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- The mission of OpenBazaar is to give everyone in the world "the ability to directly engage in trade with anyone in the world for free," says Brian Hoffman, the project's 33-year-old project leader.
A peer-to-peer network for selling goods online, OpenBazaar runs on open source software that users download and install on their computers, which is similar to a BitTorrent client. The client connects them to the OpenBazaar network, where they can trade with other users. It's like eBay without eBay. All items are paid for using bitcoin.
"OpenBazaar doesn't have a central point of failure," explains OB-1 co-founder Sam Patterson. "Everyone using it is a node in a completely distributed network. If you take one user off the network, it has no impact on any of the other users."
Last year, OB1, the company that's developing the OpenBazaar network, got a million dollars in venture capital from Union Square Ventures, Andreessen Horowitz, and investor William Mougayar.
Since OpenBazaar has no intermediaries and no built in mechanisms for stopping a transaction from taking place, critics say it could become an ideal marketplace for stolen goods and illegal drugs-sort of a decentralized version of Silk Road. Hoffman isn't concerned. "If we work hard to allow users to self-police, to do things legally, properly, easily, cheaply," he says, "they will rush in and overwhelm whatever could possibly come in from the dark side of the internet."
Approximately 9 minutes.
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We still need to break Ross Ulbricht out or prison. Nothing makes more angry than thinking about that kid and his life sentence.
If by some miracle Gary Johnson wins in Nov., he might very will issue Ulbricht a pardon.
It's absurd that he can get a life sentence for other people's actions, yet confirmed pedophiles and rapists don't even get that.
Jill Stein as well would be likely to pardon his "crimes"
I was just thinking the same thing.
The key phrase if "decentralized". Decentralized market (and monetary transaction) makes it harder for government to regulate.
I love uncentralized markets!
Peter Dahlen it's called decentralized fyi
The Craigslist of Free Global Market! Bravo Guys!
OffTheGrid Craigslist doesn't facilitate distant transacting.
Well explained. Great job!
Thanks for making this video, informative.
Welcome to the future!
I downloaded the app and tried it. Theres not alot for sale on it and the user experience sucks right now...
@10:41 Andres's book! Haha he has that!
great platform!
How can you know if you are not being scammed, since everything is annonymous, they can have a certain product at a fair price, you pay for it and they never send it.
Escrow and feedback ratings, same as eBay
Hurray!!!
Does it have a zcash option?
It does now! :)
What incentives who to run the blockchain?
OpenBazaar doesn't run it's own blockchain. Google "OpenBazaar Protocol" for a detailed description of how it works.
(I know this is a year old, I wrote this mostly in case someone else stumbled upon this and got confused)
Are they going to go open public?
So after this video I decided to download it and try it. Not ready for prime time. It lacks any rudimentary product search feature. You appear to be able to only search single search terms, in the form of social media like hashtags. Terrible. I couldn't find anything that I wanted. Maybe there just aren't enough sellers yet. I don't know. Back to Amazon for me.
Try again
No Android app? How long has this been a thing??
It sounds kinda cool, but how will the company make money? Even if they start inserting adds, since the code is open, someone can make a version that takes the adds out.
OpenBazaar is not a company. It's an open source project. This means that it's supported by volunteers as well as corporate-funded developers. It's possible to make money working on FOSS if your contributions are recognized as valuable enough to merit funding from an investor who's looking to change your development priorities to suit their own interests.
Jon Okay. Thanks for the info. I don't know why I thought this was a business enterprise.
How does one get a bitcoin?
Has anyone used it? Or bought anything?
We need social media in this
but how do I guarantee I'm sent my cookies or get a refund if I make a payment to an individual seller in say china?
Reputation. Sellers that fail to deliver will be outed, and lose business. Sellers that consistently meet or exceed expectations will gain positive reputations and receive more business. Buy from sellers with good reputations, and avoid those with no, or negative, reputations unless you're willing to take the risk.
Would you buy someones car? I mean is just hard on that point at least there are guarantees with eBay and PayPal, and face to face you can well it's obvious. Just sayin
+Erik Manning All marketplaces eventually rely on reputation. How do you know that eBay or PayPal will honour those guarantees? Because they have built a reputation for doing so. It's the same thing for the individual sellers listing on eBay, or potentially on open bazaar. You can be assured that they will deliver the goods because they have an established reputation for doing so. Without that reputation they lose their customers due to lack of trust. A certain degree of risk is inevitable when dealing in a marketplace, and as such, a certain degree of trust is necessary, you just have to be smart about choosing which risks to take and who to trust.
There are just no third parties interested in keeping it legit, I agree with you but the whole point is average Joe to average Joe and the scam rate with new devices, new accounts ect would make the sites reputation kinda poor inherently. Just my honest opinion
+Erik Manning Both the legitimate customers, and legitimate sellers are interested in preventing scams, since those scams hurt both of them. The easiest way to keep from being scammed is to learn how to spot one. It follows that the best way to prevent them in an open bazaar style marketplace is to make them easy to spot, and the best way to do that is to identify the trusted merchants. It's hardly a new idea, plenty of forum based online exchanges do precisely this. Every time a person upholds their end of the transaction, the other party rates them as being trustworthy. Highly rated sellers have a very strong incentive to maintain that rating or they lose all their customers. Don't want to get scammed? Don't buy from unknowns with no rating. Simple. And if you do choose to take that risk, caveat emptor applies. You don't need someone to hold your hand through everything, you just need to take some very basic precautions.
It's all fine and dandy, but what do you do if you buy something and the person selling it doesn't deliver?
You give that seller a bad review, just like you would on eBay or any other place. And now you or other people will not buy from him.
Except on those places the identity of the person is known, and you could sue them if they don't deliver.
256shadesofgrey Really? What sort of item would you sue for? Are you going to buy a $50,000 car on OpenBazaar? And why would someone who worked for a flawless feedback score want to screw you?
And lastly, why use the service if you don't trust the sellers? Just stay on eBay.
You don't have a flawless feedback score when you just register. Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of an open system, effectively promoting a few well-known merchants, and leaving the newcomers unable to compete?
The price that makes it worth suing over is different in each region. If it's an open bitcoin-based system, it's not just the US that will be using it. In fact, I'm not from the US, and suing over a 1000€ PC might be worth it here.
As for staying on ebay, yeah, sure, I was just hoping there was some smart way of dealing with it, but obviously not.
256shadesofgrey You would start with a rating of 0 like you do anywhere else, you have to work your trust up like anybody else, most likely with smaller cheaper sales before someone would trust you with selling them a $1,000 item.
There is simply zero incentive to scam people if you want to have any chance of having a long-lasting success. Sure you might get screwed on one in a thousands purchases, but not much different than doing it the traditional way.
I also want to say I've made many transaction on other decentralised sites with bitcoin, at times hundreds of dollars worth per transaction, and have yet to be screwed over.
In fact, most sellers go out of their way to either refund your money or resend your product because they know trust is of utmost importance and people are naturally hesitant when dealing with new technology and anonymous sellers.
Anyway, cheers.
i dont get whats the point if it isnt anonymizing
They mentioned several examples. If you want to sell something that isn't illegal but is forbidden elsewhere, you can use OpenBazaar (e.g. Redskins jerseys). If you want to sell something but live in a restricted country, you can use OpenBazaar (e.g. an Iranian). It also has the potential for lower transaction fees since there's no VISA or Mastercard intermediaries. You don't have to be pre-approved or subject to expulsion by a governing authority (e.g. you can't get booted out like you can in the eBay and Amazon marketplaces).
But aren't the goods likely to be stopped at customs when you go to import the product? Say if I lived in China and order loads of porn (which is "illegal"), what's the guarantee that some drone working in customs would spot it, note my address and then call the cops?
The fees being that much lower is a big thing. Running an Etsy store and OpenBazaar store, all items are at the very least $4 cheaper if not more on OpenBazaar. Also, seems to be the first bitcoin based market of this size working out that isn't just some browser based site, however OpenBazaar can be seen on the web (using duosear.ch or bazaarbay.org ) and even bought from on mobile devices ("Bazaar Hound" on Android, iOS, and even Microsoft). Anonymity will come, definitely not the priority.
It's only not anonymous by default. But part of the point also is to actually free the market such that people are bypassing controlled systems. It's not really about selling illegal goods and services, per se, but to sell anything you want to anyone you want.
Use a proxy.
Now partnered with litecoin
15 seconds in and I already recognize the voice of Sean Malone. Maybe I've been watching too much of FEE's Out of Frame
The answer is yes....
those liquor apps refuse to work in my area
He did say that names and addresses of buyers and sellers are available to the public. I like the idea of free markets, but governments will want to collect taxes...It would be a great place to start a business. However, some people could cause problems by buying endangered/non-native species. They'll also get themselves in trouble buying non FDA approved meds for cancer, aids, pain, depression, etc. And some will buy weapons.
Reading comments and surprised that not all people that stupid or coward which is quite common, but a lot of interesting comments. Though still a lot people saying things In a bit angry or demeaning manner about stuff they have zero knowledge due to their insecurities and wishful thinking. For instance it is easy to spot people who would not be grateful for a new useful information if it means to lose an argument. Those people are like turtles in progression of understanding and mind evolution. Own worst enemies. Pity. Though positive trend is emerging for inner power and knowledge search among people. Happy to see.
How are regulators thrown off the trail of users when I.P. addresses are visible to the public? Ask these people the hard question Reason. Get your shit together. The world needs this to destroy coercive government.
Can users use a variety of competing currencies? Bitcoin looks highly regulated to me.
If it doesn't, I'd imagine it wouldn't be too difficult to edit OB1's open source code to add that functionality.
Lloyd Cloer No anonymzing capabilities, and no competitive currencies. This isn't disrupting shit then.
It's a work in progress and it's open source. They're currently integrating Tor. And being open source, it's sure to have multiple crytopcurrency options eventually.
wrender Can't come soon enough.
I don't see why not. A seller could require some other form of payment, and provide the various payment button options. There's no central control preventing this, the software just provides an option for bitcoin built in.
First purchase was a laptop, Hmmm did it arrive?,
Can you get your Crypto back?
So for general public stick to ebay and amazon, at least you will get your product
Is a good idea, but without regulating the sell process it can lead to scammers
You can choose a moderator for your transaction. They act as escrow until the transnational parties are satisfied.
do you know if the moderators get conpensated?
Some charge a small fee some don't. Typically, the more reputable ones will take a small cut of the transaction.
***** I dont mean to start a debate, but can you be a bit more exact on what freedoms, this service would provide? Im looking threw it, and for everyday goods, and one time purchases, is not competitive at all, nor convenient, the only use i see for it would be for underground services(not that theres something wrong with that). I feel bazzar is just going to be a trend(maybe) and would be beneficial for etzy like business. Plus bitcoin is not stable.
True. Nothing is foolproof. But I think the real thing that will limit its use, is that it's bitcoin only - which is why users will come up with their own alternative payment options, as was common with ebay early on. But since their is no authority to squash it, alternative payments will become the norm.
Miss quoting Scarlet O'Hare from Gone with the wind, As God is my witness I shall never go without Free Markets Again!!
As a system's analyst - I LOVE the entire paradigm that is Open Bazaar. I see a level of planning and brilliance that I seldom see elsewhere - even in the current field that is crypto development. THIS is going to be a disruptive tech! Nice! And fistfulls of kudos to the developer/s! As this market evolves, - I see an eventual and indisputable upcoming need for absolute privacy. When that becomes a feature - I hope OpenBizaar will seriously evaluate any Anon-Crypto that it chooses to implement. I say this because the market is currently biased toward Zcash and that bias is NOT based on the project merits. Zcash has a serious hole in the protocol referred to as "toxic-waste" by developers and as a result, I don't trust the platform. But why should I need to when a much better protocol and coin are available: Zcoin. Please look into these matters when OpenBazaar gets to the "next phase". And as always - best wishes.
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How is Open Bazaar doing these days?
closed, can't run without collecting fees at all
Soooooooo...
Silk Road 2: Electric Boogaloo
Should I say openmyass😂. Where are they now?
OB1. - just wanted to say this.
Don't critic the platform but the user :)
Does that apply to slave trade and nuclear weapons too?
Kind of a flawed logic.
@@Thor.Jorgensen I mean if the user was against it wouldn't have happened
@@timaebi7540 Alright, so I can just enslave you without any criticism directed at me?
You're not the user, I am not the user. Whoever buys you will be the user. Therefore neither you nor anyone else can criticize me.
Does that sound logical?
@@Thor.Jorgensen I'm talking about the end user. If the end user knows that the product is made from slaves he won't buy it. Companies wanna sell stuff so they don't use slaves anymore. The thing is slavery back than was accepted buy the majority of the people.
@@timaebi7540 Right. I get that. But you're still leaving out an important piece here.
By your logic, whoever is selling slaves is innocent while whoever buys the slave is the one to blame.
Is it still okay for a company to advertise selling people as slaves and offering people up for sale? Is it only the customer who is to blame, or does the person selling the immoral product also share some guilt?
Is the slaver innocent?
I don't know how many more ways I can word this for you to understand.
I really can't imagine how this would be a marked improvement over eBay or alibaba. The only sector that would benefit from this is the black market. There would be very little benefit from such a marketplace.
I used to sell small consumer electronics on eBay. SD card readers and LEDs. eBay fees took ~4.5% of what I made. Now that I sell on OpenBazaar, operating cost is $5 a month, and there are zero fees. I'm benefiting an I'm not dealing in the black market.
I've sold a very limited amount on ebay. But the ebay fees combined with the paypal fees, are something like 15% from my recollection. That's more than enough to kill marginal businesses.
Nice, only maybe add 'regular' paying options, like PayPal.
I agree, but really, there's nothing that prevents that. Since there is no authority brokering transactions, a seller can demand payment in any form they desire. They'd just have to find a way to communicate the payment information privately (email, text, or *gasp* telephone).
Sites like paypal can (and in the past have) rescinded their service from sites, or even countries they (or the US gov) doesn't want.
Paypal would never provide merchant services for OB because of what they allow to be sold... this is part of the reason OB/Bitcoin exist.
OB isn't a merchant. It's just software. Merchants who use OB can use whatever their normal payment methods are, but the transaction has to be client to merchant and not through the platform.
Nope not a chance! FUCK PAYPAL with a burning vengeance! I'd say bitcoin and cryptocurrencies is a regular payment option, you are talking about adding a wierd one! Astronomical fees, a middle man that can block, censor, or reverse transactions, and just being a federal reserve corrupt perpetual debt global enslavement system supporting too? No... just no... NOT ANYMORE! Get some crypto! Low fees, fast transactions (compared to bank wires or ACHs of days and days OR NEVER if they don't like you), and IRREVERSIBLE transactions! Once it's done, its done! No middle man capable of reversing shit
Openbazaar is way too slow to be usable. The number of users has dropped dramatically too, only 394 users worldwide in the last 8 days. The speed at which openbazaar works is putting most people off. It’s also not as secure as a lot think either, I’ve had my personal ip leaked while using through tor and also had it leaked while using a vpn. It has the potential to be successful and become the next big thing, but only if the devs put the time in to address a lot of issues. Unfortunately the issues have been around a long time and so far the devs have done nothing to address the issues, which is always a bad sign and usually means something probably won’t be around much longer.
Mostly a lot of drugs, it'd be great if it could expand beyond that.
i need 4 drugs pls.
The current OpenBazaar Windows installer doesn't work, so I have a feeling we may be jumping the gun a little
Anyone else think this is just the new silk road same as the old silk road.
it is the new silk road. like the devs said its like torrents but for trading physical goods. And what are torrents most used for? Piracy, so this new trading platform will be used for illegal goods.
+TentaclePentacle Got any proof that most torrents are illegally used?
Also even if it was, does that mean the technology can't be used for good?
+Eileen the Crow
find me a legal torrent, and I will match it with 100 illegal ones.
How? There's no central site. There's no central way to stop it.
+TentaclePentacle
Bulletproof evidence. I guess It would be a funny exercise though because you'd die long before completing that list.
“We know what you’re thinking”.... actually I was wondering how you prevent and prosecute human trafficking.
Oh brother stfu
@@XaYaZaZa fr
*Q:* What's the difference between an anarchist and a toddler?
*A:* Trick question!
This so going to end up badly. We created governments thousands of years for a reason even if they are corruptible. This new un-governmental system is even more corruptible than before.
we created representative government because we did not enjoy a monarch. representatives were needed because you could not take time from working to go to capital and argue your opinion and vote. internet makes it easier to communicate the quality of goods and services so you have less fraud going on so free markets are getting better all the time.
You did not create anything, the governmental system was forced onto you and you have no choice to be part of it or not, so please don't generalise for everyone.
willystshirtfactory Representatives don't change their mind as much as the average person does because it's their job to process things through. If the average person did start voting and stuff like in a true democracy and things would not get done because everyone would change their minds so often.
German Carranza
if they are so bad at thinking how could they think of the best candidate to run the government? look at the 2 candidates we have now. chosen by 14% of the population.
+willystshirtfactory OK so how do you expect for everyone to start doing everything without the government
President Trump,
say it with a smile.
Decentralized unregulated international trade.
😉
openbazaar is pretty dead sadly. F