The neon flicker flame bulbs have a truly random flicker pattern because the electrodes are never exactly the same shape, they're constantly and steadily having minuscule bits and pieces stripped off them over time. And then you factor in other random variables like the lighting level in the room, the shuffle of static electricity, other EMF sources, the tiny variances in the power signal that comes into your house and anything else that could affect the ionization rate of the neon gas inside the bulb and you never truly get the exact same flicker pattern. It's crazy to think about.
It wouldn't be rocket science to make the LED flicker bulbs effectively be random. If the pattern would repeat after, lets say, 4096 combinations of LEDs lit, just adding some noise and a lot of drift could make it look random to the eye.
I think my favorite flameless candle type is the luminara candle. It’s a bit of flat plastic that kind of wobbles around and there’s a warm white light sitting under it. The effect is random like a flicker flame but has the advantages of LED
I feel everyone here is missing the benefits of these. I have similar bulbs in some outdoor wall lights because I want some actual light output. The neon flicker flame bulbs are neat and I did try them initially but the neons are decorative only.
Very nice! To me, the old neon type is so much nicer. But maybe that is just because I am old. Imagine they would have banned all them wax candles and mushroom gas heaters in the greater L.A. area? Of course everybody wants the "smell" of a Gwyneth Paltrow candle....
Nice! To me, I think that both the LED and the neon flicker flame bulbs are neat. That's just my opinion. I love all the light bulbs and fixtures that are out there. Thanks for sharing and have a great weekend!
Yeah, I can’t say I would buy one to replace a neon lamp. If they had both sides coated thickly I would use them as night lights in the steady mode, but that’s about it.
Actually these bulbs are great for use in window candles as unlike the old neon ones they are bright enough to be visible from the street both night and day, and their color temperature is much closer to an actual flame than the neon orange ones. I switched out all 9 of my orange neon window lights to these bulbs about a nonth ago and really like the look from the street much better
It is a good idea but they got some things wrong. 1) The flicker pattern is not a pretend random thing so it doesn't look like a real flame. 2) It is much too yellow. Neon ones are too far over into the red but these LED things are too yellow. 3) They should have done something to send more light out the edges of that internal PCB that makes it go. Perhaps some reflective material down the center line of the plastic with the phosphor in it could have done this.
That new LED flicker flame is just too periodic for me. I would like to see a bit more randomness, which I have seen in other brands. I think I would probably just put it in steady mode and forget that it was a decorative bulb.
@@Warp2090 yes, recently I have discovered led lights in very high temperature ovens and home appliances ovens too, I am sure they know what they’re doing but rly? What they are gonna save 20/40 watts on a 3000 watts appliance which by the way get turned on at max 45 minutes and for most ppl not even every day? I like leds if used correctly but since they got very cheap to use in most applications and have made not replaceable leds this is heaven for most manufacturers!
Not to mention that the effect on these is not nearly as good as the real flicker flames. And then there’s the quality issue with the bright side and dim side.
@rs12official I don't believe there is any quality issue, the difference between brightness from one side to the other is due to the LEDs being on one side only, an actual advantage in my use in window candles as I position the bright side facing out the window to make more visible from far away and the dimmer side facing into the house which is nicer than a bright light
Pattern is WAY too repetitive. The overall brightness thrown on the wall ramps up and down like an LED with a bad driver that resets every second. Hard pass.
Also these bulbs actually only consume 1/3 of a watt as measured on the kilawatt meter and have a rated life of 15,000 hours compared to the old neon orange ones 1,000 hour rated life, significant if you run them dusk to dawn daily in window candles like i do
My neighbor did it too but they all come on at the same time and their patterns always match and it looks super tacky because no 9 candles would ever have identical flames constantly!!!!!
The neon flicker flame bulbs have a truly random flicker pattern because the electrodes are never exactly the same shape, they're constantly and steadily having minuscule bits and pieces stripped off them over time. And then you factor in other random variables like the lighting level in the room, the shuffle of static electricity, other EMF sources, the tiny variances in the power signal that comes into your house and anything else that could affect the ionization rate of the neon gas inside the bulb and you never truly get the exact same flicker pattern. It's crazy to think about.
It wouldn't be rocket science to make the LED flicker bulbs effectively be random. If the pattern would repeat after, lets say, 4096 combinations of LEDs lit, just adding some noise and a lot of drift could make it look random to the eye.
@@kensmith5694 if corporations had souls they would make the flame bulbs random
@@Jwalk-v9k If it repeated after 16 million seconds, that would be good enough,.
the pattern is repeating, unlike the neon -
I think my favorite flameless candle type is the luminara candle. It’s a bit of flat plastic that kind of wobbles around and there’s a warm white light sitting under it. The effect is random like a flicker flame but has the advantages of LED
Yes, those ones can look very much like a real flame from a distance.
I feel everyone here is missing the benefits of these. I have similar bulbs in some outdoor wall lights because I want some actual light output. The neon flicker flame bulbs are neat and I did try them initially but the neons are decorative only.
Very nice! To me, the old neon type is so much nicer. But maybe that is just because I am old. Imagine they would have banned all them wax candles and mushroom gas heaters in the greater L.A. area? Of course everybody wants the "smell" of a Gwyneth Paltrow candle....
Nice! To me, I think that both the LED and the neon flicker flame bulbs are neat. That's just my opinion. I love all the light bulbs and fixtures that are out there. Thanks for sharing and have a great weekend!
Yeah, I can’t say I would buy one to replace a neon lamp. If they had both sides coated thickly I would use them as night lights in the steady mode, but that’s about it.
Actually these bulbs are great for use in window candles as unlike the old neon ones they are bright enough to be visible from the street both night and day, and their color temperature is much closer to an actual flame than the neon orange ones. I switched out all 9 of my orange neon window lights to these bulbs about a nonth ago and really like the look from the street much better
LEDs are surface mounted on a circuit board, one side will always be brighter.
When I was a kid the Armenian church my family attended had the old flicker flame bulbs in fixtures on the alter.
Tried to pull a fast one on God by using fake candles, huh?
It is a good idea but they got some things wrong.
1) The flicker pattern is not a pretend random thing so it doesn't look like a real flame.
2) It is much too yellow. Neon ones are too far over into the red but these LED things are too yellow.
3) They should have done something to send more light out the edges of that internal PCB that makes it go. Perhaps some reflective material down the center line of the plastic with the phosphor in it could have done this.
That new LED flicker flame is just too periodic for me. I would like to see a bit more randomness, which I have seen in other brands. I think I would probably just put it in steady mode and forget that it was a decorative bulb.
Big fan of the filcker flame bulbs Also could you do a video on the American DJ BLACK-24BLB 24" Black Light Fixture if you have one
Idk these seems a bit unnecessary, the flicker isn’t that great they are brighter but honestly forcing leds for every application is a bit excessive
Yeah the trend of making everything LED is honestly dumb in my opinion
"If you are unsure, just add LEDs!" seems to be the thought that manufacturers have these days.
@@Warp2090 yes, recently I have discovered led lights in very high temperature ovens and home appliances ovens too, I am sure they know what they’re doing but rly? What they are gonna save 20/40 watts on a 3000 watts appliance which by the way get turned on at max 45 minutes and for most ppl not even every day?
I like leds if used correctly but since they got very cheap to use in most applications and have made not replaceable leds this is heaven for most manufacturers!
@ LED's are not made for ovens too. So they fail faster, making you buy more.
Prefiero seguir con las de antes
Los led no me convencen
LED is 1.5W vs 3W for the old style. What is the point? This will be on clearance in less than a year LOL
Not to mention that the effect on these is not nearly as good as the real flicker flames. And then there’s the quality issue with the bright side and dim side.
@rs12official I don't believe there is any quality issue, the difference between brightness from one side to the other is due to the LEDs being on one side only, an actual advantage in my use in window candles as I position the bright side facing out the window to make more visible from far away and the dimmer side facing into the house which is nicer than a bright light
Brighter. That is if you want some actual light output.
@@lawnmowerdude yup, actually visible from the street when used in window candles fixtures
You might try walmart's brand great value.They have something very similar to that, but I think it's done a little bit better
To much flash and not enough flicker, if i want a strobe light i'll buy a strobe light .
Yo tengo una de neón en mi colección
Si gustas verla tengo un vídeo en mi canal
Pattern is WAY too repetitive. The overall brightness thrown on the wall ramps up and down like an LED with a bad driver that resets every second. Hard pass.
Brazilian 12 year old-kid voice!
Also these bulbs actually only consume 1/3 of a watt as measured on the kilawatt meter and have a rated life of 15,000 hours compared to the old neon orange ones 1,000 hour rated life, significant if you run them dusk to dawn daily in window candles like i do
My neighbor did it too but they all come on at the same time and their patterns always match and it looks super tacky because no 9 candles would ever have identical flames constantly!!!!!
@GOPRepubliklan mine are all on different timers and I don't see the issue you are describing?
@ I wish my nbr would do that!!! She is making neighborhood look like a disco!!!