Patriotism: How a Catholic can still be Patriotic in a Corrupt Nation - Part 1
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- In this episode of the Catholic Family Podcast, Andrew joins the podcast to discuss patriotism and how a Catholic can still be patriotic in a corrupt nation.
In part 1 he talks about America and its origins, the Founding Fathers, the first Catholic bishop (Bishop Carroll) Henry Knox, the natives out west, congress paying for Catholic missionaries, the Corporation of America vs. The United States of America, and much more. We hope you will enjoy this episode but also join us in the comment section for a further discussion.
Please stay tuned for part 2.
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Great show!! That the Church is growing most quickly and effectively in the United States is no accident. By their fruits you shall know them!
Hello, excellent topic. I am a Cuban sedevacantist, but I have been living in Florida for 2 years. I find it very unfortunate that many traditionalists have abandoned politics with the excuse that politics is full of Freemasons and liberals, when precisely that is even more reason for Catholics to stay involved in politics.
I totally agree with you. It’s a shame that so many Traditional Catholic men are okay with doing nothing as the world around them falls apart.
“THE PUNISHMENT WHICH THE WISE SUFFER, WHO REFUSE TO TAKE PART IN THE GOVERNMENT, IS TO LIVE UNDER THE GOVERNMENT OF WORSE MEN.”
- PLATO
Because it's not about there being feeemasons. It's about there only being freemasons anywhere higher than local government.
@@TheCatholicPatriot is prayer nothing? Why should I participate in a fraudulent government system? If voting mattered they wouldn't let you do it.
Nothing will change by voting.
@@CubeInspector That has nothing to do with it, because even if it were so, the Catholic Church has never said that apoliticism is a legitimate option. In extreme cases, our duty is martyrdom and die trying, not complaining from inaction. Giving up political and civic activity is never a Catholic option.
@@CubeInspectorthat’s true, which is why I agree with Andrew on getting involved with the local politics, because if you had enough good people in the local area, you could to tons of good. Imagine if all the local governments in the US defended basic morality openly, we would never have ended up at this level of wickedness in the big government. It happened because local people were happy to be consumers and not do anything when things got more and more degenerate morally.
Just as America is the new Rome, America will be converted as Rome was converted. This is what I’m praying for.
Our flag is in all of our churches, so I feel that speaks to the Church’s view on patriotism.
Minimizing freemasonry and Washington’s membership requires a look at our Popes , who as far back as 1738 sounded the alarm. From Pope Leo XIII….”. The first warning of the danger was given by Clement XII in the year 1738,(3) and his constitution was confirmed and renewed by Benedict XIV(4) Pius VII followed the same path;(5) and Leo XII, by his apostolic constitution, Quo Graviora,(6) put together the acts and decrees of former Pontiffs on this subject, and ratified and confirmed them forever. In the same sense spoke Pius VIII,(7) Gregory XVI,(8) and, many times over, Pius IX.(9)
I agree that it’s important to acknowledge and understand the papal pronouncements on masonry and that it is a diabolical sect meant to destroy the church, and it goes back far before the 1700s - back to Solomons temple and then Herod’s basement - but Andrews point and position is not to minimize masonry but merely to make the distinction between a Protestant secular humanist classical liberal like Washington who couldn’t be bothered to show up to the lodge more than twice in his life and who expressed little to no interest in masonry throughout his life, and despite being a liberal product of his time at least seemed to be a somewhat honest man, and someone like the open Luciferian occultist Albert Pike who wrote the book morals and Dogma. We know those ideas and rituals didn’t just appear with Pike post 1850, that would be a ridiculous position. We know these evil principles go back to Solomons temple, but to paint Washington with the same brush as the truly diabolical 33rd degree Luciferians is simply historically inaccurate. Again, not defending him or masonry, nor making light of masonry, just looking at it from the full perspective. There was a shift in masonry post Civil War (post Albert Pike) where the strong anti-catholic Luciferianism came out much more clearly. But before that, among the humanistic masons who fought in the revolutionary war, you would be hard pressed to find them all doing those kinds of rituals. Most of them were classical liberals much lower down on the Masonic totem pole than the political leaders of the world today. Again, not at all a defense of masonry, just putting it in perspective.
I agree it’s important to understand the papal condemnations and warnings against masonry. Andrews point is not to make light of or lessen the crime of masonry, but to make the distinction between the classical liberal Washington, who couldn’t be bothered to show up to the lodge more than twice in his life, expressed little to no interest in masonry during his life, and despite his secularism and Protestantism at least seemed to be a somewhat honest man, and someone like the open Luciferian occultist Albert Pike who wrote the book morals and Dogma. We know Pike’s evil ideas didn’t just appear post 1850, we know these evil principles go back to Solomons temple, but to paint Washington with the same brush as the the rest of the masons is simply historically inaccurate. Again, not defending him or masonry, nor making light of masonry, just looking at it from the full perspective.
There was a shift in masonry post Civil War (post Albert Pike) where the strong anti-catholic Luciferianism came out much more clearly. But before that, among the humanistic masons who fought in the revolutionary war, you would be hard pressed to find them all doing those kinds of rituals. Most of them were classical liberals much lower down on the Masonic totem pole than the political leaders of the world today. Again, not at all a defense of masonry, just putting it in perspective.
There was a shift in masonry post Civil War (post Albert Pike) where the strong anti-catholic Luciferianism came out much more clearly. But before that, among the humanistic masons who fought in the revolutionary war, you would be hard pressed to find them all doing those kinds of rituals. Most of them were classical liberals much lower down on the Masonic totem pole than the political leaders of the world today. Again, not at all a defense of masonry, just putting it in perspective.
I wasn’t trying to minimize freemasonry if that’s how I came across I would like to correct that by adding some clarity. I was trying to show the difference from the time when masons were more focused on being total humanists which again is horrible and not the standard for how government officials should conduct themselves but it’s far different than the openly luciferians that are running the show now.
This is a very important question. The distinctions are very nuanced, but they have to be made.
A simple one to begin with is this:
Patriotism assumes that one lives in a nation-state/country. This would be very difficult to argue in present day United States. We live in an economic area or zone where everything is based on rationalism and materialism, and is purely a calculation of economic self-interest.
There are two forms of government: Monarchy and Oligarchy.
True Restoration did an excellent entire series on the history of the Masonic Lodge. As far as it being established in 1717 and being a ‘good ol boy’s society’, I think not! If you aren’t interested in the True Restoration series at least look up the book, Behind The Lodge Door’ by Paul A. Fisher. The Masonic Lodge always had a master plan to destroy the Catholic Church.
There is zero doubt that Freemasonry were established to destroy the church and to be a force for Satan but what I was trying to say is that George Washington certainly was a dedicated member and I would say at that time most were hardcore humanist which is horrible but not explicitly Luciferian like they are today.
I couldn’t agree with you more about freemasonry being established to try to destroy the Catholic Church, where I think Kevin was coming from is that the overall mentality back then in most of the masons was more focused on being humanist which is horrible but certainly not the luciferians they are today. In no way am I trying to minimize the problem of Freemasons.
I can’t agree with you more that freemasonry was created to be a force for Satan but to misrepresent people like Washington who showed little to no interest in masonry his whole life is a big injustice. I don’t want to understand the issue of masonry in our country I want to paint an appropriate picture of the differences between the humanist and modern day open Satan worshipers. To act as if all masons are equally dedicated on the plans to destroy the Catholic Church is also false because of how humanist they were at first. Not good to be a humanist but a different issue entirely than the open luciferians that we see today.
Yes that’s all true, I haven’t heard the series but it sounds good. I think the overall point they were trying to make was not to make light of masonry or it’s evil history (which goes back to Solomons Temple and then Herod’s Palace, long before the 1700s), but simply to make the distinction between someone like Washington, who was not a committed mason at all and expressed almost no interest in it throughout his life, and was more of a classical liberal Protestant than a secretive Luciferian occultist, vs. an open 33rd degree Luciferian occultist like Albert Pike, and acknowledging that there was a shift in masonry post Civil War where they were much more open about their evil plans, whereas before you could easily be a classical liberal in the low degrees who didn’t really know much of anything about the secrets, which from all evidence we have, Washington was.
It would be good for them to do a follow-up to clarify these issues, because I think they would agree that it’s important not to treat masonry lightly and I doubt either one meant to. It’s easy to say something quickly in a podcast and not realize how some might take it, and then later you need to clarify.
People forget that the prince of this world is the devil... If this country kept such a strong and true moral patriotism focused on how this country was founded, then there wouldn't have been much evil done.
I agree. I want nothing more than for this country’s conversion to the Catholic Church but without Catholic Action we can’t ever get there and that’s why I wanted to talk about this topic. I need more people to join me in prayer and legislation for our cause to have a fighting chance.
“And Jesus beholding, said to them: With men this is impossible: but with God all things are possible.”
St Matthew 19:26
This country was founded by freemasons, out of rebellion, enshrined objectively evil ideas within the Constitution, as a means of acting outside the influence of the Pope, for the purposes of leading the world to what it is today.
And don't the people who sacrificed our heavenly father.
@@CubeInspector yep.
Great topic and Great video. Thank you!
Thank you mom love you very much.
Pardon my ignorance, but what is Andrew’s last name?
The issue for those of us that adhere to States Rights ( the South)....Our "country" IS the Sate where we were Born. The US government IS merely a Confederation of States.
What was the Roman Empire like at the time of Christ?
It was pagan, idol-worshipping, infant-murdering, slave-driving, gluttonous, greedy, and led by as corrupt a government as you'll find anywhere in history. Most of it's subjects were conquered by force.
Did that absolve those people of obeying it as lawful authority?
Mary and Joseph obeyed the decree to go to Bethlehem for the census, and God made use of their obedience to fulfill His prophecies.
Christ said, "Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's."
We can't neglect the virtue of patriotism simply because we don't like or agree with the current government. It has been allowed by God to have authority over us, and we do what we can within its laws.
This!!
Exactly, render to Caesar what is his. Don't have to be "patriotic", though. Or "love" the country.
@@RickGrimes-tr3ug patriotism is a virtue. And "love" for one's country doesn't mean blindness to its faults and failings. You desire the good of the thing loved and do what you can to promote that good.
I agree with Andrew. Love the sinner but hate the sin. Love your country, but hate the evil done.
Thank you very much. We need more hope in this corrupt world especially as Catholics.
The Amish and Mennonites are also having lots of children.😊
This is true
I love this country, and I've always liked Washington. He wasn't Catholic, therefore no one was around to prohibit him from becoming a Freemason. And the mere membership, as Kevin alluded, doesn't tell us anything about his knowledge of the organization. I have non Catholic friends that belong, more as a social club, and they have no idea of anything nefarious. And Bishop Carmona, incorrupt in Mexico, said that Freemasonry looked so attractive that had he not known better he might have joined them. Mind he is acknowledging their evil. But either way, Catholic monarchies often were at fault, dynasties changed, rulers we excommunicated, but i think they served us well for their time, the same as this country for it's time where the true faith remains in large numbers. The Christeros employed a 33rd degree Mason to lead their army also, by the way. It isn't black and white and so easy to condemn people wholesale.
Patrick ; no one is condemning people “wholesale”. The Church and Popes have been condemning freemasonry since 1738. Read Pope Leo XIII. I have seen the ceremony wording for one of the early oaths in Freemasonry ranking , and it requires solemn oath to express one’s main desire and it ISN’T Our Dear Lord Jesus Christ. Our level of cooperation with Freemasons has to be kept in line with our responsibilities as Catholics to The Church and Jesus our Lord. Their “common good” is not going to align with the Church at all times.
Washington was a Master Mason and was nearly promoted to Grand Master of his lodge. Why claim ignorance?
The Vietnam war was unjust because some brats on college campuses were shouting Ho Chi Mihn slogans?
You guys "write the book" on American Exceptionslism. The thirteen original colonies set a prescedent for the entire Revolutions of the 19th Century and kicked out two Catholic Monarchies in the western Hemisphere. I want to add that I am a combat action US Marine but in the words of Smedly Butler....I was a mere Mercernary. God help US!
I don’t see where anyone defended the original revolution, to the contrary Andrew’s position is far from defending the founding or any of the evil acts perpetuated by the American government following the founding, but simply to practice the virtue of patriotism despite living with a highly compromised, corrupt, and unjust war-loving, corporate oligarchy-run government. No one is defending it, they’re saying love the nation that lies underneath all that chaos despite the chaos, and don’t blame the nation itself (the land, your fellow countrymen) for the crimes of a communist incorporated oligarchy that was not intended by most of the original founders.
French Revolution and American Revolution were the same Judeo/Masonic undertaking.
Isolationism isn't a virtuous foreign policy. We didn't help the French Revolution because most were disgusted by it and both the French and British were kidnapping our sailors. And no, Japan was not a Catholic country lol. Some single digit number of those cities were Catholic.
Japan was far from being Catholic but what Kevin was saying is that the U.S. nuked two civilian cities and those two were the most Catholic out of the whole country. Coincidence…? I think not.
No one said Japan was a Catholic Country. Nagasaki was the center of Catholicism in Japan ground zero for the bomb was the cathedral there. You really ought to learn some history
I’d take isolationism any day over unjust bankster war mongering.
The US didn't help the French Revolution? The top US masonic brass most certainly did help that revolution.
@@RickGrimes-tr3ug Doesn't list names because you're making crap up. Jefferson and Payne may have. The federalists and George Washington were disgusted by the French Revolution.