I love McCafferty, i never got the impression he was a good person. I related to the way he sounded like he hated himself. But god does it hurt. You find your own imperfections in his music and then you hear he wishes his close friends baby would die. To his face. The front bottoms never hurt me in this way.
i hate everything that nick has done to people around him, but there’s still a part of me that listens to them since that band has been a comfort for me for such a long time, i still feel bad everytime i add them back on my playlist after getting rid of them
I understand why people are upset with Nick and I agree that what he has done is terrible and i'm by no means a fan of his. But that doesn't mean people need to hate McCafferty just for that reason, you are allowed to listen to and enjoy whatever music and media you want to regardless of what others think.
I think “separate the art from the artist” is a personal thing. I can understand both sides of it. Personally, I have a hard time separating the two in any case. The important thing I’ve seen from most people weighing in on these things is acknowledging that that artist has done those awful things and not excuse it because they make music you like or are attached to.
As a person with BPD, I'm incredibly disappointed that he's blaming his disorder for everything. That's just adding to the stigma, man, that doesn't help anyone. Not even himself.
Funny so mentally ill people are only accepted when they act normal? Lol that’s a laugh. The fact you have BPD and somehow think you’re a spoke person for all of us is absurd. Different people with mental illness have different battles. Stigma? I’m sorry I’m a pain for people in my life, it’s my BPD and it’s open minded people who realize something is wrong with me and are open without judging me. So get off your high horse and thank the lord your BPD, let’s you act “normal” and not fuel to this so called “stigma”
@@user-yk9yz8jk2u Wait, what? I'm sorry that's what you got from my comment, but that's not at all what I said. I'm not sure how to reply tbh. The idea that we can only be accepted when we act normal is part of the stigma. So is implying that everyone with BPD acts this way. That's all I meant. Nor did I claim to speak for everyone. Editing to also say that I didn't claim to be or act normal so I'm genuinely confused at your response...
@@giselle8153 well I apologize if I misunderstood your comment. I thought you were implying that people with BPD should act a certain way, a more “normal” way. I never try to use my BPD as an excuse but sometimes when I feel real low about a way I acted I need to also realize I’m not “normal”. It sucks and some people truly never understand having to face a mental issue battle. I’m sorry if I came off as confrontational I was just offended.
@@user-yk9yz8jk2u Yeah I wasn't implying that at all. Just saying that BPD, while it influences our actions, is not an excuse to hurt people and not try to be a decent human being. Us not being normal is not an excuse to not make up for our actions.
You missed the part of the statement at the bottom that said "on the way to 1,000,000 monthly listeners". That just sorta shuts down this "I'm better and leaving mccafferty behind" thing hes going for
I love mcaffertys music, and the term “separate the art from the artist” has never been more true in this situation. I use an app that does not support the creator of the music in any way (i dont use spotify) so i dont have to worry about giving someone like him money, but it still feels shitty when you’re listening to an amazing song and remember that some asshole wrote it.
@@ghostyghost3695 it is called Musi! Its a music app, but you can access any youtube video by searching it. It is a very good app for watching problematic people if you still like their content (ive seen people use it for youtubers like Jschlatt, carson, and swaggersouls)
No, that's not bad :) most people have had many experiences like that, it's not just music either, it can happen with friends and family too. He hurt you in with his actions as well he did the people he manipulated (and other things) though maybe not as directly. This might be a chance to for you to find more bands that you have a similar musical relationship with. Just remember that it's pretty similar to someone in your personal life doing something and it does take time to heal and it's ok to still feel sad about it.
Of course not, I can only imagine how it feels for other people like you who loved the band and the big role it played in people’s lives. It’s just a shame that Nick Hartkop is a terrible person.
of course it isn't bad! big parts in your life turning out to be bad will probably hurt for a long time, it's happened to me before and i think most people experience that :]
thanks everyone for saying i’m not in the wrong for feeling like that, mccafferty was the first like “alternative” band i got into which opened everything up to my other favorite bands just thinking about it just sucks super hard sometimes
need a camping in alaska video. midwest emo band that hit major popularity with early songs they absolutely hate, most famous song recently hitting 1mil views, but their best, newest work is hardly appreciated.
Yes!!!! Wait, which song hit 1 million views? Anyway I love them, especially their album “please be nice.”, and I really need to listen to their newer stuff
Having ASPD, NPD, BPD or any other mental illness is not an excuse to hurt people or treat them badly. Using mental illnesses as an excuse for abusive behaviors is not only wrong and deceitful, it also hurts the communities of people with these disorders. Just because a person has a personality disorder does not make them an abuser nor a bad person! Please like so people can see, thank you.
I dated a person with untreated BPD for 5 years and that song absolutely boiled my blood in a way I was NOT expecting. The lyrics are so manipulative and it triggered all that history I thought I had gotten over. I’ve never been so gut wrenched by a song in such a bad way.
Could you imagine walking up to your friend and asking "Hey ! Have you listened to Two Demos Never Realeaser From 2017 so Pleaze Don't Think I'm Coming Back, I Promise You I Won't? "
After Nick's live show a few days ago in Seattle it does seem like he has gone and finally got the help he needed. After outwardly speaking about his therapy and treating his bipolar whilst keeping his fans updated on his blog, it makes me happy to see he has gone to help himself. Especially with the support of his partner, Nick has definitely grown as a person since then.
i loved beachboy because it had such a nostalgic vibe--I found the song after it blew up on tiktok but, like, I swear I had heard it years before. Beachboy made me think about old memories but after this mess, all I'll be able to think about is the new drama.
The situation with Nick is frustrating, I feel like Isn't it Beautiful was understandable as an "I realize I fucked up and I'm moving on" but it should have been the end. When he mentioned having BPD, it struck me deep - I have been living with BPD for years, and that line helped me understand why I resonate so much with his music - but the way he wields it as an excuse for his actions isn't okay. There are parts of Nick's actions that I do relate to, I haven't always been a good person and I hurt people I cared about before I had an understanding of what was wrong with me. But I was a teenager in an abusive home without proper supports or a grip on my mental health. Nick is an adult who has manipulated and hurt others countless times. I think his BPD diagnosis is legitimate, and I'm proud of him for learning to live with it - trust me, it's not easy, and I'm still unlearning toxic habits every year - and being in the public eye will absolutely exacerbate symptoms, but for sake of everyone involved, it's time for him to step away from McCafferty for good.
2 years later coming back to this i think he did change , i feel a shift in his personality he seems happy and the people in his life seem happy now, so maybe we should take the L on this one
I was very surprised when I saw he had released Beachboy 2 and McCafferty vs TFB and I’m not sure how to feel cause I feel bad listening to the music but his music is special to me
“I hate myself, I’m sorry that I suck. If only this thing I can’t control called my brain would stop ruining my life.” The embodiment of a grown ass dude with untreated bpd. Maybe in like 5+ years he’ll be alright, but right now is not that time. Ew.
Yoooo I used to talk to this guy on Instagram, but I kinda kept it strictly as a “hey! inspire me!” kind of relationship, so this is trippy. With that being said, can you look into a video on “it looks sad.” Such an underrated band.
Great video as always! Being a fan of McCafferty from way back in the moms and dad's era, it's such a shame to see this spiral downwards of probably my all-time favorite band aside from The Wonder Years. Hopefully nick gets the help he needs, and I'll check out the new music, but knowing that plays support him monetarily and the stuff tied to money previously, it'll be one-time listens.
I’ve never been this excited for a video in my life. Like I’m mad that Nick still has any semblance of a platform, but I always love your videos and I’m glad you made this one
This kind of shit is why I don’t usually pay much attention to the band members and their lives. It’s so hard to be “objective” about the music when you hear about stories like these. I still like some of McCafferty’s stuff tho 🤷🏼♂️
Thank you for keeping us up to date and keeping it civil and purely informative, as I’m sure it’s hard to go out of your way to dig up and digest this information so we don’t have to ❤️
Hes claiming now to be making a continuous effort, regularly going to therapy, taking his medication and health seriously, etc. He seems to have done a lot of work on himself and it's good to see. And he says that his profits are going to the Easterseals charity. It's just after everything it's so hard to believe him. I hope he's improved. I really do. And I hope he continues to improve. But it's hard to just accept it and believe what he says
THANK YOU! I was sooo confused when I saw they released a new song on spotify. I was like: "wait.. I thought they split?" so ,you really helped me out here! :)
I'm interested to see if you would be willing to do another update soon or when Snoqualmie comes out. I know he's been posting from time to time on his blog on the official McCafferty website. Thanks for this series! As someone who just got into their music, this helped clear a lot up. I appreciate it when people like you go out of your way to put the facts out there.
I mean, Nate hasn't posted on this channel in over a year, almost 2. He may have bettered himself but let's not pretend like any of this is irrelevant. These videos aren't a keemstar-esque hit piece on Hartkop for clicks, they are documenting why the band is where it is.
before nick went MIA he went live and asked for recommendations for songs to make for a new album i commented beachboy pt 2 and began writing it live.... maybe thats why it sounds so pre allegations Mccafferty
@@franzfiranken7548 it keeps deleting my replies. but if u go on their spotify, they have a website where they upload blogs and talk about their bpd and their growth after rehabilitation
death. i literally just watched all 3 parts of the series for this and thought it was over and then saw this on my recommended from a week ago, i am sobbing. the end
Had a gf with BPD and this behavior definitely checks out. Just absolute batshit. Manic episodes and then the “I’m sorry but I Don’t plan on changing” and the “feel sorry for me” thing
the front bottoms would never do this to us :| i’m pretty happy that i found the front bottoms first, so i’m less attached to a band with a bag of shit for a lead singer
This is so prevelant in the community. Thier are bands that made such good music where I am from and all it took was one bad seed from with in for it to go bad.
i still like some of the mccafferty songs,,, beach boy, trees I and II have very special places in my heart.. but as someone who's been in a toxic relationship and had quite a few toxic friends, this song is so gross. i know this type of apologizing, like you said, it's just a "you should feel sorry for me". and the part where he says he wishes he was dead for bad things he's done??? grow up, change, make up bad things you've done. "oh i am so bad i wish i were dead" is just guilt tripping and making it all about you. i hate it so much. and that song?? yeah, he doesnt care. he hopes no one remembers what he's done and just wants to come back as soon as possible also idk if you've seen but mccafferty just released a new song yesterday (11.05.2021), queerball ;/ i mean it's a bop and once again speaks to my poor gay heart but,,, y e a h
i didn’t watch the thing but if those events were true, i don’t respect nick, i only respect his music. the music he made was amazing, and without nick, mccafferty wouldn’t be mccafferty. it’s just like if someone else took over pewdiepie’s channel, it wouldn’t be like pewdiepie - it’d be more like something else living inside of his shell, or someone else cast in the shadow of his legacy. i love mccafferty and the music they make, but not the actions nick has done.
I fully believe the no one is past saving or past changing, but man this really pisses me off. When all of the allegations came out against Nick last year, him and his wife were planning on moving to the Seattle area. I live in Washington as well and was seriously talking to him about becoming the drummer for McCafferty. It was an idea that we both liked and wanted to make happen if possible and then all of this came out. McCafferty was my favorite band and I looked up to Nick. I know that there are dozens of people that can say the same thing, so my story isn't unique. All of that aside, I would love to see Nick grow as a person and become better, but he has to leave McCafferty behind and stop trying to grow under a spotlight. If he is serious about all of his mental health issues, then he needs to get help and stop putting out music. He has done enough damage. As it stands, Nick is a piece of absolute garbage, but I want him to get help. And I want him to stop putting out music.
The new songs are trash, an “opinionated” statement, I’m aware. Just like many think my music is trash. But if Nick was actually sorry, actually paying Chris, Evan and Wes for the royalties on the songs they put work into would be a start. Would it make up for everything? NO. but at least it might actually show some sliver of regret.
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Some people are such a mess of drama publicly that it becomes part of the act and they somehow become immune to being canceled. Examples include Azaelia Banks, Keemstar, Kanye. I feel like Nick Hartkop is the only person in emo to ever pull this off.
I hope he gets proper help if he hasn’t got any. His BPD could explain a lot of things but doesn’t excuse the things he says, I truly hope he changes. I don’t agree with anything he has done but I can’t help but feel bad as there must be something wrong with him. It’s sad how he’s an amazing singer but has done bad things (the rest of the band is amazing as-well and I’m not discrediting them)
I hate this whole situation so much, I didn’t know about the allegations when I started listening to McCafferty not too long ago and I really should’ve known sooner, I hate that bands I like are toxic so often, I hate that I’m drawn to toxic bands, I should’ve figured out warning signs by now but I still keep liking the music of horrible people and I know I’m the reason I like them but can’t people just try not to be manipulative, bigoted, overall evil assholes for ONCE? Sorry for the rant, have a good day and I hope you find a band that makes good music AND good life choices :]
I typically separate the band members and the band with the music I listen to. Cause yeah a lot of band members are absolute wankers however their music are works of art (ex Morrissey vs the smiths) but there is something about nick and mcCaffery I can’t vibe with. It’s like I don’t explore the band as I would out of spite to nick. He’s apologised so much and he throws in his bpd so much and I understand it’s important to normalise mental health and especially bpd but he only uses it when he knows he fucked up or to get a few pity points (from my pov) and that boils my blood because it sets a terrible rep of bpd and bpd is not just manipulation and getting pity points. And I really had to share this because it’s a really unfortunate, uncomfortable situation
The official ones I can remember are spring 2014, then summer 2014, then radio silence after Jan 2015, til June 2015, all the while hearing again and again how he was gonna be a special ed teacher so he couldn't do McCafferty, then summer 2015 beachboy 2 being teased, then radio silence and "I can't do McCafferty" again, Jan 2016 and beachboy 2 singles again, then "I can't be in McCafferty because I'm a teacher" for the millionth time, then disappearing again after the repress of beachboy/third bb2 single, then the Kickstarter for the ep in Oct 2016,, then him being serious for about a year and some change, then the breakup during their first full us tour in spring 2018, then the acoustic ep summer of 2018 and another breakup, then fucking on and off with whether or not there was gonna be anything, then an actual west coast tour in summer 2019 and talk of the third album, then shit hitting the fan with the allegations, and what seemed to be the final nail in the coffin, then obviously as this video says, nick 'coming back' and making music again, the same patterns. I seen it all from the sidelines man.
![ILLSLICK X YOUNGOHM - We're The same [Official Video]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/yUJNkobYR0E/mqdefault.jpg)
Thoughts on the McCafferty situation?
Also I’m working on the Real Friends video. Should be out late next week. Thank you for the support
idk I think people can change but I have no idea
@@lukeisfine people can change but are people going to change when repeatedly given chances to be better that they ignore?
Can the hammy fans unite to beat up Nick Hartkop
@@willowgritzmaker409 rather we unite to stop him from releasing new music
This song is basically the underground emo version of R Kelly's I Admit
i didn’t get this comment at first but as soon as nate started scrolling through the lyrics...yeah you’re completely right lol
Underground emo? They have nearly a million monthly listeners
@@iplayeddishonored2475 yeah, but they were the face of underground emo for a long time
@@ouroboser fuck no
@@ouroboser no????? Underground doesn’t mean a low monthly listener count it’s a whole genre in its own
I love McCafferty, i never got the impression he was a good person. I related to the way he sounded like he hated himself. But god does it hurt. You find your own imperfections in his music and then you hear he wishes his close friends baby would die. To his face.
The front bottoms never hurt me in this way.
Bro your mad soft, the front bottoms? 😂😂😂 mainstream emo! You will always be a Ric Flair wannabe
@@user-yk9yz8jk2u do you want a trophy?
@@user-yk9yz8jk2u yikes
@@user-yk9yz8jk2u embarrassing
@@lavs8761 zinger, you’re very witty with your wacky tricks
i hate everything that nick has done to people around him, but there’s still a part of me that listens to them since that band has been a comfort for me for such a long time, i still feel bad everytime i add them back on my playlist after getting rid of them
It's ok to do that. It is important to separate the art from the artist. You don't need to feel bad about it, though he (nick) is a terrible person.
Fuck Nick but go ahead and listen to the music if you like. Dont feel bad about it
I understand why people are upset with Nick and I agree that what he has done is terrible and i'm by no means a fan of his. But that doesn't mean people need to hate McCafferty just for that reason, you are allowed to listen to and enjoy whatever music and media you want to regardless of what others think.
I mean you don't have to feel guilty, their music is objectively good, you can separate the art from the artist
I think “separate the art from the artist” is a personal thing. I can understand both sides of it. Personally, I have a hard time separating the two in any case. The important thing I’ve seen from most people weighing in on these things is acknowledging that that artist has done those awful things and not excuse it because they make music you like or are attached to.
I feel like I have to read these lyrics with Notes App Apology by Heart Attack Man playing
Heart attack man is all the anger over shitty people/bands built up
It’s funny bc they were supposed to go on tour together before shit went sideways
This isn’t confirmed by any means but I have a really hard time believing that that song ISNT about Nick
@@willowgritzmaker409 same
much better song
As a person with BPD, I'm incredibly disappointed that he's blaming his disorder for everything. That's just adding to the stigma, man, that doesn't help anyone. Not even himself.
Funny so mentally ill people are only accepted when they act normal? Lol that’s a laugh. The fact you have BPD and somehow think you’re a spoke person for all of us is absurd. Different people with mental illness have different battles. Stigma? I’m sorry I’m a pain for people in my life, it’s my BPD and it’s open minded people who realize something is wrong with me and are open without judging me. So get off your high horse and thank the lord your BPD, let’s you act “normal” and not fuel to this so called “stigma”
@@user-yk9yz8jk2u Wait, what? I'm sorry that's what you got from my comment, but that's not at all what I said. I'm not sure how to reply tbh. The idea that we can only be accepted when we act normal is part of the stigma. So is implying that everyone with BPD acts this way. That's all I meant. Nor did I claim to speak for everyone.
Editing to also say that I didn't claim to be or act normal so I'm genuinely confused at your response...
@@giselle8153 well I apologize if I misunderstood your comment. I thought you were implying that people with BPD should act a certain way, a more “normal” way. I never try to use my BPD as an excuse but sometimes when I feel real low about a way I acted I need to also realize I’m not “normal”. It sucks and some people truly never understand having to face a mental issue battle. I’m sorry if I came off as confrontational I was just offended.
@@user-yk9yz8jk2u Yeah I wasn't implying that at all. Just saying that BPD, while it influences our actions, is not an excuse to hurt people and not try to be a decent human being. Us not being normal is not an excuse to not make up for our actions.
@@user-yk9yz8jk2u they meant don't use mental Illness as a "I can abuse people" excuse basically.
You missed the part of the statement at the bottom that said "on the way to 1,000,000 monthly listeners". That just sorta shuts down this "I'm better and leaving mccafferty behind" thing hes going for
I came here to say this!
The bottom of the new song he released on Spotify also says “OTW to 1,000,000, wonder if I’ll reach it”
Damn I really dropped the ball on that. Thank you for pointing that out. Super important. Hope you have an outstanding day.
@@NateTheMateForever No worries, I missed it too until my friend pointed it out to me! Hope you do too
I loved mccafferty. They got me through the worst of my big sad. It broke me when I found everything out. Thank you for making this
“I’m not trying to convince you nick is a bad person”
>lists the shit he pulled
“Don’t worry Nate he convinced me plenty”
Haha love you mate
@@NateTheMateForever love ya back brotha
Seems like he really is trying to convince you tho. Nicks not a good person but this is definitely trying to fan the flames
"The Gaslighting Anthem"
Nice. I see what you did there.
I love mcaffertys music, and the term “separate the art from the artist” has never been more true in this situation. I use an app that does not support the creator of the music in any way (i dont use spotify) so i dont have to worry about giving someone like him money, but it still feels shitty when you’re listening to an amazing song and remember that some asshole wrote it.
What app :0? If you can say
@@ghostyghost3695 it is called Musi! Its a music app, but you can access any youtube video by searching it. It is a very good app for watching problematic people if you still like their content (ive seen people use it for youtubers like Jschlatt, carson, and swaggersouls)
@@mediacat20 None of them are thet bad
Tbh Carson should come back it was only 2 ywars
Yes! Agreed! I use Musi as well!
minor point but its not like Spotify supports artists at all lol
is it bad that i’m still sad about everything that came out about him? mccafferty was such a big part of my life and it just hurt so much
No, that's not bad :)
most people have had many experiences like that, it's not just music either, it can happen with friends and family too. He hurt you in with his actions as well he did the people he manipulated (and other things) though maybe not as directly. This might be a chance to for you to find more bands that you have a similar musical relationship with. Just remember that it's pretty similar to someone in your personal life doing something and it does take time to heal and it's ok to still feel sad about it.
Of course not, I can only imagine how it feels for other people like you who loved the band and the big role it played in people’s lives. It’s just a shame that Nick Hartkop is a terrible person.
of course it isn't bad! big parts in your life turning out to be bad will probably hurt for a long time, it's happened to me before and i think most people experience that :]
It’s okay to be sad!
thanks everyone for saying i’m not in the wrong for feeling like that, mccafferty was the first like “alternative” band i got into which opened everything up to my other favorite bands just thinking about it just sucks super hard sometimes
need a camping in alaska video. midwest emo band that hit major popularity with early songs they absolutely hate, most famous song recently hitting 1mil views, but their best, newest work is hardly appreciated.
Yes!!!! Wait, which song hit 1 million views? Anyway I love them, especially their album “please be nice.”, and I really need to listen to their newer stuff
@@pugiguess6548 check out DIY Karma Kit, Chinaski, Johnathan's Lantern, Icarus
@@dakotarussell8116 I’ve listened to Icarus but not the others, I will listen to the others as soon as I can!!!!
DIY Karma Kit and Angel are best
Having ASPD, NPD, BPD or any other mental illness is not an excuse to hurt people or treat them badly. Using mental illnesses as an excuse for abusive behaviors is not only wrong and deceitful, it also hurts the communities of people with these disorders. Just because a person has a personality disorder does not make them an abuser nor a bad person!
Please like so people can see, thank you.
I dated a person with untreated BPD for 5 years and that song absolutely boiled my blood in a way I was NOT expecting. The lyrics are so manipulative and it triggered all that history I thought I had gotten over. I’ve never been so gut wrenched by a song in such a bad way.
Could you imagine walking up to your friend and asking "Hey ! Have you listened to Two Demos Never Realeaser From 2017 so Pleaze Don't Think I'm Coming Back, I Promise You I Won't? "
THE FACT THAT IVE SAID THIS TO LIKE THREE OF MY FRIENDS HURTS
tequila joseph pfp,,,
nick really tried to apologise by dropping the f-slur.....okay
While saying it lmao
What the fuck is a f-slur
I thought he was lgbt?
“sorry i said the f-slur” * says it in his apology, so you know he‘s serious *
@@nothankyou6874 is it fallout? Man, i love that game!
This band is like a sinister 'the front bottoms'
I mean only nick is bad
@@Shen7272 yeah
fr 💀
After Nick's live show a few days ago in Seattle it does seem like he has gone and finally got the help he needed. After outwardly speaking about his therapy and treating his bipolar whilst keeping his fans updated on his blog, it makes me happy to see he has gone to help himself. Especially with the support of his partner, Nick has definitely grown as a person since then.
i swear Nate's voice is going to be nostalgic one day
i loved beachboy because it had such a nostalgic vibe--I found the song after it blew up on tiktok but, like, I swear I had heard it years before. Beachboy made me think about old memories but after this mess, all I'll be able to think about is the new drama.
I can not support McCafferty but I will always support Nate my mate
Well everyone but nick is good
i love you
You can still listen to them, separating the art from the artist is not that hard
The situation with Nick is frustrating, I feel like Isn't it Beautiful was understandable as an "I realize I fucked up and I'm moving on" but it should have been the end. When he mentioned having BPD, it struck me deep - I have been living with BPD for years, and that line helped me understand why I resonate so much with his music - but the way he wields it as an excuse for his actions isn't okay. There are parts of Nick's actions that I do relate to, I haven't always been a good person and I hurt people I cared about before I had an understanding of what was wrong with me. But I was a teenager in an abusive home without proper supports or a grip on my mental health. Nick is an adult who has manipulated and hurt others countless times. I think his BPD diagnosis is legitimate, and I'm proud of him for learning to live with it - trust me, it's not easy, and I'm still unlearning toxic habits every year - and being in the public eye will absolutely exacerbate symptoms, but for sake of everyone involved, it's time for him to step away from McCafferty for good.
2 years later coming back to this i think he did change , i feel a shift in his personality he seems happy and the people in his life seem happy now, so maybe we should take the L on this one
He really called “isn’t it beautiful” a lyrical masterpiece.
I was very surprised when I saw he had released Beachboy 2 and McCafferty vs TFB and I’m not sure how to feel cause I feel bad listening to the music but his music is special to me
@@jkteddy77 yeah, thanks, I will
“I hate myself, I’m sorry that I suck. If only this thing I can’t control called my brain would stop ruining my life.” The embodiment of a grown ass dude with untreated bpd. Maybe in like 5+ years he’ll be alright, but right now is not that time. Ew.
McCafferty Manga lol
We'd have flying cars by now if Nick would just go to therapy and stop manipulating people
He is now
he does!
Yoooo I used to talk to this guy on Instagram, but I kinda kept it strictly as a “hey! inspire me!” kind of relationship, so this is trippy. With that being said, can you look into a video on “it looks sad.” Such an underrated band.
Omg yes! Literally just started getting into them, so dope!
Kaiju is a great album 👌👌
@@Wermfare creature is my favorite !
@@tylerv6341 same :)
Big facts
Me: *sees title*
“Oh my Jfc of course they are”
Great video as always! Being a fan of McCafferty from way back in the moms and dad's era, it's such a shame to see this spiral downwards of probably my all-time favorite band aside from The Wonder Years. Hopefully nick gets the help he needs, and I'll check out the new music, but knowing that plays support him monetarily and the stuff tied to money previously, it'll be one-time listens.
I’ve never been this excited for a video in my life. Like I’m mad that Nick still has any semblance of a platform, but I always love your videos and I’m glad you made this one
the worst part of this is that he’s actually talented
The worst part? Lol
Honestly when I listen to them I make myself forget that nick is in the band and the singer is just the singer guy
This kind of shit is why I don’t usually pay much attention to the band members and their lives. It’s so hard to be “objective” about the music when you hear about stories like these. I still like some of McCafferty’s stuff tho 🤷🏼♂️
Thank you for keeping us up to date and keeping it civil and purely informative, as I’m sure it’s hard to go out of your way to dig up and digest this information so we don’t have to ❤️
Saying "im going to change" for the 10th time doesnt mean anything
i’ve haven’t listened to mcafferty much but nate informs everyone in such a sick way. thanks for making sick vids dawg
Hes claiming now to be making a continuous effort, regularly going to therapy, taking his medication and health seriously, etc. He seems to have done a lot of work on himself and it's good to see. And he says that his profits are going to the Easterseals charity.
It's just after everything it's so hard to believe him. I hope he's improved. I really do. And I hope he continues to improve. But it's hard to just accept it and believe what he says
I’m glad you returned to your McCafferty trilogy
THANK YOU! I was sooo confused when I saw they released a new song on spotify. I was like: "wait.. I thought they split?" so ,you really helped me out here! :)
I'm interested to see if you would be willing to do another update soon or when Snoqualmie comes out. I know he's been posting from time to time on his blog on the official McCafferty website. Thanks for this series! As someone who just got into their music, this helped clear a lot up. I appreciate it when people like you go out of your way to put the facts out there.
i’ve never clicked on a video so fast
Same
I know right
Same
same I was so confused
the radio silence from any of these commentary youtubers since nick has gotten better is so loud
that’s what i was thinking, someone should make a video about how he’s genuinely bettered himself now but i doubt that’ll happen
I mean, Nate hasn't posted on this channel in over a year, almost 2. He may have bettered himself but let's not pretend like any of this is irrelevant. These videos aren't a keemstar-esque hit piece on Hartkop for clicks, they are documenting why the band is where it is.
it’s a huge struggle with people that have bpd, because they don’t even realize that they’re doing what they’ve apologized for.
before nick went MIA he went live and asked for recommendations for songs to make for a new album i commented beachboy pt 2 and began writing it live.... maybe thats why it sounds so pre allegations Mccafferty
it seems he’s doing better which is cool to see
really? where?
@@franzfiranken7548 it keeps deleting my replies. but if u go on their spotify, they have a website where they upload blogs and talk about their bpd and their growth after rehabilitation
Nick is genuinely crazy, that’s all there is to it honestly. People give him power by blowing McCafferty songs up on tiktok and stuff too
isnt it beautiful makes we want to cry every time i hear it
The last verse of beachboy 2 was pretty pog
It’s tragically funny Spotify also suggested Panucci’s Pizza.
The mccafferty videos were like reallly good
Lost my shit laughing at "No longer a piece of music, but a piece of modern art"
death.
i literally just watched all 3 parts of the series for this and thought it was over and then saw this on my recommended from a week ago, i am sobbing.
the end
Had a gf with BPD and this behavior definitely checks out. Just absolute batshit. Manic episodes and then the “I’m sorry but I Don’t plan on changing” and the “feel sorry for me” thing
I like Mccafferty
I kept thinking of the song "Liar" by Rollins Band through this whole video
Yes!!
His videos got me into them. Not die hard fan but I stream them once in awhile.
Im disgraced as someone who suffers from BPD.
Nick released a song called Divva in 2019 and it’s basically one long self pity song
Of course he’s back
Y I K E S
the front bottoms would never do this to us :|
i’m pretty happy that i found the front bottoms first, so i’m less attached to a band with a bag of shit for a lead singer
This is so prevelant in the community. Thier are bands that made such good music where I am from and all it took was one bad seed from with in for it to go bad.
The song tries real hard to accept responsibility and be sorry, then throws phrases that feel like he wants people to feel sorry for him.
I hate everything he's done but I still like his music and I don't want to stop listening to it
And then he dropped an album lol
Yo my mate said manga?? Got some favorite anime Nate?
drop the merch nate!!
I was just wondering if you were gonna make another video on this topic a couple days ago.
And now mcafferty is back once again lol. The cycle repeats itself
MockOrangerty
BRUH I COULDNT LISTEN TO BEACHBOY 2 - the first ones the only one we needed and nothing will come close to that “I need to fix my shit” bop!
i still like some of the mccafferty songs,,, beach boy, trees I and II have very special places in my heart.. but as someone who's been in a toxic relationship and had quite a few toxic friends, this song is so gross. i know this type of apologizing, like you said, it's just a "you should feel sorry for me". and the part where he says he wishes he was dead for bad things he's done??? grow up, change, make up bad things you've done. "oh i am so bad i wish i were dead" is just guilt tripping and making it all about you. i hate it so much. and that song?? yeah, he doesnt care. he hopes no one remembers what he's done and just wants to come back as soon as possible
also idk if you've seen but mccafferty just released a new song yesterday (11.05.2021), queerball ;/ i mean it's a bop and once again speaks to my poor gay heart but,,, y e a h
i didn’t watch the thing but if those events were true, i don’t respect nick, i only respect his music. the music he made was amazing, and without nick, mccafferty wouldn’t be mccafferty. it’s just like if someone else took over pewdiepie’s channel, it wouldn’t be like pewdiepie - it’d be more like something else living inside of his shell, or someone else cast in the shadow of his legacy. i love mccafferty and the music they make, but not the actions nick has done.
I fully believe the no one is past saving or past changing, but man this really pisses me off. When all of the allegations came out against Nick last year, him and his wife were planning on moving to the Seattle area. I live in Washington as well and was seriously talking to him about becoming the drummer for McCafferty. It was an idea that we both liked and wanted to make happen if possible and then all of this came out. McCafferty was my favorite band and I looked up to Nick. I know that there are dozens of people that can say the same thing, so my story isn't unique. All of that aside, I would love to see Nick grow as a person and become better, but he has to leave McCafferty behind and stop trying to grow under a spotlight. If he is serious about all of his mental health issues, then he needs to get help and stop putting out music. He has done enough damage. As it stands, Nick is a piece of absolute garbage, but I want him to get help. And I want him to stop putting out music.
me: *reads title* no their not....
I literally have been listening to McCafferty for about a year without knowing about this controversy. Not sure how to feel now
oh god oh fuck he's back
Mcafferty got some bangers idgaf
I was all about this band for a hot minute, until they blocked me on FB over a comment that was actually defending them.
I completely forgot about McCafferty until I saw this vid
another great video mate!
we do a little trolling
april 6th 2021, "McCafferty incident".
@@sufixeu2455 amogus burger
The new songs are trash, an “opinionated” statement, I’m aware. Just like many think my music is trash. But if Nick was actually sorry, actually paying Chris, Evan and Wes for the royalties on the songs they put work into would be a start. Would it make up for everything? NO. but at least it might actually show some sliver of regret.
Please read the Mccafferty Blog posts, there's a good hours worth of a read there, and give an update video.
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Idiot
Did you just say "howl diabetes"?
Some people are such a mess of drama publicly that it becomes part of the act and they somehow become immune to being canceled. Examples include Azaelia Banks, Keemstar, Kanye. I feel like
Nick Hartkop is the only person in emo to ever pull this off.
You should make a foxing video!
I hope he gets proper help if he hasn’t got any. His BPD could explain a lot of things but doesn’t excuse the things he says, I truly hope he changes. I don’t agree with anything he has done but I can’t help but feel bad as there must be something wrong with him. It’s sad how he’s an amazing singer but has done bad things (the rest of the band is amazing as-well and I’m not discrediting them)
I don't. He doesn't deserve recovery.
@@nooooooooope3809wow that's a great mindset on life 😐
the sound of agony I just made
Damn, McCafferty's releasing more stuff? It's gonna be a blood bath.
For McCafferty. Not the emo industry. Just them. Lmao.
I hate this whole situation so much, I didn’t know about the allegations when I started listening to McCafferty not too long ago and I really should’ve known sooner, I hate that bands I like are toxic so often, I hate that I’m drawn to toxic bands, I should’ve figured out warning signs by now but I still keep liking the music of horrible people and I know I’m the reason I like them but can’t people just try not to be manipulative, bigoted, overall evil assholes for ONCE?
Sorry for the rant, have a good day and I hope you find a band that makes good music AND good life choices :]
I typically separate the band members and the band with the music I listen to. Cause yeah a lot of band members are absolute wankers however their music are works of art (ex Morrissey vs the smiths) but there is something about nick and mcCaffery I can’t vibe with. It’s like I don’t explore the band as I would out of spite to nick. He’s apologised so much and he throws in his bpd so much and I understand it’s important to normalise mental health and especially bpd but he only uses it when he knows he fucked up or to get a few pity points (from my pov) and that boils my blood because it sets a terrible rep of bpd and bpd is not just manipulation and getting pity points. And I really had to share this because it’s a really unfortunate, uncomfortable situation
I liked that you showed the objective truth about everything.
McCafferty had came and went like... 3 or 4 times already?
Waaaay more than that. Been a fan since 2013. It's been wild
Too many to count. There have been many “full” break ups, mini break ups, and everything in-between. Nothing but drama from the beginning
The official ones I can remember are spring 2014, then summer 2014, then radio silence after Jan 2015, til June 2015, all the while hearing again and again how he was gonna be a special ed teacher so he couldn't do McCafferty, then summer 2015 beachboy 2 being teased, then radio silence and "I can't do McCafferty" again, Jan 2016 and beachboy 2 singles again, then "I can't be in McCafferty because I'm a teacher" for the millionth time, then disappearing again after the repress of beachboy/third bb2 single, then the Kickstarter for the ep in Oct 2016,, then him being serious for about a year and some change, then the breakup during their first full us tour in spring 2018, then the acoustic ep summer of 2018 and another breakup, then fucking on and off with whether or not there was gonna be anything, then an actual west coast tour in summer 2019 and talk of the third album, then shit hitting the fan with the allegations, and what seemed to be the final nail in the coffin, then obviously as this video says, nick 'coming back' and making music again, the same patterns. I seen it all from the sidelines man.
Bonus points if anyone remembers the other 'bands' nick tried to do
This band was honestly one of my comfort bands, especially being alt and an ohioan. Guess it's time to move on to another ohio band
i loved mcafferty dude. i pirate their stuff now. :(
I don't even listen to McCafferty as much as i should and i clicked immediately
Attic Abasement video i b e g