'Titanic' director James Cameron discusses 'catastrophic implosion' of Titan sub
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- "I'm struck by the similarity of the Titanic disaster itself, where the captain was repeatedly warned about ice ahead of his ship and yet he steamed at full speed into an ice field," 'Titanic' director James Cameron tells ABC News. abc7ne.ws/44bvqIc
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“History Doesn't Repeat Itself, but It Often Rhymes” - Mark Twain
Perfect quote! In the end… They got the true titanic experience
Oceangate, the company that created the sub and the underwater tour, could still be held liable under the law, no matter how many waivers a person signs, as we learned in law school, as follows: a. No matter what waivers or legal documents one signs, one never waives away "gross negligence". If one can show, in a Court of Law, that Oceangate was "grossly negligent", Oceangate can be found liable, under Tort Law, including for wrongful death (civil liability), and, b. The legal theory of "Strict Liability", under Tort Law, may apply as it does with airlines, all air travel and activities considered "ultrahazardous" (civil liability).
It was complete recklessness all due to cutting corners financially, because why else would he go so blatantly headlong into the manufacturing of the sub.
Not only that they were warned by the university of Washington, the sub community and their own engineer back in 2018.
Indeed. Another company claiming the reason they don't want to hire the expensive experts is because they're old white and uninspiring. When really they're just saving money by employing youngsters.
Gotta make money somehow with the expensive trip.
This is a sad time but im glad James isn't pulling any punches here
carbon fibre was a bad choice, after repeated exposure to such intense crushing forces the carbon fibre would have developed tiny micro cracks that would have become worse with each dive, eventually after the material was weakened enough it would have imploded, it's a gamble as to how many times this sub was good for, was it the 5th time down or the 10th time that will implode the sub, it was an arrogant assumption to you know better than all the other experts !!!
James Cameron stands above all others speaking about this tragedy. Brilliant, original, thought provoking comments and insights.
Right? I was on the edge of my seat waiting for the King of the World to weigh in.
The mother ship (Polar Prince) heard the Titan go boom when they lost contact, then waited 7 hours to call the Coastguard.
Now they will try and blame the rescue ships, like they did with Titanic.
If you hear an implosion under the deep sea, I don't think you could do much to save them. More when Is a small ship.
Boom is too late
How would they blame the rescue ships if rescue ships came after implosion when people got turned into sandwiches.
The rare case where a movie maker/entertainment industry person’s voice/opinion mattered to an extent
the camparisons between these two disasters, on the same site! is incredible.
Thanks Cameron, and to Ballard chilling there in the back..
James just said what ALL of us are thinking but are too cowardly to say. We have all had this thought since day one. He is stating reality and science in a time where people get angry for stating reality and science. The owner of this company is not a hero in death AT ALL. For those of you who say what he said was too soon, I disagree due to the times we are living in: Reality and science don’t care about your feelings and your feelings should never impede reality and science. James isn’t the guy to lie to you so your feeling don’t get hurt because he stated it in reality and science. The world must stop denying reality and science or we will all end up like the titan.
The CEO was reckless and gambled with everyone's life, and he lost.
@allytrudie864 I see what you are saying, but I think the true reality is more complicated, unfortunately. That's because there are two different types of science: Science and $cience. And in a way, this submersible accident has illustrated the difficulty for many people in distinguishing between the two. For starters, this OceanGate outfit was selling itself to its billionaire clientele as cutting edge Science using carbon-fiber that is 10X times stronger than steel, but it was really $cience cutting financial corners using unproven technology that was cheaper to fabricate in conjunction with a legal loophole that didn't require safety certification (Science) out in international waters. In addition, OceanGate was saying they were too cutting edge and that the certification outfits weren't up to speed on their Science, but the reality was OceanGate was intentionally skirting numerous costly safety issues ($cience), including even hiring 20-somethings because they won't ask questions and do what their told, rather than experienced 50-somethings who brought safety issues up previously, and one was even sued in order to prevent the loss of money, as this outfit charged a quarter mill $ per ticket... Anyway, true reality mirrors this same submersible situation, as Science and $cience in the real world are really, really hard to tell apart, as many have realized in these interesting times.
I haven’t seen anything anyway claiming the CEO a hero 🤔 I thought everyone was agreeing he was willfully ignorant and just cost 4 innocent people their lives.
Sums it up perfectly, I would add that I don't know why the media took the public down this morbid rabbit hole based on the untested theory that they had a 96 hour window of oxygen when the diving community knew they were gone on Sunday. The submersible started descending too fast and when they lost communications they heard a loud noise. Why they spent all week trying to convince people that there was hope is beyond disturbing.
@@southerncross5360 It's pretty wild how the media blitz around this took on a life of its own. I had not heard about the loud noise, only the loss of communication accompanied by previous accounts about how this happened frequently. Plus there were even reports of periodic banging noises every half hour, which were totally untrue/wrong... Perhaps this was all a big smoke-and-mirrors distraction from some other particular news scandal successfully lost amid all the media chaos, who knows???
Amazing how James seems very knowledgeable about this. It’s not just the title of director but what’s behind and how much he knows and has studied. 👏
The guy is more than a filmmaker. He is a genuine explorer and engineer. He's always an incredible artist. The guy is a professional in every field he's interested in. I'm interested in cars, aircraft, astronomy, and silicon computer chips, but I'm only a professional in one of them. This guy becomes a genuine pro at everything he does.
@@ejkk9513He is a multi-talented individual whose technical knowledge is impeccable. Don't forget that he was a VFX expert before he became known as a director.
James is a ocean lover first, film maker second. Do you know the reason why he filmed
The titanic? So that he can gather the budget to explore the sunken titanic. The film is just a bonus 😂.
Watching his Documentary on Challenger Deep is enlightening. The Man is indeed an expert.
He has actually built submersibles to go into the challenger deep. He knows what he’s talking about.
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A one way death ride in a jimmy rigged jalopy for the bargain price of $250K
Feels like I can listen hours James Cameron talk
his name is james cameron, the bravest pioneer
My anxiety was so high I said I was never going into the ocean again period. However now I think I’d def go see titanic with this guy 😂 why is he so comforting in his knowledge.
There is absolutely a future in this endeavor and it pains me that in the CEO's quest to open the deep to others that he may have caused immense damage to the future of the industry. I'm just a scuba diver at the moment, but I have been so drawn to these submersibles and this whole situation has just been painful between the loss of life and potentially the loss of enthusiasm for exploring the near unknown. I love space exploration, but it's almost criminal to me to prioritize space over our oceans.
but is he marriage material?
@@One--Up not for me, I’m already married! Seems like he’s married too though, so he was marriage material for his wife!
@@winkydinker8160, he was married to Linda Hamilton.
Struth Jim's been 33 times and 3 times deeper then 12000 feet and came back every time . His subs was certified and titanium steel etc not a sardine can like this thing
He was in a f15 the others in a 1914 plane
why people going near that cursed ship is beyond me
Docens of people die trying to take a selfie on risky places every summer...
Darwin
Cursed ship ?
James Cameron repping the old school THOR jersey
The Titan’s novel frame material was unquestionably weakened by its repeated deep submergence diving. ✔️
It was perfect timing for James Cameron and Robert Ballard to comment after the crew's fate was revealed.
"The Abyss" absolutely terrified me about the ocean's dangers. And if you don't know the story behind the cast & crew's perils during production of "The Abyss"... you should really check it out. Harrowing stuff.
thanks for the recommendation. In need of some good old movies
S A M E
I liked the movie but didn't know the back story.
Ed Harris even refuses to talk about the experience during interviews
@@l.g.brandon4294ame. I’ll be looking into the backstory now!
Dude, did you hear what James Cameron just said?! He wasn't even listening at the end. I can't imagine anything more horrifying. They knew they were in trouble.
That's crazy. Wow
That alarm may have been seconds or less before. When carbon fiber fails it shatters more or less. Steel stretches (yields) when it fails. You can find a carbon fiber driveshaft failure on YT pretty easy. Just to get a idea of how it fails.
But for sure would have been terrifying, if even only for a moment.
Yeah, I heard that, and no one else has revealed that information as far as I’ve heard. The mother ship apparently knew all along about the implosion if they revealed that much to their community.
@@pranc236he just said they understand it to believe they were dropping their descend weights in an effort to resurface...so they knew they were in trouble and can only imagine the onset of panic from then on until the inevitable happened.
And what’s worse: the young man on board was afraid and didn’t want to go. This is according to his mother. He only went for his father. How deeply devastating is that? I can relate so much to him 😔
Despite whether it was safe or not may they all rest in eternal peace my condolences go to their poor heartbroken families ❤❤❤❤❤
Yep my first guess was the implosion. But im not surprised when I learned how this submersible was made. Unfortunately the ceos arrogance cost him his life along with a few others and its just sad.
he has a hard time trying not to say they were stupid af. They wanted titanic experience and they got it lmao 1:54
So basically what’s he’s saying is….the sub they went on was cheap, tacky and reckless. The one he went on is much better and should have been the one used for the tourists
the DeepSea Challenger only has room for one person. that is also by design to maximize safety. it's not for tourism
Sorry but Captain Smith actually did heed the warnings and Titanic deviated further south into what were normally safe waters for the North route. What didn't seem to happen was the warnings that the ice field was unusually heavy and extended further south didn't seem to make it to the bridge or the Captain's attention.
To say that he didn't pay attention is just wrong and does a disservice to the memory of the man.
He did receive multiple warnings but his operator disregarded the one from the SS California, stating they were stopped and surrounded by ice. "Shut up, I'm busy" ie thank you but we are disregarding because we have heard this report already. They thought it was a repeat warning. And while he diverted, he still maintained speed, did he not? Plus he was a captain of many years. He knew about cold water mirages and yet steamed on ahead on a moonless night.
@@The1Music2MyEars you can argue that he didn't heed the warnings enough but James Cameron is saying he ignored all warnings and did nothing. This is simply factually incorrect.
Given that he had moved the route further south him not lowering speed is not too surprising - he felt he had moved the ship enough and was tragically wrong.
@@philipbanks7730he should have just stopped
@@kalebhofer9866 You are talking with the benefit of hindsight. Multiple ships were traversing the same route and didn't stop.This is why the Carpathia was able to reach the stricken Titanic within an hour and a half. I believe exactly one ship did stop and that was one of the warnings Captain Smith didn't get.
Given that the Titanic was a mail steamer too (RMS being Royal Mail Ship) then time is a factor because it was expected that these ships would arrive to a very tight schedule.
Add to it the expectation that the design of the ship was sufficiently robust that it was impossible to cause enough damage to sink her. It sums up to Captain Smith being entirely reasonable in his decision making even as he was wrong.
The sad thing is if the lookouts hadn't noticed the iceburg at all then the chances were she would have rammed straight into it and likely only flooded two or three forward compartments - which was survivable for the ship as a whole.
No, it was the wireless operator who replied “shut up” they were working Cape Race and sending off passenger telegrams which was their job. What they were employed to do by Marconi!
When you go with no fear at all you go quickly.
People complain about Regulations & Certifications, but without them we would have many more of these disasters. In stocktons video pitch he was plain proud of being able to avoid being certified. He had to know about the weakness of carbon fiber exposed to salt water. As a pilot, he had to no the importance of fail safe back ups. When it comes to consumer safety there should be no boundrys that exempt private businesses from complying to safety standards.
They got liquefied instantaneously
They had to cut all corners when they were charging $250,000 a person...what morons and negligent criminals
Rich arrogant man repeats same mistake as a different rich arrogant man who also thought he could easily outmaneuver the might of the ocean with his shorted sighted ingenuity.
So they even had warnings about their deaths. You can't make horror movies to match this terror. You lack the words to describe it. Absolute hubris, absolute terror.
He's already on the movie, isn't he?
James Cameron with the old school THOR jersey. Legendary
Stockton Rush was not a groundbreaking technological wonder with this sub as his Friend Fred may try to apply. He was a Reckless endangerment to not only his self but anyone who bought the pitch of his ego. What a Muppet.
I had never quite listened to the titanic story…. At night, no moon, full speed, with repeated warnings of ice
🎵”His name is Jaaaaaaames Camerooooooon, the bravest pioneer”🎵
I was thinking what would James Cameron say about all these. He really said it the right, smart ways. I’ve read most people saying it was an implosion, turns out they were right.
Considering the plot of James Cameron's movie, did he hear a mysterious knocking sound near the wreck before this?
🎶His name is James Cameron, the greatest Pioneer 🎶
Wow, James Cameron should have designed the Oceangate.
You mean the Titan. Oceangate is just the company's name. I doubt he would have agreed to work with that clown of a CEO they had.
Even though i have the most sincerest sympathy for the 5 passengers on this doomed submersible they knew what they were getting involved in before they went. Know one should've been allowed to visit the titanic ship wreck. It's just not worth the risks
Carbon fiber is a new wonder material it wasn't the reason it failed it had so many designed flaws
My only sympathy goes to the teenager. He was the only one that was there under parental pressure.
The CEO is a murderer. The pilot should have known better. The 3 passengers didn't know enough to understand what they DIDN'T know. They couldn't have given informed consent. The tragic Hubris of the CEO... unbelievable.
@@claytondennis8034 I'm not an expert but the main structure like no extra lawyers to reinforcement around them and no extra layers of protection asking for a disaster happened even submarines are reinforced with extra layers and they don't dive that deep
@@claytondennis8034 The CEO is a murderer, you're right. He even had professionals working for him that he fired after they warned it wouldn't make the trip. The view glass was only made for 1500m and the company that made it said it wouldn't survive the depth. The company that made the glass said they could make it stronger but Ocean Gate didn't want to spend the extra money. They cut so many corners, fired professionals, and bought the cheapest equipment. It was doomed from the start.
Thankyou James Cameron. A straightforward logical explanation thst we can all understand.
This was a tragic accident totally preventable like the sinking of the titanic but men's ego and determination to prove others wrong was the cause of both accidents..ironically ... My thoughts are with the families R.I.P to the dead of both accidents ...but let's learn from this people .... let's learn to listen to others before plowing ahead
Safety 🦺🛟 first ...
Clearly miscalculated the science of the matter..
They were instantly crushed down to the size of a pin head. Very tragic indeed
James Cameron for president,I approve this message
Stockton had a slick way of presenting his justification for not following expert advice. Ego/midlife crisis along with trust fund mentality and being "woke" equals not trustworthy.
I said 2 days ago we need to call james Cameron! And rolex both have been to titanic a million times!
" dropped their ascent weights "
With that kind of pressure, to little to late
I want to know what Ja Rule’s thoughts are on this terrible tragedy
😂😂😂stop it!
The rapper ? 😂😂🤔
🤣😭💀
LOL! I just spit out my coffee!
Asking James Cameron about a submarine is like asking George Lucas about a space ship.
Let's be honest there was many many many many more flights in between those times than there were and are submergents so if we're going to look at the amount of catastrophes and compare them, that's not a fair comparison we need to look at numbers. That being said, nothing great comes without making mistakes, literally nothing. But you don't bring passengers along for your deadly experiment and charge them
Also, the Titanic was not an experiment there had been many many more ships and they are on top of the sea
I have a undergraduate degree in design engineering and I feel extremely inspired by James Cameron thoughts about deep diving and underwater exploration if I were to build my own underwater sub to such depths!.
God , carbon fiber with 3xx bar??? ,
Very sad with the customers
Very respect James, his knowledgeables is very good and definetyly he concern safety first! , 3 years with simulations.
James Cameron doesn’t do what James Cameron does for James Cameron…James Cameron does what James Cameron does because James Cameron is James Cameron.
They honestly need to gather up a team of the smartest scientists and build a durable sub that’ll successfully make it down there without imploding incase of another emergency they need to start mapping out our entire ocean floor as well
Who will pay for this? US science budget has been pretty much gutted for 20 years. Only the US military has money to do anything.
This sub wouldnt withstand the pressure of my hair let along the deep sea ocean.
Lol… not that exclusive… he’s talking on many platforms
Can’t believe a carbon fiber toilet paper roll failed at the bottom of the ocean.
His name is actually stockton rush?
Totally agree with James Cameron
I have no respect for this man running this business and lack of accountability for the people who he took. Just sad. Seems like he was jealous of those who were on the titanic. Sad that he brought those people
"one button. that's all she needs." also my rice cooker
This event goes deeper. Get your foil hats on people.
Even if it was structurally sound, they literally had NO GPS WHICH MEANS THEY DIDN’T AUTONOMOUSLY KNOW WHERE THEY WERE AT ANY 👏🏽 GIVEN 👏🏽 TIME 👏🏽
I have to admit that I was pretty dismissive of Mr. Cameron's dive to the Marianas Trench. Rich guy does rich guy things.
But he designed the sub, he did his homework, he endured the rigorous training, he made sure that sub was safe, and the fact that he went down to the deepest sea in the world and came back to tell the tale is proof of these.
So he knew very quickly that the Titan was lost when comms and transponder were lost simultaneously. His explanation elsewhere about why an untested composite hull was a terrible idea, why avoiding certification the way the CEO did was horrifically irresponsible, has given me a huge amount of respect for Mr. Cameron.
The skipper of the Titan, however, did rich guy things like the incompetent middle manager he was, and took 4 lives with him to Davey Jones' Locker, one of them a 19-year-old who otherwise would have his whole life ahead of him. History will not be kind to him, and rightfully so.
Just imagine the periodic cracking noises, echoing in the darkness down there... For a time they intensify, barely, but still enough to make your heart drop not knowing, if with the next noise two miles of ocean won't come down on your head.. dog tags..All that's left from your deep ocean tin can, are mere dog tags in the bottom of the abyss.
Hasbeen needs another 15.
Adding to the delamination of the carbon fiber. The titanium shell was most likely to add consistent pressure on the carbon fiber. But did it cover all of the carbon? N if so. Could that have delamination from the fiber. By means of the flexing of the plexi glass? Thats what i suspect happened. And not simply pressure on a carbon fiber cylinder. Because if they tried to abort the descent. Carbon failure is unpredictable.
OceanGate - Game Over
Mr James could start develop Titanic II movie........
James Cameron is a genius
Why , exactly , do these types of dives require a human on board ???
8:05 He mentiiions that they knew there was an emergency and dropped their weights
Is James Cameron into motocross? Definitely wearing a Thor motocross jersey.
The only person that should of died was the one that said he broke the rules as far as making the Titan submarine in a cheap way to save money...He broke the rules and sounded very proud of it ! Now people and a Father and teen son are dead and on Fathers Day of all days
I watched James movie & how he would ALL WAYS BE ROASTING his TEAM OF crack engineers there was no room for arrogance or bravado ! !
4:40 Everything now days we sign wavers, that probably fool the billionaires and thought it was standard protocol like parachute or bungee jump
James Cameron is pioneer in the world of deep sea exploration. Deeply respected knowledgable and very conscientious of what he's doing and does the proper research and preparations needed to complete his goals. Many know him as a film director but he has been a very dedicated contributor to the the exploration of our oceans. He was also very articulate and compassionate in describing the Titan tragedy. I think in time his contribution to science will far outweigh his status as a film maker. I wouldn't be surprised if he someday won the Nobel prize for his efforts. ❤
Yes but he's not an actual scientist.
@@One--Upno, he's an explorer. Which goes hand in hand with science.
"skill issue"
-James Cameron
He has done a huge amount of interviews the last few days..does he get paid by each interviewee ???
How is there an art to treating an underwater gravesite as a tourist attraction for the wealthy?
So Right!
Exactly. Titanic and her victims should be left in peace.
Of course James Cameron’s comes on here to throw all flexes out way and compliment his achievements 😂 back hand compliment the dead on the titanic saying he spent more time on the ship that them 💀 he’s just like how South Park portrayed him
I saw the same lack of reality and insanity with the Oceangate CEO and the Haileys Comet death cult Heavens Gate cult leader.
Very interesting- material failure in the end
That thing was not certified to go that deep. There can only be one outcome.
Submersible the movie based on a true story coming to theaters 2025.
Sick dirt biking shirt old man
Is he the smartest man or what. Wow.
How'd Cameron git down dare 33 times? lol Must have been fascinating to be next to all that rubble.
poor young guy got mixed up in the arrogance of his elders, humans "exploring space", humans "exploring deep ocean", humans playing with energies (nuclear, oil, particles) while they have hardly any idea what is real and how to comprehend live and love, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE with sugar on top....stop being such a selfish arrogant idiots and start respecting live and nature, your kids and youths might still have a future,
All these things... the titanic, un-respectful use of energy and power, 9/11, heavy pollution, nuclear disasters, you are ALL of you, and humanity as a collective LIKE THE CAPTAIN AND THE PASSENGERS OF THE TITANIC....
Time to WAKE UP!
Amazing there is more to this story bad enough thy new Sunday, thy were gone, James found out Monday, WHY When he was saying thy did try to launch an emergency, he was cut off, Mainstream Media needs come back to earth n stop being paid off!!! thy hid a lot on this Journey that never happened, it imploded b4 hitting down a shame!!
Did you need to talk about Oscar, etc...
*All I want is one of the 5 victims Rolex watch to be recovered and still be working!*
Too bad Jim didn’t engineer a way for the Titanic film crew to relieve themselves except to urinate in shared wetsuits because breaks were rarely given . Talk about infections. Swell guy. Really. Swell.
And he pumps a stock market investment
i enennd to study the mbti of everyone.
I regret not watching avatar 2.
I wish they had footage from inside the vessel when it imploded.
Unfortunately the CEO was so crazy they didn’t even have a airplane blackbox type of thing on the vessel which could be recovered to atleast hear the last conversations