has go to be one of the most potholed, bumpy stretches around. At least you didn't go up 30.
You lose $70K on the chopper and then spend $80 getting a spinal column reconstruction treatment, makes perfect sense to me 😂
😂😂😂😂 facts!
Yeah or maybe dead.
This once again proves the phycological aspects of marketing, pure and simple.
@S.p Bean 👍🏻
@S.p Bean IDK some of these builders are true artists. They will build them regardless of the market.
Poseur*
@S.p Bean
👍Yeah, in 2012 I saw a bobber kit in a popular motorcycle parts magazine(who's name I can't remember), and it came with an S&S engine, trans and every other part needed to complete it, except primer and paint, for just over $10,000. They showed the complete bike with NO paint, and it still looked cool as hell.
I hate that term. Poser. Because it dosent mean anything. Its just an attempt to belittle someone or something. You don't have to be some 1% badass. To like a chop. Or a bobber. And choppers are not about speed. Stylin and profiling is more like it. Man just shut up and ride. All this judgement. As for bike builders I like Jessie James bikes. And Indian Larry built some beautiful bikes. The bamboo bike holds a spot in my heart.....RIP Larry.
I really think you can attribute the popularity to Jesse James appearing on Discovery Channel and then OCC just solidified it. And it wasn't because of the choppers for me. I loved the charisma that Jesse James had because it showed his passion for the process. And learning about how it's all done was interesting. And then OCC was great because of the personalities. And I always wanted to see what Paulie would come up with for the project. It was more like art. But I never ever once wanted one of those choppers. And I think most people were like me.
Watching Jesse turn a flat piece of metal in to a tank and fenders was magic. Versus the other guys ordering one from a catalog, butchering it with an angle grinder and welding some pieces back on. WCC definitely started the TV trend, but sadly the fake drama pretenders took over and ran it into the ground.
OCC were ugly asf, some of Jesse James ans Billy Lane's bikes I would ride.
The Yamaha Raider was my first motorcycle and I loved it. This is the first time I’ve ever heard a TH-camr actually talk about it.
Here I am at 2am. Never owned a motorcycle in my life.
I'm on MST. It's 2:08 over here.
You're missing out. Just start on something smaller and cheaper and more economical.
Same
Hahaha same here, after watching some american chopper episodes and now disappointed
2:34am
90% depreciation pretty much sums up this market... finally some clarity and honesty with these show ponies
At $8K it needs another 90% off; Maybe I'd pay $800 for it as a novelty bike, but I'd hate tooling around with those pipes sounding like a giant douche wherever I go. Still, $800 constitutes a giant wad of $20 bills.... maybe I wouldn't. I don't pine for attention and the thing has crap handling and suspension.
WHY, did you buy it if it’s such a bad bike. OBVIOUSLY , you aren’t a real chopper person.
@@Pudgedaddy6 a "real chopper person". You mean "a giant douche on wheels"? Are you the chopper gatekeeper lmfao
@@paulh6591 🤣👊
@@Pudgedaddy6 because he didn't notice it didn't have a speedo on it until he got it home... He knew what he was buying... an excuse to make a video trashing choppers.
For me I'd love to own this bike. I'd love to ride this thing. Sure it would only last about an hour and then I'd put it back in the garage for 6 more months but I'd definitely love it. Choppers were a fad that only exists in a niche community now. My uncle still logs with horses though. I grew up learning to appreciate the hard way, the raw form of the machine, I appreciate the by gone necessity to ignore creature comforts. Then again I have central heat and air conditioning.
your videos are awesome man, super informative thank you
A friend of mine was so enamoured with OCC bikes, he bought one. He rode it for about 3 months and tried to sell it because it was an underpowered POS and he had no clue how brutal riding a rigid frame actually is. As I recall, it took over 2 1/2 years to sell it at a loss.
Didn't Paul Sr. recently file for bankruptcy protection and Jr. asked Wayne Carini to help him sell his (Jr.) car collection because he, like his Dad, was going broke.
Vehicles are almost never a good investment 😂😂
@@chrism4008 I think it´s called "amortization". Everything what has wear and tear is, like you said, very bad investment. UNLESS it´s really a veteran which is in deposit and can in opposite gain in vaule. This is why either estates (empty space, becuse you don´t have to pump money into maintenance like with houses) or precious metals (gold,...).
Things that never happened for 100, Alex.
@@chrism4008 Tell that to Jay Leno....
@@GregScavezze i said almost
OCC never built bikes to go fast, to go on long rides, to be comfortable, or to have fun on. They build chopper shaped billboards that barely function as motorcycles for corporate clients who are only going to use them for static display promotion. There is no reason for them to have a speedo or gauges or even turn signals when they are only meant to be ridden off a trailer and onto a stage.
OCC's Brough Superior bike for Leno at least _looked_ ok. On the teevee anyway. Not sure if he rides it. I'd guess no...at least he hasn't profiled it on his channel.
YES, saw the CAT one in a bed of a off road Mining Dump Truck at ConExpo. In Vegas. It was all just for like you say.
@@rp1645 Just remember, if its not a CAT, its a dog!
@@veiledzorba
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@@rp1645 Meow!
Seems like it would be fun to fix one of these. Add in the neutral light, a speedo, replace the seat with something that has springs, put some bars that swept back a bit more. I'd buy one for about a thousand bucks to try and make it rideable. Wouldn't spend any more than that on a project bike tho.
That little EVO motor tho. I have an 80 on mine. I got a 1995 Harley Road king. Mine needs a lot of work but those motors are SO upgradeable
A "factory" plug-and-play chopper just never had the same allure as the chopper the crusty old biker cobbled together out of various spare parts. OCC was a lifestyle brand and unfortunately for them, life has moved on.
exactly i’ve seen some really cool looking chops that seem like they’re comfortable enough to ride across the country but they’re all modified versions of bikes not full ground up shop builds
I remember watching the show from the beginning. Honestly, their themed bikes always seemed more flash than go.
Sweet! Thanks for the ride.
I always enjoyed watching that Over the Counter Choppers TV show.
As a guy who started riding in the 60’s , that’s what a chopper was. A RIGID frame with no suspension but your tire. You had two inches of foam padded seat at most sitting on the frame as the spring seat was taken off because it was bulky looking.The long extended front forks from the California style spread across America. Easy Rider really pushed that style . With a rigid frame came the rides with buddies that stopped every 30-50 miles to “Have a Beer” as an excuse to get off that back breaker. As I’m an old guy now I think part of my back problems came from riding rigids . Cross country trips were an endurance test and you HAD to RIDE to Sturgis
Not trailer your soft tail like now.
I would suggest that ALL your back promblems came from riding rigids and maybe banging hoe's during all those beer stops. That IMHO is a well lived life!!
I had a mate having a dig at me when I was 35 about riding a rigid still. Something about, "yeah mate, I can piss blood too" 🤣 I'm 63, I don't piss blood but I've got 3 fucked discs in my lower back and 2 in the upper. And no, I can't ride at all now, even with suspension. Plus I've got no right knee. The things you know when you're young. 🤣
Ppl lpl0ll
Story about Back in the day sounds really really stupid
@@youngboomerragevictim8857 no, that's you looking in the mirror.
I'm a retired welder and after watching a couple OCC shows I realized that Paul Sr. was messed up period. When he was running a welding shop he probably had real difficulties keeping employees.
Then I realized they did not fabricate any of the frames themselves; another company did. Paul Jr.
just dreamed bikes up using CAD. Then all they did was assemble them at OCC.
I have never had much interest in choppers but what surprised me here was the prices they were getting for these things. I couldn't even put this thing on the road where I live without spending $1000 on it.
Sounds like maybe you had some false expectations.
My wife also has this problem
That other bike builder ( can’t recall the man’s name ) from California that married some actress, always said that they were assemblers, not builders.
@@chriskolb3105 Jesse James
@@chriskolb3105 JESSE JAMES. THEN THE FOOL CHEATED ON SANDRA BULLOCK
Kit bikes for people who want to look COOL and show off how much money they wasted. I never understood the appeal one bit. I definitely never understood why anyone wanted to watch those jackasses argue all the time. I'm just here to make fun of anyone who pissed away their own money on that ridiculous bullshit... especially the dummies who never even sat on a bike but sported the t-shirts. THAT'S genuinely funny.
Thank you. Sometimes I saw OCC at TV. These weren`t bikes for a long ride through curvy Hills and up and down. No it is fun to see it and not more. Perhaps it is too loud.
I work in automotive in the ECU department and we spend months working and tuning the control systems to the engines to all the sensors etc. When looking how OCC worked I mainly saw them designing and building the frame and just putting in an engine. This seemed so fascinating to that this even was a working product considering we spend alot of time making motorcycles and cars drive comfortably. Well looking at you're video uncovering that their choppers were actually not that great explains alot now
Most of the vehicles these silly boomers "design" are horrible death traps- look no further than the 2011 Reno air race.
I loved that show when it first came out. It was always obvious to me that those bikes are made to be displayed in their client’s corporate headquarters lobby; definitely not for riding.
All show no go, built extravagantly but with little thought on functionality and longevity of riding
Cheap standards and driven by profit.
Yep. Miller (welding machines) even had one built with a trailer (for the welding machine).
Exactly I'm sure the customers that would come in would get them custom built to fit the person's body but a lot of the bikes during that show we're just built to be like display pieces or for charity pieces and things like that a lot of them were so over-the-top most people would not even drive them. Almost like art pieces in a way.
@@jasone3962 Of all the bike builders of that time period, OCC was the lamest. Most of the other guys featured on TV usually made the entire bike custom from the frame up. OCC was well known for having a stock frame they always used and they just welded crap on to it. To the customer: "Oh you were in the army?" To son (usually yelling) "Hey Paulie Jr, lets weld some hand grenades and bullet casings all over this thing."
I am old enough to remember the 1st Chopper craze in the late 60's and early 70's. They were never my taste, because they were uncomfortable to ride, did not handle (I love curvy roads), did not stop and could be found parked almost always in front of a bar, so much so we referred to them as TT bikes, tavern to tavern.
Finally someone who truly understands choppers. You can't pass a bar because your back hurts and you need a drink!
I remember those days. My step-dad used to give me an occasional ride to elementary school on his chopper -with German cross mirrors & a dragon on the gas tank in 1976. Now he'd be arrested for it
I figured these were just static display pieces you take to the nearest bar to attract some easy slag hole.. as soon as you catch them looking, you sest the hook and reel it in
Did he say prayer before getting on the bike?? That's kind of demented but I love it!
I worked at an auto auction all through the 10'sand had many of those choppers inflicted on me and yeah, they were universally awful. They were designed to be looked at, not ridden.
Its probably all china chrome too.there are frame kits ya can buy for less than 2k$ all ya need is a motor
Yes, Sr. said it himself once when riding one out of a trailer..."Don't ride it, just look at it"...
@@bkh5746 no doubt they contracted some company to slam the bikes together overseas with cheaply as possible being the only thought. it was a fake reality tv show ffs
@@bkh5746 that's the one major problem with these bikes, they all had the same damn frame and shape, none of them had a real personality or uniqueness to them other than a color scheme, theme, or a certain gimmick
@@hardkore360 exactly! They were iced up cakes. All off the shelf parts, stock frames, etc. Usually just cut a design into the fenders or welded on a few decorative pieces of tubing.
Useful insight.
Built a hard tail chop in the 90’s and took it round France. Tip of the day - if you want to go distance or touring, don’t take a hard tail.
Afterwards my spine sounded like someone walking over raw macaroni, my arse was numb and everything hurt.
Lesson learned.
RIDING A HARD TAIL IS LIKE RIDING A HORSE. THE TRICK IS TO USE YOUR LEGS LIKE SPRINGS
Just like the mountain bike guys who say all you need is a hardtail. My 58 yo ass begs to differ...😅
Tip of the day - if you want to go distance or touring, don’t take a hard tail.
Your kidneys will thank you too
I've seen a few OCC bikes over the years setup as static displays in the most random collection of locations, like a furniture store in Texas.
I visited their shop in NY during their hay day. It was very large. Way more than they would have ever needed. I recall wondering how they would ever pay for the place. Well, I guess they couldn’t. Really, it was kind of sad to look at as it was obvious that it would not survive, long-term.
70's choppers were real, The bikes at OCC were built by guys who ordered from the internet and real choppers were built by riders who got parts from friends ,shops or junk yards they put their soul into the bikes they built. OCC was there for dollars .
Can't really blame them for juicing rich suckers, that's my kinda brand of the American Dream.
I mean, you only get into business for money hahaa what well is it for
Your right ,I built mine for me and thats why I bought a Harley brand new in the late 70s ,because everyone else was riding Japanese bikes ,I didnt want to be like them ,Damn I hated Disco and hated Punk rock even worse .
That is exactly spot on. Build a bike that fits you. OCC was an entertaining show because of the drama. The bikes were nice to look at but I wouldn't want one. I'm still riding an old Harley that is set up for me. People on here complaining about horse power. Well riding a Harley is more than going stupid fast while sounding like a weed whacker without a muffler. It's about a feeling, a love for a bike that is easily modified to fit the rider. So those who bad mouth Harleys you just don't get it or you can't afford one so to justify and save face you talk about how you don't have one because they are junk. I've been riding for a very long time and I've heard it all.
@@TheSeanocasey I have been riding my harley over 40 years. It is my every day transportation and completely reliable. I see a lot of old harleys like mine on the road. I NEVER see and old rice burner out riding and there were a hell of a lot more rice burners sold back then.
Looks like the Bars don't even line up with the Frame when you are in a strait away. These things are truely a solution for a problem that didn't exsist.
YOU SEEN IT TOO LOL
@@321CatboxWA 40 yrs as Aircraft Mechanic/Pilot, this is just CRAP engineering. Good day sir.. heheheh.
It looks like they are twisted to the right like he’s easing in a right turn
Yup, points to the right.
The only thing that impressed me about OCC was Paul Jr making concept themes come to life. Like designing wheels on a computer & then they had a CNC to cut them out of a block of aluminum. They had a lot of fancy tools & knew how to use them.
Personally I like bobbers over choppers.
Without a speedo, how is this legal?
Having ride motorcycle for over 50 years I never liked " choppers" or had the desire to ride one. I always valued function over appearance.
"Everybody's looking at you" I think you just explained why people buy choppers.
They’re looking at you thinking what a fool you look.
I think most people turn around and look to see what is making so much noise 😂
@@xilencered7788 yup
Yep.....kinda like that goofy barb-wire tattoo that everyone used to get and cut every sleeve off all the shirts they own to "show it off".
They have look at me syndrome. Those that have it are all douchebags.
My neighbor bought one of these abominations in 1998 and waited months for it to be built. Over 100k but it has a full suspension system, the one gauge that shows mileage, speed, gear, blinkers and high/low beam. It also has a sensible front fork. He still will never get close to what he paid, but he has a dependable, comfortable and reliable bike he rides every day.
"It's a choppa!"
-Carl, sitting on a scooter
I haven't seen an Orange County Chopper show in many years. One thing that always struck me was how uncomfortable their bikes looked. I don't ride motorcycles, but I can tell the rider is hunched over quite a bit. Makes my back ache just watching them ride. I remember the custom choppers of the 1970s. The handlebars were back far enough that the rider could sit almost straight up. And they had padded sissy bars to lean against. Quite comfortable looking.
glad to see someone honest about it. when i watched the show, i was "I'd never buy one of those" as the camera showed all these last minute tweaks and customization that you could never buy parts for. Plus there was no engineering in it, there was no plan for comfort, shocks, etc. even holding your arms up like that is fun to go a mile for show but after that, it's tiring.
they were not meant to be driven anyway, they were showpieces for companies. That was obvious every time.
Nothing they built was street legal or safe.
For a chopper I think having a starter is weak sauce. The brightness of the headlight should be based on RPM’s
Ehh it was also a chopper. Choppers from the beginning were bikes thrown together to just GO! But as u said, atleast throwing a mesh of different bikes together u could atleast find or replace a part easily.
But for $80,000….I would atleast expect 1. ATLEAST some sort of comfort. Shocks, seat springs, something. 2. An engine with WAY more than a 65 (I think that’s what he said) f’n horsepower motor.
I believe they always started with the Standard frame and mocked up as they called it with the same Engine or Motor if you actually live in the States which I don't.
More dad and son fighting please as I didn't seem to get enough of that crap growing up
I can't count the number of times Paul jr said how "innovative" their sh*t was. Pure garbage!
@martin edwards I bet he still throws stuff around when he gets upset lol
You beautiful eloquent SOB I love you for that.
That plot did get super old
If you buy a chopper, you're not a motorcyclist. Plain and SIMPLE. Emphasis on SIMPLE!
You got some stones for riding that thing in winter my man
I grew up in the 70s and was riding starting at age six. Back then, people would make a concoction of home welded, home engineered mini motorcycles and stick their kids right on them. I know, because I was one of those kids. The whole chopper era reminded me perfectly of those days. Ecclesiastes 7:29.
Perhaps the cast of OCC might have focused on building a better bike rather than all of the Paul Senior/Paul Junior drama.
Just my thoughts. Would never ever consider a bike from OCC. Too much mouth flappin, too little devotion to quality. Rush each bike out of the shop by a tight timeline among all that bitchin. Nope.
Drama show to catch viewers.
@@davidmack4185
7.5 hours huh LoL
This has to be one of the dumbest comments I've heard in a long long time !!!
I guess you feel better now that you got that off your chest but damn that was stupid .
How the hell did you even come up w those numbers ??
7.5 LMAO and 5 hours wow , you sure are goofy
@@dewalt4594 congratulations, this is absolutely the dumbest reply I've read so far this year. I'm not even gonna try to correct it, gonna let this joke speak for itself.
@@dewalt4594 loop
Just like Jesse James said, those OCC guys are nothing but cake decorators.
OCC were nothing more than bolt-on hacks. There were some good guys that worked there - Vinny, Rick and Cody, but they all moved on to other gigs.
Jesse's bikes are not comfortable or safe to ride either
Jessie was more of a gun guy not a chopper guy
Well I mean what he also failed to explain was that was the point of OCC, they built show pieces not bikes for riders, I’m sure if they wanted to they could have made real bikes but then nobody would have watched the show, real bikes are not flashy enough for TV like that, you need something that looks almost movie like and over the top.
He should have won that build off, Vinny was the only Wrench at OCC
You turned left at the light and I knew what part of which state you're in. The landscape seemed very familiar. Then you passed the barn across from the food plant, and i knew precisely where you were. I used to pick up there all the time headed to their warehouse east almost in the next state. Back 10 years already. Keeping it vague assuming you don't want uninvited guests.
There's a guy over near the other power plant with a Pagoda as a logo that has a channel. i think hes mostly into building rat rods and light restoration of classic cars. Don't know if yous ever crossed paths being kinda close. Well, close for a truck driver. I guess he is over an hour from you.
On a 0-60 pull you need a Sportbike along side you. At about 60 the Sportbike is starting to think about shifting out of first gear. Second gear, well that exceeds the choppers top end. 😎
BTW, years go the Discovery Channel had a show lined up with bike fabricator . However the fabricator backed out of the deal when filming was about to begin, Someone then told them there might be this fabricator in in orange County NY that might be interested in doing it.
In the end, it worked out better than their wildest dreams as it it became a reality show about a dysfunctional family.
Pair of idiots?
Seems like a chopper built in a shop where people spent more time yelling at each other than building bikes.
And that's exactly what happened
The bike is traumatized now
But only in front of a camera.
Yeah, sometimes after a night of drugs, drinking and dungeon busting, you wake up crabby and sore and broken. So beat the dog, snake the ol' lady's purse and snake off to work. So a row of customer bikes get ruined.
@@oscarb9139 and you get "reality" tell-a-vision
The bike is on a softail frame, so put a monoshock underneath the seat or put some springs on the seat. Install a more powerful engine and change out the handlebars. The biggest problem I have with choppers is the open primary. If you wear jeans you have to be careful.
Huh? In a softail frame??
You could OR you could just buy a functional bike for way less.
Awesome truth-telling here. Thank you.
Man, I don’t even ride motorcycles, own a motorcycle, or intend to buy one but just came here through the rabbit hole nature of TH-cam. I’m impressed by this guys’ reviews honestly. Just look how he comports himself throughout. It’s refreshing to see this take and level of skill shown in the video. Congratulations all the way around. 10 out of 10.
Anyone who rides a bike in the winter is straight Jackass material.
Does that make sense to you?
Cold pavement?
Cold rubber?
Sliddy, Sliddy?
@@techparkRPI you should go back to your safe space quickly then.
comports? w u t
@@techparkRPI so you don’t drive your car in the winter? Cold, rubber, cold pavement?🤦♀️
When Jr beat his father and Jesse James in the Biker Build Off, Jesse was one of the first people to point out that at least his bikes can be driven. OCC and Jr bikes were all show.
Sounds like something JJ would say. Sour grapes 😆 JJ and Sr. were d-bags. Jr. seemed like a good dude.
@@andyleo8418 Jesse is exactly right and is one of the ONLY bike builders who is an actual metal fabricator. OCC was part gatherers who thru shit against the wall and see what happens.
@@mytruthslays1303 Jesse and Jr. are talented fabricators. Jr definitely excelled in artistry and design. Jesse off camera was a bit of an a-hole. Jr always seemed humble and wanted to perfect his craft. Sr was just a loud mouth jerk.
Cake decorators
That was nothing more than a popularity contest. Someone would actually want to ride one of Jesse’s bikes. Paul’s bikes look like yard art stolen from a mumble rappers house.
If you’re ever in central Ohio I’d love to go ride the best motorcycle ever made with you. The Honda Monkey. Lol. I can’t help it, I’ve owned A LOT of bikes, but my 2019 Monkey always puts a smile on my face.
This is pretty cool. I have never shot cinematic footage with motorcycles but would love to. Maybe one day we could meet and make that happen.
When I watched Jesse James on one build off , he cut OCC up into little pieces , sitting right next to them he said their bikes were for show only , they were not rideable . He was right . I like Indian Larry's rake , not crazy but just right. RIP Indian Larry. 👍
I watched that too it was hilarious and epic
Jesse is a real one tbh
He's a legitimately talented fabricator and engineer.
I love his old show, Monster Garage. It was crazy to see the wild sh%t they'd build every week. Yeah, I understand that part of MG was scripted, but the builds are still impressive.
I remember Indian Larry saying I make bikes to take you across the country not from your house down the street and back!!!😅
I also remember a build where Jr's bike was ridden by his crew all the way from NY to Las Vegas and JJ could not get his bike to start.
I love the addition of the belt sander for your foot. Just really some excellent attention to detail
I know right. I think belt driven motorcycles are crazy awkward and dangerous. After getting off my r6 or my fz09 to ride one of my friends bike I always find myself trying to put my feet back and if I did that on this bike I would be fukd in a heartbeat.
You are kind of showing your lack of knowledge of custom motorcycles with this comment. That "belt sander" is called an "open primary" as opposed to a fully enclosed primary drive. The primary drive connects the output of the engine crankshaft to the input of the transmission. Harley motors' original designs have a chain-drive primary under a cover in an oil bath that slowly circulates clean oil into the primary from the sump, usually with 2 chains side-by-side and some sort of chain tensioner. Custom/chopper guys seem to think these open primary belt drives are somehow "tough" looking. When you change to a belt drive over the original chain drive, you get a bit smoother drive from the power-train. Not noticeable with bikes with a rear suspension, but more noticeable with rigid frame bikes (very stupid to ride on the street IMO). But the belts get hot and if you enclose them for safety, the belt can get too hot and fail. So they need either LOTS of ventilation holes or no cover at all. As used in a chopper, it's done ONLY for looks and to make the motorcycle LESS comfortable because your left leg has to go WAY OUT THERE to keep your ankle out of the belt.
Agreed, as the Primary should have a cover, but considering who made it and the customer's wishes safety was just not a priority...
@@greetings8843 You are kind of showing your lack of comprehending a sarcastic joke. Yes, obviously, it is a belt drive not a belt sander. Yes, it should be ventilated. Doesn't mean it should be fully exposed right under your foot. That's terrible design.
@@greetings8843 you are kind of showing your lack of social skills. im guessing you're the guy that everyone avoids talking to in the breakroom because you're sooooo much smarter than everyone else.
2:00 Peter Fonder, Easy Rider said most uncomfortable ride you'd never ride long distance
I could smell the air on this ride. Love it.
OCC was overrated from day 1.
It was more about destruction and endless arguments
I think y’all fail to relize theses things were built for show pieces for big companies and rich people nobody rode these things hardly they weren’t built to be daily riden high quality bikes. They were built for the same reason people buy harleys they are mostly for show and the rest of the time there broke down lol. I hate these types of bike but even I can appreciate the art of them.
@@aceneto9386 my 81 shovel still gets round daily.
Three 40min episodes to build one bike that is the same as all the other bikes with different paint... hard pass
I loved the show when it was one. But that's because I was in a strict home that wouldn't let me have a motorcycle. So I ate slept and breathed any glimpse of the promised land. Looking back at it now? It was tasteless. It had it's time, and I'm kinda glad it's over
Makes you respect some of the old guys like Indian Larry even more.
Indian Larry made masterpieces. His bike were phenomenal.
Then l guess l was one of the old guys, l built my first chopper in 1967 and rode in a patch club for 20 years.
Most can't even imagine the fun we had.
I'm still ridin.
Really miss Indian Larry.
Yep he was amazing. The chain bike was unreal
Maybe so yup
I have more respect for those that did it on their own
To see the look in the eyes as the story of a bro’s bike build is told .....
You can’t ever pay another to put you in the build
It used to aggravate me to the point I'd be throwing things at the screen, the way they just stuck metal together in whatever way "looked awesome" without any consideration to how it would handle. I mean, if you look you can find information about rake angles and shock damping and spring constants... or you can do what these guys did and just make it look awesome.
Another thing you can easily look up is the paint mixing codes for Army woodland camouflage, so it doesn't end up looking like a mix of NATO and Soviet camo.
If that was my bike, I would be making a lot of changes to it. First thing would be to have a custom seat made for it that has springs in it, like the seats on an old rigid Harley-Davidson. One of those big spring seats would look cool and be a bit more comfortable.
“It’s was valued at $80K.”
You can put a price tag on art, doesn’t mean it’s art or worth it.
And just like a lot of art, these cycles are just money laundering operations
@@laurap3244 so they're a front for an illegal operation?
This is true, this is why only the very rich can afford to "play games" in the art or collectibles "market". If YOU want to get RICH, or become richER, then one has absolutely NO BUSINESS playing with or "investing" in such HIGHLY VOLATILE "stocks".😐
A guy duct taped a banana to a wall, called it art and sold it for a big pile of cash
@@weswolever7477 Well if that guy was, say, "Pablo Picasso" or "Andy Warhol" then that is understandable. If that guy was named "Joe Schmoe", then depending on how tall that pile of cash was, I would call him a genius, or one hell of a "Used Car Salesman"😂😂😂😂
When he finally paid off the $$70,000.he realized that his ex wife was right about not buying it .
That's a bit too close to home for many :(
Only a guy with life experience could write that. Been there done that. Unfortunately, some of us have to learn the hard way.
Dude that's so LOL.
some of us have to learn the hard way.
The funniest episodes was whe they would try driving to bike to like a competition or showcase and the bike would have a malfunction and for some reason it would be filmed in later seasons they would just trailer the bikes everywhere.
I had a mate who started riding on a Chipper ! The smaller version of the Chopper ..... It was made by Raleigh !! They were hard tails but were too light on the front end and the 3 speed T bar shifter was a bad design in a sudden stop !!!! My raked XJ900 hardtail shaftie could run 1 pint ahead with my mates gsxr750 street fighter before cbx 1000 plus gs1000 and about 10 others came into earshot at the local 😂😂 Happy times ❤
corporal punishment was the perfect name for this atrocity. punished the wallet to buy, punishes the spine to ride, punishes your dignity to be seen on, and punishes your ego as everyone that looks at you knows you are compensating....i have done custom stuff for years. i don't care what platform, it has to be functional for the purpose built. this is great for a garage queen!!!
That actually makes sence although I like there bike I see it as art kinda like some of those real uncomfortable cars that look bad ass
People that make compensation jokes ALWAYS have the small one. It's a jealousy thing. Congrats, bud.
Exactly! Every time I hear someone make a compensating joke about someones ride, I think they are the ones compensating. Definitely jealous.
@@boofert.washington2499: Complains about others "compensating" whilst being totally inadequate in all respects. . .
Just seen your post. I couldn't agree more. When he said the front brake takes all he has in his hand to stop w/the front brake ,I thought the bike was grossly substandard. "Choppers" were meant to take the "good" from different bikes and make them a reliable/unique ride. I have met many in the process of their builds, and they always say this or that needs improvement. This bike was just a perdy one, not meant to ride, just show off.
I stopped watching OCC after the 2nd season. I got tired of watching the old man dump on the kid.
Looking back, the Teutul's always seemed more concerned with a chopper in terms of cosmetics rather than functionality. This video only seems to confirm that theory.
They were more concerned with themed bikes corporation’s pay them and build a rolling advertisement
@@lakevapor5182 Absolutely. I used to watch that show a lot, and something that always struck me, but never registered back then, was just how impractical the choppers were. Yeah they looked nice, beautiful sometimes, but unless you rode them in a straight line without making a single turn they were practically useless.
OCC "theme bikes" were definitely more art pieces than daily drivers.
I mean your not wrong, they were basically designers and not interested in functionality. Most people who buy their bikes probably park them in their polished concrete garages with fancy lights shined at them as show pieces. People who buy their bikes have “fu€k you” money.
The bikes are more like themed art than they are a true bike.
Needs a long spring seat with lots of padding and lip at the rear also raked bars.
But chaging it woupd cost and drop money
Miami Ink was on during the same time, and look what happened there, lol Got to love those fads.
I feel like most people knew this 20 years ago watching them build those things.
OCC lost my interest with the whole "build it in three weeks" thing.
Sorry, but if I'm going to drop the price of a house on a bike, I want the builder to take their time, and make sure everything is right, BEFORE it leaves their shop, and a less than 30 day turn around is not enough time to pull that off. Save that for the Biker Build Off shows.
Most who went to OCC were turned down by West Coast Choppers after telling Jesse they want it in 6 weeks.
WCC, then, and now, you are looking at a year, for a reason. Same with Bourgett in AZ, and Ness. Their bikes didn't need to get finished after delivery.
As to buying one, never saw the point. Factory gets you in the wind for less, and holds it's value better, because you don't have to look for that one buyer that wants what you speced out, and has to match your height to safely ride it. Same with custom paint jobs. What one rider finds cool, and loves, figure at least 99 are going to be turned off by it, and they will hit the price, with the cost of a repaint.
That's why my 93 Heritage got pretty much factory paint, and the only mods on it were for touring (1640 Screamin Eagle kit, Baker 6 speed, Mustang seats), after the rebuild in 2002, so I could sell it to pretty much anyone, when the time came. (Bought as a basket case, rebuilt over the winter of 01 into 02, them mom got sick. Kidney failure. Sold it to cover the medical bills, and do not regret it. Told her it was nothing but metal, plastic, glass, and paint. All which I can replace. Can't replace her.)
@@kevinfox500 It's unfortunate you had to sell it to pay medical bills. If you lived in a Truly Free Country ... like Canada, you'd have your good health and this motorbike. And NO .... It's NOT Socialism.
lmao, spot on
@@SnowTiger45 Hell, it's only property, and the buyer is pretty much family anyway.
As to the health care on the other side of the lake (live on the south shore of Erie), look at the sin taxes where you live, as that is what pays that bill. That and the healthcare cue, like in the UK.
Yeah, it's free, but it's not always soon enough getting in, to save the patient.
Both had almost full coverage as dad isna retired marine, so he had Champus and the VA, which extended to her, as well as coverage through his job. About 8 percent was out of pocket, but champus is a reimbursement cocerage, pay first, then get it back. No VA center closer than an hour, so travel also needs to be taken onto account. And then, veterans get priority over their family members there, so again, long trip, long wait, and we'll get to you when we can.
Personally, I'd rather pay and get treatment sooner, than not pay, and die waiting.
Not a slam on your country. Visited many times over the last 30 years, and loved it. Drove for a limo company out of Buffalo NY for 15 years, and did several trips into Ontario in that time and since. Been out to BC to hunt and fish with my wife a few times as well. Your country is beautiful.
This guy- WA WA WA WA WA cry baby. Just another 20 something that thinks bIDEN is a GOD
60’s, 70’s style choppers are coming back but these “choppers” from the 2000’s I totally think are dead
Ask any old Hells Angel how to build a bike.
@@JamesSmith-ym3hc what because he is in an mc he can build a bike??
I've been planning an old school, 70's chopper build. I'm so excited. But you wouldn't catch me dead on one of these things
It was the wide tire Era of choppers, I like the fact they brought attention to the old school choppers. But never cared for 300s out rear.
@@MrMichaelConstantine if he's in an MC he better know at least the basics
I was watching a video from a Chopper Drag Magazine channel and they visited Jay Leno to talk about his bike collection and they asked him about the bike OCC built for them. It was a copy of a Brough Superior and omg Jay hated it and even mentioned that it broke down and left him stranded on the side of the road. He went on to say they built bikes to look at not to ride. Watching the show I realized the bikes they built for the show were just for companies to display but I'm curious about the bikes they sold to their other customers who wanted to ride.
The Chopper was supposed to be basic, like the Cafe racer it was designed to go from bar to bar in short fast hops. I still love these bikes and for 8k I'd probably buy one just for local use not for long rides though I like my back the way it is. Secondly, there's a reason why most people don't ride rigids anymore.
Definitely for riding from the house to the local watering hole, or bike night
still doesn't make any sense, you could buy a sports bike and still be far faster than any chopper and have a bike that useable in a corner
When he said "it puts out ....
_62 horsepower"_
I couldn't help it, I cracked up 😂😂!
It's a chopper scooter
Yes. I was expecting him to say 80, at least.🤣
With 62 hp you can go around 140+mph. It’s a motorcycle not a car.
@@rasta6603 "140+mph". But that's only if you drove it off a cliff, right??
@@internationalmanofmystery4285 really depends on gearing. That’s on the high end for sure though. That thing prolly can only go like 100-115 the way it’s set up.
After riding bikes since 1967 I found that the single most important bike instrument is the neutral light.
After the brakes of course
Amen
I think it's the engine
Back in the 70's I had a Honda 350/4 full dress bike that I rode about 3 miles back and forth to work. One day on the way home from work I stopped by my credit union and when I came back out my bike wouldn't start so of course I tried to figure out why. After squatting down and taking the side cover off and checking fuses the fuel and blah blah blah I stood up looked over and realized I had bumped the kill switch but not fully so it wasn't that I noticed it right away. Felt like kicking my self when I moved maybe a 1/64 of an inch and it started right up. Lesson learned and of course anytime after that it was the first thing I checked but good to know how well it worked.
I have a drz 400 with NO neutral light. no problemo whatsoever 🤷🏻♂️
Paul Sr. sold the OCC building in Newburgh, NY and moved. That building was built by his older son who took over Orange County Steel. Mikey got away from doing bikes and focused on his painting which he got the USMA West Point to sell in their exchange. and Paul Jr. has had his ups and downs ever since he got into the business with his dad. Vinnie left OCC but hooked backup with Paul Jr after his business didn't do so well.. The one who is doing well and staying out of the limelight is Pauls older son.. Oh just so you know, I know Paul Sr. Paul jr. and Mikey and lived down the road from them
Buddy of mine has an Ironhorse chopper, looks great. Ridgid frame
I remember a story Jay Leno told about his OCC chopper. While riding on a freeway in L.A. the bike suddenly lost all power. Many hours later his team found that the ignition went through the tail light and when the light blew the motorcycle quit running.
Crackup.
that will ensure you're street legal before heading out...
You know you're giving up comfort and that the performance won't match the price, but you'd at least figure that for the price it would be built properly.
@@RFXCasey I mean..is it their fault Disovery gave them a show and that they became hugely popular back then? They just made motorcycles in relative obscurity until reality television came into their garage and commodified the entire operation.
@user name I found a post that gives a better explanation. "Jay Leno purchased a bike from the Orange County Store and while riding on the freeway around L A the bike stopped and refused to restart. The problem was that OCC wired the bike into the light circuit. The rear tail light bulb burned out and killed the ignition circuit at the same time. Needless to say that Jay Leno who is very smart about bikes, cars, trucks told OCC how stupid the wiring circuit was. A $1.00 bulb stopped a $100,000 bike from running down the highway."
OCC produced nothing but “Lawn Art”. A Custom Motorcycle to be seen, not ridden.
They were almost always commissioned showpieces. Back when the show was airing the only one I remember them actually enjoying the ride on was the Caterpillar commission, that had its proportions changed a lot for a more upright posture and shorter wheelbase than their other bikes.
Agreed.
They did make “production” bike that weren’t commissioned custom pieces.
They had frames that you could build off of as well.
If at least it looked good enough to put on your lawn hehe
Not even that appealing the eye....🤷🏻♂️
We watched them being built, that was warning enough!
I remember out on a bike ride around Luss in Scotland with the bike club, the only guy who couldn't get round the corners was the Harley. He had to dismount and push it round the bends. He took some shit!