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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ก.ค. 2024
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Note: Yes, you could just purchase the premium for 15 dollars directly instead of having to do it via gold for 30 dollars or via silver for 16million. Either way, its still expensive as hell for just one month of premium, which is the point that I was trying to make in one of the clips.
i think it's comparable to eve online isk to plex , but as worst monetization ever? nah far from it , there's even worse out there
Yep its little unfair for players that play 1-2h per day to reach one month sub for 16mlns . But if u play more than 2h per day and u re lucky at looting . Probably it takes u few weeks to get premium and then u will be constantly getting more and more silver
It's 30 mil silver here on the east server:( and players are declining day by day especially new players
Its p2w just like EVE. You can pay money to level up and get the best gear, but you can also go into the pvp zone and lose it all 5 min later.
The reason to play this game is not to beat it for 99% of people playing it. There are people grinding for being top 1 in pvp rankings who spend 0 money for it becasue solo pvp let you earn legit 50m to 150m per day as we can see on streams. There are people gathering for fun, there are people playing on low tier sets in group pvp contents, there are people roleplaying, crafters, and many more. Example you used with better gear makes also no sense because this game is all about higher risk higher rewards. You can use "pay 2 win set" but if you die on it you will lose x100 more than person who plays on 6.1 set for example. In reality most of the players use sets t8-t9 even when they have over 500m in silver on acc because thats the way they want to play and they dont want to risk on higher tiers. The truth is that someone who didnt experience all of the contents didnt play for lets say 100h+ cant say almost anything about it. You also used example of the most manipulator in albion yt community, who is hated by everyone for lying etc.
I disagree. Why would you speak for 99% of other players? How do you know that? If anything, there is only a fraction of the playerbase that engages in PvP in Albion, the majority don't do that content. Beating the game doesnt mean you cant have fun, beating the game is just a way of saying for example "hey now you reached top 1 in this skill, on to the next one" and if you can pay real money to skip through all that hard grind then its considered winning. At some point in the game you will have almost done everything, there is always an end to things, even if there is enough replayability like PvP.
@@Doesnotmatter-uo7gd Is it my fault others don't go for content which gains you 10x more silver and fame? As i said a lot of players just dont like to grind and enjoy doing content like farming crops playing on yelow zone roleplay etc but i guess you didnt even read what i typed. The truth is getting premium even on new account with 3 days free premium is easy as fuck without any pvp just running and farming pve loot from abbeys
@@Doesnotmatter-uo7gdwhat do you do in Albion and why is it P2W?
@@matisko1582awhh you got salty because someone has a better insight? :( no one's blaming you bro
While i do see your points and they are legit, Whales pay for good items, we take it from them? most p2w games youcannot do that. Also you can outskill a %20 IP power dif with skill. Every MMO will have paid features to survive. ALbion feels the fairest.
Yeah and thats fine if you feel like its the fairest, I also like full loot pvp in Albion
Albion online is definitely p2w without any counter argument, but personally i dont hate it since they can easily loose almost everything that they gained
Appreciate the honesty, thats totally fine and respectable.
How the fuck it is p2w? XD If u are shit player u will die with gear, if u are good player u dont have to buy anything lol
I'm a big MMORPG fan, I've played a bit of everything. I played albion for years without spending a single $. Recently, because I have money and less time to play spent money to speed up my progression. And while yes it can be considered pay-to-win it's not an issue due to how the game has been designed. In 4 years of playing I've never felt once "agh this is so unfair just cause they spent money"
Getting silver for premium is easy if you play the game. If you can't play the game cause you're busy with a job, well get what you can now trade that time you spent IRL to save time in-game.
You speak also of "beating the game" or "winning" but just like most sandbox MMOs there is no beating the game, there's simply endless progression to play the content to progress to play the content. There is no form of competitive content where you need to spend money to compete like with many asian mmos so I'm more than happy with the way they handle it.
Appreciate your comment. Yeah if that is what you feel thats good for you man.
On the "sandbox" part, Oldschool runescape leans more towards sandbox MMORPG and you have plenty of skills that once you hit lvl 99, thats it, on to the next one. Thats literally beating the game.
The same goes for Albion, correct me if I am wrong but 120 in a skill and thats it, on to the next one. Sandbox or Theme park, doesnt matter. You are beating aspects of the game either way regardless of the replayability that exist in for example PvP.
@@Mosleso Fair enough.
Totally agreed with you. I'm a beta, legendary founder with more than 8000 hours in this game and its always been like that.
I'd say it got worse with time. As people pump up gold from credit cards in the game, it cause an exponential increases of the value of silver that in-game items don't back up, which means poeple that aren't paying with gold have to work harder and harder for their subscription and gear.
The biggest issue, is that there's no real item sink or season concept, and people don't lose their stuff, or reset, at each seasons, which means some guilds have massed so much resources that it now keeps snowballing into unlimited regear for its guild members.
This favor only one gameplay style; get in a guild and be some meatshield for a guild that will need you to win territory over OR get ganked by other groups if you play solo and play the way you have fun.
AO is a PvP game on 2 uneven grounds, first, in terms of quantity of adversaries, and then in terms of quality of gear, and there's no way to guarantee at any time that your experience will be considered fair, even if they try to do so, like in implementing corrupted dungeons, you will get those guys in 8.3/4 that credit swipe once to snowball resources so that they can play for free indefinitely.
In all due respect, I can't like this game for PvP given there's too many uneven grounds, but the grind and crafting is what kept me around for more than 7 years.
It as a good atmosphere, people can be nice, chat is edgy and funny like it should be in a MMO and its very socially oriented. It is a true sandbox at heart if can see it past that and there's definitely somethign for everyone there.
Damn, a veteran speaking right here. Appreciate the honesty and enthusiasm dude, thanks for letting us know.
This game's pvp isn't for crybabies my guy.
Personally, despite p2w and unfairness, it's still fun for me. I just play faction pvp, but even if I have tier 4 equipment on, I still find myself feeling like I'm useful and wanting to play more.I won't be good in combat, so I'll be using myself as a semi durable tank or a fairly helpful healer with blight staff. And even if people say I'll still be outclassed by better healers, it wouldn't matter in a blob. Any form of healing is still healing. Any form of Crowd Control is still crowd control. And even if you keep losing, you still get faction points because you participate. Not as much as the winning faction, but that doesn't matter because you retake your lost territory as quickly as you lose it. Does that mean faction pvp is useless or redundant? No! Because you'll always have a reason to fight
Personally, the pay to win exists in this game is for those who don't have as much time to play it, but have money that they can waste it on. Yes people will pay to win just to be better, and that is fine because you're wasting money on literal polygons. But that's how people want to play it, so you can't blame it
This game is a sandbox game. Play how you want to play. If your goal is to be the best free to play player, then go nuts. But you have to put in the effort. If you want to simply play for the interactions, the combat, the excitement, the fantasy of having to constantly be at war with a guild or a faction, then go ahead! There is no such thing as a wrong thing to do in albion because you are given the tools to do whatever it is you want. Just so happens that most things are locked behind a grind, but that's a sacrificial choice YOU have to make
Before they added awakened weapons the p2w side of things felt fairly reasonable. Premium is very attainable with in-game silver and people buying silver was whatever. That said the awakened weapon traits are just now just silly to the point I don't try to defend the game. *That said*, Albion has a MUCH bigger problem with Discord/N+1 being the name of the game. Solo players are seen as nothing but filler content fodder for roaming groups and unless you go into very contrived and repetitive play spaces like mists/corrupted dungeons you simply will die to them. Until they do something to either A) encourage fights between similar group sizes. or B) add mechanics to encourage grouping with random players to push back against roaming guilds (like no doublecrossing, etc.) the open world/roads will continue to feel empty and lacking content. This is ironically the exact reason groups say they hunt solo players "we don't have any other content".
Yeah I have heard about this numerous times, especially the awakened weapons, I should've included it in this video but you make great points.
And just wanna say in a lot of PVP, there is a cap for Item Power so, higher gear will not help you much.
grinding for premium is kind of the point i guess, its takes around a week, but thats a week of grind for a month of premium (+ you can earn silver just playing and doing stuff), and if you join an active guild you can grind that in a day if you're lucky. P2W wallet warriors are not even that big of a problem since you can just kill them and grab their loot, but I get that this video was made from a perspective of a solo player, albion solo and albion in a group are two completely different games
I do recognize that Albion has a lot of group content and I never really said that this video was going to be meant for solo players. I needed to display the most fundamental ways to progress in the game just like any other MMORPG, which is by gathering, crafting, killing mobs or what not. After all, most players do these things first before they enter any PvP.
Anyone who knows how to play the game or has experience can make premium on new acc in 3 days for silver, there are many examples of ppl doing it save way just with pve. You can easly get max specs in any tree (for example all swords) in under 2 weeks. You can spend 0 money on this game and get your acc to like 100m silver in less than month, any experienced player who for example play solo mists will tell you that.
and being able to swipe card to get better gear is bullshit. To get t8 set you need legit like 1h of gameplay XD i mean to wear it. It takes almost no time to get t6 for example which allows you to play most of the sets for pvp. You said it takes hours of grinding, and all you need to do is 1 abbey dungeon on black zone mist to get over 1m fame and around 500-1m in pve loot. This game let you get premium for silver which takes 1-3 days depending on how much you play and you can wear any gear by using it fot 1hour if you just watch 1-2 tutorials where are the best contents for fame.
I think you didn't pay enough attention to the video sir. "Anyone who knows how to play the game or has experience" well there is a lot of players in Albion that do not know the "best" money making methods, ESPECIALLY not new players. It's not all about you veterans, think about the others too. The first time I ever played Albion I was gathering for hours, and I am pretty sure you were as well.
@@Mosleso nah i joined a guild with my friends and we went to black zone to kill players I had T5 gear
The only difference is p2w players advance much faster that f2p. Later on the f2p can access all items the whales have but much slower
And that’s not even really true, get into a good guild with t8 black zones and you might just progress faster.
go to blackzone get in a farming guild youll have 1 billion fame in 2 days
Oh I love whales who spend money in albion thinking that they can beat anyone. They are like lootboxes for us, free silver. You cant buy skill with money, a skilled player doesnt need to spend real money, because they can make millions of silver easily.
real, wallet warriors get a reality check real quick since the skill gap is soooo large
99% of people who swipe are veterans,thats true for every p2w game.The meme of "I beat newbie whale" doesnt exist in reality.
I'd say you forgot to mention that you need 20% or so reputation in a skill to lvl it up
Otherwise from what I've seen you seem to be spot on, I liked your honest opinion
I also liked you mentioning how much money /silver it'll take to max out everything if someone is trying to do so, I like that you're not jaded and tell us both sides of the argument
Appreciate it man. Yeah I excluded talking about learning points because I felt like it was self explanatory, with more fame you would unlock more skill anyways, but you are right!
Learning points are what’s needed to skip a level, but these points can’t be bought and if you try to skip level you’ll burn trough a thousand in less then 5 seconds, learning points are best used for unlocking gathering etc.
You buy and use tomes for the 20% and skip it with LP or just wack some mobs for the 20% and than skip with LP
@@LancasterMenace not a good idea, to skip levels you need an a average of 35 learning points, and you get 30 daily if you have premium, LP are best used to unlock the first level of gathering
@@puddingsimon2626 i only use LP to unlock gear I don't spec with them
Just wanna say.. please i hope more people come and buy the best gear, bcs if you have a gear but no skill.. its soo easy to just kill you and get the money you put into this game for my self. I love people that spend a lot of money in this game they are free kills, bcs if you dont play the game and just skip everything you dont know how to play the game.
PTW more like pay to progress in all the top rankings like PvP, PvE, gathering, fame haveing money won’t = win.
This boring and time consuming game is not only P2W but also FULL OF PSYCHO-RATS making fun impossible for any normal player. AVOID as plague!
it is p2w, but on average people who p2w on this game are people who doesnt have any time to play the game and thats a good thing it makes them catch up to people who can play for more than 2 hours. the thing that balances this out is experience. ive seen f2p who plays 2 hours a day out compete a p2w player in money making. I have experiences in pvp and I beat a 8.4 master piece with tier 7 oc (that boost my economy like crazy making me somewhat p2w).
if anyone is curious, I noticed the 8.4 movement is sketchy, had a feeling like he/she just p2w the gear and there I go oc dismount him/her and I win for no reason, he/she was panicking like crazy and I just get the loot, I sold it for like 250m-300m(?) for the whole gear, it was a 8.4 attuned masterpiece.
the beauty of a full loot game and a player driven economy is that you can out maneuver any p2w player through experience, and with the amount of silver you could become a f2p that turned into a p2w. the hardest part is making the first silvers but when you have a capital that thing just spirals up.
PS I have a friend too that his money making is through duel "scams" where he gets like easily 100m for a couple of minutes or an hour non stop asking for duels in the cities and bait the p2w palyers, ratty but it works for him
Game is p2w but it has a leeway which is pretty good, the thing is this game has little to no content making the game boring for a while, been talking with my friends that albion should make like a quest system to make it fun and they (albion) actually is doing it, people should try out this game when that patch comes out.
I don't agree with the idea of it allowing players to catch up though payment because it means that the leveling aspect of the game is seen as an inconvenience rather then something everyone goes through and gain experience from. So the developers are enticed to make the grind as tedious as possible rather then a fun experience and the player is made to feel like they have to pay to play and not waste their time. A lot of mmo want to eat up your time after all and require you to make your own fun.
it is also interesting that you state a f2p can become a p2w when the game allows for it to occur with out you having paid a single bit of money, when p2w is typically defined as paying money to get the advantage. The fact that you can take it from them doesn't make you any less a f2p player.
I know you agree with Albion being p2w. However I feel that experience is completely irrelevant to whether a game is pay to win or not. If a player with the same experience has an advantage over you if they put money into the game it is p2w hands down, the experience aspect of it is only relevant to how imbalanced the pay to win is in the game.
Your beauty and fun of the game seems to rely on there being p2w players in the game since you mention certain players having higher tiered gear as p2w rather then just being able to feel like you have just beat another inexperienced player who spent the money they farmed poorly.
@@Hiker170and turns out the devs made the grind very very easy, you just have to take risks. Like doing a T8 static dungeon with good gear to burn trough it, or an Avalonian raid dungeon.
@@Hiker170 there are no game breaking items that is locked behind microtransactions. the only "p2w" in this game is a person doesnt have to put much time than the other, but the thing is you dont have to put that much time either, in this game f2p and "p2w" players will even out. IMO this game is the most balance game when in comes to having a p2w or a f2p, besides that one mobile mmorpg that has zero p2w aspect but it died out because the game got bankrupt (and its not because no one is playing it).
i like the fact it is p2w killed so many swipers that had no clue about pvp, theses guys made me rich lol.
No you didn't,this never happened.People who swipe are mostly veterans and know what are they doing.I have 1100 hours on albion btw.
1:03 I love when people arguments his knowledge about the game by amount of time spent on it. Personally, I can reach (or surpass) that level of knowledge by observing, analyzing and getting some gameplay of the game. You really don't need experience thousands of hours in game to understand what happens there. *smug*
Exactly. Unfortunately I get this comment way too often, and I just felt like I needed to say it because people just come with bad faith otherwise.
well if you spend 1000 hours on observing the game you will maby have the same knoladge as someone who played it for 300hours
@@tomastomas2252 when you have lack of ability to understand what you watching. Then yes, you have right.
Make a video about how VRising cant seem to make a good end-game loop. 😁
its p2w but if you die you just drop all your shit so.. i cant even be super bad about it
Paying can definitely speed up the game for you, aka you can skill up and buy better gear. But until you get skill you're just free money to other gankers. I kind of enjoy that tbh. Everything can be achieved without paying just not as fast. Now if they ever started making certain gear upgrades etc in the real money store to play I'd immediately quit lol
Totally reasonable and fine really, as long as you enjoy playing it then who cares. Rather people be honest than pretending like your not paying for advantages.
Exactly. Helps me play the game as an adult with limited time. I will never understand whales tho lol
Silver in Albion is essentially just anti-grind mechanics. You can technically save, gather, and farm your way up to hundreds of millions of silver, or you can just buy gold and have it easier.
The issue of course is that silver doesn't replace skill. A 4.1 highly skilled pvper is going to beat a guy in t8 who doesn't know what they're doing.
@@NomastiAfricanWarlord this isn't entirely true, it depends on what each sides are wearing and the amount of spec they have.
you're thinking of a very specific scenario like for example the 4.1 weapon being a cursed staff but realistically if both players have the same weapon for example a battleaxe and same spec but swiper having much higher tier the swiper is still very much more likely to win
higher damage numbers will always give you an advantage
Until you go to guilds that can easily boost all your specs and silver even faster than a person who payed. p2w in this game is for us who dont have time, sure there are people who payed and a seriously play the game but you could get any p2w have there are no items that are locked through microtransactions.
100% p2w :( i pay for the monthly premium. I get the same feeling from wow aswell. We as gamers are getting fucked in the ass
I buy prem every month and I just craft 30min a week
Nice vid dude
Appreciate it man!
I love those credit card swipers. Even though they used money to get high tier items and spec they still suck at pvp. They don't even know what their build does. They are like legendary loot boxes for me. Not only I don't have to spend a penny in the game, I'm even earning some pocket money by killing swipers and selling silver to other swipers. This game is real life sandbox mmo with no ethics. If you're gonna cry after losing your things don't play this game lmao.
It was pay for convenience, but the last half an year it's more like pay to play. P2w is hard, because it's a full loot game.
i respect your video and i dont defend p2w games, but in albion online it seems fine to me... i play the game for fun and not to "beat it", gathering is fun, leveling is fun, pvping is fun, if ur just buying silver and skipping the whole game, well idk congrats ur actually not even playing the game
Appreciate your comment man.
there is no beating the game it's a sandbox you just do whatever you want
i hope you'll lose all your progress in games cus you didn't show the loot at 12:00
Lmao true
@@Mosleso :D
A game that you could buy any kind of advantage is p2w
I dont think you made a great point when talking about PVP versus whales because just by plaing the game the intended way you learn how your weapons and set works, you made a great example when you bought your first set because with that you woldnt kill T6-8T players even if you had a set forth 60milion (T10-11) silvers. And thats what most of the whales do they buy a gear( usually the gear they buy is from the same skill tree for example kinght helmet knight boots and knight armor and some kind of sword to go with) and just die with it. They are at a disadvantage by not playing the game the way it was intended.
Only 28 subs? Nah man get my sub, this video deserves much more, hope you reach 1k
About Albion being a pay to win game, well yeah, it is, you basically pay for save a LOT of time farming/PVE/PVP etc... But i feel the devs did it well giving us, the normal players, a chance to get premium at a high silver cost, that way we all have one thing in common to reach at: The premium.
Btw this is leaving a hyper-inflated economy where the premium cost escalates each day devaluateing the main coin on the game, but that is content for other video i guess XD
Really appreciate it man. Yeah like you said if people feel like they can still compete and have fun playing the game for free then thats totally fine. And you are right, this video would probably be an hour long if I had to include all the arguments for how premium ruins the economy of the game and more haha
"Its not about beating other players in pvp, its about beating the game". Tbh fking ablion is a silvermaking simulator. As soon as you get to midgame all you do is Fame farming and silvermaking xD. To try to beat the game is tbh just a waste of time. Most players goals are just: Spec up your favourable gear, make enough money to be able to buy bunch of t9 sets and just go with a little smallscale group and kill ppl. Or even just get yourself a 8.4 set and become a mist menace. Yes this fking game is nearly unplayable solo without premium. Thats why i recommend guilds (just dont try to get into a slavery guild which takes all your silver and time with mandatory content). And btw Premium funds itself. I grinded for 16m silver for a week, bought premium and it basecally paid itself back and i could buy premium the next month again.
without the people that p2w the game wouldnt be in enough profit to even keep running
Maybe, maybe not. I am not a business person so I can't say what they should do otherwise, but I am sure there are other business models used in video games that can work very well without having to be P2W.
@@Mosleso Like what game exactly?
"My opinion is invalid"
All good
i see the p2w elements especially in gathering professions, where u would essentially grind for eons, but as a player with 5000+hours, albion is about the grind, we do zvz's to win and get rewards, everything revolves around silver. there are some errors in you video i would like to point out
firstly you can buy 1 month of premium for 15$ directly from albion shop, which is half the price you have stated,
secondly, atm if you make use of premium bonuses, its pays for itself, if you do complain that it takes silver to earn with premium ur right, but solo dungeons (the worst content in albion) themselves reward 50% more. so essentially it jsut speeds up the grind, i have played both on and of premium, and i can tell you that for a fact that 90% of ALL endgame players have premium, yes the start is rough but its smooth sailing ahead.
thirdly, you are describing the game as a solo game, when i started as a new player , my guild took me to static dungeons, and for a fact every other mob drops a tome, if you dont wanna play with other people you want to play alone its 100% pay to win, additionally each mob gives 2tomes worth of fame.
So in theory the question you would be raising is whether you want to play alone get meager rewards or play with a group and have fun,
p.s. after moving to eu, i can tell you for a fact that killing open world mobs in the black zone in t4 flat sets, gives insane silver and fame,and if you play around daily event its even better.
Additionally i didnt see and reference to the new upcomming update (journal), where you cant buy your progress you gotta still work on it. YES, you can skip some grind with tomes and silver, but the amount required to SKIP 75% of the grind is more than 150$+ and at that point the game gets boring, I can also tell you i have never EVER SPENT MONEY on albion, and specs and progress isnt everything, there is fun to be had, playing to have fun is ok,spending money to play with friends is ok, but saying albion is COMPLETELY pay to win is not something i can ever agree with. If you want to go solo, its 100% p2w but with friends not so much .
I didn't make this video with the mindset of going into it as a solo player nor did I ever mention it about playing solo, I was just referencing ways to progress in the game that most people in the genre are aware of, like gathering, crafting or dungeons. I know that group content is a big deal in Albion. You are also right about being able to purchase premium for 15 dollars directly instead, but technically would still be possible with either gold or silver, which I did show all 3 ways in the video but talked more about the gold/silver part. 15 dollars is still A LOT.
Honestly well made video but what you say in the video seems a little bit off to me, might aswell say games like warframe are p2win too.
Just a few things I DISAGREE with in this video as someone who's recently spent a lot of time in albion and hasnt spent money at all.
Gathering isnt definitly the best way to start as a new player, even for more experienced players and whales gathering is a slow process that requires you to farm a lot and unless you are gathering epic and legendary items you'll barely make a living, gathering and craftin is used as a passive income for those who want to log in every once in a while play a bit and then log off while everything sells.
In my case I started in black zone (martlock) with tier 4.1 weapons and then got into a guild that accepted new players and then moved to one that would only do Ava Dungeons.
Buying tomes isnt really worth it at all and is actually quite stupid, people dont really do it besides to just get t4 unlock on a new branch, and those you dont buy with money, when playing in black zone you earn a reputation token that can be used to purchase tier 8 tomes that give you up to 200k fame, or buy energy which can be sold for a lot of money really quick.
the worse part of albion is the start and setting off a foundation, afterwards its just quicker if you know what your doing and make friends along the way, albion even though sells as a game where you can purely play PVE does puts you in situations where PVP CONTENT is the one that'll make you rich.
Also, you cant just "buy spec", matter of fact what everyone does is go ahead and just lvl up one weapon to lvl 100, then you do some content with that weapon to get yellow fame and that way you can easily get more levels by using the yellow fame to purchase levels, yellow fame cannot be bought with real money, leaving aside gathering tomes, experience tomes dont really give you that much experience, 4mm in albion is literally barely to nothing and people who often spend money in albion sit with around 200mm to 1billion+ silver, those are the ones we call whales and often are less than the 3% playerbase, you cant just "Buy damage" neither, weapon tiers doesnt really matter if you dont have spec since most of the damage come from weapon and armor spec.
Usually the problem comes on the fact that the content in black zones (pvp zones) is owned by guilds and groups of more advanced players, so often new players stick to yellow and blue zones capping themselves to receiving low ammounts of fame and experience, The only grind to do in the game really is just getting a weapon to the lvl 100 (general branch) and then getting spec for each branch of the general one, thats pretty much it and its something that cannot be bought for money.
To give an example, I usually play 1 or 2 hours a week and make around 10mm silver by just doing ava roads or ava dungeons or any other content like ganking without putting much of a grind, it really is about finding the way to make the type of content you like and make the money with it, also your idea of mounts is flawed.
There are different type of mounts, combats mounts, normal mounts and ZvZ mounts (Juggernaut and the Turtle which are insanely expensive), combat mounts often are faster and a little bit more expensive than your normal mount but tend to have less health, carrying mounts have more health and are slower but carry more weight, basic mounts like horses are the most cheap but also the ones with avg hp and movement speed, combat/ganking mounts like owls, panters, bats, etc, often have more mobility and 1 ability BUT have wayy less HP.
Now as I said earlier, of cours you cant compare a tier 4 weapon to a tier 8 weapon, obviously tier 8 will deal a little bit more damage, the thing is even if you buy a t8 weapon it wont matter if you have spec, in albion there's the equivalents.
Tier 6: 4.2 5.1 Tier 7: 4.3 5.2 6.1 Tier 8: 5.3 6.2 7.1 and so which often are cheaper, .4 weapons or awakened weapons are a bit more complex to get into but doesnt require you to spend money in it I believe the main problem to be that people see the huge ammounts of money in albion and get scared not knowing how fast you actually make that money
For you to acurately buy everything you want with silver and well do like your video you'd have to buy around 100mm of silver and it still wouldnt be that useful because you'd still need spec and experience but hey that's just my opinion
Appreciate your enthusiasm. People can have their own opinions of whether its okay, good or bad or if they disagree with something. I didn't ever say that gathering and crafting is the best way for new players, but rather what they would probably be doing when playing Albion for the first time. The point was also to try and show the most obvious ways to progress in Albion, because in most MMORPG's players are aware of crafting, gathering, dungeon farming etc. which would allow me to get my point across about Albion being P2W much easier for those that dont think it is.
@@Mosleso I believe the term p2w is being missused, games like battlefront 2 or maplestory, games where you pay for an advantage but more than that most of the time these items are locked behind a paywall.
if anything, what albion COULD be is a pay2fast, also Premiun isn't exactly necessary to progress, you can possibly buy Premiun to get access to cheaper Islands and get a little bit more fame and silver, but after the first time you buy it there is absolutely no need however to buy premiun unless you want all the shenaningans they give you for well, paying a suscription to support the company.
One of the main problems I find with these type of videos (not you exactly) is that people seem to believe that because "you can pay for it" with IRL money, you cant get it any other way or it requires a massive grind when in reality it aint like that, same thing happens with warframe where people label it as a pay 2 win simply because you can avoid a massive grind to get a new warframe when in reality a new warframe isnt exactly necessary to progress through the game or get a advantage, matter of fact in warframe it doesnt really matter if you buy a weapon or warframe if you aint got the mods or resources to mod it properly and make it work which is something similar to what happens in albion, people dont really buy silver, those who do is a few people and often even if they BUY silver it doesnt exactly give them anything any other player cant get by just playing a bit, not even long hours, only player who of course notice or feel like that are ones who are completely new because even if you pay, getting out of the T4 stage is hard and requires grind, which makes player see whales like they just pay for everything when in reality it aint like that haha.
P2W means you pay real money and you obtain certain skills which is over powered and F2P players can never achieve. To speed up process is for people who are working and still want to enjoy the game. Eventually so called P2W players are paying for F2P to enjoy the game. F2P if they are good at the game have good chance of succeeding as you talking about a person who plays the game religiously (professionally) with people so called P2W who are casual players. It also involves economy. If people don't grind for materials, crafting and so on.. where does the equipment come from ? So this is real life period. Some other laborers, some are kings and some are heroes and obviously there are feeders thieves and so on. Time is money very well said. But if someone have money why can't they progress faster. And someone who wants F2P and not do grinding. why play mmorpg?
People can do whatever they want to do really, I respect anyone for their decision playing F2P or paying for advantages with real money. I think its just important to inform people and have a honest conversation about it.
you're wrong because the term p2w does not have a single, universally agreed-upon definition.
for example look at it this way:
you have x item of which a f2p needs to grind x YEARS to get it, however this item can be obtained through swiping lets say for like 20 bucks.
Would you really not consider that as P2W just because the item is still obtainable via f2p even though it could take several years for x player to get it?
this is why you can't say that it isn't p2w just because you can obtain it without swiping, it would make no sense
You didn't mention the worst p2w feature. Awakened weapons. A gatcha mechanic where you can put in millions of silver in order to get a weapon better than without it. Horrible concept that brought a lot of toxic gameplay due to unbalanced weapons that can be made with it.
Yeah I am aware of awakened weapons but felt like there was so many ways to prove P2W in this game I had to choose the most obvious ones to players of old and new, but you are right man.
Awakened weapons made things cheaper,instead of using 8.3/8.4 people would awaken 4.4 5.4 weapons to the same power level with less silver.I wouldn't consider that p2w,the whole concept was introduced as silver sink.
i would say its pay to progress rather then pay to win cause the 8.4 brimstone clip can be bought by a solo player very easily if they know what they are doing which they learn by not skipping that part by swiping & most of the time the swipers who swipe can swipe fames silver gold and everything else but experience of playing the game and if they just swipe past the blue / yellow zone area of the game and go out to blackzone/mist in there 8.3/8.4 build its 99% chance that they will die to someone less geared then them but with more experience. Anyways nice vid
Paying to progress faster than a peer is quite literally P2W, especially in a game where progression and gear win fights
@@maskettaman1488 yes it is but unlike other mmo's where they can make mistakes and not lose gear people will lose all the gear here if they go to blackzone with there good gear just because they have the highest tier of gear doesn't make them immortal.
@@maskettaman1488 + the game devs need to make money to sustain themself too
@@XujalGaming Being able to lose gear just makes P2W even more powerful since they can always just buy the gear back. In most P2W MMOs you can pay to skip the grind once. In Albion you can pay to skip it infinitely. Also don't pretend that P2W is the only possible way to monetize a game
This isn't even the reason I stopped playing this game, all the end game stuff is pushing you towards full loot pvp zones otherwise you're farming and doing dungeons in safe zones for months to buy the stuff of the auction house. The toxic environment of running into a full loot pvp zone and getting 5 people at the least running towards you while you're in t4.5 gear is fucking wild 😂 these savages are the reason why I just stopped going into pvp zones.
Appreciate your comment, and I totally understand you man, game isn't made for everyone and this game does have some hardcore fans.
is the game p2w? yes. but its one of the most free to play friendly games at the same time, this video is super biased, its like trying to fool outsiders by making this look like a gacha 😂. nice try to milk content but being disingenuous wont get you subs in the long run
Actually, you don't even know what you're talking about because the actual dictionary definition of pay to win is when you pay real money, this is in-game gold.
You can pay real money to get in game gold..... did you miss that part entirely?
@@Mosleso but you don't have to. It's not real gold either, just in-game currency.
@@85jacob85 So go and read the definition. P2W is when you can get advantage by paying.
Just because you don't have to doesn't mean it's not p2w.
The worst? no, pay to win? more like pay to progress, U cant just buy 8.4 then going rampage in BZ, there are always bunch of skillfull gankers who gonna kill u, lol. You can get premium for free, just use free 3 day premium to get silver, easy, can`t be said with other mmorpg that sell VIP status or premium with real money. In the end, the developer need to make money, and it is just Free To play game, crying pay to win at F2P game is just like childish behavior.
pay to progress is still pay to win
It's p2w not p2p. If you have two players with the same skills, but one is paying and other is not - in albion the first one would be much better.
So my takeaway is that it's just a matter of definition if it's pay to win. With some definitions of the term it's not, with yours it is. 🤷♂
If you watched the video till the end and that is still your takeaway then that is indeed sad. P2W only has one definition, but you can discuss the magnitude of each advantage as you like.
@@Mosleso I've spotchecked several publications for a definition of Pay to Win, and got several different ones.
As you've said yourself, the goal or win definition varies for every player. If they want to be successful in PvP, or with their guild, or just reach the highest crafting skills, it changes which definition of Pay to Win is applicable in their situation. Is fast tracking the leveling via Premium and the tomes pay to win, or is it rather about acquiring an advantage that only paying players can get, which doesn't exist in Albion.
Otherwise I think it was a great explanation of the different ways to progress and their advantages in the first parts of the video.
@@kenziph No sir I think you have misunderstood. If people change their definition of P2W where it is applicable in their situations only, then whats the point of P2W? It completely loses its meaning. People make up their own definitions because of self interest and justification for why they want to continue play a game.
You are allowed to discuss the spectrum of each advantage in the sense that if you think buying gold > silver > then tomes is not a huge deal because you can grind it as F2P, then thats totally fine and thats your choice. This is where its on a spectrum, meaning that you can discuss and talk about the advantages all you want but it does not mean that it shouldnt be considered P2W.
"or is it rather about acquiring an advantage that only paying players can get, which doesn't exist in Albion." Just because you can play and grind something for F2P, does not mean that
it's not P2W. People can still swipe their credit card and avoid the grind that you just made as F2P. It's very dishonest to say otherwise.
@@kenziph If i can pay money no matter how much total is needed and get any sort of advantage over someone who didnt it is categorically p2w, eg i payed bought tomes now im further ahead than someone who didnt, or i swipped bought best gear now a average player with average gear is significantly less likely to beat me in a duel. p2w by defnition from most is pay to have an advantage over someone who didnt.
If WoW is considered p2w and the game isnt based around pvp then how is that p2w and albion a game almost entirely revolving around its full loot pvp not?
Whether or not your okay with it doesnt make it any less p2w
If buying progression in the game is considered pay to win, then pls tell me of a mmo that is not pay to win.
Most MMORPG's are P2W because of that. Not saying any different, but lets not pretend like Albion Online is excluded from this conversation.
ff14. sure u can buy story progression and class skips but neither of which will get you all the way thorough, you still need to earn ingame gear by grinding content or buying crafted gear. There is no direct or indirect irl to ig currency swap.
Played this game for 2 years and i can wholeheartedly say that it's a piece of shit, the new server and them not allowing to transfer anything was the final nail in the coffin for me
also i prefer to call it p2sp (pay to skip progress), you could also call it p2w for sure but if i had to compare it to games like diablo immortal and such i wouldn't say it's anywhere near on that lvl, you can skip anything or get anything in the game via swiping (which is ridiculously expensive if you were to do it through the ingame shop) but it does not guarantee you winning every single pvp encounter, which imo is the main selling point of the game anyway (maybe not for everyone)
the problem really comes in when the grind for the free to play players takes a ridicilous amount of time, which i would say is def the case w albion, just think about having to spec up gathering, it literally takes months, but via swiping you could max this within a few minutes. And again it's the same case with gear spec, although it's not as bad to get gear spec from 0-100, but again to get it from 100-120 it takes insane amounts of money and fame which you're very unlikely to be able to do as a f2p (unless ofc you grind the hell out of the game and are an experienced player who knows how to make silver) and again the same case comes in with premium which didn't always use to be this bad as it is now , it actually used to cost 8million silver which is why people back then really were defending this game but you can't even make that argument anymore as premium now cost over 30m which f2p players are unlikely to be able to grind out in a reasonable amount of time (on top of that its not even really worth it unless you know exactly what to do with it and you play a LOT)
so whether you call it p2p or p2w i think either of these terms are reasonable , everyone can make their own judgement
@@yakuzi7622 Appreciate your comment man, yeah there are games with way worse monetization than Albion for sure but its still pretty bad regardless.
@@Mosleso ur right but for an mmo its not too bad , still playable
you section on premium is flawed beyond the point of stupid.
if you are spending real money on premium you buy the premium directly not via buying gold. that way the most expensive version of premium is only 14.95 USD
the ingame valuation in silver is so that if you make enough ingame money via your gameplay you can get premium status without having to use real money.
so at best you are wrong - at worst you chose to misrepresent this in order for your video stick to stay on your chosen point.
so basically like eve online alpha/omega account?
sorry for asking since i just play the game like 2 days and still confused about things
@@mastersnu810 You can buy it with gold, you can buy it with silver, and you can purchase it directly, and all of this was shown in the video, once early, and then later. If you don't want to spend REAL money on the game to gain premium then just grind it out.
oh my god I have never seen so much nonsense in a video,
I love whales, you allow the developers to live and me to loot your shiny stuff in ZvZ
the gold on Albion is a market, if there are more people who swipe their credit card the more the Gold will go down and if there are less people who swipe the more it goes up, This allows developers to have more or less the same income each month and to pay their fees, server and salary...