The Quran CANNOT Be Trusted... Who Is Hafs?? | Live Debates
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All these ppl of "I'm not a scholar, so I'm not knowledgeable enough to discuss it", but they're super knowledgeable about trinity and Rebecca's age...ain't that amazing!
That's because they spend all their time reading our Bible, rather than their false book. They are trying to get a gotcha moment with Christians.
Hypocrisy, thy name is Islam.
Beautifully said !
They ALL say the same thing 😂😂😂😂😂
Muslims: we can "find" the age of REBECCA as 3yrs old in the bible! (Non existent)
Also muslims: TRINITY is NOT FOUND in the bible!
I can only imagine some Muslims are very angry this issue is being discovered and discussed by non-Muslims.
Satan is mad.
Discovered by CHRISTIANS!!! That must have hurt them a lot!
They can stop the huge revival that's coming
If I was a Muslim, I’d be shaking in fear when listening to this presentation. Googling CRAZY 😂😂
Not even sheik Google can help these muslims
You guys are doing a great job tearing Islam apart
I love that hadith grading is based off a huge line of trust me bro.
😂😂😂😂
Muslims never heard of the telephone game 😉😂
😮💨🤣
I wonder how history works
@@IRsnarf with evidence
Pray for that intelligent lady at the end. Pray that she finds the truth.
❤❤❤ Hi, from México. You are right, she is so smart. I think that our Lord Jesus will bring her home very soon. My prays are with her and You.
@@Beatriza1985 thank you sister que Dios te bendiga a ti también.
GodLogic has the muslima writing peer reviewed dissertation on his videos lol
For real? I could see that happening.
Lana cracks me up man she still coming back she can argue without facts without logic she stay cooking herself
Lana t'alla 😂 she is seeking truth let her solve the chain of narration she might find the way , the truth and the life
She is drunk on Camel wee-wee and the hump meat 🍖🥓🍖 😂😂
She's so goofy, but it's hilarious to keep seeing her come back
She's my favorite part
My word! When you used “Uthman corrupted the Quran” argument against the muslima is GOLD
I personally feel uneasy when Godlogic uses that fake argument.
1- He's saying the pdf file was a Christian!!!! nothing further from the truth.
2- He's using tools from the enemy father of lies. I rather use truth on principle. When you start using those slippery tools, your reputation will suffer. I rather use truth because Jesus said the truth shall set you free.
my 0.02
@@ehhe4381 He doesn't actually believe it, he just uses it so show how that Muslim argument of the corruption of the bible is unreliable
@@ehhe4381 1 that was Utham corruption 2 its to show their argument makes zero sense its debunking islam not making a case for Christianity
@ehhe4381
It is an argument design to counter their Islamic script. The script is always based on false logic 6:54
@@ehhe4381please don’t comment you’re literally stopping the evangelist from actually helping muslims
Avery, Jai and Rob the 3 brothers in Christ sharing the truth with love and power. Much love to you all ❤
I missed DoC today. God bless you all ✝️🙏
Jai have his own channel "Mind Unveiled" and the last video he uploaded is "JESUS SPOKE ARABIC AND LIVED IN EUROPE / LATIN IS ARABIC BACKWARDS" watch the video
@@mastertao1179 that is not true lol
@@imperfekt_zen it is, exactly the same voice, it is Jai 100000%
They share lies😂
@@bryantturner7572 tell me, do you also read hafz q'ran? Known as the most authentic liar?
The last guest was refreshing. Stream was 🔥
1:56:20
He is a liar, a fabricator, a thief, and rejected witness... but we love and trust him.
He surely wouldn't lie when narrating Qoran.
what?
It's Quran Bro 😂
Muslims are avoiding the topic because they can't defend it. Their own scholars accused Hafs as an unreliable liar, yet they all trusted his Quran. 😂
That’s false
@@bryantturner7572show us. Join the next stream lol
The next lie they tell is "Quran recitation and hadith transmission are different skills", because their hadith and quran say that a man cannot have two hearts: either he's honest or he's unreliable
Look who is talking. When you have authentic bible in original language then talk
@@twix1066
So translations of the Quran are FALSE?
"shirk chicken" is craaazy 😂😂😂
😂😂
We missed you, DOC
2:40:51 - I recently came across a clip taken from a debate between a Christian and a Muslim, and the Christian points out how Mark calls Jesus God in every chapter.
The video is titled "Gospel of Mark calls Jesus God in every chapter" by Wes Huff.
It's been a while since I've read Mark, but I never really considered or thought about it. Most people go straight to John to prove Jesus' divinity, and critics try to dismiss John over Mark. But it's also in your face in Mark. So I'm surprised we don't see more people using those passages from Mark when people try to dismiss John.
Even Erhman used that argument that Jesus was not God in the first gospel Mark which is absurd if you know Kirios is substitution for Yahweh.
@@ehhe4381 Yeah, I've actually heard that about Erhman the other day. But also heard that he eventually shifted his position on that.
But I'm not familiar with Greek, so this is the first time I'm hearing of "Kirios".
@@GutslingerHonestly I don’t take anything Ehrman says seriously when it comes to interpretation because he’s a textual scholar not a theologian
@@nnamdiubbaonu4381 Nor do I. The only time I ever watched him was when he had a livestream with DWood. I mostly only hear people talk about him a lot.
Since the gospel of mark was spoken by peter and mark wrote it down i guess john the apostle outran peter the 2nd time 😂😂 i guess there was something like a competition between these two cute apostles reference: Peter therefore went forth, and that other disciple, and came to the sepulchre. So they ran both together: and the other disciple did outrun Peter, and came first to the sepulchre.
- John 20:3,4
Godlogic!
You have GOT to do a livestream about deceptive and outright false translations of Quran verses into English, because there are a literal gold mine of Quranic verses that completely contradict modern-day orthodox Islamic beliefs that Muslims who can only read the Quran in English are completely oblivious to. If you can get an Arabic speaker like Jai or Rob to go live with you, it would be epic.
LANA CAME BACK!!!!!! 🤣🤣🤣
Lana tahala 😭😭
Guys. Really good presentation! Glory to God 🙌🏼
Man this is GOLD 😂😂😂😂😂 I'm loving every part of it
Muslims don’t like to come up when Jai is on. 😂😂😂 cause they can’t use the “Arabic card”
What you have been doing, is a Great work, God bless✝️✝️✝️✝️✝️✝️✝️✝️
I’m hoping that you cooked really delicious meals today 😂😂😂😂😂
“I’m not qualified”, “I need to clarify later”.
Don’t believe with your own lying eyes and ears. 😅
Greetings from Greece Guys Nice Job
1:20:54 Lana stepped into another “where’s the verse barrage” by saying Ayesha is in the Quran 😂😂
Dude, yall have no idea how much this video is a BLESSING to ME!!! PRAISE JESUS FOR THE HANDS, LIPS AND FEET THAT MOVE FOR HIS KINGDOM☦️✝️❤️🔥
In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. God is one amen. 🙏
@bahrilondkhudhurbalaseni1019
glad to hear an honest christian admit he worship 3 gods..
@@MyFyrosIsStillHereI don't expect people who trust a person with bad reputation that stole underwear to understand almighty God
@@MyFyrosIsStillHere God could have been just one all-present Spirit, but then that would not fit the Bible revelation, where He can take on human form, and not just in the incarnation, and also can be in heaven above, and also omnipresent with the Spirit. Allah however is not a spirit, but a bodied being in Jannah, with fixed dimension circa 30 metres high, and odd limbs such as 2 right arms, sits on a throne mostly, with some trips to hear prayers. Now that would not work as an Unitarian God, since that is not omnipresent, and would have trouble being omniscient, with all the intelligence packed into the small space of his head.
Q4:65, Muslims submitting to two FALSE gods, Allah and Muhammad, "🙄🤔SHIRK"🙄🙄
Allah is Muhammed
@@Spoken-e5p don't forget Jibreel 😁😁
That is false
@@bryantturner7572what a false
@@bryantturner7572 No! It wasn't. You submit to Allah and Muhammad, we're not fools bro🙄🙄
After this i went to see rob's live of 2 days ago on the same topic, this was CRAAAZY, Rob showed that they don't have the mos'haf of uthman, it is lost since the 2nd half of the 8th century at least according to hadith given to Imam Malik (founder of the maliki school) and even AlAzhar published a document nearly when they published the updated version of Haf in the middle of the 20th cntury, saying they have to clue where is the mos'haf, that there is no proof anyone has it or anything, even partially.
And about Hafs, that he is in fact a liar, stealer, fabricator, and that his teacher, and the teacher of his teacher are both blind, and that his teacher 3assim teached him the quran of Ali but teached the quran of Bin Mas'oud to another student and hafs said that he had a different quran from the other student.
So many stuff to show how the legendary preservation of the quran is just a legend and humble any muslim on this topic.
Great topic about hafs. Unfortunately the last caller Alia took too much time from the livestream. I really doubt her intentions. So much contradictions in her story. First, she said i read the Bible. At the end she says where to start reading the Bible. And she is now doing a research?? Why didnt she do her research in the first place before becoming a muslim???
Please dont waste your time with her. She is not trustworthy
Please do another stream about this important topic of hafs! Thank you and God bless you
Rob Christian is a beast man. Its official.
Beautiful stream ❤ God bless you all guys
About the Christian Trinity doctrine, you should know that not all Christian agree with that teaching. There are also Christians who do believe in the idea of Trinity but not exactly how the traditional trinitarians see it. So, I don’t blame Muslims for questioning the doctrine, although I understand muslims usually use that to try point out what it seems to be biblical contradictions in an attempt to hide the contradictions in the Quran.
I've been Christian all my life, Trinity never comes up in all the churches I've been in. It a Catholic thing.
Lana needs to stop calling in, she's really damaging islam 🤣😂🤣😂
Well in that case she needs to call more often
With "champions" like Lana, Islam needs no outside enemies.
@@mysotiras21 She's doing a great job 🤣😂🤣
I want the presentation by Jai as a separate sharable Video! This is hot stuff!!!!
God bless you guys, I loved the stream and loved the topic. Praying for everyone in this video and outside this video. Jesus is LORD!!!!!!!
This was a beautiful stream all star team. We need a reply of the stream cause we got off topic in end but it was beautiful i hope she comes to christ and is able to call on his name
Lana is becoming a good brand of commercial brake her self...
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 hilarious
OooooHHH! More ammunition to decimate my boys. Hope this channels gives me the knowledge to convert many, by the power of The Holy Spirit! Amen
You call this knowledge??
@@bryantturner7572 You’re in denial brother, i can see your other comments on this channel, you’ll find the truth one day 👍🏾
@@AnimeTenshou yeah and they keep deleting a majority of em…they don’t want u to kno the truth🤷🏾
Is it that stone-kissers can't answer, or that they don't dare answer? I suspect most of them know that Hafs was considered a liar, a fabricator of ahadith. If you can't trust him to be truthful about ahadith, WHY would you trust him to produce an authentic Qur'an??? Moreover, Hafs lived LONG after Muhammad, so how could anyone ascertain that his version of the Qur'an was the same as what was revealed to Muhammad? Yet Hafs is the most popular version of the Arabic Qur'an in circulation today. Go figure.
The lady in the end needs to open her heart and to be humble. Only in humility you can find the truth. If there’s some kind of pride involved demons will lead astray. Stay strong
One of best apologetic streams I have listened to. That beginning bit is Gold. Jai, DoC and logic are my favourite new apologists. Youre all doing Gods work and are on fire with the holy spirit. Jai is such a good dude. You can tell he has a good heart
Oh my gosh iv never heard the original quaran story so perfectly played out 1:59:28
Truly powerful Lions of God. The light shines brighter than ever. I hope it opens more eyes.
The best thing for Christians is to learn everything you can about Islam, it makes us stronger in our faith to hear such lies!! The world needs GodLogic and Jai and Doc! Thank you everyday for exposing the lies!
If Muslims would just accept that the only thing that has been preserved is the core message of the Quran they would not have a problem but pride and arrogance prevents them from doing that no matter what.
It not pride. They've been lied to so long they can't recognise the truth anymore.
i love how they all have their different perspectives and love for the different gospels. it just solidifies the point that the spirit of the Lord is one
Thanks
1:54:49 Wow.... "I' and "you" have the same meaning. CRAZIEEEE
Candra said: the translation is a lie and I can't speak Arabic either.
That's typical Muslim
Yea muslims be like im not scholar or having enough education to explain things. In other words, your allah send you quran for you to be confused 🫤
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Lana the liar 🤣🤣🤣 do u have the verse !!!😂😂
GOD BLESS YOU BROTHER
Thumbs up for Rob, Jai and Avery... Thanks for ur work of the Gospel may our Lord Jesus continue to guide u all.. Amen
If you ever need a translation which uses the name Yahweh instead of LORD, you can use the Legacy Standard Bible.
Isaiah 40:3 LSB - 3 A voice is calling, "Prepare the way for Yahweh in the wilderness; Make smooth in the desert a highway for our God.
What a good conversation God bless
Christian prince explained it this way since she wants logic, who are we to do shopping?? May I have one God please, or two Gods or three Gods. It does not matter whether God is 1 million the question is it consistent and what are the teachings. ONE does not mean anything.
My advice for Alia would be to read one of the Gospels and then immediately start reading the Old Testament. This is how I did it. Because like GodLogic and the guys said, once you familiarize yourself with the OT, you will see it all over the NT, and things will start making more sense. It's like a puzzle, and to this day, im still finding new pieces that make me understand and love Jesus even more. ❤
To the lady who ask about which bible book to read firs.
Simple!
Read the first book! It’s named Genesis.
That’s in the Old Testament, though.
If you want to start from the New Testament, then start from the book of Matthew.
Let’s not complicate things!
Imagine we trusted Arius and Nestorius simply because they were learned Priest and archbishop! 🤦
Why do we trust them?
Image muzlimies belive flying carpet .
@@bri-chimchimcher-ee6955
We don't trust them. He's saying "imagine"
Is the concept of the trinity just an invention of Christians? Absolutely not! we base our knowledge on the Holy scripture, the Bible.🙏🕊️🕊️
Yes Trinity is originally based from OT. It’s not some late century invention.
Hudhaifa was afraid of their differences in the recitation of the Quran...Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Quran materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt. (Hadith, Vol. 6, Book 61, #510). So here we have Uthman saying I'll burn the word of God and I'll decide just what should be in the Book.
If you have never watched Sam Shamoun and Christian Prince deal with these guys. One would think it is the wrong approach. But having watched them for years by treating these abduls like this is the correct way. Ive seen them both treat Jihad and many others like this with them finding Christ after all. Treating Lana like this wakens up her spirit to learn the truth. Gby you Logic and Jai
Again, poor aisha, musima, half brian, so embarrassing
Clash of Logics! 🔥 2:08:58
"We have a clear presentation about Hafs and arguments and ask muslims to answer a simple question".
All muslims in the first 90 minutes: "I don't want to talk about that"
Question for anyone who watched the entire video, is there at any moment a muslim that tries to answer the actual question?
Avery, please advise during your live podcasts, our street preachers against these cunning Muslim apologetics on the street. They can outsmart them easily with some technical questions about the Christian faith. It's sad to see a Christian preacher being deceived and led to Islam. Tell them to avoid such people or better still do their research well before attempting their questions.
Without LYING islam DIES... what a great lie from this muslima
Lana said she rejected Hadith, and she is quran only
Quran is the only true words of God.. thus any hadith that converse the Quran.. then you can throw the said hadith into the garbage..
similarly, any bible verse which converse the Quran can also be thrown into the garbage..
for example..
Paul : Jesus died for our sins
(1 Cor 15:3)
Jesus : You will die in your own sins (John 8:21)
God : No one dies for another's sins (Ezekiel 18:20)
so, which verse should we throw into the garbage.?
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@@TheyTryToMuzzleFyrosdefinitely throw away the prophet that has no lineage to all the other prophets before him yet asserts you must follow him because the previous prophets said so…but we can’t find where 👀
@@TheyTryToMuzzleFyrosSecondly, the Quran calls itself a Hadith because it’s a text based of a chain of recitations but according to scholars Hafs is excluded from hadiths because he is a liar. So by the same criteria the Quran you have today is weak & man has corrupted the word of allah again…🤦 stop doing the thing where you end the sequence of events & logic where you like & just follow them to the conclusion…
The chain of narration goes by the other name ''All-ah-Hotmess''
I personally find it very annoying that when someone converts to Islam, they say they "reverted" to Islam.
I know why they say it.. But it's stupid and wrong.
I agree 💯, it's so stupid!
Its more like perverted back
God bless that sister in the end. May The Lord guide her 🙏🏽
You can't right down dialect 😂😂😂.
2:25:24 - Did they capitalize "Him" as a way to try to cover up that it's referring to Mohammed?
Yuuuup
Jai got a smooth voice man no diddy. It’s Smooth on the ears lol
Thanks for enlightenment
It’s funny every time somebody comes up they say I’m not a scholar or or I only have 5 minutes giving them a out to leave jf they get stuck lol
56:47 Lana is online again.. 🤣😅🤣😅🤣😅
Alia was very respectful. Seems like a great soul , God Bless her.
Very educative! Thanks guys.
Yo Logic i’ve been noticing you’ve been borderline cursing you said the S h $ t word on your last stream and on this one you said head A$$?? What’s up with that
It appears that the Quran has Muhammad and Allah connected similarly as Jesus and His Father God
Most Honest Muslim I've ever seen.. wow! 1:45:19
The “1 Samuel, 2 Samuel” part made my day 🥹
And wow that same girl Alia is very intellegent except for her position on islam being credible
I missed the live. Do you have a schedule that i can follow?
Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays. But sometimes if he has some extra time he may do an extra stream.
Surprised you guys didn't bring up surah where it says u can beat your wife even on suspicion
Wish dontconvert2islam will come on your live or join in your live
Is he still a Unitarian kind of christian, so that could mean going off-topic into that ? NT does not fit Unitarianism though, unless one filters out verses.
Lana ta alla is the new "Safraaaaz"😂
Logic's explanation of "the levels of persons" (my own naming) has stuck with me.
Level 0: Stones and objects have no consciousness or person
Level 1: animals and humans have only one consciousness (or person)
Level 2: God, as a higher and transcendent being, has three consciousness (or persons)
This is the logic of Christian divinity.
So as long you don’t have a bad reputation you can make up your own hadith as long as you claim a distant connection to the person your writing about lol
Lana still in search 😭
mooooozlims be like:
"i need to do more research...
SO LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT CHRISTIANITY"
**pic of Momo kissing the stone**
Text underneath: that’s tough
So these 6 books of hadiths are based on this transmission Well the chain that's in this transmission is Slippen 😂
Can someone ask Jai Doc to stop typing in CAPITAL. The text becomes very difficult to read when it is in ALL CAPITALS.
Girl is collecting arguments I have to disagree with you Avery she is not all that intelligent because intelligent people leave momo not come to
Gotta have the hadith to understand Allah or the Quran
Ask about all the other versions of it they threw in the Nile in the 1920's when they chose the Hafs version. And it wasn't canonized until the 1980's.... the book, the place, and the man, have way too many historical anachronisms.
Majority of biblical scholars agree that Gospel of Mark was written first. Gospels of Mathew, Luke are dependent on Mark. Mark, Mathew and Luke are called Synoptic gospels. These Gospels can be seen together or read the same. Biblical scholars think that Gospel of John was written later. Gospel of John is different in comparison to the first 3 books, must be read with different expectations.
The first guy made zero sense in his thinking. He follows a religion in a language he can’t understand, trusts the translations online but doesn’t trust the translations online. Like what?