Bro thank you so much for this in-depth information! I main a pally but I haven't played well in like 10 years lol. I'm going to get in wow again once hardcore launches. I just found your channel and I'm going to watch every single video lmao! Be well bro and keep up the great work!
@@pallytime2156 yeah I'm definitely going to take a look at them I just finished your video "paladin leveling guide" great info. Which video would be good to watch you actually AOE farm and talk about it?
Someone give this man 1000 subs, the 999 is killing me and he knows a lot about paladin. I know you're all paladin players out there, I've seen the census. C'mooooon.
First time viewer from Sweden here! I really love the uncut estetik of the video! Coughs, throathclear, swearwords, lowbies wispering for help. It's impressive to me that you talked for 50 minutes non-stop and managed to keep it informative and funny at the same time! Great personality! I'll adjust my 43 HC paladin to these advices. I'll have to admit that I've been one of those str+stam guys... and I'm starting to realyze the waterbill is getting high to say the least haha... Thank you! Like and sub!
Seem my most recent guide for the TLDR of it all. Try to grab the nearest Gnome Mage and turn him upside down for water. Or beg for some gamer girl pee. This is the way...
Shockadin healers are OP Blessing of sacrafice saves dungeon raids. I always have light up on target but there are times when you can sacrafice blessing and spam rank 1 on low mana
Its 18.66% ratio... or more. Been saying 15% for years. Drakova Busy with family medical stuff. Wife needs kidney transplant so he's an overtime boy for +40k USD. Or so he says...
Since plate of the eagle gear is highly overpriced and scarce on HC servers, is it worth using of the eagle mail gear over plate of other types if that's all you could get? IE: gorilla or other non-eagle int plate vs. eagle mail
Not really. If you have access to the AH go mail as much as you can. If you can't get mail for whatever reason ware leather. In rare cases you might go leather over mail just because the mail gear is SOOOOO out of date. Stats don't change. Level 30 cloth / leather / mail X item have the same stam / int. So more armor is better. There are SOME acceptions. The blues for example. Its a cold day in hell when you find a Blue Stam / Int piece, where as they are very common as cloth / leather. Don't be fooled though. That Blue cloth 4 stamn / 11 int is WORSE for you than the 4 stam / 4 int mail gear as the same level. Leather is where it gets debatable which is better. Why? If cloth has 10 armor at X level, leather will have 20, mail 40, and plate 80. Or close enough to double double double. Q the Jojo jokes.
Thanks for the advice bud. Because of you I know the class pretty well. My pally is only lv 13 but it's been a fun journey so far.
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Nice one. The original hardcore had a solo self found character (no grouping [exept dungeons], no AH, no mailbox, no trading), so The Big One could only be created by leveling Alchemy to 210 to make the rocket fuel and then drop it and level Engineering to make The Big One. But all that will change if Bliz drops their hardcore servers. The Minor Recombobulator schematic can be bought in the wetlands (Alliance only), but most will still use the Target Dummy, because they share a cooldown. Target Dummies have round about 1000/2000/5000 HP and taunts everything around it.
So I don't need to learn SoR beyond rank 3? Huge gold saver while leveling. Not sure if crafting trinket is possible on solo self-found, as I need to get all materials myself. But cool video, thanks
Solo Self Found for me = Be a Dwarf Paladin, Engi + X Dwarf is nice because you can find chests which have herbs and metal bars for whatever your doing. GO look up a Dark Moon Fair Guide... its one of your BEST gearing methods unironically. Chest Farming = Dangerous below level 30... no Seal of Light to carry you if things get frisky.
Hey buddy , great video , im really excited to play with my friends who are very new to wow so i am hoping to carry them, do you think it would be ok to level with Ret talents and still be able to heal in dungeons with a decent healing set of gear on the side, or do i have to comit to healing ? If so , what kind of talents do you recommend.
Truth? You can't really have your cake and eat it too on this one. You have to pick between leveling Ret or being king carry which is the Stam / Int paladin build. Go check out my "don't be this paladin video" and others in that series and you will see what I mean. I have one video where I am soling Stiches. My advice would be to try them both if you like, Ret and Stam / Int pally. Its not like you won't be needing the gear for healing. You will VERY quickly find that Ret Sucks. Stam / Int Holy Prot is SOOOOOO much better.@@aleksaperetic6696
man thanks for replying to me again, back in Kronos i leveled a Ret pala and honestly it was so goddamn bad. In preparation for Classic HC i have been binging a shitton of your videos and ive seen how good Stam/Int scales, almost no downtime between mobs , insane mana pool, high scaling seals. But what im curious about is, with a 1h and a shield, with holy talents only going up to consecration and then doing your build and going into prot, can i still heal my allies reliably , or should i honestly say fuck it and be the tank of the group?@@pallytime2156
No. The point is that Blessing of Light while Rank 1 FoLing = +50% mana efficiency. Which is more valuable than the mitigation. You can math it though if you like. its a 1 mana for 2.5 healing on average between R1 and Max Rank FoL's going out. And Blessing of Sanc -14-20 damage per hit at 2s a hit per mob.
@@pallytime2156 By constantly casting, you're locking yourself out of the 5 second rule and auto attacks. No spirit mana or SoW/JoW regen, all you get is blessing of wisdom, and you didn't factor the mana blessing of light uses itself, or the loss of dps you could have done. In most cases, you're either not healing enough and need to do a higher rank anyways, or healing too much when you could be doing something productive and generating mana. You're holding your breath and calling it "efficient breathing" because you left the time out of an "over time" equation. Also, your hypothetical environment assumes damage rarely spikes and that combat never ends.
I am not failing in these assumptions. I have done the math and play tested it empirically. I even made a video with the maths fairly recently. Rank 1 FoL spam with Blessing of Light pared with HOLY LIGHTS is compeative with and often BETTER than max rank FoL spam of any kind. If you don't believe me follow these simple rules. 1. Light the Tank 2. FoL Rank 1's until tank will be half life soon. 3. Time Max Rank Holy Lights so tank never falls below 50% life for more than a second. Go Test. Spirt Regen is not a thing for paladin. That's 7s of down time before you get a spirt tick. We gain our mana efficiency though HIGHL mana efficient / low time efficent spell Casting SPAM Ever seen a warrior, a paladin, and a hunter Solo Onyixia? Its Rank 1 FoL and Max Rank HoL's all the way. @@smolpener7430
Quick question, how were you able to raid with your internet connection? Notice you get a lot of severe lag in a few of your videos, can’t imagine being in a raid!
Is there any particular reason why you consider Malistar's Defender to be part of your BIS PVP gear compared to say Death's Bargain or Shield of Condemnation? Does Malistar's extra MP5 really outweigh the +healing and extra armor/block/+heal/stam on the Naxx shields?
Nope. Lots of shields are better than Maltsters. Its just all I got and is a good "anything happens" shield before I swap to something else. I just don't have any other shields worth a damn, and Malistars is still really really good. Even when you have access to Naxx shields Malistars is still solid in many a 1v1 senario because MP5 is better than most other considerations. Hunter, Druid, Rogue (assuming you don't need the armor). Come to mind. Naxx armor is overkill. Good to have but not a big deal. The 15% chance to slow shield is REALLY GOOD.
My paladin is a time on target BiS build missing a few bits here and there. Malistars is arguably bis for it for a variety of reasons... well any shield with High armor, Mp5, and decent stam = BiS. Time on target SURVIVES enemy attacks unstill certain CD's are used like Nade and 1 trinket... then it goes offense. That whole process can take up to 2m or more and the Mp5 is king for longer fights.
I tried to seal twist crusader to command,both rank 1,faster attack with command procs with rly slow weapon speed. But it's just the game is maded,you can't be much stronger,and it's not even fun like some other specs, one more btn is all we needed with low mana cost to make class fun.
There is a book in Dire Maul West I think that reduces seal cost by 20. So things change when SoR rank 3 is 40mana and command R1 is 45. Still paladins, even if we have an extra button to press like in TBC, can't well afford another GDC. We are auto-attack andy's and I get that that is frustrating in PvE but in pvp its one of our less talked about super powers that we can maintain 100% of out DPS while being almost 100% GCD free to instantly dispell things. A common tactic for say, shamans for example, is to wait tell you judge damage and Frost shock you while you are in 1.3s of GCD to get range on you. Point is free GCD's are SUPER important for us to stay in melee with targets. And when they give you an extra button to press in TBC like crusader strike... often you can't use it because enemy just uses it to run away. Seal twisting in Classic WoW = Our Crusader Strike. You need to know EXACTLY when you can use it. Or you will hurt your overall dps, pvp wise. IN PvE = get that book and twist.
@@pallytime2156 did you played as ret in some raids in vanilla with seal twist, I am curious if that increase your dps at all? And did you used jusgment od crusade on boss?
@@aleksadmitrovic940 Rets terriable in raids. Any other questions :P. I just played Holy Reckoning in raids. NEVER respected. Had 2/3 lasting judgment and just put wisdom / light on everything. When you are a paladin putting 30s Judgement of Light on Firemaw... people start to love you VERY quickly.
@@pallytime2156 No no no, I was just fucking around:) You can't even have 51 talents in one tree afaik. You went so hard against deep ret that I just couldn't help but play the role:p Oh and I really appreciate the knowledge you're sharing in your videos. I'm leveling a hardcore character now and following your advice(17 atm).
I have yet to watch one of these videos where he doesn't fail to call multiple spells by the wrong name lol. He also is seemingly always eating or drinking and make sure that he says yum or has an audible pleasure noise when he is putting something in his mouth LOL. Dude is definitely dyslexic
your content isnt bad. but when you talk about xaryu and other peoples mistakes you come off as a condescending snob. It just sounds like "wow these guys are so dumb, im the best. I know it all. "
@@lumbermill8588 this. and also get super mad at the same time because they are all boosted and dont have sap/poly purchased lol. Flipside, I ran into the bis ally wsg meta, all hunters except for 1 rogue, 1 ret healer/ctrl healer, 1 druid healer, 1 spriest. horde's fire mages ran out of mana before they can get off a fireball and we controlled mid with a sea of ice traps lol.
Me, hmmm yes, endgame spellpower coefficients yes very important; dies at lvl 25
Bro thank you so much for this in-depth information! I main a pally but I haven't played well in like 10 years lol. I'm going to get in wow again once hardcore launches. I just found your channel and I'm going to watch every single video lmao! Be well bro and keep up the great work!
I got some multi-part guide I put out recently if you can my coughing and spitting ASMR. I would start thier for PvE
@@pallytime2156 yeah I'm definitely going to take a look at them I just finished your video "paladin leveling guide" great info. Which video would be good to watch you actually AOE farm and talk about it?
@@Christopher_Rivera any paladin gold farming guide basically
Someone give this man 1000 subs, the 999 is killing me and he knows a lot about paladin.
I know you're all paladin players out there, I've seen the census. C'mooooon.
Don't worry about. I been over 1k before never paid it no nevermind.
@@pallytime2156 blessing of subscribers
Appreciate the content. Very useful and much more in depth than anything else out there
First time viewer from Sweden here!
I really love the uncut estetik of the video! Coughs, throathclear, swearwords, lowbies wispering for help.
It's impressive to me that you talked for 50 minutes non-stop and managed to keep it informative and funny at the same time! Great personality!
I'll adjust my 43 HC paladin to these advices.
I'll have to admit that I've been one of those str+stam guys... and I'm starting to realyze the waterbill is getting high to say the least haha...
Thank you! Like and sub!
Seem my most recent guide for the TLDR of it all. Try to grab the nearest Gnome Mage and turn him upside down for water.
Or beg for some gamer girl pee.
This is the way...
@@pallytime2156 "Try to grab the nearest Gnome Mage and turn him upside down for water."🤣
Great video my man!
Delivery and breakdown could be streamlined but overall fantastic information!
Keep it up.
Just started paladin on hardcore and found the tips very helpful, thank you!
You are actually the goat
Shockadin healers are OP
Blessing of sacrafice saves dungeon raids. I always have light up on target but there are times when you can sacrafice blessing and spam rank 1 on low mana
>major recombabulator made by drakova (great dude, i miss his videos)
also nice video, learned a lot. rank 3 SoR for the win
Its 18.66% ratio... or more. Been saying 15% for years.
Drakova Busy with family medical stuff. Wife needs kidney transplant so he's an overtime boy for +40k USD.
Or so he says...
I actually learned a lot of useful information, great video overall! Thank you :)
Since plate of the eagle gear is highly overpriced and scarce on HC servers, is it worth using of the eagle mail gear over plate of other types if that's all you could get? IE: gorilla or other non-eagle int plate vs. eagle mail
i get it int and stam are king but
one question
is wearing anything other than mail/plate during leveling worth it?
Not really. If you have access to the AH go mail as much as you can. If you can't get mail for whatever reason ware leather. In rare cases you might go leather over mail just because the mail gear is SOOOOO out of date.
Stats don't change. Level 30 cloth / leather / mail X item have the same stam / int. So more armor is better.
There are SOME acceptions. The blues for example. Its a cold day in hell when you find a Blue Stam / Int piece, where as they are very common as cloth / leather.
Don't be fooled though. That Blue cloth 4 stamn / 11 int is WORSE for you than the 4 stam / 4 int mail gear as the same level.
Leather is where it gets debatable which is better.
Why? If cloth has 10 armor at X level, leather will have 20, mail 40, and plate 80. Or close enough to double double double. Q the Jojo jokes.
Thanks for the advice bud. Because of you I know the class pretty well. My pally is only lv 13 but it's been a fun journey so far.
Nice one.
The original hardcore had a solo self found character (no grouping [exept dungeons], no AH, no mailbox, no trading), so The Big One could only be created by leveling Alchemy to 210 to make the rocket fuel and then drop it and level Engineering to make The Big One.
But all that will change if Bliz drops their hardcore servers.
The Minor Recombobulator schematic can be bought in the wetlands (Alliance only), but most will still use the Target Dummy, because they share a cooldown. Target Dummies have round about 1000/2000/5000 HP and taunts everything around it.
You can BoP the target dummies...it is so OP
@@wilg.2594 Oh daymn, never thought about that interaction
good points -- Target Dummies are OP af and if they share cooldown with combobulators then it's an easy choice (also doesn't take up trinket slot)
@@wilg.2594 Hmmm, i'm so stupid, i never thought of healing or BoP the dummy. Have to test it out. Thx, mate.
that moment when he talks about leveling and spell power coefficients in full spell power end game gear...
are u hitting the bong or vape, while u recording this video? appreciate it 👍
WTB keybinds?
crazy how sparse leveling info is for paladin. thanks for making this
lmao what? wowhead has a guide
So I don't need to learn SoR beyond rank 3? Huge gold saver while leveling. Not sure if crafting trinket is possible on solo self-found, as I need to get all materials myself. But cool video, thanks
Solo Self Found for me = Be a Dwarf Paladin, Engi + X
Dwarf is nice because you can find chests which have herbs and metal bars for whatever your doing.
GO look up a Dark Moon Fair Guide... its one of your BEST gearing methods unironically.
Chest Farming = Dangerous below level 30... no Seal of Light to carry you if things get frisky.
Dude you good? You were like choking for half the video 😂
that guy is still waiting 5 mins ^^;; nice video
We got him taken care of after, all good.
😂😂😂😂
Hope you helped that guy with his quest after. 😂
Best to level 1 hand shield ret or 2 hand ret ?
1 Hand sheild with consecration fighting 1 mob at a time. You level about 10% slower dps wise, but you run less and are SUPER suvivable. Easily BiS.
Hey buddy , great video , im really excited to play with my friends who are very new to wow so i am hoping to carry them, do you think it would be ok to level with Ret talents and still be able to heal in dungeons with a decent healing set of gear on the side, or do i have to comit to healing ? If so , what kind of talents do you recommend.
If its not hardcore all you need is INT to heal until raid time.
@@pallytime2156 yeah we're playing hardcore , how would that change the strat ?
Truth? You can't really have your cake and eat it too on this one. You have to pick between leveling Ret or being king carry which is the Stam / Int paladin build.
Go check out my "don't be this paladin video" and others in that series and you will see what I mean. I have one video where I am soling Stiches.
My advice would be to try them both if you like, Ret and Stam / Int pally. Its not like you won't be needing the gear for healing. You will VERY quickly find that Ret Sucks. Stam / Int Holy Prot is SOOOOOO much better.@@aleksaperetic6696
man thanks for replying to me again, back in Kronos i leveled a Ret pala and honestly it was so goddamn bad. In preparation for Classic HC i have been binging a shitton of your videos and ive seen how good Stam/Int scales, almost no downtime between mobs , insane mana pool, high scaling seals. But what im curious about is, with a 1h and a shield, with holy talents only going up to consecration and then doing your build and going into prot, can i still heal my allies reliably , or should i honestly say fuck it and be the tank of the group?@@pallytime2156
So I blessing of light to make sure I maximize over healing instead of just letting the tank mitigate more damage?
No. The point is that Blessing of Light while Rank 1 FoLing = +50% mana efficiency.
Which is more valuable than the mitigation.
You can math it though if you like.
its a 1 mana for 2.5 healing on average between R1 and Max Rank FoL's going out.
And Blessing of Sanc -14-20 damage per hit at 2s a hit per mob.
@@pallytime2156 By constantly casting, you're locking yourself out of the 5 second rule and auto attacks. No spirit mana or SoW/JoW regen, all you get is blessing of wisdom, and you didn't factor the mana blessing of light uses itself, or the loss of dps you could have done.
In most cases, you're either not healing enough and need to do a higher rank anyways, or healing too much when you could be doing something productive and generating mana.
You're holding your breath and calling it "efficient breathing" because you left the time out of an "over time" equation.
Also, your hypothetical environment assumes damage rarely spikes and that combat never ends.
I am not failing in these assumptions. I have done the math and play tested it empirically.
I even made a video with the maths fairly recently.
Rank 1 FoL spam with Blessing of Light pared with HOLY LIGHTS is compeative with and often BETTER than max rank FoL spam of any kind.
If you don't believe me follow these simple rules.
1. Light the Tank
2. FoL Rank 1's until tank will be half life soon.
3. Time Max Rank Holy Lights so tank never falls below 50% life for more than a second.
Go Test.
Spirt Regen is not a thing for paladin. That's 7s of down time before you get a spirt tick.
We gain our mana efficiency though HIGHL mana efficient / low time efficent spell Casting SPAM
Ever seen a warrior, a paladin, and a hunter Solo Onyixia? Its Rank 1 FoL and Max Rank HoL's all the way. @@smolpener7430
Quick question, how were you able to raid with your internet connection? Notice you get a lot of severe lag in a few of your videos, can’t imagine being in a raid!
1. I raided with a Chinese guild and didn't lag with them.
2. You can still spam healing fine while lagging... try it :P
@@pallytime2156 legend
and what would be the talent build and order, for that stamina INT fast weapon build?? Cause u wont go SoC with that would u??
No command, just SoR Rank 3 and Crusader. I have some vids on it specifically
Is there any particular reason why you consider Malistar's Defender to be part of your BIS PVP gear compared to say Death's Bargain or Shield of Condemnation? Does Malistar's extra MP5 really outweigh the +healing and extra armor/block/+heal/stam on the Naxx shields?
Nope. Lots of shields are better than Maltsters. Its just all I got and is a good "anything happens" shield before I swap to something else.
I just don't have any other shields worth a damn, and Malistars is still really really good. Even when you have access to Naxx shields Malistars is still solid in many a 1v1 senario because MP5 is better than most other considerations. Hunter, Druid, Rogue (assuming you don't need the armor). Come to mind.
Naxx armor is overkill. Good to have but not a big deal. The 15% chance to slow shield is REALLY GOOD.
My paladin is a time on target BiS build missing a few bits here and there. Malistars is arguably bis for it for a variety of reasons... well any shield with High armor, Mp5, and decent stam = BiS.
Time on target SURVIVES enemy attacks unstill certain CD's are used like Nade and 1 trinket... then it goes offense. That whole process can take up to 2m or more and the Mp5 is king for longer fights.
Is this still valid after on years with the servers version running today 2024?
Mostly... though I would look for some more recent stuff. Anything to do with Spirt or Stam/Intellect
Going to try agility / intellect gear.
Lvl funny made my day for some reason.
It's a serious struggle listening to this dude lol
love the not mute at ~18:00
Seeing websites recommend the str talents and rigthuous over int makes me cringe a bit 🙂
Good guide!
What aura should I keep on for levelling bro?
2 hander = Armor
1 Hander = Ret
Elite Enemies = Armor
Recombobulator is goated, used to use that bad boy in Loatheb :)
I tried to seal twist crusader to command,both rank 1,faster attack with command procs with rly slow weapon speed. But it's just the game is maded,you can't be much stronger,and it's not even fun like some other specs, one more btn is all we needed with low mana cost to make class fun.
There is a book in Dire Maul West I think that reduces seal cost by 20. So things change when SoR rank 3 is 40mana and command R1 is 45.
Still paladins, even if we have an extra button to press like in TBC, can't well afford another GDC. We are auto-attack andy's and I get that that is frustrating in PvE but in pvp its one of our less talked about super powers that we can maintain 100% of out DPS while being almost 100% GCD free to instantly dispell things.
A common tactic for say, shamans for example, is to wait tell you judge damage and Frost shock you while you are in 1.3s of GCD to get range on you.
Point is free GCD's are SUPER important for us to stay in melee with targets. And when they give you an extra button to press in TBC like crusader strike... often you can't use it because enemy just uses it to run away.
Seal twisting in Classic WoW = Our Crusader Strike. You need to know EXACTLY when you can use it. Or you will hurt your overall dps, pvp wise.
IN PvE = get that book and twist.
@@pallytime2156 did you played as ret in some raids in vanilla with seal twist, I am curious if that increase your dps at all? And did you used jusgment od crusade on boss?
@@aleksadmitrovic940 Rets terriable in raids. Any other questions :P.
I just played Holy Reckoning in raids. NEVER respected. Had 2/3 lasting judgment and just put wisdom / light on everything.
When you are a paladin putting 30s Judgement of Light on Firemaw... people start to love you VERY quickly.
After all these years I didn't know you could use recombobulator on yourself, hah, that's insane..ly dumb of me. Cheers!
Bring this oscar a man.
Int>>> str
I wasnt convinced he was trolling until he said not to use health or mana pots while levling. lmao
Hm, maybe it's time to give my 0/0/51 talent, str/agi(for the crit), 4.00 second Polearm(for the reach) build a rest...
Polearms have REACH in Classic?
Drakova says that build is GOOD but thats on servers where you can DIE
@@pallytime2156 No no no, I was just fucking around:) You can't even have 51 talents in one tree afaik.
You went so hard against deep ret that I just couldn't help but play the role:p
Oh and I really appreciate the knowledge you're sharing in your videos. I'm leveling a hardcore character now and following your advice(17 atm).
I have yet to watch one of these videos where he doesn't fail to call multiple spells by the wrong name lol. He also is seemingly always eating or drinking and make sure that he says yum or has an audible pleasure noise when he is putting something in his mouth LOL. Dude is definitely dyslexic
Cry about it. You’ll be able to figure it out as long as you don’t got shit for brains.
Would love to see you make an hour long in-depth breakdown
You didnt cover your mic btw
your content isnt bad. but when you talk about xaryu and other peoples mistakes you come off as a condescending snob. It just sounds like "wow these guys are so dumb, im the best. I know it all. "
Ahhh so paladin + easymode = healer spec
I take a break from the game and the game blows up. Cruel world haha.
BGs are a bunch of fresh 60s desperately trying to get r10, you'll be a god amongst mere mortals.
@@lumbermill8588 this. and also get super mad at the same time because they are all boosted and dont have sap/poly purchased lol.
Flipside, I ran into the bis ally wsg meta, all hunters except for 1 rogue, 1 ret healer/ctrl healer, 1 druid healer, 1 spriest. horde's fire mages ran out of mana before they can get off a fireball and we controlled mid with a sea of ice traps lol.
@@stevenpitera8978 I did an AB where we had no healer and we were 4 capping. Strange games.
no one in Hardcore uses Major or Minor Recombulator Trinket... if you can believe that.
@@pallytime2156 major makes sense because isn't it a drop from a dungeon? Minor is easy to get though so no excuses for them lol
Good info. Would make these vids infinitely better if they were 10-20 minutes and succinct. There's a lot of chaff
Mage is the easy mode class of hardcore Classic lol not Paladin :D
promo sm 😁
Great video. But should cut out the (blah blah blah) stuff u do. Can get very annoying if done to much. Just drink some water in its place
Please don't drink while recording. It's loud. Thanks. Great video otherwise!
ASMR BABY!!!
Don't know what happened to my other comment.
I would respectfully like to disagree with your video.
th-cam.com/video/tZvA0OlQMXk/w-d-xo.html
Blah blah blah blah blah
Zero keybinds, clicking spells, bad advice and the worst part is… you think you know what you’re talking about. Wow.
Tell that to the 88% up votes on this video. Kind of low for me honestly. Usually I run 90+
clicker