"The 75mm is firing, and the 37mm is firing but traversing round the wrong way. The Browning has jammed. I am saying ‘driver advance’ on the A set and the driver, who cannot hear me, is reversing and as I look out of the top of the turret and see 12 enemy tanks 50 yards away someone hands me a cheese sandwich." Lt. Ken Giles, British M3 Grant tank commander
Although I am not au fait with the process for the Brits in WW2, as a tank platoon leader, my transmitter was set to the platoon net, and my platoon sergeant was set to the company net. He would be responsible for the reports to higher, while I was responsible for the control of the platoon, the thinking being that you can't really do both things at the same time. Indeed, inside the tank, I went a stage further: I instructed my driver to listen on one net only, the loader the other net, while the gunner and myself had both on. If traffic was coming over both nets at the same time and the messages could not be made out, I could then inquire of the appropriate crewman the message I had missed.
TheChieftainWoT I think the British setup was similar - the set receivers would play onto the other channels at a lower volume, so both commander, operator and crew could listen. Commanders gained the skill of listening to both at the same time. The driver had a "call commander" button if he needed to get his attention onto the IC. Incidentally, I think Lloyd's got the A and B set around the wrong way - A set is the long range one on the big aerial, B set is the troop comms on the short aerial with brushguard. Later in the war a 38 set was added for communicating with infantry units, with an extra position on the operator and commanders switch.
Just to follow up - I hit the manuals and it sounds like the A and B sets were mixed onto the IC for monitoring, but removed when the commander or operator switched to the A or B set respectively to enable dedicated listening and push-to-talk. Thus the rest of the crew only heard it when it was on the IC. A warning light lit when both operator and commander were on the troop (B) set indicating that the command (A) set was unmonitored.
@Sparky Puddins actually, not quite. Tank platoons, SS or Wehrmacht, had 5 tanks (as ideally organised and numbered, combat losses and mechanical issues not withstanding). This did not change throughout the war. What did change was the number of platoons in a company and how many companies there were in a regiment as the war progressed. HQ platoons had between 2-5 and would have attached "security" elements which might actually push that number to between 7-12, depending on year and front. This applies to the SchweresPanzerAbteilungen as well. Stug and Panzerjager platoons however had 4 vehicles, partially because these guys were not trained and staffed by Panzer training units but by Artillery units. Certainly if we compare a standard Panzer Regiment to an SS one, the SS units do have more tanks and men by a factor of, if I recall correctly, 1:1.2 which actually made the SS units about the size of the Werhmacht's premier GrossDeutschland Regiment at certain points of the war.
It's interesting to learn about this know. When I was younger and competed in gaming tournaments, I implemented a similar system of voice-comm discipline without being aware of the precedence. While most teams put everyone on the same channel, I split my team into 3 squads of 3-4 players. Each squad had their own channel, while squad leaders had a separate key to talk to all channels. We set up our team so that individuals would gravitate towards the squad leaders, who could micromanage their own members, while also containing the moments of rage and frustration so that it wouldn't block out the whole team's comms.
Agamemnon What are you talking about? Of course they did, especially when you had to operate with self propelled artillery or an away-from-tank person.
Four tanks was usual when I was a tankie during the 70's in the Australian Army. We were able to operate in pairs, one pair moving and the other pair covering their move. Unfortunately, the government of the day decided we were wearing our tanks out too fast and so they mothballed a quarter of them. That left us with only three tanks per troop and the need to develop new tactics to cope with the change. The loader/operator had a third function, at least in the Australian Army, so say the most important of all. He made the brews and cooked or rather heated the crews food. ;)
You've been everywhere I've seen once and, while I doubt you've been the Duke of Lorraine for three years (because I swear you've been him for longer), you have commitment to the name and old Extra History art style. Respect.
Thank you Lindybeige. My Year 5 class are going to be watching your infantry platoon video next week as part of their 'Home Guard' training in their WWII topic. I am sure they will be interested in this too!
@@TomOkkaTom Maybe he meant something like entry-level theoretical army training to get the pupils familiar with the concepts like 'company' and 'regiment', or ranks, so they'd better understand the lessons. Personally I've enjoyed the 'The adventures of brave soldier Schwejk' much more after army service, for example, and 'War and Peace' fragments are much more easily visualised.
Just for the British unit impaired, the 17 pounder was equivalent to the 75mm on the StuG III (In the Antitank role) and the Firefly was an M4 Sherman, with a muzzle adapter (1:20 You can see it in the model) to raise the Velocity for tank killing.
As a farmer, I consider pitchfork the worst tool made into weapon. It can be surprisingly difficult to stick pitchfork into even packed hay. And i am talking about metal ones with sharpened points. Somehow multiple spikes create much more resistance than their sum should be, probably metal flexing does that? There are some two point metal pitchforks in some Hussite paintings, but i am not sure if those were not added by artists to make them look more peasant-like. I don´t think they would be capable of puncturing even a gambeson.
I think that it was some people who would just take it before they got proper spear (which is similar in use anyways... great history the Hussites, am I right?)
+Ondrej Dujka I have used pitchforks plenty myself, and I agree with you. you may as well use a kitchen knife if you want a weapon. On the other hand, if it is a mob ganging up on a single villager, a pitchfork would be a sadistically sinister weapon, if an ineffective weapon one on one. More of a torture device than a weapon. I imagine large mobs might have used pitchforks, but only if they were all after the same, unarmed target.
fun fact : the french high command realised a little bit late that shooting with live shells in the somua s35 (not training shells) would kill the radio system bc it was just under the shell ejection system
communication was not really good in the french army at the time that's what's made us lost the battle of france along with really bad politicians and generals
Ognjen Maksimovic i mean all armies can do mistakes every once in a while the s35 was still a excellent tank (even called the best of its time by many) even with a one manned turret, a crew of 3 and no radio
@@sergentsaucisse8290 Anything worth doing is worth doing well -- just think how much more effective they could have been if they had also removed the armor and tracks.... :)
You should do one on the organisation of naval squadrons, how many ships a commodore and various levels of admiral could command, depending on class/speed of ships
My grandfather was a tank commander as well as a tank platoon commander, he went into battle in an M50 Sherman in Korea and as lindy mentions radios here; one thing my grandpa mentioned when he took me the Museum of the Regiments and pointed to a few names on the wall was that he had heard them burn to death in their tank over the radio. I have never forgot that conversation. As well as the M50 Sherman he commanded a 2 pounder Centurion as well the 105mm Centurion when they were fitted with them. He spoke highly of the Sherman, saying it was easy to work on and fix, as for the Centurion said it was a great tank when it didn't have mechanical issues which was often, but that it had much better space inside compared to the turret. He also mentioned about one regret he has from fighting the Chinese in Korea: He told me a Chinese self propelled gun came out in the open and he wanted to fire, but his instinct told him it was a trap to give away his position, regardless of probably making the right choice he still regrets not blasting that Chinese unit. He also mentioned the Canadian tanks in Korea were meant to sit on a hill to let the Chinese shoot at them so that they could locate the Chinese and have the American planes come in and hit them, he also mentioned sometimes the Americans hit them by accident :(. Gramps joined up when he was 16 in ww2 and saw some action in Holland with an artillery unit and then moved over to Lord Strathconas Horse Regiment and became a tank commander working his way up to Warrant Officer. Also the Canadian army pronounces Lieutenant the British way of LEFTenant.
I must agree with Classicfrog80, I would love to see a video on your model collection. It would be relevant to war gamers, model collectors, and history buffs alike.
Your whole channel is very specific to your interests. And somehow you have over 300 thousand subscribers. So ... why not a video about your models and figures collection?
Great video, as always. Would you mind doing a video on what European pubs were like throughout history? I always think about it when we have our stereotypical bars/inns when we do role-playing games.
As a FDC chief for a howitzer battery (6/37 FA 2 ID) and I used three radios to communicate with our FO's, Battalion and Division. The FO's radio being cranked up to full volume, the other two turned down. The big difference between us and a tank as far as commo went was we had a extra set of head phones for my assistant when things got really busy with multiple missions. Also the guns were 50 to 100 yards away when they went off vs having a gun go off right beside you like a tank. You're right about radio traffic. It has to be tightly controlled. The biggest violators were our officers. I was constantly yelling at them to get off the radio. An acting E6 telling LT's, Capt's and Majors to get off the radio might raise a few eyebrows and normally you'd get your butt chewed.I never did. The General backed me up. The reason the general was so forgiving of my roughshod attitude to my officers was one day he passed by me and I didn't salute him. I just wished him a good morning with the usual "Sir". He locked my heels and asked why I didn't salute him. I replied "That's a sniper check. Sir!" I never had to salute him again although the officers did. I was training for war. My officers were playing army. MG Louis C. Menetrey got that, may he rest in peace.
"Okay driver, stop now." "Stop now, driver." "Driver we're are getting too close!" "Driver? Driver for goodness sake, Why don't- driver!" *S T O P N O W !*
The west also had some pretty effective anti-tank weapons. Notably the Pommel, you could have ended thine opponent rightly by throwing one of them through all the tanks.
Lindybeige has the honor of being one of the few youtubers whose comment section I actually enjoy reading. I always learn something from lindy and I always learn something from the comments. Keep at it lindy, you're doing great work.
If your tank had the luxury of being laid out with these ergonomics in mind, one way a tank commander could command his driver was/is with his feet. A kick on the left shoulder to turn left, kick on the right shoulder to go right, kick on both for forward, two kicks to stop. Not the most popular with drivers, but it works. My tank driver friends would always be washing boot polish out of their shirts! Thanks again for a great video, Lloyd. I think it's no co-incidence that a British tank platoon had three maneouvre elements, as did a British infantry platoon.
God I love this channel, you teach me stuff in a few minutes in such an easy way with awesome model examples and I actually remember everything. Cheers!
Lloyd, I really enjoy these videos about units and military concepts - you break it down in a very commonsense and straightforward way. Thank you for making these videos.
I love the little model tanks you have. I think your videos were recommended because I made stop motion movies with tiny tanks. I love war movies and building the models but I didn't know much about them. Now I can't stop watching your videos, glad to learn more about the war machines through history and methods people had to use them.
When I was a Tankie we knew them as Troops. And in a cavalry/MBT regiment a soldier is a Trooper. 3 tanks per troop. 4 combat troops and1 Sqn HQ troop of 2 mbts, plus support vehicles. Troop leaders were officers, or sgts/staffsgts. Our tank ic was permanently live. You had to press to send. We typically ran two radio sets working same system, or a third set working a different one. I have personally run 4 sets of 3 different nets/systems. ....it was a ball ache. Decoding, encoding, transmitting, loading, keeping the commander informed, loading, receiving, decoding, loading lol whilst not getting squished in the ring or by the breach
You may be interested to know that these same tactics are employed in modern American (as of 2002) anti-tank infantry platoons. 15 dudes. 1 - LT 1 - Platoon Sergeant 2 - Section Leaders 2 - Squad Leaders 4 - Gunners 4 - Drivers We had 5 HMWVs in a platoon. The Platoon Sergeant rode around with in a supply truck HMMV so he didn't count. The platoon was divided into two sections, with two HMMVs each. Each HMMV is equipped with a TOW missile. Then two .50 BMGs and two MK19s were split between each section. The sections, as they often do, could work independently of each other. For inter-HMMV talking, we could just talk to each other. Each HMMV was equipped with 2 radios. One for platoon traffic. One for company traffic. The LTs/PS' truck often had 3 radios. The 3rd radio for battalion traffic. Every radio is capable of talking to any net. It's just a simple changing of the station.
Thankyou for sharing the tradition of the poppy. I saw it and knew what it was right away, however, I was not aware that in England you wear it for several weeks leading up to the first Sunday after November 11th. Here in the US we see it worn in late May for our Memorial Day (with several areas claiming to start a May Memorial Day during/following our Civil War in the mid 1860's). But only for a day. It never ceases to amaze me how much more seriously the UK takes such traditions, versus what often seems like lip service here in the US.
I know Fury is a bit of a joke movie but I loved the amount of radio communication they decided to put in. The internet spends a lot of time fussing over details of tanks but I don't often see information about what it was like to be a crewman. Good video!
Great story about mixing up radio comms. That's still a problem today - I regularly make fun of my officer when he grabs the phone set and boldly orders the engine room supervisor to "blow down the steam generator", only to be told by the bridge "wrong MC, nub!"
Rodrigo Ugarte Mainly the Germans used that setup of having the commander in the turret and the driver under him or near his feet so he could give a little nudge and the shoulder of the driver to tell him where to go
I played a tank operation with an ARMA-community a few years ago with three radios set up like this. To remember witch radio to send on was a constant issue for most commanders. It was pretty hilarious when the company commander shouted at the top of his lungs to some platoon commander that he hadn't listen to him, only problem was that the company commander had given instruction and corrections on the wrong channel all the time. It did work out in the end though and it was great fun.
Used to be a tank troop (platoon) commander. This was a good video. In Canada we have four tank in a troop, and you work in pairs. If you have three tanks you have the troop commander directing one pair of tanks that provide each other with mutual support. If you have four, the troop commander directs two pairs of tanks, him being a member of one pair. It would be interesting to see how it worked when you started to loose tanks and and a troop would be down one, two or more tanks. I remember talking about tank tactics with one of my regiments veterans who had served in northern Europe during WW11, and an interesting comment he made was that the only time they had a formal "Orders Group" which is standard in peacetime and how we are supposed to operate all the time was before getting off the boat going to France. After that everything was done on the fly.
Without the bravery, and, fighting spirit of the French rear-guard action at Dunkerque, the entire BEF would have been killed, or, spent the rest of the war in German POW camps.
Great video again, Lloyd! This kind of video really bridges the gap between 'small history', i.e. the tales of individual soldiers (small history isn't really a good term, as these stories are immensely important, but hey) and 'big history', the tales of leaders, generals and offensives. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have some scissors to run with.
ruolbu todays communication is still the same, with the intern, alfa and bravo nets. But the intern net is always on. The other nets you have to push in a button to speak on, and when you release the talk button you go back to the intern net again.
thats still not possible, but through the use of triplexers you can monitor up to three radios at the same time or talk on one and receive on the others using one antenna. but you cannot receive and transmit on the same frequency at the same time. to talk and hear on the same frequency would be like shining a flashlight in your eyes while looking for other lights behind it. essentially every thing gets drowned out by your own transmission unless another radio is powerful enough to 'burn through'
Enlightening, entertaining video as usual! I'm pretty sure the Americans had 4-tank platoons during WWII, in sections of two, with the platoon sergeant taking the second section. Postwar, we used 5-tank platoons, in two sections; a three-tank 'heavy' and a two-tank 'light'. This was popular, since it gave great operational flexibility. With the much more expensive M1 Abrams, platoons went to 4 tanks. Besides chatter on the wrong channel, a 'stuck mike' (where the transmit button is inadvertantly pressed and held--or jammed--down) could be a ddisaster, since it shuts down comms for everyone on freq and in range.
A running joke with crew commanders was if the intercom was down, we were to grab the pickaxe handle from the vehicle kit to control the driver with pokes and smacks. You couldn't do it in most AFVs that we operated, but . . .
That's not a joke, I did that many times in the 1980s. In the FullTrack vehicle I used then the switchbox waas mounted on the engine bulkhead and became quite hot after a while causing the isolation of the wiring to become brittle and fail and short out at the most inopportune moment.
Each platoon leader has to constantly monitor command (B Channel in Britain?) to receive orders. No multi-band duplex radios in WWII. And thank you for the poppy.
I'm not so sure about that. The SCR 528 as found in US tanks had a second receiver-only set. I would presume this would work similarly to the B radio in a modern tank: You could hear both channels at once, but transmit only on one.
Or as WW2 British tank commander Lieutenant Ken Giles so eloquently put it: “The 75[mm] is firing. The 37[mm] is firing but is traversed round the wrong way. The Browning is jammed. I’m saying ‘Driver, advance!’ on the A set and the driver, who can’t hear me, is reversing. And as I look over the top of the turret and see twelve enemy tanks fifty yards away, someone hands me a cheese sandwich.”
***** yet it's exactly what they did at times. Not because they liked to, but because it was the only way to get that Tiger, seeing as they lacked weapons that could reliably take one out from outside its gun's range. And with the numerical superiority the allies had, they could afford to lose 5 tanks for every Tiger or Panther they killed.
***** in the movie, which was a horrible portrayal of tank tactics anyway, maybe. In reality, that option wasn't often there. The speed of advance had to be kept up, the terrain might not have been suitable, etc. etc. That's what led to Market Garden and its inevitable failure. The armoured column that was to relief the paras at Arnhem got bogged down (literally) because all the ground except a single road was impassible to their heavy vehicles, causing their advance to take too long to reach the city. Something Montgommery was warned about both by locals and by others in the allied chain of command, but he chose to ignore those warnings. One of Monty's many mistakes.
I know mate haha, it's just that Lloyd hates the whole "dueling" system in movies, that's the aim. Of course not even in modern battlefields individuals fight by themselves!
They weren't supposed to, but like in so many things in war, sometimes shit happens. You're the only one left in your platoon, or you get separated from your platoon, or an enemy tank pops up from a concealed position and no one else has a shot or room to maneuver to help you, etc.
The only main difference between the British and American system, was the Americans tended to field five (5) Tanks in a platoon. This allowed the Platoon leader, usually a Lieutenant, to coordinate the actions of the other four, who in addition to fighting German Units acted as wingmen when something really nasty showed up. Like a King Tiger. And yes they were called Ronson Lighters for a very good reason. Americans logistics command at the start of the war wanted to keep a similarity of fuels between platforms. Which meant the American Tanks were gasoline fueled, and not diesel fueled like German tanks. ( diesel doesn't readily catch fire and burn like gas does.)-Love the presentation!
I'm not sure if there's any account of a 17 pounder shooting at the front of a tiger 2's turret with APDS; but the numbers say it'd be able to penetrate it well. I'm also not happy saying that the 17 pounder could penetrate the front of the panthers hull with standard APCB. Of course the sides are a relative piece of cake with both tanks (especially the panther).
Very interesting indeed! But I wonder. Would I have to tune in to the B set to hear commands from Regiment? or would I be only sending on IC, A or B but receiving all channels?
If I remember well, the commander could hear all messages and the 3 way switch only controlled the sending. In my artillery vehicle (I was a forward observing officer) I had Intercom, artillery-channel, supported-battalion-channel and a "receive only" higher echelon set.
I enjoyed this video. Please keep making vids where you chat in detail about things that interest you. and please feel free to make them as long as you like.
Japanese tanks were known to have Mad Max style bull-bars made of katanas. They would come out from the water and be all like "サプライズ、母親のファック!" ripping through ships, aircraft and infantry alike. They were the reason the US needed to start dropping H-Bombs.
I served as a CV9030 commander in the Finnish army and I can confirm that the mix up with the intercom and radio did indeed happen to most of us. It happened to me during a stressful and large military exercise when I spotted the Leopard 2s of the "enemy" and naturally wanted to "tactically retreat" to a better position. The company got a big kick out of my increasingly desperate pleads to my driver to back out, it took me quite a while to realize my error and I went from calm to desperate and from desperate to furious. Luckily I wasn't the only one who did this, but that didn't relieve much of the embarrassment in the moment...
From what I remember from overseas, neutral position was internal comms, toggle up (had to told it up) was external comms, and toggle down (it stuck in that position) was microphone off. MRAP in Iraq
"17 pounder was a contender for the best Anti-Tank gun" not particularly. when testing the weapon the US Army found that after about 1500 meters 1 in 5 rounds hit the target. where as the 76mm US gun on the same range at the same distance hit with 4 of the 5 rounds fired.the 17 pounder has very good penetration with the late 44 early 45 sabot ammunition.
Depended on the ammo used. The 17pdr was perfectly accurate with some types of ammo, but the discarding sabot rounds had reliability issues with long-range accurate shots.
and the apds shots were only in short supply the german l/70 74mm kwk42, the american 76mm and the british 17pounder had all around the same performence
I have some tank pantaloons from the surplus store. Couldn't tell you what army surplused them or when, but they've got a number of pleats and zippers to make sure they're snugly-fitted inside a cramped vehicle, and they're far too light and thin to have belonged to an airman. Definitely tank (or other vehicle crew) pantaloons. Unfortunately I will not be making a video for you.
You're just very good. I watched you immediately and you this really helps one feel better. Yeah, in detail, though, it makes a lot of sense to have an artillery tank in reserve or behind, if it is not the command tank.
Nicholas Moran, a historian and ex tanker working for wargaming NA once gave a little presentation on myths about american armor in WW2. In that he mentioned that the platoon size there was 5. Could the number of tanks in a platoon have varied from nation to nation?
+1 for more videos on these topics; you're showing me a side of the Great War and WWII I never considered. And I'm an historian. . . granted of Latin America, but still . . .
"The 75mm is firing, and the 37mm is firing but traversing round the wrong way. The Browning has jammed. I am saying ‘driver advance’ on the A set and the driver, who cannot hear me, is reversing and as I look out of the top of the turret and see 12 enemy tanks 50 yards away someone hands me a cheese sandwich."
Lt. Ken Giles, British M3 Grant tank commander
Barrett Cortellesi lul
Barrett Cortellesi That's fucking brilliant
Thank you, now I understand why the Lee sucks so much in WoT. ;)
ConsciousAtoms The grant however is considerably better than that American sack of crap
lol
Great video, sir. Now would you kindly upload it again but this time to the B- set.
Samuel ; good show !
Oh I say I would rather have it on the double "D" set!!! 😍😊👙👙😌👍
Nice comment but you broadcasted that on the a-set. So only your troop heard that and not Lindybeige
Although I am not au fait with the process for the Brits in WW2, as a tank platoon leader, my transmitter was set to the platoon net, and my platoon sergeant was set to the company net. He would be responsible for the reports to higher, while I was responsible for the control of the platoon, the thinking being that you can't really do both things at the same time. Indeed, inside the tank, I went a stage further: I instructed my driver to listen on one net only, the loader the other net, while the gunner and myself had both on. If traffic was coming over both nets at the same time and the messages could not be made out, I could then inquire of the appropriate crewman the message I had missed.
did the Germans use 5 tank platoons throughout the war? I know that there was a lot of experimenting still going on around the invasion of Poland.
TheChieftainWoT I think the British setup was similar - the set receivers would play onto the other channels at a lower volume, so both commander, operator and crew could listen. Commanders gained the skill of listening to both at the same time. The driver had a "call commander" button if he needed to get his attention onto the IC.
Incidentally, I think Lloyd's got the A and B set around the wrong way - A set is the long range one on the big aerial, B set is the troop comms on the short aerial with brushguard. Later in the war a 38 set was added for communicating with infantry units, with an extra position on the operator and commanders switch.
Just to follow up - I hit the manuals and it sounds like the A and B sets were mixed onto the IC for monitoring, but removed when the commander or operator switched to the A or B set respectively to enable dedicated listening and push-to-talk. Thus the rest of the crew only heard it when it was on the IC. A warning light lit when both operator and commander were on the troop (B) set indicating that the command (A) set was unmonitored.
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I was wondering how they would know if both freqs were being listened to or not.
@Sparky Puddins actually, not quite. Tank platoons, SS or Wehrmacht, had 5 tanks (as ideally organised and numbered, combat losses and mechanical issues not withstanding). This did not change throughout the war. What did change was the number of platoons in a company and how many companies there were in a regiment as the war progressed. HQ platoons had between 2-5 and would have attached "security" elements which might actually push that number to between 7-12, depending on year and front.
This applies to the SchweresPanzerAbteilungen as well.
Stug and Panzerjager platoons however had 4 vehicles, partially because these guys were not trained and staffed by Panzer training units but by Artillery units.
Certainly if we compare a standard Panzer Regiment to an SS one, the SS units do have more tanks and men by a factor of, if I recall correctly, 1:1.2 which actually made the SS units about the size of the Werhmacht's premier GrossDeutschland Regiment at certain points of the war.
Any other man wearing a helmet in his disheveled room playing with toy tanks I would be skeptical of. Lindy, genius.
It's interesting to learn about this know. When I was younger and competed in gaming tournaments, I implemented a similar system of voice-comm discipline without being aware of the precedence. While most teams put everyone on the same channel, I split my team into 3 squads of 3-4 players. Each squad had their own channel, while squad leaders had a separate key to talk to all channels. We set up our team so that individuals would gravitate towards the squad leaders, who could micromanage their own members, while also containing the moments of rage and frustration so that it wouldn't block out the whole team's comms.
You'd make a great officer
Did you win often? Given that it worked historically, it seems like you should have done well.
This is what I've always envisioned in an idealistic Battlefield.
What kind of game was that?
You don't got to lie to kick it 😂
Contrary to current tank simulators, contemporary radio chatter did not include the phrases: "git gud", "cyka blyat" and "goldnoob, uninstall game"
Lies.
Agamemnon What are you talking about? Of course they did, especially when you had to operate with self propelled artillery or an away-from-tank person.
Whilst the words might change, banter is universal.
Git gud
or as some lovingly refer to arty as "sky cancer"
Fucking clickers.
Four tanks was usual when I was a tankie during the 70's in the Australian Army. We were able to operate in pairs, one pair moving and the other pair covering their move. Unfortunately, the government of the day decided we were wearing our tanks out too fast and so they mothballed a quarter of them. That left us with only three tanks per troop and the need to develop new tactics to cope with the change.
The loader/operator had a third function, at least in the Australian Army, so say the most important of all. He made the brews and cooked or rather heated the crews food. ;)
Some early war Britsh tanks operated in fours/pair of pairs too, such as the light Vickers.
More vids on military organization!
More vids on everything (except dancing)
Strategiusz Hey! Those videos are cringeworthy but in a charming way.
Strategiusz the dancing videoes are great! The lindy of the beige
What's wrong with dancing?!
I couldn't care a thundering fuck if he's putting on vids on dancing, that's Lloyds choice
That was the past. Now, a tank platoon is made of one tank, one healer and one DPS
3 DPS.
Fft, 4 DPS is best
Its still today bradly support tanks are setup like that at times so are abrams tanks
I thought they had 18 wheels on them and had really bad drivers
You've been everywhere I've seen once and, while I doubt you've been the Duke of Lorraine for three years (because I swear you've been him for longer), you have commitment to the name and old Extra History art style.
Respect.
Thank you Lindybeige. My Year 5 class are going to be watching your infantry platoon video next week as part of their 'Home Guard' training in their WWII topic. I am sure they will be interested in this too!
Whats a home guard training?
@@TomOkkaTom Maybe he meant something like entry-level theoretical army training to get the pupils familiar with the concepts like 'company' and 'regiment', or ranks, so they'd better understand the lessons. Personally I've enjoyed the 'The adventures of brave soldier Schwejk' much more after army service, for example, and 'War and Peace' fragments are much more easily visualised.
@@TomOkkaTom It was a mish mash army made by Britain when they were terrified of operation sea lion (German invasion of UK) I think
@@kingdedede1066 Thanks!
Just for the British unit impaired, the 17 pounder was equivalent to the 75mm on the StuG III (In the Antitank role) and the Firefly was an M4 Sherman, with a muzzle adapter (1:20 You can see it in the model) to raise the Velocity for tank killing.
Would you make a video about medieval peasent uprisings in films vs reality and/or pitchforks?
That is a great suggestion! Would love to hear some insight on that.
GRAB YOUR TORCHES AND PITCHFORKS!!!
As a farmer, I consider pitchfork the worst tool made into weapon. It can be surprisingly difficult to stick pitchfork into even packed hay. And i am talking about metal ones with sharpened points.
Somehow multiple spikes create much more resistance than their sum should be, probably metal flexing does that?
There are some two point metal pitchforks in some Hussite paintings, but i am not sure if those were not added by artists to make them look more peasant-like. I don´t think they would be capable of puncturing even a gambeson.
I think that it was some people who would just take it before they got proper spear (which is similar in use anyways... great history the Hussites, am I right?)
+Ondrej Dujka I have used pitchforks plenty myself, and I agree with you. you may as well use a kitchen knife if you want a weapon.
On the other hand, if it is a mob ganging up on a single villager, a pitchfork would be a sadistically sinister weapon, if an ineffective weapon one on one. More of a torture device than a weapon. I imagine large mobs might have used pitchforks, but only if they were all after the same, unarmed target.
fun fact : the french high command realised a little bit late that shooting with live shells in the somua s35 (not training shells) would kill the radio system bc it was just under the shell ejection system
communication was not really good in the french army at the time that's what's made us lost the battle of france along with really bad politicians and generals
Yeah French army failed a lot since Napoleons defeat
except they did pretty well during WW1?
Ognjen Maksimovic
i mean all armies can do mistakes every once in a while the s35 was still a excellent tank (even called the best of its time by many) even with a one manned turret, a crew of 3 and no radio
@@sergentsaucisse8290 Anything worth doing is worth doing well -- just think how much more effective they could have been if they had also removed the armor and tracks.... :)
Tanker: definition: 3-5 crewmembers struggling to become one organism.
As a retired tanker, I fully enjoyed this vid. Well done.
You should do one on the organisation of naval squadrons, how many ships a commodore and various levels of admiral could command, depending on class/speed of ships
Sort of continuing this series you've begun
I second that !
aye.
I'd like a video on carrier groups
My grandfather was a tank commander as well as a tank platoon commander, he went into battle in an M50 Sherman in Korea and as lindy mentions radios here; one thing my grandpa mentioned when he took me the Museum of the Regiments and pointed to a few names on the wall was that he had heard them burn to death in their tank over the radio. I have never forgot that conversation. As well as the M50 Sherman he commanded a 2 pounder Centurion as well the 105mm Centurion when they were fitted with them. He spoke highly of the Sherman, saying it was easy to work on and fix, as for the Centurion said it was a great tank when it didn't have mechanical issues which was often, but that it had much better space inside compared to the turret. He also mentioned about one regret he has from fighting the Chinese in Korea: He told me a Chinese self propelled gun came out in the open and he wanted to fire, but his instinct told him it was a trap to give away his position, regardless of probably making the right choice he still regrets not blasting that Chinese unit. He also mentioned the Canadian tanks in Korea were meant to sit on a hill to let the Chinese shoot at them so that they could locate the Chinese and have the American planes come in and hit them, he also mentioned sometimes the Americans hit them by accident :(. Gramps joined up when he was 16 in ww2 and saw some action in Holland with an artillery unit and then moved over to Lord Strathconas Horse Regiment and became a tank commander working his way up to Warrant Officer. Also the Canadian army pronounces Lieutenant the British way of LEFTenant.
Lloyd, could you please make a video about all your models and figures? It would be interesting to see what you have in your collection.
A bit niche. Even for people interested in wargaming, my particular collection is very specific to my interests.
I must agree with Classicfrog80, I would love to see a video on your model collection. It would be relevant to war gamers, model collectors, and history buffs alike.
Yes! I was immediately engaged when I saw the tin hat and a troop of model Churchills. Yes, it's niche, but being in a niche is sometimes great.
Your whole channel is very specific to your interests. And somehow you have over 300 thousand subscribers. So ... why not a video about your models and figures collection?
I would find a video about the models and figs interesting as well.
Great video, as always. Would you mind doing a video on what European pubs were like throughout history? I always think about it when we have our stereotypical bars/inns when we do role-playing games.
lukutiss1324 : oh yes please, perhaps covering that everyone didnt drink just ale.
didnt drink just ale? what are you? a milk drinker?!
What about mead John? What are you? A filthy imperial?
(SKYRIM BELONGS TO THE NORDS)
+John de waard wine. it's not ale.
this is goooood
As a FDC chief for a howitzer battery (6/37 FA 2 ID) and I used three radios to communicate with our FO's, Battalion and Division. The FO's radio being cranked up to full volume, the other two turned down. The big difference between us and a tank as far as commo went was we had a extra set of head phones for my assistant when things got really busy with multiple missions. Also the guns were 50 to 100 yards away when they went off vs having a gun go off right beside you like a tank.
You're right about radio traffic. It has to be tightly controlled. The biggest violators were our officers. I was constantly yelling at them to get off the radio. An acting E6 telling LT's, Capt's and Majors to get off the radio might raise a few eyebrows and normally you'd get your butt chewed.I never did. The General backed me up. The reason the general was so forgiving of my roughshod attitude to my officers was one day he passed by me and I didn't salute him. I just wished him a good morning with the usual "Sir". He locked my heels and asked why I didn't salute him. I replied "That's a sniper check. Sir!" I never had to salute him again although the officers did. I was training for war. My officers were playing army. MG Louis C. Menetrey got that, may he rest in peace.
"Okay driver, stop now."
"Stop now, driver."
"Driver we're are getting too close!"
"Driver? Driver for goodness sake, Why don't- driver!"
*S T O P N O W !*
And in the end he hears you because he you yell so hard
Plot twist: Actually he was the driver.
- M. Night Shyamalan
The method I have heard was the driver was instructed by the kicks on his shoulders from the commander.
@@myparceltape1169 Or wacks on the driver's head/helmet with a spare antennae element section.
Unfinished models? Appallingly unprofessional.Go back and do it again Lloyd.
mickeybill But Sir!!
He can't do it again until he finishes doing it the first time at which point it will not be necessary.
Jim Fortune Cheeky whelp. Go and sit outside the headmaster's office.
mickeybill I'll have you know I have never been called before the Headmaster. Got sent to the Principle's Office a few times....
Naughty boys in nasty schools, headmasters breaking all the rules...
Radio operator: important job so naturally give it to the loader, the guy that does the most moving around indide the tank. Brilliant.
Too bad a katana could easily slice through an entire tank platoon... silly western inventions
The west also had some pretty effective anti-tank weapons. Notably the Pommel, you could have ended thine opponent rightly by throwing one of them through all the tanks.
But I thought bamboo spears were the ones that sunk the Prince of Wales
Yeah but the reason the Japanese won World War 1 was because they invented the double-sided pommel.
And because we had access to fire arrows.
Used by the Americans to destroy Hiroshima.
I thought throwing pommels was banned by the Geneva Convention.
Lindybeige has the honor of being one of the few youtubers whose comment section I actually enjoy reading. I always learn something from lindy and I always learn something from the comments. Keep at it lindy, you're doing great work.
A poppy! I knew you would wear one!
i thought he got shot in the chest
lfteri Hey Engländer!!! Eure Helme sehen ja aus wie Suppenschüsseln!!!
MrOldMiguel I might just be the wurst german speaker. So I have no clue what you are saying
lfteri I think he says that English helmets look like soup bowls...
If your tank had the luxury of being laid out with these ergonomics in mind, one way a tank commander could command his driver was/is with his feet. A kick on the left shoulder to turn left, kick on the right shoulder to go right, kick on both for forward, two kicks to stop. Not the most popular with drivers, but it works. My tank driver friends would always be washing boot polish out of their shirts! Thanks again for a great video, Lloyd. I think it's no co-incidence that a British tank platoon had three maneouvre elements, as did a British infantry platoon.
God I love this channel, you teach me stuff in a few minutes in such an easy way with awesome model examples and I actually remember everything. Cheers!
Lloyd, I really enjoy these videos about units and military concepts - you break it down in a very commonsense and straightforward way. Thank you for making these videos.
Real hard to leave a like without a capitalized title, but the content is just too good!
I liked it before I noticed the title. I want to regret but I can't.
The title, when the video first appears, is by default the file name of the video file. I have now made the change.
Glorious!
I love the little model tanks you have. I think your videos were recommended because I made stop motion movies with tiny tanks. I love war movies and building the models but I didn't know much about them. Now I can't stop watching your videos, glad to learn more about the war machines through history and methods people had to use them.
as someone who usually has multiple chats open in Facebook the miscommunication is very relateable. then again I wasn't trained for this
When I was a Tankie we knew them as Troops. And in a cavalry/MBT regiment a soldier is a Trooper. 3 tanks per troop. 4 combat troops and1 Sqn HQ troop of 2 mbts, plus support vehicles. Troop leaders were officers, or sgts/staffsgts. Our tank ic was permanently live. You had to press to send. We typically ran two radio sets working same system, or a third set working a different one. I have personally run 4 sets of 3 different nets/systems. ....it was a ball ache. Decoding, encoding, transmitting, loading, keeping the commander informed, loading, receiving, decoding, loading lol whilst not getting squished in the ring or by the breach
You may be interested to know that these same tactics are employed in modern American (as of 2002) anti-tank infantry platoons.
15 dudes.
1 - LT
1 - Platoon Sergeant
2 - Section Leaders
2 - Squad Leaders
4 - Gunners
4 - Drivers
We had 5 HMWVs in a platoon. The Platoon Sergeant rode around with in a supply truck HMMV so he didn't count. The platoon was divided into two sections, with two HMMVs each. Each HMMV is equipped with a TOW missile. Then two .50 BMGs and two MK19s were split between each section.
The sections, as they often do, could work independently of each other. For inter-HMMV talking, we could just talk to each other. Each HMMV was equipped with 2 radios. One for platoon traffic. One for company traffic. The LTs/PS' truck often had 3 radios. The 3rd radio for battalion traffic. Every radio is capable of talking to any net. It's just a simple changing of the station.
Thankyou for sharing the tradition of the poppy. I saw it and knew what it was right away, however, I was not aware that in England you wear it for several weeks leading up to the first Sunday after November 11th. Here in the US we see it worn in late May for our Memorial Day (with several areas claiming to start a May Memorial Day during/following our Civil War in the mid 1860's). But only for a day. It never ceases to amaze me how much more seriously the UK takes such traditions, versus what often seems like lip service here in the US.
Fascinating, he always makes such complicated topics so approachable
I know Fury is a bit of a joke movie but I loved the amount of radio communication they decided to put in. The internet spends a lot of time fussing over details of tanks but I don't often see information about what it was like to be a crewman. Good video!
3 tank platoons are a thing n World of Tanks too. However, we do not have a commander, all 3 of us just shout "Leroy Jenkins!" and drive forward.
haha, didn't know about this meme until today.
You called?
Great story about mixing up radio comms. That's still a problem today - I regularly make fun of my officer when he grabs the phone set and boldly orders the engine room supervisor to "blow down the steam generator", only to be told by the bridge "wrong MC, nub!"
French tanks used flags? That explains a lot.
badlandskid were the flags white.
big mike we don’t talk about the color of the flags anymore too embarrassing
White ones
Russians also used flags early war. Early T-34s didn't have radios. (I don't think)
Tristan Oliver they used red flags.
i cannot begin to describe the warm feeling i get from watching your videos, you are genuinely amazing my dude. Please become a teacher
Is it true tank commanders could tell the driver when to turn by kicking him in the shoulders?
Depends on the tank
In some tanks, yes. I think nudges were preferred to kicks.
Only in smaller tanks. Churchills and Shermans are too large for that. It works brilliantly in things like BT tanks though!
Rodrigo Ugarte
Mainly the Germans used that setup of having the commander in the turret and the driver under him or near his feet so he could give a little nudge and the shoulder of the driver to tell him where to go
Theres a US training video somewhere that show the commander of a Stuart light tank doing just that.
These videos are great. The scale models provide a really nice visual and make it so much easier to imagine what you're talking about.
Lovely set of models, great topic, thanks for posting.
I played a tank operation with an ARMA-community a few years ago with three radios set up like this. To remember witch radio to send on was a constant issue for most commanders. It was pretty hilarious when the company commander shouted at the top of his lungs to some platoon commander that he hadn't listen to him, only problem was that the company commander had given instruction and corrections on the wrong channel all the time. It did work out in the end though and it was great fun.
Platoon doesn't seems to work in world of tanks because it increases 99% chance of getting shot by SPG
also a considerable increase in teamkilling ocurrence, either by frustration or accident
Yep, WoT, that famously realistic game.
It's actually pretty effective.
The SPG isn't what you should be worried about, it's those damn Japanese heavy tanks.
Ifly 777 play War Thunder instead. Realistic or Simulator game mode.
Used to be a tank troop (platoon) commander. This was a good video. In Canada we have four tank in a troop, and you work in pairs. If you have three tanks you have the troop commander directing one pair of tanks that provide each other with mutual support. If you have four, the troop commander directs two pairs of tanks, him being a member of one pair. It would be interesting to see how it worked when you started to loose tanks and and a troop would be down one, two or more tanks.
I remember talking about tank tactics with one of my regiments veterans who had served in northern Europe during WW11, and an interesting comment he made was that the only time they had a formal "Orders Group" which is standard in peacetime and how we are supposed to operate all the time was before getting off the boat going to France. After that everything was done on the fly.
Can we do Navy next? I know most people know this already, but I still would like to see it.
The great state of Texas loves your work lindybirge
03:05 we(IDF armor) still use flag signals for some things today. I'm sure other western armies use them too.
2:56 French waving flags? I bet we can all guess what color the flags were.
What did the brits do in Dunkerque? lol
Without the bravery, and, fighting spirit of the French rear-guard action at Dunkerque, the entire BEF would have been killed, or, spent the rest of the war in German POW camps.
Original.
White?
Pirate flags?
Great video again, Lloyd! This kind of video really bridges the gap between 'small history', i.e. the tales of individual soldiers (small history isn't really a good term, as these stories are immensely important, but hey) and 'big history', the tales of leaders, generals and offensives. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have some scissors to run with.
Tanks operate within a cavalry like structure. Troops, Squadrons, etc.
Except Tanks can handle being Heavy and can take a Beating and still keep going,and Tanks dont get Spooked at a 1 inch Bumb among Grass
@@siva4wotblitzhero531 Yes, tanks aren't horses. News to me.
Some do, some don't. In the US Army, tanks operated in Battalions, Companies and Platoons. Cavalry operated in Squadrons, Troops and
I saw the title and my first thought was "YEEESSS" Thank you Lindy, what a wonderful thing to wake up to on a Saturday. :)
has modern tech changed the usual tank platoon? I imagine communication is different by now.
ruolbu todays communication is still the same, with the intern, alfa and bravo nets. But the intern net is always on. The other nets you have to push in a button to speak on, and when you release the talk button you go back to the intern net again.
Is it possible today to speak and hear at the same time?
Phillip Nimphius there can only be one talking in the alfa or bravo net at the time so no, but at the intern net everyone can talk at the same time
thats still not possible, but through the use of triplexers you can monitor up to three radios at the same time or talk on one and receive on the others using one antenna. but you cannot receive and transmit on the same frequency at the same time.
to talk and hear on the same frequency would be like shining a flashlight in your eyes while looking for other lights behind it. essentially every thing gets drowned out by your own transmission unless another radio is powerful enough to 'burn through'
ahh thank you
Enlightening, entertaining video as usual! I'm pretty sure the Americans had 4-tank platoons during WWII, in sections of two, with the platoon sergeant taking the second section. Postwar, we used 5-tank platoons, in two sections; a three-tank 'heavy' and a two-tank 'light'. This was popular, since it gave great operational flexibility. With the much more expensive M1 Abrams, platoons went to 4 tanks.
Besides chatter on the wrong channel, a 'stuck mike' (where the transmit button is inadvertantly pressed and held--or jammed--down) could be a ddisaster, since it shuts down comms for everyone on freq and in range.
A running joke with crew commanders was if the intercom was down, we were to grab the pickaxe handle from the vehicle kit to control the driver with pokes and smacks. You couldn't do it in most AFVs that we operated, but . . .
That's not a joke, I did that many times in the 1980s. In the FullTrack vehicle I used then the switchbox waas mounted on the engine bulkhead and became quite hot after a while causing the isolation of the wiring to become brittle and fail and short out at the most inopportune moment.
wasn't that how the Soviet tank commanders communicated with their driver?
@@buckplug2423 In early tanks like the BT they would kick their shoulders to indicate the direction to go, I cant tell you any more about it though.
Bravo! Great video. Educational, informative, interesting, I like it. I also appreciate not having shoehorned sponsors in it.
Same problem with the radios happen in planes. It's very embarrassing to hit VHF and tell tower something you meant to tell approach on UHF.
I really enjoyed this video. Keep it up! I love the tank/ platoon/tactics explanation
Each platoon leader has to constantly monitor command (B Channel in Britain?) to receive orders. No multi-band duplex radios in WWII. And thank you for the poppy.
Siesta Time Remembrance Day for Commonwealth countries. Veterans day for you guys.
I'm not so sure about that. The SCR 528 as found in US tanks had a second receiver-only set. I would presume this would work similarly to the B radio in a modern tank: You could hear both channels at once, but transmit only on one.
Nicholas, do you agree with Lloyd about the 17 pounder??
Hail to the chief!
hollo bolo, 3RTR you may brew up.
your show of support for veterans is appreciated 👍
Or as WW2 British tank commander Lieutenant Ken Giles so eloquently put it: “The 75[mm] is firing. The 37[mm] is firing but is traversed round the wrong way. The Browning is jammed. I’m saying ‘Driver, advance!’ on the A set and the driver, who can’t hear me, is reversing. And as I look over the top of the turret and see twelve enemy tanks fifty yards away, someone hands me a cheese sandwich.”
Now I'm hungry.
as always Lindy, fantastic little insights which make history a delight
Would love to see your review and further commentary of the movie Fury (or any other tank movie)
darknecropsy Fury was a disappointment :(
It was nice to see the Tiger 131 working, but the """"tactics"""" presented are painful and the characters/story were too miserable for me to care.
remember it's a movie about Brad Pitt, not a movie about tanks.
***** yet it's exactly what they did at times. Not because they liked to, but because it was the only way to get that Tiger, seeing as they lacked weapons that could reliably take one out from outside its gun's range. And with the numerical superiority the allies had, they could afford to lose 5 tanks for every Tiger or Panther they killed.
***** in the movie, which was a horrible portrayal of tank tactics anyway, maybe. In reality, that option wasn't often there. The speed of advance had to be kept up, the terrain might not have been suitable, etc. etc.
That's what led to Market Garden and its inevitable failure. The armoured column that was to relief the paras at Arnhem got bogged down (literally) because all the ground except a single road was impassible to their heavy vehicles, causing their advance to take too long to reach the city.
Something Montgommery was warned about both by locals and by others in the allied chain of command, but he chose to ignore those warnings. One of Monty's many mistakes.
Nice video, your description of how a unit operates is actually very close from what I could experience during my mandatory service !
lyndi... i love when you go full nerd
hey, lindy! I am a swiss tank soldier and I really loved that video. you'd be surprised how many things you mentioned still apply today.
But did those tanks fight in individual duels?
Tanks are organized into platoons for the same reason that infantry are organized into platoons; if you try to lone-wolf it, you'll get flattened.
I know mate haha, it's just that Lloyd hates the whole "dueling" system in movies, that's the aim. Of course not even in modern battlefields individuals fight by themselves!
Jonathan Hughes There's a Gurkha in Afghanistan you need to apologize to.
They weren't supposed to, but like in so many things in war, sometimes shit happens. You're the only one left in your platoon, or you get separated from your platoon, or an enemy tank pops up from a concealed position and no one else has a shot or room to maneuver to help you, etc.
You mean japanese samurai style? With katana scythes attached to wheels for side-swee.. I should stop now before it's too late.
Thank you for this. Very concise but good-humored.
Lindy is horrible, oh wait, I meant to tune this to the A set. Lindy not talking about you. Nothing here.
JENKINS! I NEED A COURT MARSHAL!
AND HOPEFULLY A FIRING SQUAD!
I'd just like to say that this is one of my favorite channels. Keep up the great work good sir.
Up next: Lindybeige reviews Girls und Panzer.
He should. Then anime, in general.
Rodrigo Ugarte I was going to say that XD
We should make a petition.
The movie. I'll fakin buy him a copy and send it to him.
*****
QQ moar pls.
The only main difference between the British and American system, was the Americans tended to field five (5) Tanks in a platoon. This allowed the Platoon leader, usually a Lieutenant, to coordinate the actions of the other four, who in addition to fighting German Units acted as wingmen when something really nasty showed up. Like a King Tiger. And yes they were called Ronson Lighters for a very good reason. Americans logistics command at the start of the war wanted to keep a similarity of fuels between platforms. Which meant the American Tanks were gasoline fueled, and not diesel fueled like German tanks. ( diesel doesn't readily catch fire and burn like gas does.)-Love the presentation!
17 pounder had troubles with cracking Panthers hull and King Tigers.
I read AIDS rounds.
I'm not sure if there's any account of a 17 pounder shooting at the front of a tiger 2's turret with APDS; but the numbers say it'd be able to penetrate it well. I'm also not happy saying that the 17 pounder could penetrate the front of the panthers hull with standard APCB. Of course the sides are a relative piece of cake with both tanks (especially the panther).
Yes, at distance, the 17 pdr went through the front of a Tiger II about half the time.
Lindybeige With what ammunition? And do you mean the front of the turret, or the hull?
Lindybeige it mostly depended on who got the first aimed shot of tho, you wouldnt want a German 75 hitting you at all.
First person I've ever heard mention the book "Mailed Fist". Favorite from my childhood. Keep on...
Very interesting indeed! But I wonder. Would I have to tune in to the B set to hear commands from Regiment? or would I be only sending on IC, A or B but receiving all channels?
If I remember well, the commander could hear all messages and the 3 way switch only controlled the sending.
In my artillery vehicle (I was a forward observing officer) I had Intercom, artillery-channel, supported-battalion-channel and a "receive only" higher echelon set.
I enjoyed this video. Please keep making vids where you chat in detail about things that interest you. and please feel free to make them as long as you like.
Unfortunately a spandau can absolutely decimate any tank platoon.
So long as they don't have a katana
Japanese tanks were known to have Mad Max style bull-bars made of katanas. They would come out from the water and be all like "サプライズ、母親のファック!" ripping through ships, aircraft and infantry alike. They were the reason the US needed to start dropping H-Bombs.
I served as a CV9030 commander in the Finnish army and I can confirm that the mix up with the intercom and radio did indeed happen to most of us. It happened to me during a stressful and large military exercise when I spotted the Leopard 2s of the "enemy" and naturally wanted to "tactically retreat" to a better position. The company got a big kick out of my increasingly desperate pleads to my driver to back out, it took me quite a while to realize my error and I went from calm to desperate and from desperate to furious. Luckily I wasn't the only one who did this, but that didn't relieve much of the embarrassment in the moment...
Through mud and blood.
SuperCuck! Fear naught.
To the green fields beyond.
SuperCuck! roll on Nov 20th
The ghosts in the dessert
The birds in the sky
And the rats in the mud
BEIGE!!! This video is fitting as it is around Remembrance Day, being about the military. Regards from Canada.
my great grandfather was able to destroy a whole platoon of tanks with just a spandau with a katana bayonet
Garith Jones but did he unscrew a pommel from katana and ended tank platoon rightly?
That's nothing! My Grandaddy wiped out an entire battalion in one sitting by firing flaming scythes out of a longbow, while holding it sideways!
Imagine Sherman with Spandau at the top and Katana at the front as kind of bayonet.
Aleksandar Savic and manned by beserekers !!!!
I personally don't see why people used tanks in WW2. Didn't they know cavalry, especially horse archers, were much more effective?
From what I remember from overseas, neutral position was internal comms, toggle up (had to told it up) was external comms, and toggle down (it stuck in that position) was microphone off. MRAP in Iraq
"17 pounder was a contender for the best Anti-Tank gun" not particularly. when testing the weapon the US Army found that after about 1500 meters 1 in 5 rounds hit the target. where as the 76mm US gun on the same range at the same distance hit with 4 of the 5 rounds fired.the 17 pounder has very good penetration with the late 44 early 45 sabot ammunition.
Depended on the ammo used. The 17pdr was perfectly accurate with some types of ammo, but the discarding sabot rounds had reliability issues with long-range accurate shots.
and the apds shots were only in short supply
the german l/70 74mm kwk42, the american 76mm and the british 17pounder had all around the same performence
As a German, I have to mention the 7,5 cm Kwk 42 (L/70) here.
This was a great video. He really embodied the essence of the battlefield difficulties.
You really need to do a video comparing the 17pd and 76mm US guns. Then again, seeing the Bren/MG arguments still raging, maybe not.
I really enjoyed your Company and Platoon videos. Thanks for sharing this info
Aw...
I misread the title as "Tank Pantaloons"
I have some tank pantaloons from the surplus store. Couldn't tell you what army surplused them or when, but they've got a number of pleats and zippers to make sure they're snugly-fitted inside a cramped vehicle, and they're far too light and thin to have belonged to an airman. Definitely tank (or other vehicle crew) pantaloons. Unfortunately I will not be making a video for you.
@@johnladuke6475 "Unfortunately I will not be making a video for you." Rude!
Thanks kindly. :) Dad was a tank commander with the GGFG in WWII.
lit fam
JesusFriedChrist k
Lloyd, I loved your Crossfire videos. Please do more! Your channel is the best.
No, I never broke "text discipline" l. So I can never be tank commander? T_T
ScienceDiscoverer you must be an aussie infantry section commander
You're just very good. I watched you immediately and you this really helps one feel better.
Yeah, in detail, though, it makes a lot of sense to have an artillery tank in reserve or behind, if it is not the command tank.
Nicholas Moran, a historian and ex tanker working for wargaming NA once gave a little presentation on myths about american armor in WW2. In that he mentioned that the platoon size there was 5. Could the number of tanks in a platoon have varied from nation to nation?
He specifically mentioned it, like everything else is different in different Nations.
German medium tank platoons were also 5 tanks, Soviet medium platoons were 3 tanks.
Mr. Lloyd, another very interesting and excellently delivered video... 'tanks' for that
Open radio errors .. its still an issue in Aviation in 2019!
Christ Loyd, I needed that bit of sense and sanity this morning!
Where can I buy a Brodie helmet like yours?
+1 for more videos on these topics; you're showing me a side of the Great War and WWII I never considered.
And I'm an historian. . . granted of Latin America, but still . . .
What's the rose/ribbon he wears?
It's a poppy, for armistice day.
Tripticket Poppy, it's a commonwealth thing for rememberance
It's a poppy, November 11th is Remembrance Day, think Veterans Day in the States.
Its a poppy flower. Its how commonwealth sign for remembering the fallen.
poppy