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I also don't think the vast majority of people are interested in the human connection part of music. Vocaloids are a huge deal. Production pop music and assembled pop bands are still a big thing. The ones looking for human connection and who value the musicianship are not the majority by any stretch. It'll become like furniture. The vast vast majority of people will buy stuff from Ikea and Amazon, and only a handful will ask for the custom-made dining room table made by a real woodworker.
But pop that conveys or captures emotion or states of mind well does resonate with the audience. What's odd to me is that pop production has a tendency to be more clean, perfect and synthetic generally
@@sonicstate Much of it does for sure. But I still think we're both underestimating what will come out from generative AI, and overestimating the general population's desire for a real human to be making the music. Maybe I'm wrong. Some of my favorite bands are one person, and then anonymous musicians (Ghost, for example). In the future, it may be that one person's vision, and AI handling all the rest. Still human from his aspect, but 4-5 musicians no longer involved at all.
Missed the stream, re. the Great Pyramid - it wasn't a burial chamber. Killing Joke recorded some of the vocals for their Pandemonium album in there 31 years ago. The session was arranged by Youth (there's your Blue Pearl Link), who was back in the band at that point. The story of the session is legendary - it's in the Killing Joke documentary.
Paulee's guy with the cardboard box modular case story - That sounds suspiciously like MylarMelodies He made a cardboard eurorack case and it definitely had an Atlantis in it. You can find the video on his TH-cam channel where he shows how to build the cardboard case. It was posted 9 years ago.
The AI conversation was a good one and music made by humans should always win out… however I believe most of the music played via Spotify playlists are made up by in house AI musicians with most of the income staying in house!
I think that one of the reasons why governments keep "old tech" alive is because security of government systems is an absolute top priority. Folks in government I.T. have to have ironclad assurances that there are no weak links in whatever firewalls they create. You don't want some curious 17 year-old to go poking about your taxes, government pension, or welfare payments. So there is a preference for processors and languages that people know VERY well.
Love Paulee's point about the semi-modular way in to Eurorack. I went down the Eurorack rabbit hole a bit and after not really ending up in the right place I'm taking a step back and looking at a semi-modular voice as the new center point of my Eurorack set-up. I bought a Moog Mavis, which is great. But I pulled the trigger on the Atlantix almost immediately after I saw it. Anyone want to buy a Moog Mavis?! :D
Disagree regards to Autism an A.I... ( Though haven't read the acticle.. ) ~ Through my personal experience & struggle with ASD & mental health... ~ I hope A.I. can be implemented as a learning & assistance aid... ~ ( Hence hopefully opening up new pathways to create art for people with learning & body disabilities... ) ~ I do agree however that a lot of work from home online jobs maybe effected if companies choose to use A.I... as money saving tool...
Is using generative AI tools actually “creating”? Or does it merely offer the shallowest victory to the user? Is it not ableist to suggest that learning & body disabled people cannot learn incredible skills under their own steam, without artificial help, and overcome their limitations? I’m genuinely asking these questions so that our community can grapple with them.
@@magicalsynthadventure3216 That's a fair comment that maybe true for some... But I would say yes it is a form of creating & add that A.I as a teaching + creative tool can potentially help inspire new styles of music or ways of working with sound... Both for able bodied users already adept with music or people with severe social or other learning difficulties who may have been put off due to that steep learning curve etc... ( Maybe viewing it from a generational tech leap forward might help?... ) ~ There was a time when sampling was frowned upon by established musicians, with some also labeling it as cheating... ( Yet it spawned the birth of various EDM genres that have thrived over a relatively short time period... ) Personally I would love an app or piece of A.I. music software that could be incorporated into Ableton or DAW of choice that allowed you to analyze your favorite music & break it down in to stems each with its own mix channel FX suggested by the A.I... ~ ( Or the ability for the A.I. to automatically set the mix compression & E.Q. etc on a channel based on the musical style or track your inspired by... ) I agree it shouldn't be used as an easy hack for club ready tracks but more a tool for inspiration & learning...
Working from home (for traditional office/tech work) is basically asking to be fired first. If your manager isn't used to you being around, you will go first.
I know someone who is autistic and creating AI programs to create things that so far nobody else has made that would be affordable to the average person, It will enable many people (if it gains traction without people hating on it because of the bollox around AI not being creative) to be creative in a way that they couldn’t afford or do without that kinda programming. The tech is changing, not everyone has to get onboard granted. But drum machines never made drummers obsolete, the TB303 didn’t make bassist’s obsolete, In fact without those things we wouldn’t be making the music we do, but those fears were there. Open your mind and accept that this IS already opening art to many people who couldn’t access it before. Also MASSIVELY important is that not all AI copies other peoples work, in fact hardly any that deserves the title of AI does. For instance, Unless you sat in a room by yourself without any musical stimulation ever and then created music you can’t say that you haven’t been inspired by something, AI works on a similar principle, it is fed things that it knows is by a,b,z it then generates by its’s input (usually) even if it *self* creates based upon it’s own input, it isn’t far away from how most people create.
@@RatskankI don’t think anyone has actually responded to the point I was making. The spectacle of gifted autistic savantism is *the only thing that we have* to connect with other people (until our 40’s where we’ve finally got the social skills down) and if everyone has easy access to that kind of power, diminishing the wow factor of our skills, then we’ll have nothing. That’s my only point 😊
The AI artist need, indeed all music consumers, is the one that will scan databases of music/other art and return art that a person wants/wants to hear, and nothing that they don't want to hear. Based on mainly qualitative factors.
@@sonicstate That has been the problem all along - the gatekeepers. They distribute what they want to distribute and at their price. I'm believe there is a solution to bypass them all, it just hasn't been discovered yet.
Stop freaking out about AI, use it as a tool. The biggest threat to your career is not moden AI but rather traditional, biological AI, and there are billions of them. So nothing has changed.
New , generative music is NOT exiting , and in one or two years from now - NOBODY can hear ANY difference from AI to human music - and shame on all who , in any shape or form - endorses AI - you just dug your own grave !
@@magicalsynthadventure3216 Just living in the west we live with a high degree of privilege.. .. let’s not separate humans will all be affected.. it’s already affecting my line of work! So we’re all on edge.. dispute my comments I really enjoy your music style and great work with the Waldorf M! Hopefully my next synth.. cheers.
A population is neurodiverse, individuals are neurodiverGENT when their neurology diverges in certain ways from norms in a population. At least that's the concept. If you accept that autism is a thing then no, not everyone is on the spectrum. Are you divergent, friend?
@@eubiqueit’s a spectrum because everyone is supposed to be on it. It’s all inclusive (which is a hard concept, agreed) but as someone who has always been on the outside of the “norm” but would not be considered autistic, it’s a bloody minefield to fit in a category, hence everyone can be divergent to everyone else
"Neurodiversity" is a made-up word. It's The Emperor's New Clothes. It's one in a range of similar tools that are used to subvert stable societies for nefarious purposes. Whole countries end up being held hostage by a bunch of fucking weirdos. Once those weirdos have served their purpose, you can guarantee they will be cast aside, leaving a population of gibbering, gullible idiots who have lost the ability to think for themselves and are terrified of upsetting the accepted order. RIP SonicState.
Only if the person asking has no idea what they are doing. I use it when I just want the simple solution or function and the time it would take for me to research, test and write it would be a faff. I wouldnt hire a coder for mst things anyhow and I would never use it to create anything more complex
@@sonicstate Yeah. In that way, it's more like the production music that AI is most likely to take away (corporate presentation music, etc.). It still eats into the industry, but into the low-hanging fruit.
17:07 A.I. doesn't stand a CHANCE of taking away my enjoyment and satisfaction of playing instruments and completing a track and releasing it for no one to hear😁. and I'm only half joking hear. My tracks are my creative DNA that no amount of technology can sway me from the satisfaction of. no amount of streams or cash intake can make me enjoy them any more than I already do. I would be surprised at all if A.I. where music creation is concerned is the 3D, Interactive TV or NFTs. We get all hyped and excited for new tech and bow down to it before we even realize whether or not it has staying power.
And let us not forget the diminutive but excellent Roland S-1, which is an absolutely superb recreation with a whole host of features we never knew we needed!! :)
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Hi I was wondering if your ever going to have Ty or Dave Spears on again.
Hopefully yes!
and Robbie
Maybe you could ask all the panelists for their favorite 808 tracks to compile as a big Spotify playlist! Just for a bit of fun :)
JJ Fad "Supersonic"
I also don't think the vast majority of people are interested in the human connection part of music. Vocaloids are a huge deal. Production pop music and assembled pop bands are still a big thing. The ones looking for human connection and who value the musicianship are not the majority by any stretch.
It'll become like furniture. The vast vast majority of people will buy stuff from Ikea and Amazon, and only a handful will ask for the custom-made dining room table made by a real woodworker.
But pop that conveys or captures emotion or states of mind well does resonate with the audience. What's odd to me is that pop production has a tendency to be more clean, perfect and synthetic generally
@@sonicstate Much of it does for sure. But I still think we're both underestimating what will come out from generative AI, and overestimating the general population's desire for a real human to be making the music. Maybe I'm wrong. Some of my favorite bands are one person, and then anonymous musicians (Ghost, for example). In the future, it may be that one person's vision, and AI handling all the rest. Still human from his aspect, but 4-5 musicians no longer involved at all.
Missed the stream, re. the Great Pyramid - it wasn't a burial chamber. Killing Joke recorded some of the vocals for their Pandemonium album in there 31 years ago. The session was arranged by Youth (there's your Blue Pearl Link), who was back in the band at that point. The story of the session is legendary - it's in the Killing Joke documentary.
I did not know that..
Steve Hiller At 29.43 Is Kult :)
Paulee's guy with the cardboard box modular case story - That sounds suspiciously like MylarMelodies He made a cardboard eurorack case and it definitely had an Atlantis in it. You can find the video on his TH-cam channel where he shows how to build the cardboard case. It was posted 9 years ago.
It does!
"I've got a fan under the table keeping me cool... where it matters!!" - Show title "fan under the table"
Is her name Monica?
@@ohmgroan2363 😂
You have à dirty mind.
Provision of the Sonic TALK 806 on
TH-cam is much appreciated.
The AI conversation was a good one and music made by humans should always win out… however I believe most of the music played via Spotify playlists are made up by in house AI musicians with most of the income staying in house!
If not now in the future yes for sure..
At least Paul Horn used a Nagra when he recorded Inside The Great Pyramid. Probably.
It was Pharaoh Menses, thus the red granite... (I'll see myself out)
I think that one of the reasons why governments keep "old tech" alive is because security of government systems is an absolute top priority. Folks in government I.T. have to have ironclad assurances that there are no weak links in whatever firewalls they create. You don't want some curious 17 year-old to go poking about your taxes, government pension, or welfare payments. So there is a preference for processors and languages that people know VERY well.
Very true!
Love Paulee's point about the semi-modular way in to Eurorack. I went down the Eurorack rabbit hole a bit and after not really ending up in the right place I'm taking a step back and looking at a semi-modular voice as the new center point of my Eurorack set-up. I bought a Moog Mavis, which is great. But I pulled the trigger on the Atlantix almost immediately after I saw it. Anyone want to buy a Moog Mavis?! :D
yeah there is a good case for a decent synth voice module at the heart of a system
Disagree regards to Autism an A.I... ( Though haven't read the acticle.. ) ~
Through my personal experience & struggle with ASD & mental health... ~
I hope A.I. can be implemented as a learning & assistance aid... ~
( Hence hopefully opening up new pathways to create art for people with learning & body disabilities... ) ~
I do agree however that a lot of work from home online jobs maybe effected if companies choose to use A.I... as money saving tool...
Is using generative AI tools actually “creating”? Or does it merely offer the shallowest victory to the user? Is it not ableist to suggest that learning & body disabled people cannot learn incredible skills under their own steam, without artificial help, and overcome their limitations? I’m genuinely asking these questions so that our community can grapple with them.
@@magicalsynthadventure3216 That's a fair comment that maybe true for some...
But I would say yes it is a form of creating & add that A.I as a teaching + creative tool can potentially help inspire new styles of music or ways of working with sound...
Both for able bodied users already adept with music or people with severe social or other learning difficulties who may have been put off due to that steep learning curve etc...
( Maybe viewing it from a generational tech leap forward might help?... )
~ There was a time when sampling was frowned upon by established musicians, with some also labeling it as cheating...
( Yet it spawned the birth of various EDM genres that have thrived over a relatively short time period... )
Personally I would love an app or piece of A.I. music software that could be incorporated into Ableton or DAW of choice that allowed you to analyze your favorite music & break it down in to stems each with its own mix channel FX suggested by the A.I... ~
( Or the ability for the A.I. to automatically set the mix compression & E.Q. etc on a channel based on the musical style or track your inspired by... )
I agree it shouldn't be used as an easy hack for club ready tracks but more a tool for inspiration & learning...
Working from home (for traditional office/tech work) is basically asking to be fired first.
If your manager isn't used to you being around, you will go first.
I know someone who is autistic and creating AI programs to create things that so far nobody else has made that would be affordable to the average person, It will enable many people (if it gains traction without people hating on it because of the bollox around AI not being creative) to be creative in a way that they couldn’t afford or do without that kinda programming.
The tech is changing, not everyone has to get onboard granted.
But drum machines never made drummers obsolete, the TB303 didn’t make bassist’s obsolete,
In fact without those things we wouldn’t be making the music we do, but those fears were there.
Open your mind and accept that this IS already opening art to many people who couldn’t access it before.
Also MASSIVELY important is that not all AI copies other peoples work, in fact hardly any that deserves the title of AI does.
For instance, Unless you sat in a room by yourself without any musical stimulation ever and then created music you can’t say that you haven’t been inspired by something,
AI works on a similar principle, it is fed things that it knows is by a,b,z it then generates by its’s input (usually) even if it *self* creates based upon it’s own input, it isn’t far away from how most people create.
@@RatskankI don’t think anyone has actually responded to the point I was making. The spectacle of gifted autistic savantism is *the only thing that we have* to connect with other people (until our 40’s where we’ve finally got the social skills down) and if everyone has easy access to that kind of power, diminishing the wow factor of our skills, then we’ll have nothing. That’s my only point 😊
The AI artist need, indeed all music consumers, is the one that will scan databases of music/other art and return art that a person wants/wants to hear, and nothing that they don't want to hear. Based on mainly qualitative factors.
Thats pretty much what Spotify do already? But I personally dont use it, as they dont pay the artists properly
@@sonicstate That has been the problem all along - the gatekeepers. They distribute what they want to distribute and at their price.
I'm believe there is a solution to bypass them all, it just hasn't been discovered yet.
If you were ever on a TOTP hosted by Jimmy Saville you’ve got no chance of a re-run.
It was later than that fortunately
Flashbacks, maybe
Singing in a pyramid that's killing joke pandemonium stuff
AI Analog Synthesis. Is this a thing yet?
I'm not sure, I expect you could ask GPT to suggest patch ideas?
Stop freaking out about AI, use it as a tool.
The biggest threat to your career is not moden AI but rather traditional, biological AI, and there are billions of them. So nothing has changed.
New , generative music is NOT exiting , and in one or two years from now - NOBODY can hear ANY difference from AI to human music - and shame on all who , in any shape or form - endorses AI - you just dug your own grave !
So Paulie is upset he won't feel special anymore because of AI? I get it.. but I think we might all feel that way😅😂
Allistic (ie non-Autistic) people live with a high degree of privilege, so won’t be as adversely affected by the reduction of opportunity.
@@magicalsynthadventure3216 Just living in the west we live with a high degree of privilege.. .. let’s not separate humans will all be affected.. it’s already affecting my line of work! So we’re all on edge..
dispute my comments I really enjoy your music style and great work with the Waldorf M! Hopefully my next synth..
cheers.
yet another euro rack analogue module....
Next...
Isn’t everyone neurodiverse?
In my experience, no 😊
@@magicalsynthadventure3216 we are all on the autism spectrum, I am an aspie and proud of it. Great comments on AI today
A population is neurodiverse, individuals are neurodiverGENT when their neurology diverges in certain ways from norms in a population. At least that's the concept. If you accept that autism is a thing then no, not everyone is on the spectrum. Are you divergent, friend?
@@eubiqueit’s a spectrum because everyone is supposed to be on it.
It’s all inclusive (which is a hard concept, agreed) but as someone who has always been on the outside of the “norm” but would not be considered autistic, it’s a bloody minefield to fit in a category, hence everyone can be divergent to everyone else
"Neurodiversity" is a made-up word. It's The Emperor's New Clothes. It's one in a range of similar tools that are used to subvert stable societies for nefarious purposes. Whole countries end up being held hostage by a bunch of fucking weirdos. Once those weirdos have served their purpose, you can guarantee they will be cast aside, leaving a population of gibbering, gullible idiots who have lost the ability to think for themselves and are terrified of upsetting the accepted order. RIP SonicState.
Generative AI is best with everything that can be described with words. What if words fail to describe the essence of music?
The code "write me something to do this" *is* generative, and does impact software developers in ways similar to how generative art impacts artists.
Only if the person asking has no idea what they are doing. I use it when I just want the simple solution or function and the time it would take for me to research, test and write it would be a faff. I wouldnt hire a coder for mst things anyhow and I would never use it to create anything more complex
@@sonicstate Yeah. In that way, it's more like the production music that AI is most likely to take away (corporate presentation music, etc.). It still eats into the industry, but into the low-hanging fruit.
It’s more like a resentment of ridiculous ideas.
17:07 A.I. doesn't stand a CHANCE of taking away my enjoyment and satisfaction of playing instruments and completing a track and releasing it for no one to hear😁. and I'm only half joking hear. My tracks are my creative DNA that no amount of technology can sway me from the satisfaction of. no amount of streams or cash intake can make me enjoy them any more than I already do. I would be surprised at all if A.I. where music creation is concerned is the 3D, Interactive TV or NFTs. We get all hyped and excited for new tech and bow down to it before we even realize whether or not it has staying power.
Elephant in the room.....
Can AI help me patch my eurorack?
Probably can actually give you some ideas to try I expect
Well, Apple is in the centre and new iPhones and iPads pro utilising the latest pro tech -no need for Zoom
Behringer MS-1 is the way to go if you want a 101 . only $200.
And let us not forget the diminutive but excellent Roland S-1, which is an absolutely superb recreation with a whole host of features we never knew we needed!! :)
If anything, AI could help autistic people
Love you guys and Paulie had a very good point about AI. We have mostly been discussing losing jobs, not the possibility of depression. 😮