Grandpa vs. the Slimy Lawyer (with John Heilemann) | The Focus Group Podcast
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- The pundit class thought JD Vance performed better than Tim Walz in the vice presidential debate. Voters thought Vance was a good performer, but they couldn't quite shake their skepticism. Puck News's John Heilemann joins Sarah to review voters' reactions to the VP debate and the history of VP picks more broadly.
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Here is the difference between the two. "If you broke your leg, Tim Walz is the neighbor who comes over to mow your lawn with out being asked, Vance is the guy who will call the HOA to complain that your grass is too long" Vance has had only about 18 months of government service, and, no executive experience. Walz, served in Congress for 12 years, and, had been elected governor twice, and, has served 6 years as governor of one of the best run states in the country.
You forgot 24yrs as a leader in National Guard. 😉 any military service provide great leadership skills.
Vote bLue.. Vote Kamala Harris & Tim Walz.. They offer Joy... Hope... Inspiration and Confidence in the future of America
With a casserole for you
You forget - Geography teacher and cafeteria monitor :) and Gus and Hope's dad♡
And Vance wants to be a breath away from the presidency with less than two years of experience!!
I was a republican. Voted McCain. But when Trumpism took over the party, which happened BEFORE 2016, I felt I could no longer support it. Vance is a symptom. He’s a smarmy liar playing bag man to an orange shmuck.
Vote bLue.. Vote Kamala Harris & Tim Walz.. They offer Joy... Hope... Inspiration and Confidence in the future of America
Ever since 2016 I have voted against the Republican Party, and since we have a binary choice that means voting blue.
@@nataliemcguire766 A non-vote or another vote is 1/2 of a Trump vote!
That is so well said 👍🏼👍🏼
I was supporting McCain in 2000. But the Bush supporters claiming that McCain had a black daughter born out of wedlock seemed to change McCain in some fundamental way that I can't quite articulate. That incident along with the Bush/Cheney presidency really pushed me away from the republican party. I still think of myself as independent, but I can't think of a single republican that I've supported since 2000.
Vance is a sociopath. His insincere sincerity screams Ted Bundy. JD gives me the creeps. Tim Walz makes me want to work for better.
Well stated. 🇺🇸⚖️🗽
I disagree. I think Trump is literally incapable of empathy.
Vance is capable of empathy, but he still chooses his own political advancement over the people he supposedly represents.
great analogy
Have you seen the memes of his picture next to Gacy?? The serial killer??
Yeah JD is a mixture of narcissism, sociopathy, a very deep self loathing, and years of brainwashing and degradation (in every sense) at the hands of true supervillain psychos like Peter THiel and Kurtis Yarvin (and probably certain faculty members of the Ivy League philosophy departments, before that...). Extremely dangerous to other Queer people and women. And everyone, really. JD Vance could be the new J.E. Hoover....
I think it’s a bit unfair to say Tim Walz has disappeared. He has been on the campaign trail doing events and local media spots non-stop since it was announced he was the VP pick. Just because he’s not doing national media, similarly to Kamala Harris, doesn’t mean he’s disappeared.
Agree - I just saw him on a We Walk Dogs episode. They are gonna get all the cat and dog lover votes💙
It’s actually We Rate Dogs channel on TH-cam. 👍
You are right. This fact shows these folks are old school republicans just trying to keep employed.
Exactly. Walz knows his audience is the everyday person, not the media. We need someone that is OF the people and FOR the people. Enough with the nepo baby Suits.
@@No_Name_No_Face_nailed it, touchdown 👻
Vance's biggest mistake is that he's an arrogant a-hole. People see it. He can't change it.
Vote bLue.. Vote Kamala Harris & Tim Walz.. They offer Joy... Hope... Inspiration and Confidence in the future of America
I mean, who the hell can't order donuts. I can understand getting overwhelmed by a Starbucks menu if you aren't a coffee drinker, lattes, macchiatos, cappuccino, americano. Donuts.. seriously donuts. I know you grew up poor Mr. Vance but have you never encountered a donut shop on your time on this planet. Have you never had a donut to know what you like? Even if you aren't then ask, and then someone will just say order 12 glazed donuts, or just say surprise me. I mean.. FFS can't you just say surprise me?! I do it all the time at the dispensary, what do you want? I don't know dealers choice, surprise me...
@@iheartdiscgolf It's not the donuts that were the problem for Vance. It was interacting with humans on a natural level. He's still learning to PRETEND to be human.
Arrogant and fake😂
Trump's not exactly a beacon of humility and kindness, either? Being an arrogant a-hole is kinda paradigmatic of the whole maga movement, I think? And it's definitely a prerequisite to be in trumps inner circle.
JD Vance would deport his wife, kids, in-laws and extended family if he thought it would raise his political strength
He wouldn't even hesitate. He'll tell them it's the best thing for them and he'll try to visit them in India when his schedule allows. That would be the last time they hear from him.
You know
Agree! He has already exposed them all to camping stops where MAGA are already being mean to them. He doesn’t care
You mean, if he thought Trump would approve!...
Based on how he treats his kids, they might be better off. So proud of telling little Vivek to shut up. Shameful.
I trust Walz over Vance every day, all day
Walz is a pathological liar
@@Wesselmania I think you meant Trump is a pathological liar and Vance supports every lie
Thanks for the laugh! 😅 Who admitted he lied and would continue lying for media attention? It wasn't Walz.@Wesselmania
Trump was just proven to lie about hurricane Helene when 4 REPUBLICAN governors gave kudos to Biden for his quick assistance and communication. But sure Walz is a liar🙄
Sorry to be fussy, but you spelled "Vance" incorrectly!..💁🏻♀️
Loved the lady who said she got the sense Vance has three kids, but doesn't know their names or ages.
Glad people saw through him.
Yes! Hilarious assessment.
Certainly doesn’t know their teachers’ names.😠
I wonder if she watches the All In podcast. The four people in that group, at least three of them, are part of those who, along with Peter Thiel, seem to be setting themselves up to be the replacement wealth for the aging out Koch bros and Murdoch. One of the guys is David Sachs who is very smart but seems to have no concern for others. The others tease David about not knowing the names and ages of his kids.
I’ve heard him say “My wife has three kids” not “We have three kids”.
In the debate, he called them beautiful. I didn't think he knew their names either.
My favorite comment I've seen: Vance won the debate, Walz won my vote
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Vote bLue.. Vote Kamala Harris & Tim Walz.. They offer Joy... Hope... Inspiration and Confidence in the future of America
Agreed! 😊
It’s easier to “WIN” if you lie, to abstraction, your assets off😵💫
A Known Pervert, Felon and another Creep, these are going to run our government🤬
Vance has a history of taking debate skill building courses
HE LOST the debate as soon as he was asked about trump winning the 2020 election.
NO REGRETS with Tim. 💙 Harris Walz 2024 for integrity and sanity! 💙🐈😻
Vance said Trump won the election. In public. After the debate.
I don’t need a good debater and smooth talker for my leader. I want someone who has common sense, who is compassionate, truthful and has leadership EXPERIENCE! I hope everyone sees through Vance’s BS. He is such a creep. Walz is the type of person who can relate to our everyday problems and he is compassionate enough to work on those problems for the nation with Kamala.
debate skills are important for our leaders when dealing with the political s in other countries
Shady Vance.
@@judithgalbraith3384honesty , integrity, doing the right thing for the country and getting shit done are far more fucking important than sounding smooth.
Debate skills and communication skills are different. I have seen Walz communicate to people in a non debate setting. He is genuine. Vance is a Keats and a creep. Also foreign leaders know Vance’s type. He will do anything for personal power. He will be manipulated because he has no moral compass!
@@jeanpicard5366 Agree! They should have a “teach a high school civics class live on national TV” match-up. Walz would clean the floor with Vance, and teaching high school is far harder and more valuable than formal debating
I really think the moments of pure terror apparent in Tim Walz' face makes him unbeatably and unmistakably identifiable. He is the most real politician I think I have seen in my 57 years, and the reason nothing sticks is because he is a truly and genuinely good man with a good heart. Vance on the other hand, is like a 50/50 slurry of melted polyester and melted Velveeta cheese. Just completely repulsive to humans.
Oily Vance.
I saw myself in Walz. I had to take a public speaking class in college and I was a hot mess. I'm a straight-A student. I can speak VERY well 1:1 or even to a few people. Put me on a stage by myself and I melt into a puddle.
Despite the fear, he memorized so many facts and still went through with it despite already saying he's not good at debates and knowing JD would lie the whole time. He got through it like a champ.
This debate and this party has never made me love them more- they seem like they are real people. The republicans show Harris dancing with kids and try to make them into pariahs for doing so... I say, bring it on, I LOVE it. I love the new energy. Never seen anything like it. I'm 54 y/o.
Love the image of JD. couldn't have said it better.
He's also a winner. Never lost an election 8-0.
Walz - America's dad;
Vance - your creepy cousin you sit across at Thanksgiving dinner.
Vote bLue.. Vote Kamala Harris & Tim Walz.. They offer Joy... Hope... Inspiration and Confidence in the future of America
😂 It's true though!
Walz is just like Harris. Tells long stories and lies to make himself sound important. Gets caught and lies some more to cover for his lies with more lies. A true Democrat bamboozling his sheeple followers.
And do everything ypu can to avoid sitting next to him.
Well, Donald Trump is a grandpa too. A bad one.
This guy doesn't have a clue. I'm a Social Worker. VP Harris did exactly what I and my colleagues were hoping for in her debate. There comes a time when you have to take the gloves off. That goes for the Vice President debate. And, I'm sick and tired of these supposed swing voters being given the power of deciding who the President and Vice President will be. To heck with them.
Americans, if you believe in freedom, decency, the rule of law, and democracy the choice is clear.
My family and I, my friends and my retired colleagues will be voting for Harris/Walz and Blue down ballot! Women's rights are on the ballot. Our freedoms are on the ballot. Vote 💙🔵🗳️
How do you feel about the fact that Walz and Vance were polite until the last question? When it got to election/democracy, that's the one where Walz used hard words.
I totally identified with Walz's nervousness! I love his authenticity! Vance is a scary, creepy, untrustworthy sociopath.
Just imagine - you've seen JD Vance be creepy, heard his racist lies and misogyny, heard him lie for trump, and then when you meet him he's changed his entire personality - that had to be a little freaky moment for Walz. Secondarily, the way he treated JDV at face value and graciously points to how he will as part of his VP role need to navigate the halls of Congress and be a bipartisan advocate to help promote for a Harris/Walz administration's future policy actions... something he definitely knows HOW to do already!
@@kathharper🎯
I completely disagree about Ukraine. We 100% support Ukraine. Now let's talk about Netanyahu. He's another trump.
Exactly why trump can't get in. Harris is giving signals she would handle bibi differently.
#45 and Bibi are two sides of the same coin.
Ukraine will fall if Trump is elected. Thousands of lives (probably 10's of) are on the line. Please vote for the world!
And we do not have troops on the ground. W. screwed the American people on Afgan. and Iraq
Read up on Fred Trump, Don’s Father. Netanyahu was a personal friend of his. Which is even weirder when you realize he’s younger than Don.
The word for how JD Vance speaks is “CONDESCENDING!” He speaks down to people, and like a snotty teenager. *No offense to snotty teenagers.
Also speaks to lack of emotional intelligence (two-faced liars lack self-awareness or they'd understand the difference between constant lying and genuine truthfulness. Teens lie until they are either mature enough to know that lying is not the best way to get places in this world, so I would say also a case of arrested development on JDV's part. Some part (a tiny one) of me feels a little compassion but the other wants to (metaphorically) punch him in the face for that kind of poor behavior. Tim Walz refrained from too many "metaphorical face punches" during the debate and let JDV hoist himself on his own petard by talking mostly lies. It wasn't what pundits wanted, but was I'd say equally effective and in no way out of Walz's character.
Perfectly put. That is 'exactly' how I see it, except you put it into words. Thank you!
@@Sonyasmythe His arrogance came out so clearly in the Good Liars clip where he said Trump won in 2020 and refused to answer if he would concede if Trump lost in 2024
J.D. VANCE speaks down to people from the VANTAGE POINT OF THE GUTTER.
I really disliked how he called the moderator "Margaret." It had mansplaining energy.
I think the people saying they don't know Harris just don't want to vote for a woman.
Harris has the most government experience historically of all the ppl who ever ran for President, both elected and appointed..
Absolutely! Right on.
And are too cowardly to admit that. I agree. WHich also means they can likely be "shamed" into setting that prejudice aside and voting for her if the right person catches them and talks to them.
I called that out on my male friends and called them misogynistic to their faces. 100% agree with you.
EXACTLY!!
Walz hasn’t gone quiet. His rallies aren’t being covered…Trump and Vance weirdness is taking up all the air in the room
I agree
2016 all over again...just watch.
Yup … I just saw the bus for Walz this week and he went from Harrisburg PA to York to Reading all in two days and then kept going. He is doing rallies like crazy.
Oh trust me, we can't STAND JD Vance. The most insincere clown up there. He's creepy as EFF and I don't want THAT GUY making ANY DECISIONS over my life. Uh uh, no way! But we DO like Tim Walz. He's great and I can TRUST him. I can't trust Vance.
He destroyed your perv timpon walz.
I am an old white guy with a political science degree and a career as an analyst. In his first speech, Walz said everything that I have wanted to say in public for 50 years but was not able.
He resonates with me in ways I had never imagined.
He validates Harris in a way that made her seem extra brilliant.
A teacher, command sergeant major, congressman, governor and a believer in the common good…I cannot imagine a better VP pick!
@WayneHauber Walz does not emanate anyone. He is exactly who he should be... a good man. A man who loves & cares for his family. The same compassion that he looks out for his neighbors with. As a governor, he treats everyone in his state like a neighbor. He's a natural. He can't just come up with that because he is now a VP candidate. He was a well-respected soldier, teacher, coach, advisor, and husband & father because he is a caring human being who has room in his heart for all those who depend on him. His soul is rich in empathy that draws people to him. Yes, he's a natural!! Vote Blue 💙💙💙
No one likes feeling manipulated and that’s the whole Vance vibe. He’s gross.
I think one of the major “ problems “ people have with Harris is her gender. People have inherent biases that they don’t even know they have. If she acted more like a man, she would be criticized. If she’s a regular woman, she’ll be criticized. I’m hoping she wins and changes people’s perceptions.
So true.
Also her colour
Bingo!
Exactly 💯 🎯
That's where the narrative about world leaders not being afraid of her comes from. Like, are other leaders afraid of Trudeau? That's just silly. In most interactions with other leaders it's not about them fearing you anyway, but about dialogue and cooperation.
The neutral focus groups got the vibe better than the pros. Walz won on that respect. More trustworthy. Steadier. Less slimy.
Sarah Palin is the reason I defected from the GOP. She was a gimmick and it made me mad…like they thought I was stupid. I started looking at the party and the people more closely and I got out.
Good for you. Not many will admit that.
I was an independent, not a republican. But Sarah Palin was a tipping point for me, as well. McCain/Obama was a very tough choice for me until she was added to the ticket. That was when it first became evident to me that the anti-education fringe of the republican party was no longer fringe.
He is not too nice. He is just perfect for this climate. Kamala is the one that goes after Trump, and she does a great job. She is the attack dog in this campaign and she is doing phenomena. Wallz doesn't have to do that.
People love him because he's not a jerk.
He is there to support her, period. Vance was auditioning for 2028.
I agree 100%. The issue of Walz being civil and polite is ridiculous. People want to see an honest, decent, and relatable person. The fact that the focus group discusses how phony Vsnce is, Walz crushed it.
Someone who puts their pants on one leg at a time; who buys their own groceries, changes their own oil; takes their kids to fairs or amusement parks; cooks; cleans; served time in the military or waited for the soldier to come home-real people!
For those who don't think we are re-living 1940s Europe, imagine this US supreme court in Nuremberg, ruling "immunity for official acts."
I agree. Hitler failed his first attempted coup. He wrote Mein Kamph in jail. Trump had his Project 2025 ghost written. Hitlar had a better plan. Trump now has a better plan. Both fascist autocrats.
Excellent way to frame it.
To be accurate, it feels more like 1920s and 1930s Europe to me. For any student of history, the similarities between the growth of the Nazis and the MAGA cult are astounding!
Look up the video how the middle class supported Nazi fascism. It is EXACTLY the Trump/Vance playbook!
@@pcbacklash_3261--The brain trust behind MAGA are indeed following that playbook.
No, Walz is not too nice, Kindness is a Human trait. Vance is too Evil.. Good over EVIL ☑🔵
What will stick in people’s minds is Tim Walz, asking „Do you think TFG won the election?“ And JDs answer. This answer said everything about this psycho.💙
Yes, and even more so, now that he says trump won.
That was the line of the night! Nothing else really stood out for me during the debate
Walz is a teacher/coach, they don’t debate they teach. Vance is a lawyer, trained to debate, that’s their job!!
However, lying will get him nowhere, hopefully him and trump continue lying right out of the White House
Vote Harris-Walz & blue down ballot
The things that Walz did in his state I thought were awesome and could translate nationally
The trans kids gender reassignment law?
Shapiro would have been more of the same. She picked Walz to show a contrast & he can work on many things that he did for his state. Picking Sharipo doesn’t automatically give you the State of PA.
Walz-in addition to his many excellent qualities-is the perfect gateway for reticent voters to leave MAGA
Walz has so much more of a broader appeal than Shapiro ever would. Walz was the correct choice!
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I completely agree, Walz is the best choice. 💙 The fact that he was nervous shows that he is a normal, caring person who cares about the opinions of others. And not a slimy person who is only looking out for his own advantage and cheekily lies to the voters in order to achieve his goal.
Brilliant point !! Thank you.
but he appears to extremely popular in pa - an almost must win state. i would have picked him like kennedy picked johnson to get tx votes
I am so tired of hearing "we haven't heard from him" and also similar for Harris as VP BY PEOPLE WHO SHOULD KNOW BETTER. I've heard a lot about Walz since then and Harris did all manner of things that barely got media coverage who were bending backwards to sane wash Trump.
Exactly. He is a viewership cash cow and his extensive coverage normalizing him as a relevant choice handed him 2016. What a different world we'd be living in if the major networks had simply and rightfully dismissed him from the very beginning.
i understand representing the focus group and what there saying but i agree. these pundits know she is doing local, shes been doing multiple events, she did Oprah, she did CNN, shes done podacsts, shes been at the hurricaine sites, she meet with Zelensky...and thats got almost zero coverage. . if the focus group watched this podcast they got no education what Harris as been doing. Just confirmation that they are right. it just feeds into narrative that shes not out there..which is false.
Preach! I can't like both these comments enough. They're not batshit so not getting "national enquirer" soundbytes from them.
@@geekishgir Heilermann comes across as trying too hard to be too cool for school. I really dislike this sort of Pundit.
I think what they are saying is, “Why isn’t Harris coming on my podcast, why isn’t she asking us our opinions, why isn’t she ….. blah blah blah”. As opposed to talking about why aren’t their colleagues doing their GD Jobs!🙄
‘She’s not doing enough’: she’s speaking at 3 rallies a day! Don’t you follow her rallies? Her crowds? Does the mainstream media not carry her??
“Vance had 3 kids but I don’t know if he knows their names.”
What if they are a stunt family???😂 Creepy. The stuff that’s going on.
"These were four years of international stability?" WTF, John! People were dying from Covid! Did we forget about Covid, and Trump's chaotic handling of it?
John Hielemann is an idiot, a washed up "former" republican who thinks Joe Scarborough is funny and smart just so ol' John gets some MSNBC air time.
I think everyone wants to forget Covid - it does seem like a national blind spot in our collective memories.
I'm happy someone else realized that covid was global. So, no there were no wars started under Trump because we were globally locked down. And he failed terribly under the covid crisis. He definitely lost that war.
Stability? he was giving foreign leaders what they wanted. A lot of our intel secrets. And John you should have known that.
On Vance’s comment about women, I found it interesting that he said they need to get women to trust Republicans, not that they should actually earn our trust and be trustworthy
He meant REQUIRE. They will continue to punish women if they don't comply. It will be even worse than it is now post Roe. Today, they are KILLING WOMEN. Tomorrow, it will be worse. Mark my words.
That is an important distinction! And good luck with that from a party that talks out both sides of their mouths about reproductive care for women.
Good point. Coming from Vance that is so on point. Let’s fool women into thinking that we are trustworthy not let’s be trustworthy.
JH what are you talking about? Harris has been doing multiple events , interviews, podcasts, ads, meet n greets every day.
VOTE BLUE!
Plus, she still has her day gig as VP.
EXACTLY! Everytime hear that criticism of VP Harris, I think…. WHAT MORE DOES SHE HAVE TO DO. Also, everyone criticized her for being on the campaign and not at the disaster relief, now they criticize her not being on campaign. WHICH DO YOU WANT??? I will note: I think this discussion was before Hurricane Helene hit because they were referring to the VP debate “being last night”.
Our big problem in our campaigns is mainstream media. The sanewashing of trump by our media is abhorrent. They need to be called out for that by you independents.
Corporate media serves shareholder profits above all. Fox News didn't believe the big lie but they pushed it because it kept their audience's eyeballs. The only real difference between MSNBC and Fox News is their market segmentation strategy.
Vance only fooled those that wanted to pretend to be unbiased and impartial and open minded. He fooled those that were already fools.
You people are totally delusional.😂😂😂
@@colinhughes4799- says a lot about you that you are here and commenting 😂😂😂😂😂
here here
@ItsyBet😅😅😅😂sy365
Walz hasn't been on the campaign trail? I believe he has had more campaigns than any other candidate since he was picked. Yes, he hasn't done many interviews but he's been putting in the work.
Huh?Walz is doing tons of rallies.
These two clowns are washed up "former" republicans trying to comment amidst a sea of B.S spewed by their party.
Ikr?
Sara, I generally love the Bulwark but I’m especially grateful for you and your thoughtfulness, steady-honesty, focus on the data, and open-mindedness. Thank you for all you do.
The Bulwark is just like "air freshener" in an overflowing porta-potty. It is just an unhealthy cover-up of a pile of B.S. that these "former" republicans are putting on the internet so they have a job. They have "sane washed" that party forever and so have enabled this pile of crap since Reagan. Liking these guys is the same as complementing a derelict house because someone just baked cookies.
Walz did the best interview on WeRateDogs channel a few days ago that showed he’s a kind compassionate real person. I love him. JD is a smarmy sociopath.
Sarah, I hope you do run for office at some point. You would have my vote!
I have loved Walz from jump. I grew up in WI and it sure is nice to finally have someone from the forgotten middle of the country to represent us. I’m going to generalize here, but we aren’t slick talkers, wear Armani suits or drive a Maybach, we don’t have degrees from Harvard and Yale. We are pragmatic, honest and compassionate. We bring over a casserole when you’re sick. We shovel your sidewalk just because we were already out doing our own. We mind our own business. Tim is us. I am enthusiastically voting for Harris Walz.
Sarah and John made lots of money consulting in politics...but what they were really doing was polishing turds/candidates, just like Vance's handlers are trying to do. No wonder Sarah and John gave ol' J.D. a high debate score and were surprised folks saw Vance's B.S. in full view. Sarah and John have had to smell so much crap in their jobs, that they don't notice it when it is right under their noses. They are "old school" republicans who are just making ends meet on the internet.
I agree. Regardless of where I disagree with her, she has a sharp mind. What amazes me is that she has a sharp mind in spite of working with those focus groups. When most of them speak, I feel like my brain cells are dying fast. My mind would be complete mush if I were working with those groups.
Of course some in those groups don't have that affect.
Vance was acting like he cared . HE DOESN’T 💙
I identify as a progressive and his record in Minnesota is appealing to me. I did vote for Biden, but i feel there were progressives who stayed home bc of the way the DNC shunted Bernie. J6 has happened, trump would mow down Palestine and side with Putin... i think more progressives will come out for Harris.
There was something about the current DNC chair Biden appointed investing in every state which has been a progressive priority for a long time. Biden has been more progressive on multiple levels than I expected.
As an epidemiologist I have to point out that fallacy of Trump’s anti war rhetoric. He was in power for one term. The shorter the term in power, the lower the probability of ‘participating in war’. Like Trump, Jimmy Carter was a one-term president and did not participate in war. Moreover, the pandemic was in many ways a vaccine against war.
Even in one term we had a massive increase in drone attacks and civilian casualties. It's just another lie. He is very dangerous and is a war monger
Yikes !! This comment indicates why some folks are skeptical of science in general and medicine in particular.
Perhaps people should not use their careers to represent their authority on something outside their discipline.
Interesting perspective.
I'm so encouraged to hear that the vast majority of undecideds in this study saw right through Vances care salesman act. I underestimated peoples ability to spot a con. It seriously made me sick in the debate when Vance pounced on Walz son being across the street from a shooting, bc it was so clearly opportunistic, you could see him visibly fake empathy bc he saw an opening to look like a nicer person ("Oh, Tim, I didnt know that, Christ have mercy"), and it was gross. He didnt care. His policy views (do nothing about guns, turn schools into fortresses) also show he doesnt care. He does not care about what Walz and his son went through. The way the two of them are talking about the debate after the fact is also telling. JD Vance is mocking Walz and calling him dumb (whered all that empathy and respect go?) while Walz is focused on the fact that Vance was doing revisionist history and gaslighting us on Trump and his views.
John, my gawd how many more events does Harris need to do?! Seems to me she’s in different cities in the same day.
I feel like she’s also doing way more than trump is
John is a washed up goof who was a "soft" republican. He's now having to talk on any show that will take him to stay relevant, even if he is not well informed.
That’s because she is! They both are! Apparently EVERYONE at The Bulwark doesn’t have the skills to do an internet search because they ALL repeatedly say this over and over and over too. It’s so irritating.
@@joemanzo4453But they’re not getting the media attention! That’s the real point.
Sarah after literally any thing happens with Tim Walz: “So actually I was super wrong and ppl love him! 😮”
If someone relies on the debate to know where Vance stands, they are building on a pile BS.
I have been following Tim Walz’s appearances for months and he has had many fun and informative conversations with us. I love him!
💙💯🇺🇸🌴Harris and Walz🏈💯🇺🇸💙
you are right BarabaraCO2
Why does the media keep saying that JD Vance talked about Childless women once. Vance has talked about women that don’t have children multiple times on different platforms like he is obsessed with it.
He's a "Breeder" just like one of his despicable idols, Elon Musk. His "Sugar Daddy", Peter Thiel, not so much. But that's another story suited only for a very different conversation. Mind you, I love children & admire couples who want to procreate while having the means to support a family. What I cannot abide are those who don't plan, who want unmanageably large families & expect their children to be carbon copies of themselves to further some cause. Gross! 👺💙
Since when do verifiable lies win a debate?
People trust Tim Walz . JD Vance does not know who he is and is perceived as untrustworthy.
I trust tim to lie about everything
JD Vance is his 3rd name change...check it out. It validates that excellent point that he does not know who he is.
Disagree with Sarah on one key point: Tim Walz would totally wear pearls if his kids asked him or if it made any difference to anything he cared about. He doesn't stand on external trappings of masculinity or whatever.
Why did Trump keep the Afghanistan War rolling? Dems need to have better messaging on this.
Walz has been doing lots of social appearances on online lifestyle vlog-casts. They are very well-received.
JD Vance says children should be able to vote BUT their parents should control those votes. My 4 kids are in their 40’s and longer live with me. Does JD still believe I should control their votes? Lastly, I do have a cat. Does this now make me a childless cat lady so I should have no vote at all? Does my cat get to vote?
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Tim Walz is Dad, not Grandad, for voter age people…. What a back handed compliment calling him Grandad in your title is.
Yep. Too bad he doesn't fake looking younger like trump...what a shame.... Walz is not even old enough to be my father, and I trust him. All I need to know.
Yep, Bernie is now grandad and Tim is Dad.
I’m of the political nerd class and I was frustrated that we were treating Vance like he’s normal. Vance is NOT normal.
Just a thought. When Vance said he was looking to the future, he wasn't kidding. As soon as they are sworn in he'll be looking to use the 25th amendment because he is mentally unfit and then we are stuck with President Vance. That is his game plan, I would bet money on it.
I’ve been saying that since trump announced him as his running mate ! He’s the heritage foundations golden boy backed by Peter Tiel!
I never thought of this. But his previously aired hatred of Trump compared with his Machiavellian ambitions and general sociopathic shape-shifting (added to who his friends are).... makes your case probable.
I’ve had similar thoughts in the back of my head but thought it was just me
Or at least The Heritage Foundation and Theil his mentor.
The Lincoln project made a great ad about it.
I saw Walz being patient and polite and giving Vance enough rope. I really enjoyed the skill that took.
Good to see you’re feeling better than right after the debate, Sarah. Also glad to see the voters seeing through Vance. I love these focus group sessions and am becoming more of a focus group junkie than a straight political junkie specifically because of the fascinating differences between the pundit side of politics and the voter side of politics.
Vance was 55%. Waltz was 45%.
Vance is a confident and smooth talking debater who continually lied.
Waltz won with me because he is a common sense leader and truthful. He simply wasn’t a good debater. I don’t need a great debater for vice president. I need a truthful leader. Another positive for waltz is his experience in congress and as a current governor. Debating skills is not a priority for me.
Vote bLue.. Vote Kamala Harris & Tim Walz.. They offer Joy... Hope... Inspiration and Confidence in the future of America
Me either.
Walz was nervous and didn't hit Vance on facts a couple of times, but he actually won the debate. Most voters, in just about every poll, said it was a tie. And his favorability numbers are extremely high. That's a win. Vance being able to lie smoothly and constantly isn't winning.
Who would you rather have teaching your kids, Tim Walz, or a guy who’s changed his name 3 or 4 times?!
Some other podcaster had it right when the said “JD Vance is a polished performer. He was probably really successful in Debate Club.”
Odd that you say he's disappeared, I see Walz and his wife making many, many campaign stops filled with cheering people.
I totally agree 24:30, and have thought about the same prospects…don’t want JD in the WH. I believe “they” will retire Trump and insert their younger puppet into the role of authoritarian. And as a lawyer I’m sure Vance sees his position in MAGA.
He is a Heritage Foundation CREATURE.
I’m a government lawyer. I get what’s at stake. But WHAT a relief to take the temperature down, just once, for 90 minutes. 😮💨 And nobody sees Vance as a regular guy.
That’s what I kept telling my wife when we were watching it. I kept telling her we’re just not used to seeing a regular debate anymore
JD sane-washed himself as covert narcissist
Once you have experienced narcissists you can see them coming from a mile away! He makes my skin crawl. As does his boss.
I am watching a report about the catholic organisation Opus Dei right know and it`s members are all around Vance and Peter Thiel. This guy is so much more dangerous than we know.
JD`s connection to certain catholic organisations is the most scary thing about him. The agenda he will bring is so extreme.
He played a sociopath trying to do Human.
Vote bLue.. Vote Kamala Harris & Tim Walz.. They offer Joy... Hope... Inspiration and Confidence in the future of America
Someone giving credit to Trump for "getting Kim and Putin to sit down with him" is just so backwards it makes my head spin!
And ignorant of foreign policy. It’s like, “Did you ever think there was a reason know one sat down with them or wanted to sit down with them?”🤦🏾♀️
You mean lil Kim right? OMG what idiots these focus group people are sometimes
Ya the fact that he didn't start any wars doesn't necessarily mean that was something he did. Like maybe there were no wars started because he likes the bad guys of the world and is lenient on them.
Tim Walz has been all over the Midwest holding rallies. How can you not know that?
I know . I was surprised on JH comments.
Man, Vance is just so unlikable it’s amazing.
Trying to put my finger on what makes him so creepy, and can't. He is, though.
@@Terry-lh8cn He is totally fake, and when he's not being fake it's clear that his ideas are crazy. He is also very dangerous. He is an acolyte of Peter Thiel (who bought and paid for Vance's Senate seat), who doesn't even believe in having a democracy. If Trump gets elected and then dies in office, we will be in a great deal of trouble with a president Vance. He is a monster who is wearing a fake human skin.
To counter the concern of Harris' laugh, that she would giggle during important meetings, her questioning Brett Kavanaugh about laws pertaining to male bodies.
Thinking Walz is just a neutral for Harris is crazy he’s def been a plus for her!
Agree. I have a republican friend, who donated for the first time ever to the Harris-Walz ticket after hearing Walz at the DNC.
NO. Waltz was true to who he is. Not everybody has to be aggressive in a campaign. Using the good cop bad cop approach is not necessarily bad. Harris is the prosecutor and Waltz is the more conciliatory voice even in the face of lies. Most people respond to that positively
We are not fighting in Ukraine. We are not at war.
What is John talking about? Walz is literally out doing events daily. John speaks so confidently about it even though he is totally wrong. In summary, he is too much of a creature of the media that he has no perception of real voters. In 2024, I put no stock in what people like him have to say. They are almost always consistently wrong.
Yes apparently everyone who does a podcast like these knows only how to do ONE thing on the internet and that is how to post their OWN PODCAST. The search function on their computer must be blocked I guess
@@joemanzo4453😂😂😂😂 I guess their TH-cam feed doesn't work either. I find it without even looking for it
Tim Walz is not a grandpa. LOL
You guys should watch Harris' Arizona speech from last week. Not a single legacy media company covered it.
Walz was the best pick. I didn’t want Shapiro but also I’m actually a member of Democratic Party. And he has been all over the blue wall and unions events. Stop tripping. Tim has been outside
Vance is incapable of deleting his creep factor.
THANK YOU for talking about the misogyny of the "giggling" comments. Good golly. I know I shouldn't be stunned when people just blurt out something so cliche and frankly bigoted, but I don't surround myself with people who talk that way so it is always a shock to hear it.
These people still forget that she is the current V.P. and has many duties to do in her current job.
Trump only has one job and he has not done it very well, again.
The pundit class is a bit more comfortable with lies, so Vance's performance was all they noticed - 'man look how well he lied! He's amazing!'.
Happily there are some regular folks whom see through the slick to notice the lies.
Let's see if we make it through a whole segment without Sarah wishing she could vote for Josh Shapiro
i think Sarah has trouble making it through a cup of coffee without wishing she could vote for Josh Shapiro😜😜
Lol
I live right by the pa border. I don't think it would make a difference. He was elected in a non presidential year so easier to win.
just started watching...did she make it😂?
Amen.
I am also sick of hearing about the border!
Right? I never thought much about it expecyt Now It's Being Shoved In Our Face Constantly
Me too ! And I live in San Diego 😅
And that Harris doesn’t address it, she keeps on saying she’ll sign the bill that Trump killed. I also live in SoCal.
I wish more people would delve into Vance's influences. There are some shockingly UNDEMOCRATIC philosophies there. Vance has been scooted along financially by a rich tech fella with unhinged views. I am horrified at the prospect of Vance being next in line behind an aged and declining man. Independent voting Blue all the way through. 💙💙💙💙💙
Mainstream media scrupulously avoids this exposure in the same way they went after Biden for verbal slips but give Trump a pass 24/7. It is surreal that a man who is so dangerous--and diagnosed as such by top psychiatrists; and guilty of criminal wrong-doing (with the bulk of these actions stopped from fair adjudication in courtrooms); in violation of the emoluments clause and a long time tax cheat (David Cay Johnston has chronicled this)... and caught dead-to-rights with stolen top-secret state documents added to the documentation of his telling 35,000 lies would be entertained as a leader no less allowed to run for office! It is a surreal mess: the terror within.
Vance certainly put out for Peter Thiel, but is anybody’s ass worth billions????
Kamala is doing the control of the border messaging by talking about the border bill every chance she gets.
But I want to add, as someone who lives in a border state, about and hour and a half from the Mexico border, I do not feel an overwhelming negative impact from the border in my daily life. That’s not to say control of the border isn’t important, but a lot of the hysteria about it feels manufactured. I listen to Trump talk about California like it’s a cartel war zone and we can’t even go to the grocery store and that couldn’t be further from the truth. My kids aren’t losing seats in schools to illegal immigrants, I’m not having a hard time getting healthcare because hospitals are full of illegals. And the jobs thing… the main job roles for illegal immigrants in California are tied to farm labor that citizens aren’t looking to do in the first place because it’s intense labor and California is hot as hell.
Trump *totally* manufactures all the hysteria, just like he's doing with the immigrants in Springfield, Ohio, and with the hurricane relief. It's such a danger they should lock him up in pretrial detention in the runup to his upcoming trial. For the sake of public safety.
As a fellow Californian, well said!!!
Wow, I didn't feel like ripping my head off after listening to these voters. They actually saw right through vance's act.
Refreshing, wasn’t it.
"Tim Walz looked like he'd seen a ghost and JD Vance looked like he was wearing eyeliner!"
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This is the general problem with the format of debate: The person who speaks the most clearly is thought to have "won." Never mind that Vance may have won the debate in form but not in substance.
Vote bLue.. Vote Kamala Harris & Tim Walz.. They offer Joy... Hope... Inspiration and Confidence in the future of America
Vance spoke lies very clearly. I was disappointed that Walz was so restrained. I definitely don't want to hear how we'll "work with" the radical fascists.
Trumps a million yrs old. VP is important
Ever since Vance was chosen I’ve been convinced 45’s handlers are using him to get back into the WH, and then they’ll install Vance by invoking the 25th; Trump is completely unaware, but everyone else is in on it
Vance is a whole lot more dangerous than djt is!
Walz solidified the progressives.
Vote bLue.. Vote Kamala Harris & Tim Walz.. They offer Joy... Hope... Inspiration and Confidence in the future of America
As a progressive I agree.
I would’ve voted Harris either way, but some less pragmatic progressives weren’t there and a lot of them are now. Walz is big part of that.
The difference between Walz and Vance is that Walz is the neighbor who picks up after his dog if he poops in your yard on a walk, while Vance would leave the pile and blame it on Haitians if his dog did. (I doubt Vance even has a pup anyway, he’s not the type). 🌊🇺🇸💙
I love how when someone calls Trump an Agent of Chaos…I picture him as a full on villian from the Kaos organization from the classic spy show Get Smart. A happy giggle ensues 🤭
If you are not voting for Harris by now, it's because you can bring yourself to vote for a woman or you can't vote for a black woman.
Many give the old guy a free pass on being misogynistic, racist, greedy, etc. Vance thinks he should get that same pass. Nope.
Why can’t Vance/trump be charged with inciting hate crimes? 🤬
One answer is that our subprime/supreme court granted him equivalent absolute immunity for any and all acts. I just hope BIDEN uses those newfound powers if the Trump Junta wrecks the elections to toss the outcome into utter chaos.