this is the secret of Fogerty's sound...having rhythm and lead guitars using different chord shapes on most songs helps fill out the sound a lot. And different tuning forces that to happen.
Really cool getting to see you J J. Every one loves your passion for your craft it’s so clear to me why your so darned good at what you do its. a love for what you do, thanks so much J J you’ve helped me so many times I can’t count your the man buddy!
I had seen John playing this song before and noticed he wasn't in D position.I never could get the sound just right playing proud Mary with my band until now.Thanks for sharing this tip.
J.J. your work is amazing ! I am a big CCR honk but never knew this. showed my band mates this and what a difference there was.this song is easier to sing like this, don't know why. I always check your work for something fresh. god bless, keep it rocking !
John Fogerty has a video of this posted last week playing with his family, and yeah he is playing it in E tuned down, and his son and daughter are using the usual open key of D chords. I saw John playing this on TV in the early seventies and had to spend about three weeks figuring out what the lead break was, once I saw how he was fingering some of it. John had a knack for writing simple songs that got people on their feet dancing, that even garage bands could pull off -well sort of anyway.
I immediately connected with you. I'm 54, yank. Dad is in the Louisiana Hall of Fame for his work with the Boogie Kings and Swing Kings of Avoyelles Parish, Louisiana. Of course I grew up listening to this and my dad and bands playing it. Great video!
Mate. Well done. You're right. I heard John in a TV interview tell the story of the broken head stock on the Black LP. It had happened backstage in Australia somewhere. He tells the story of the sound they got from the mixed inversions from 2 tunings because when the LP was repaired he was told to tune it down a full step to save the head stock from breaking again. In the end they got a sound which we all know and love so well.
Fortunate Son is another one. When you hear the track, it’s clear that the lead guitar is playing the last two notes of the lead riff on one string - the 5th - while the song is actually in the key of G. PS ~ Love the Genesee sign! Had a few Genny’s back in the day, rolling through the great State of New York to and from gigs. When there WERE gigs, that is ...
Hello! my Friend! What a luxury your instruments congratulations! I'm still trying to learn to how to play guitar. I'm alread making some noises. Thank you so much! From Brazil 🇧🇷 I Love CCR 🤘🎸
I only recently discovered that this was how CCR got their sound on some of their signature tunes. It's a really great idea to differentiate the two guitars and great a dynamic tension between the two players.
This full step down tuning is used by John Fogerty on Bad Moon Rising, Fortunate Son and I think Run Through The Jungle, probably a few others too as well as Proud Mary of course! Great sound, it confounded me for years how he got that sound. Also when he played in standard tuning on that 3/4 size Rickenbacker 325 through a solid state Kustom amp is was an amazing sound too! Thats on Born On The Bayou, Green River etc.
Damn, this is my first time hearing of this method. I was learning the song on guitar in standard tuning, but then was so confused when I heard the actual song itself, realizing my guitar playing alone didn't match the same tone. Now I see why hahah. Pretty cool
Thanks for the explanation. John Fogerty has recently posted some really sweet videos playing old tunes with his kids that show exactly what you are showing here. I wondered why he wasn't playing the chords that his son was playing, and thanks to you, now I know.
Almost an entire head shot. Damnitt, JJ!!! You're such a tease!!! 😂 Consequently, my band did the same tuning tricks. One song we did it for was "Go Your Own Way" where I was tuned down 1 step & the other guitarist played standard. It was magical!!
It sure makes it sound more interesting, having the different tunings. Tuning down sure helps with the bends too. It wouldn't have sounded as good if they were both tuned to standard.
I just love Proud Mary. I heard a ripoff version (Nashville singers, 1969 record) when I was a kid. But when I heard CCR's version, that hooked me. Great demonstration!
Pretty sure you did a lesson as either PT or James on how they did the same thing on "Fortunate Son." You helped me play the song properly onstage at a school talent show - my fellow teachers and I owed our success to you!
Went looking for your Year of The Cat video from a while back and I find out your still doing your thing and helping this basement picker learn songs. Thanks for posting these pearls.
Always liked hearing the low D string in this context (cleaner tone) as opposed to over distorted as most bands use it (not that i dont like that as well). The earliest instance ive noticed of it being used is Eddie Cochran on "Sweetie Pie" and "Sitting in the Balcony", though im sure its probably been done before him too. Velvet Underground used it on most of their songs too.
@@jamesjames9275 Yep, this is full step down. I was just singling out the low D because thats the only note you cant play in standard tuning (and the low D# note which would be an F in standard tuning).
Not entirely sure if Eddie would tune it down a full step or just drop D. You would hear the low D in his solos so could of been either/or. But with Fogerty its clear its a full step cause the barre chords he plays would be painful in DADGBE. And you can tell from watching him live
I always wondered why more 2 guitar bands didn't do that. Always wanted to put together something like that myself. All of the best ideas are from the 60's. One of the last bands formed I insisted on a designated tambourine player. It worked even better than I though. Up next - re-introducing the 12-string electric. It's been missing for too long.
Check out the Fogerty family playing on his channel , the one son is dupiclate of his brother Tom, and you observe the importance of a strong rhythm section , timing and tempo. JJ thanks for all the instruction on how to play correctly.
The "Down tuning" has its origins in that John's Les Paul's neck was broken and the length was reduced in the repair by two frets. (SHORT SCALE LES PAUL)
When I first started playing with a few guys learning to play/making some stuff up/having fun,I argued with another guitar player that kept insisting we all was exactly tuned together...I kept saying ''we don't have to be''...This proves my point...Hope you're watching Talegate,lol
@@jamesjames9275 I tend to call the mute a stab even though that doesn't really make sense. You hear it in Supremes songs a lot. The quick "stab/downstroke" and the instant mute.
well retune down and play some more songs that are in down tune. unless you don't have any in your playlist that you like to play.. lot of times I go down to E flat for one song and then I decide well I got the guitar tuned out I'm just going to play a whole bunch of stuff that was in e-flat then eventually a couple days later tune it back up to standard or wherever.
D tuning has a lot of advantages. Such as most cover band singers don't have the range needed. Playing those songs in D tuning lowers it enough that it is much easier to sing. Best to have two guitars because you really need to change setup in D tuning.
The leads in Fortunate Son make so much more sense when you tune down and play in A as well. Great songwriting all around.
this is the secret of Fogerty's sound...having rhythm and lead guitars using different chord shapes on most songs helps fill out the sound a lot. And different tuning forces that to happen.
Like the early Beatles did?
Would ZZ Top come to mind here ? Thanks for posting James ! And Thanks for all the great comments too !
i love you james james, back again....:)
Really cool getting to see you J J. Every one loves your passion for your craft it’s so clear to me why your so darned good at what you do its. a love for what you do, thanks so much J J you’ve helped me so many times I can’t count your the man buddy!
I had seen John playing this song before and noticed he wasn't in D position.I never could get the sound just right playing proud Mary with my band until now.Thanks for sharing this tip.
J.J. your work is amazing ! I am a big CCR honk but never knew this. showed my band mates this and what a difference there was.this song is easier to sing like this, don't know why.
I always check your work for something fresh. god bless, keep it rocking !
Nice. I like playing things the right way. To get that "sound that made me like the song so much in the first place!"
Man, yeah, this is why I couldn't get the fills to sound right. Love it, thank you
John Fogerty has a video of this posted last week playing with his family, and yeah he is playing it in E tuned down, and his son and daughter are using the usual open key of D chords. I saw John playing this on TV in the early seventies and had to spend about three weeks figuring out what the lead break was, once I saw how he was fingering some of it. John had a knack for writing simple songs that got people on their feet dancing, that even garage bands could pull off -well sort of anyway.
The Fogerty's Factory has been puttin out a lot of stuff from home during the pandemic. All great stuff to watch and listen to.
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Yes I saw that yesterday. I new that John played in alternate tunings on some songs and it was very apparent in the at home video.
As ever, you’re a genius.
i’ve learned such an amazing amount from your videos.
I like it already 17 seconds in !! HEY the Voice is good!! Need more of that James
I immediately connected with you. I'm 54, yank. Dad is in the Louisiana Hall of Fame for his work with the Boogie Kings and Swing Kings of Avoyelles Parish, Louisiana. Of course I grew up listening to this and my dad and bands playing it. Great video!
Mate. Well done. You're right. I heard John in a TV interview tell the story of the broken head stock on the Black LP. It had happened backstage in Australia somewhere. He tells the story of the sound they got from the mixed inversions from 2 tunings because when the LP was repaired he was told to tune it down a full step to save the head stock from breaking again. In the end they got a sound which we all know and love so well.
You're a great teacher. Thank you for sharing.
Que descanse en paz tom fogerty de los mejores guitarristas ritmicos de la historia ✌️
Cool breakdown of the guitar parts.🎸💪👍
Edit.
Nice selection of guitars.👌🏻
Wow! Great ear, great lesson! Thanks JJ!
Fortunate Son is another one. When you hear the track, it’s clear that the lead guitar is playing the last two notes of
the lead riff on one string - the 5th - while the song is actually in the key of G. PS ~ Love the Genesee sign! Had a
few Genny’s back in the day, rolling through the great State of New York to and from gigs. When there WERE gigs,
that is ...
Hello! my Friend! What a luxury your instruments congratulations! I'm still trying to learn to how to play guitar. I'm alread making some noises. Thank you so much! From Brazil 🇧🇷 I Love CCR 🤘🎸
Thanks Buddy👍
I only recently discovered that this was how CCR got their sound on some of their signature tunes. It's a really great idea to differentiate the two guitars and great a dynamic tension between the two players.
How cool,thanks
Cool....thanks!
REALLY cool...I had no idea about this! Thank you my brother!
Amazing guitar!
Your rhythm is perfect! Great job!
This full step down tuning is used by John Fogerty on Bad Moon Rising, Fortunate Son and I think Run Through The Jungle, probably a few others too as well as Proud Mary of course! Great sound, it confounded me for years how he got that sound. Also when he played in standard tuning on that 3/4 size Rickenbacker 325 through a solid state Kustom amp is was an amazing sound too! Thats on Born On The Bayou, Green River etc.
Damn, this is my first time hearing of this method. I was learning the song on guitar in standard tuning, but then was so confused when I heard the actual song itself, realizing my guitar playing alone didn't match the same tone. Now I see why hahah. Pretty cool
Thanks for the explanation. John Fogerty has recently posted some really sweet videos playing old tunes with his kids that show exactly what you are showing here. I wondered why he wasn't playing the chords that his son was playing, and thanks to you, now I know.
yeah Shane definitely keeps an eye on Dad's legacy Family Band awesome.. nice pad where they live at too in the hills of California
Brilliant.
Thanks JJ!
"boinin'" . . . exactly . . . always knew John played a full step down but blending the 2 together gave the sound more depth. Great demo JJ, thanks.
Almost an entire head shot. Damnitt, JJ!!! You're such a tease!!! 😂
Consequently, my band did the same tuning tricks. One song we did it for was "Go Your Own Way" where I was tuned down 1 step & the other guitarist played standard. It was magical!!
Fascinating exposition of the recording’s construction. Thank you. And the veil slipped slightly too. 😉
Love the T shirt.
Great lesson!! I love nuances like this :)
I always wondered about that. I could never get it quite right. Thanks!
Joking banter aside, that’s a great insight. Many nonstandard tunings just made me give up in the past.
It sure makes it sound more interesting, having the different tunings. Tuning down sure helps with the bends too.
It wouldn't have sounded as good if they were both tuned to standard.
I just love Proud Mary. I heard a ripoff version (Nashville singers, 1969 record) when I was a kid. But when I heard CCR's version, that hooked me. Great demonstration!
Great information ! Thanks for sharing this technique!
You showed your face. I’ve maintained the image of the star child as your mug. It’s like finding out there’s no Santa Claus
Pretty sure you did a lesson as either PT or James on how they did the same thing on "Fortunate Son." You helped me play the song properly onstage at a school talent show - my fellow teachers and I owed our success to you!
Went looking for your Year of The Cat video from a while back and I find out your still doing your thing and helping this basement picker learn songs. Thanks for posting these pearls.
James is helping Garage pickers as well, cheers
He does that with Lodi and Midnight Special as well. When I played in a CCR tribute band that’s what we did.
Interesting.As a side note,I see the Genny sign behind you.Living in Arizona,I miss the hell out of Genny.Great video.
Awesome! I'm gonna work on that one. Thanks! Time to drag out the Les Paul...
Toms' daughter and I lived in the same building years ago.
The fills sound so much better in the "down tuning"
Always liked hearing the low D string in this context (cleaner tone) as opposed to over distorted as most bands use it (not that i dont like that as well). The earliest instance ive noticed of it being used is Eddie Cochran on "Sweetie Pie" and "Sitting in the Balcony", though im sure its probably been done before him too. Velvet Underground used it on most of their songs too.
For this, all the strings are tuned down, not just the D.
@@jamesjames9275 Yep, this is full step down. I was just singling out the low D because thats the only note you cant play in standard tuning (and the low D# note which would be an F in standard tuning).
Not entirely sure if Eddie would tune it down a full step or just drop D. You would hear the low D in his solos so could of been either/or. But with Fogerty its clear its a full step cause the barre chords he plays would be painful in DADGBE. And you can tell from watching him live
I always wondered why more 2 guitar bands didn't do that. Always wanted to put together something like that myself. All of the best ideas are from the 60's. One of the last bands formed I insisted on a designated tambourine player. It worked even better than I though. Up next - re-introducing the 12-string electric. It's been missing for too long.
Check out the Fogerty family playing on his channel , the one son is dupiclate of his brother Tom, and you observe the importance of a strong rhythm section , timing and tempo. JJ thanks for all the instruction on how to play correctly.
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Pretty sure Midnight Special and Heard it Through the Grapevine were done like this too. Simple but very effective
The same think they do with run through the jungle and the grapevine... 3:44 Tom in standard tuning and John in E tuned down to D
The "Down tuning" has its origins in that John's Les Paul's neck was broken and the length was reduced in the repair by two frets. (SHORT SCALE LES PAUL)
Interesting fact!
Good ear sir.
Thanks for these...John's parts are much cooler, and sound great on that Paul...but that step-down tuning is a pita to dial in on my strat
Use wide double-stops for the chorus fill.
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Do you think John is playing the open B7 instead of B in the part (Big wheels keep on turning...)?
Does run through the jungle use this same tuning? Just curious and thanks for sharing!
You can do John Fogerty all day long as far as I'm concerned.
When I first started playing with a few guys learning to play/making some stuff up/having fun,I argued with another guitar player that kept insisting we all was exactly tuned together...I kept saying ''we don't have to be''...This proves my point...Hope you're watching Talegate,lol
same with bad moon
So *proper* with your A chord! Tsk. Such sensibilities, you have. :). Oooop. Buddy just changed guitars! Well SOB. First time for everything! :)
Or capo at 2 and play in C 🤔
Are you stabbing the chord or is that in the track? I can't tell and it's driving me insane.
Never mind. I heard it at the 7:10 mark.Good rhythm you got there!
Stabbing the chord? What does that mean?
@@jamesjames9275 I tend to call the mute a stab even though that doesn't really make sense. You hear it in Supremes songs a lot. The quick "stab/downstroke" and the instant mute.
Funny, I can't perfecly tune my guitar neither . Down tuning a full step sims to me harder to get in tune.
Thanks for the inputs. Here's the result 😊th-cam.com/video/75NFtdsppaQ/w-d-xo.html
That song has always dogged me. Just doesn't sound right, unless you tune it down, but I won't retune just to play the song...
well retune down and play some more songs that are in down tune. unless you don't have any in your playlist that you like to play..
lot of times I go down to E flat for one song and then I decide well I got the guitar tuned out I'm just going to play a whole bunch of stuff that was in e-flat then eventually a couple days later tune it back up to standard or wherever.
D tuning has a lot of advantages. Such as most cover band singers don't have the range needed. Playing those songs in D tuning lowers it enough that it is much easier to sing. Best to have two guitars because you really need to change setup in D tuning.
Interesting. Could’ve just capo’d up at the second fret and played out of c chord position. Thanks, James.
Wouldn’t have the dropped d. It would sound different. Plus the solo, and the fills would too