UK vs USA Pie! // why did Americans reject meat pies?
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Fun facts for this video!
In the US, everything shown in these pictures would be called a pie. In the UK, you might call it a tart or something else, but that is what Americans think of as "pie," which is part of the whole reason for this video on differences.
My claim is not that apple pie was invented in the US (it's not, as many of you have pointed out) - it's that apple pie has become synonymous with American patriotism in the states. :)
Apple & Blackberry Pie ( real Pie with a pastry top ) Made with Blackberrys from the hedgerows & scrumped Apples, and baked by my Grandmother . Used to literally live off them for a couple of weeks each year as a child. ( P.s." Scrumped " means acquired with out payment, direct from the tree in England ).
Your sweet pies look like tarts to me. And the U.K. has lost of sweet tarts - an iconic one would be Bakewell tart
Scotch pie is my favourite you can also get maccaroni pie and curry pies
@@timhannah4
Your pudding is bread
@@clivebonehill3348free pie is the best pie! 😂
Pies have a pastry lid. Without a lid, it's a tart.
Or a pizza, pizza is not a pie
I came here to say this. Most of the things Americans call pies are actually tarts.
Pizza pie
Or a flan.
Except that shepherds pie does not have pastry at all (on the lid or the base).
Apple pies originated in England. The first written recipe dates back to an English Cookbook published in 1381 in which it was referred to as a “Tartys in Applis”.
I think to find similar items to what you are referring to as sweet American pies, in the UK you’d really have to take a look at tarts, like treacle tart, which I think has many similarities to a pecan pie only instead of pecans, breadcrumbs are used and instead of corn syrup, golden syrup is used but they have very similar flavour profiles…in my opinion. Then of course there’s jam tarts, Bakewell tart, custard tart, Devonshire strawberry tart, Scottish pineapple tarts, lemon tart, Ecclefechan tarts, coconut and raspberry tarts, almond flory tart, Scottish strawberry tarts, Congress tarts, butterscotch tart, cornflake tart etc. etc. etc.
We have many traditional open top sweet pies here in the UK we just mostly call them tarts, though they are even sometimes called cakes or puddings too, like the Welsh amber pudding. But for the most part in the UK a pie is something that has a covered top be that in either pastry or mashed potato and usually has a pastry base too (unless topped with mash, like cottage/shepherd/Cumberland/fish/admiral pie) the only real exception to that rule that I can think of is banoffee/banoffi pie, which was actually based on or inspired by a US sweet pie recipe called Blum’s Coffee Toffee Pie, which was apparently quite unreliable and was only created in the 1970’s, so is not seeped in the UK traditional pie or tart rules. Though it is also often made with a crushed biscuit base like a cheesecake.
Rhubarb pie and custard is lovely. In fact we British use most home grown fruit in pies
give me Grandma's Blackcurrant Pie anyday.
Rhubarb pie! Oh yes!! Or even Rhubarb crumble (which is arguably even better)
Crumble 🥰
My Missouri grandmother used to make Strawberry-Rhubarb pie. I haven't had it in about 60 years. My grandparents had a farm and they also used a lot of home-grown fruit in pies and cobblers as well as wild-grown (like persimmons).
At the moment I have Rhubarb and Gooseberries growing in my garden , I can’t wait 😋😋for the pies and crumbles my wife will make out of them this year.
Traditional British sweet pies usually have a top crust and seasonal fruit: apple - cherry - gooseberry - blackcurrant- blueberry- rhubarb - plum - damson - quince ….. softer fruits often do not have a crust and may have frangipane - strawberry - raspberry - pear. Lemon meringue etc. are French influence.
As a Brit, the first pie that I think of if someone mentions a fruit or sweet pie is apple pie.
It was something brought over to the USA by those from the UK, mostly. It's a traditional fruit pie and I think most British people would think of this first!
Growing up in the UK in the '70s, my mother would always make apple pie with whole cloves in it.
My Grandma always had cloves in her apple pies 😊
Cloves, pinch of cinnamon and a handful of dried mixed fruit beautiful.
Sing a song of sixpence,
A pocket full of rye,
Four and twenty blackbirds
Baked in a pie.
When the pie was opened
The birds began to sing-
Wasn't that a dainty dish
To set before the king?
The king was in the counting-house
Counting out his money,
The queen was in the parlor
Eating bread and honey,
The maid was in the garden
Hanging out the clothes.
Along came a blackbird
And snipped off her nose.
Sing a song of sixpence,
A pocket full of rye,
Four and twenty blackbirds
Baked in a pie.
When the pie was opened
The birds began to sing-
Wasn't that a dainty dish
To set before the king?
@lemdixon01 The king should have paid his gas bill and then the pie wouldn't have come out the oven raw. 😁
I love blackbirds, but pigeon pie 🥧 is alright by me
Steak and ale/ steak and stilton
4 and 20 black birds were actually young rooks called branchers,they couldn't fly but just walk and flutter on the branches, someone would climb up and catch them or knock them onto the ground to be caught by someone else..l
Yeah, savoury pie for the Brits. The beaks can take some swallowing.
Apple Pie is a British classic, not just an American thing.
The eating apple is not indigenous to America, but was cultivated by seeds and cuttings from Europe…Without Europe, there would be no ‘American as Apple Pie’…It should read, “As American as English Apple Pie”..😄
The reason British apple pie does not have cinnamon is that the cinnamon was an expensive imported spice, whereas apples and pastry are cheap, so apple pies without cinnamon were more common. The Europeans tend to use more cinnamon and that may be due to being more available and of course that tradition emigrated to US.
The French do the best Apple 🍎 pie aka Apple Tart Tatin
As I recall the first mention of apple pie was in a Dutch cookery book long before America was a nation. It was also mentioned in Britain before then so yes! As American as English Apple Pie!
@@Mabinogion It's recorded in an English recipe book before the Dutch, so at the moment it's an English invetion.
My favourite pie is steak and kidney. Favourite fruit pie is apple but must be Bramley apple, which is why I have an English bramley apple tree in my french garden. Best served with cheese.
Steak and Kidney is my absolute favourite pie, served with mash, marrowfat peas and thick onion gravy.
Rabbit and black pudding pie is right up there too, I also love pheasant pie when I can source the birds.
I prefer Steak and kidney pudding to the pie version.
@@Stormcrow_1 It's a hard choice.
Love Snake and Pygmy pie or pudding.
Snake and Owl is a decent second.
@@stephenlee5929 What sort of pygmy complements snake? and is chicken a good substitute for snake?
@@Stormcrow_1 Hi, on the off chance this is a serious question:
In this instance Snake is Beef stewing Steak, and Pygmy is Lambs kidney, but I think Pigs kidney are useable.
This style of stew/pie/pudding became popular replacing Beef and Oyster, following a rise in the price of oysters (note they used to be very cheap, but pollution closed the main oyster beds on the Thames.
Real snake does, I'm told, taste like chicken.
But I think Mushrooms can be used to replace the Pygmy.
Ireland here .... My mother baked us homemade Apple TART (and Rhubarb).
Since then, I've only ever seen that same naming. These were/are overwhelmingly lidded. I appreciate the other comments on Pie/Tart differentiation, I'm just providing my own observations.
To me, the apple pie that I grew up eating in the UK contained whole cloves - it was always a competition between me and my dad to see who got the most! (We didn't eat them, just put them on the side of the dish!) I love all kinds of pie, especially steak and ale, and lemon meringue pie!
defo cloves
Yep, cloves- essential
A double crust pie can have meat or fruit inside. I grew up in Northern England and my mother baked both. Fruit pies were usually baked on a plate, we called it a plate cake.
Freshly picked gooseberry tart - a childhood favourite! Along with jam and lemon curd tarts, Simple and delicious. It would be nice to do a comparison of puddings
I thought pies without a topping crust are tarts eg. Bakewell Tart.
Ahem. Bakewell PUDDING!
@@ChalcedonXXX Now you're talking!
There are many variations of pies that America invented. Pecan pie is not a tart,neither are pies that are cream and American pudding based
The French word tart can be translated to mean pie or tart
The best baker in my family during our childhood was Gramma. She insisted that if it was savoury, it was a pie, if it had suet it was a pudding, if it was sweet it was a tart, and if it was open-topped it was a flan if sweet or a quiche if savoury. Whilst living in the US in the 80s/90s, my local courthouse square diner always had chicken pot pie on the menu. It was great. 😋
A woman after my own heart.
The first type of pie that came to my mind was my mother's apple pie. I'm English!
American style Apple Pie was actually made In the Netherlands long before taken to the Americas.
Rhubarb pie and mince pies are definitely iconic British sweet pies. Also cherry.
Mince pies at Christmas are (these days) sweet pies, and certainly very iconic. Apple pie is also very popular.
Steak pie is my favourite.
Mince meat pie is popular at Thanksgiving in America and has no meat. My father prefers it over pumpkin pie, so my mother bakes both at Thanksgiving, because the rest of the family prefers pumpkin pie.
(& kidney)
@@BrandonLeeBrownYeah, not sure why it's called mince'meat'. I'm surprised you have them in the States, I didn't think you guys enjoyed dried fruit desserts?
@@mehallica666 We have "fruit cake" too, and like in the UK, it is made of candied and dried fruits. It normally doesn't have alcohol though. Historically, mince meat pie did have meat. The reason Americans call opened top pies, "pies" is because most are custard pies and I think the UK has the term, "custard pie", which is also open top.
@@BrandonLeeBrown It's just that many other similar creators often explain it's something they've never come across before moving here. And CERTAINLY aren't keen when they've tried it. I LOVE fruit cake. In fact, it's the only type of cake I do eat.
I love the Stargazy pie pictures that are used to show Americans "look what disgusting sxxt they eat in the UK! “. As a middle-aged Brit I'd never seen or heard of Stargazy pie until about 12 months ago when it popped up in TH-cam vids. I bet even in Cornwall nobodys eaten one since about 1843.
Yes, it's like jellied eels in that respect. I bet more Brits eat sushi than jellied eels...
@@jrd33That’s because jellied eels are more of an East London thing than British.
@@keithwindow4435 Also because Eels are becoming rare, over fishing, not sure whether to be sad, I've never eaten them.
Indeed. The videos "accidentaly" forget that a Stargazy pie is just a fish pie and probably delicious (ive never had one either), the fish heads are just for decoration and you dont eat them (unless people want to i suppose). The take home for me is that Americans just add "pie" to the end of almost all food and then claim they invented it. A bit like the Enigma device they famously captured singlehandedly in that film. Almost all their "pie" deserts are just tarts. And pizza pie? WTF is that? Just pizza.
I could eat a pie (meat of course) right now. But honorable mention must go a proper farm/butchers pork pie with a healthy dollop of Picalilly. A rare treat.
Stargazy pie is cooked and eaten in Mousehole, Cornwall (by the way its pronounced 'mowsel') every 23rd December to celebrate Tom Bawcock's Eve and has been a tradition since the 16th century - Also, the contestant, Mark Hix WON the BBC's 'Great British Menu' with a variation of Stargazy Pie in 2007... 😊
I have only one thing to say about pies, and it concerns pies in the UK (I don't know whether the same applies in the US), and that is, a proper pie has a pastry bottom, sides and top. All those establishments here in the UK that sell "pies" in some sort of earthenware bowl are just selling some sort of stew with a pastry lid which is a cop out.
The standard Scottish steak pie (particularly for New Year) does not have a pastry base or sides, just a puff pastry top.
I studied pie at college but it was pi which is 3.1471 for electronics. XL=2piFL XC = 1/2piFC
Then there's the Raspberry Pi....
and the life of Pi (on his boat)
You were going in circles, clearly.
@@wessexdruid7598 I guess you'd use pi if you wanted to know the circumference of a pie if you know the radius using pi * r squared. Then there's the old PIE British TV sets 📺
@@lemdixon01 Now you're getting confused with Pye.
Just to add to your knowledge of pies, there i/was a bakers in Iron Bridge (where the worlds first bridge mde of iron was built) that among its specialities has a Pork Pie Wedding Cake. Three pies graduating from a large base pie yo a smaller top pie.
I'm in Oswestry but I used to live 4 miles from Iron Bridge in Aquaduct near Dawley. My friend once took a 4 mile detour to get some of the pork pies at the bakery at Iron Bridge lol. They used to sell them in the pub in Broseley but they stopped which was not good as its nice with some mustard and a pint.
there used to be a bakery in Cleckheaton that did the same, best pork pies I've ever eaten
My favourite is Blackcurrant Tart. Only recently have blackcurrants been allowed in the USA following a crop disease. It’s a slightly tart rather than sweet tart or pie.
Here’s another old joke for your repertoire. Steak & Kidney pie is often referred to as Snake & Pygmy pie!
I've also heard steak & kidney pies called Kate & Sidney pie.
Blueberry Pie....Now your talking 👄
@@denniswilliams160 Snake and Sidney.
my favourite is my Grandma's Blackcurrant Pie.
Blackberry pies or blackberry & apple pies are well known in UK, as you can pick blackberries for free from hedgerows etc in August and early September, and once you've picked and eaten your fill of blackberries the obvious thing is to make a pie of the remainder.
There is also the applications of pie to mathematics.
Something to do with the circumference of my waistband, multiplied by 3.14
i got to throw apple and rhubarb crumble in the mix
Best food on earth with custard
I have to throw Rhubarb in the Bin.
Steak & Kidney Pies should be high on the list
I did like homemade pumpkin pie when I was in the US when I had a thanksgiving dinner and I also tried for the first time homemade cranberry sauce which is much better than from a jar.
No lamb? How do they survive?
@@marydavis5234 What a pity.
@@marydavis5234 it's expensive here too but it's my favorite meat so i won't be giving it up....... no idea why its so expensive given the amount of sheep reared worldwide
@@marydavis5234 That is expensive.
I have lived in the USA for over 20 years now. I notice that many Americans do not like the idea of eating little baby lambs! Strangely, most animals are slaughtered for meat while they are young and lambs are used at about the same point in their life-span as other animals are.
Whenever I have served lamb, my American friends find they really like it.
Seasonally it is not too highly priced, but there are times in the year where it's definitely harder to find.
It appears to be getting more popular here in Ohio though.
In the UK we also have a sweet pie called a strawberry tart that's usually small in size for one person. It's super delicious. We usually call sweet pies a tart, so an apple pie would be an apple tart
Having spent some time in Australia it's also fair to say that the Ozzies love meat pies as much as us Brits. Maybe even more so. But anyway, another great vid, Caitlin.
So do the Kiwis. Steak and cheese seemed to be the favourite when I was there.
@AnneDowson-vp8lg still is.
Personally, I prefer my homemade steak, mushroom, onion (not red, not caramelised). Hint of paprika. Mashed potato top.
You are so cool! You just really are! You're an informative comedian! Seriously have me laughing with your delivery and word choice. I absolutely love it!
Many apple pie recipes in the UK would substitute cloves for cinnamon. Other great pies include: egg and bacon, blackberry, caramel, pear, gooseberry, treacle tart. Fun fact: raspberry tart is cockney for fart hence blowing a raspberry!
Pasties are a kind of pie done up in a certain way (in particular Cornish pasties). In the singular it's pasty.
Hi there, Fellow American Expat here in London at present. In my youth, my parents owned a bakery so I’ve spent a lot of time in Pie Land. And while I do bake a lot myself and love a good Apple, Blueberry or Lemon Meringue, among others, thanks to much traveling in Australia, NZ, Ireland and the UK I’ve also fallen in love with a good savoury pie myself. Steak & Ale pies are a favorite but, since my son adores both Cottage and Shepherd’s pies I’ve made many of them. Let it be known though, no ears of corn were injured in the making 😜. And I for one will always eschew the casserole dish in favor of a nice flakey pie crust. There’s just no comparison. 😊
Excellent! UK war rations lasted until 1954, so people might have lost their sweet tooth during the 15-year sugar shortage. Also, hand pies, pasties, etc. were a convenient meal for miners to pocket for their shift below.
Rationing remained in effect until the early 1950s. Meat was the last item to be derationed and rationing ended completely in 1954, nine years after the war ended. The UK was the last country involved in the war to stop rationing food.
@@wolfman6941 Thanks for the maths correction! Yes the War Effort had far reaching effects. I was raised in Canada by Scots and English family. No sweets, and zero waste. Even when fortunes improved, there were soap shavings under the sink, a brick in the toilet cistern, and four blue corners pegged to the wash line that were once a J-Cloth.
@@danmayberry1185 By the mid 50's in the UK Harold Macmillan, British Prime Minister, was telling our parents or grandparents "Let us be frank about it, most of our people have never had it so good".
@wolfman6941
Food rationing ended in 1954, coal rationing lasted till July 1958. Exchange controls introduced in 1939, where removed in 1979. I was constantly reminded by family members about rationing, and encouraged to eat up everything on the plate. Rationing cast a long shadow on Britain post war.
Brits love both kinds of Pie and the American apple pie is also British in origin
Yeah lol. As american as apple pie!...... what british?
Yup, a British creation in 1381.
@@dont_give_a_flying_fIt was invented long before Columbus set sail for the Americas. I can't think of many foods Americans invented.
you mean French it was only invented in Britain from french pilgrims
@@paulmilner8452 the first recorded recipe for apple pie was written in 1381 in England.
I have always regarded open-top or lattice-topped pies as tarts. I have also heard that minced pies could be a contraction of minced sweetmeats.
Mince pies used to have meat in them.
I'd say lattice topped are pies, open top is definitely a tart though.
I like a pork and apple pie. This is a standard pork pie with a bit of apple sauce included because apple sauce is the traditional accompaniment to roast pork. Definitely a savoury pie.
For sweet pies, I like apple and blackcurrant, which I assume that the USA doesn't have since it doesn't have blackcurrants, and rhubarb pie, though it is more commonly served as a crumble.
This brings up pie-adjacent food, such as crumbles, cobblers, tarts, flans and puddings, all of which share many filling ideas with each other.
Some states have now lifted the ban on growing currants so it depends on where you live as to whether you can get currants or not. I love currants so I wish every state would do the same.
Dunno if this had already come up, but my favourite savoury/meat has to be Scotch pie. Unlike the heavy pastry of (Melton Mowbray?) pork pie, the Scotch pie - most importantly - for being made with lighter, water-crust pastry and minced (ground) lamb. Sadly rather hard to procure outside of Scotland (?except in a couple of the frozen food chains).
One difference between chippies north and south of the border can be the default pie you will get on request of "Pie and [chips and][ mushy] peas": In England it will likely be a pork (or beef?) pie, in Scotland a lamb pie - though others may have varied experience in this matter.
I used to like the macaroni cheese pies in Scotland.
I don't entirely agree with your comments about fruit pies but I do accept they seem to be getting less popular in the UK. In fact today, for lunch, we've had a blackberry and apple pie (mixed) made from last seasons apples from our tree and blackberries from our garden Blackberries are also widely available for free from British hedgerows in the Autumn. Where do they go when people collect them? In a fruit pie. My mother made us fruit pies on a regular basis when I was a child. Remember who first took apple pie to the US. Apples aren't even native to North America and were introduced by settlers from Europe. Britons were eating apple pie before the early settlers even landed in North America.
I think a lot of harvested wild blackberries will end up in crumbles rather than pies. Less effort required.
The best pies are in Scotland, a steak and ale pie with a puff pastry top, nothing beats that, especially from a good quality Scottish pub in the Highlands.
Best pie I ever ate in Scotland was lamb and it was from Lamb & Gardiners Shell garage in Coupar Angus, can't wait to go back, gonna 12 of the wee beasties for us freezer
With the English pie-o-neers they will have known of Blackberry pie 🥧 which in northern England is also called "Bramble pie" as it is often picked while rambling ( walking) But it seems our American cousins took more to blueberry (than blackberry) Although I have seem americans picking blackberries in the south states.
From where I am in Scotland, the 3 most popular pies are steak & Gravy pie, mince pie, and my favourite, the macaroni pie. The traditional Scottish pie is very different from pies south of the border, particularly the traditional steak pie, which does not use a pie case and has puff pastry on top!! On a side note, a mince pie here is known as a scotch pie in England.
Interesting. My Scottish dad raised us in Canada on neep and tattie everything, including pie.
A mince pie is now just minced beef, and the casing is round with a softer thin crust. Mutton is no longer popular and you will mainly just find the beef option here
I love Scotch pies! Crispy pastry, with plenty of gravy oozing out.
Deep fried ?
Yes they have Scottish pies in Morrisons, they're nice.
Most (but not all) "pies" in America do have some type of custard filling, therefore are open top. The non-custard filled pies do often have a top crust on them.
"Americans put corn in their shepherd's pies"
I'm sorry, we do WHAT?
Vegan Shepard Pies are a travesty. The companies who make Vegan Shepard’s Pie should be fined from using the Shepard’s in their product title. While for Pie Manufacturers they should be forced to join an organisation that poses strict limitations on what must go in each type of pie. If they don’t follow the rules they must rename their product or face fines. Unfortunately the food industry on a whole would be scared to pose limitations on what must go in each type of product,
I love how you very neatly skirted around how to pronounce the Cornish village of Mousehole, home of the Stargazy Pie! It's Mouzle, in case you were wondering. 😆
very well noticed Andy 😂 Thanks for the pronunciation!
Venison pie with mushrooms and a suet crust. Seriously yum.
Blackberry & apple pie was a favourite during the war as we could go and pick wild blackberries & quite a few people had apple trees in their gardens
Sing a song of sixpence,
A pocket full of rye.
Four and twenty blackbirds
Baked in a pie.
When the pie was opened,
The birds began to sing.
Wasn't that a dainty dish
To set before the king?
The king was in his counting house,
Counting out his money.
The queen was in the parlour,
Eating bread and honey.
The maid was in the garden,
Hanging out the clothes,
When down came a blackbird
And pecked off her nose.
As a child in the UK I remember a nursery rhyme that included a line about "a pieman selling of his wares". In my mind they were always pork pies and my mouth watered in anticipation of eating one.
Rhubarb pie
Apple & Rhubarb pie
Peach flan, basically a sponge cake base with peaches & set jelly (Jello)
Strawberry & pear pie
All above can be as a Cumble (cobbler) all served with hot custard, evaporated milk, ice cream or fresh double cream
My friend's a pie smuggler, smuggling pies across the Shropshire and Cheshire border.
I'm seriously impressed. Your dry wit & sarcasm skills are definitely up at a senior competition level now. Keep it up. 👍
You should have considered Australian pies as well, they are much more important here than in the UK. Aside from the basic meat and gravy, we've created a vast array of wonderful pie fillings (including kangaroo, emu, and crocodile meat). Tonight I'm having a pie I made using slow-cooked beef, red wine, onion, mushroom, and cream as the basic ingredients.
My wife make the best pie on the planet ,previously cooked baby new potatoes and leaks covered in grated red Leicester, mature cheddar and Shropshire blue cheese (other blue cheeses have been tried and all work fabulously). For pudding cherry pie
I'm not sure that that list of top pies in the UK is very representative. Just did my own quick search, and that one seems an outlier for not having sweet pies on it. Most of the ones I can find have at least Apple, Lemon Meringue and Banoffee alongside the meat pies.
Also, when I was growing up, I can only remember hearing about Pot Pies on shows from the US.
I always though pot pies were developed in the hippy sixties as an alternative edible high to hash brownies.
Iconic uk sweet pie
Mince pie!
If shepherds pie is a pie, apple crumble should probably be a pie too
We have a local pie in my part of Lancashire - the Butter Pie. Because Roman Catholics didn't eat meat on Fridays, sales of the usual Meat & Potato were down, so they came up with this delicacy. The filling consists of potato and onion, with extra pepper. Then a good layer of butter is added before the top crust is put on. The result is related to the French "Pommes Anna" but with a pastry crust.
I have an apple pie recipe that I'm almost certain you'd love over any apple pie you've ever had, yes it contains cinnamon (personally, I think cinnamon is a must and I always open up apple pies without it to sprinkle some inside ha), and yes, it's also a British recipe xD
I'm also stunned both Pork Pie and Meat & Potato Pie wasn't on the list and I don't believe Shepherds Pie or Cottage Pie are actually any kind of pie at all.. Closer to a hot pot, but still not that either.. It's the lack of pastry for me, can't seriously call it a pie if it doesn't have a pie crust xD
Nobody has mentioned it so far .. I will, Custard Pie.
Which is actually a Tart.
My parents were born in 1922.
Whose parents ( my grandparents) were born in the 1890s would make pies out of the ingredients they could afford proper meat was expensive and beyond the reach of their pocket ( unless it fell off the back of a wagon) offal was often used because it was so cheap chicken was cheap, rabbit was free my grandad and dad trapped it on his way to work and collected it on his way home. Mum skinned it but wouldn't gut it. My elder brother got that job when he was old enough.
Hedgehogs were wrapped in mud and baked, pull off the hardened mud, and the spines came with it pop the meat in a pie.
I've never had any of these pies in 60 years, and I dont particularly want to, I do now and again think of rabbit pie.
I wouldn't have a clue where to start to make it now.
A little tale for you about rabbit
My brother whilst in the forces met and eventually married a girl from South America.
Shortly after getting married, my bro trapped a rabbit for tea, gutted it, mum skinned, and cooked it.
Whilst we sat eating it, my new sister in law said "Oh this is very nice Mum what is it?" My mum and bro looked at each other and an unspoken, " lie to her!" Flashed across my bros face. " Its lamb." My bro declared.
It's very nice, but I didn't know lamb had such small legs.
It took real effort not to crack up laughing.
Later on, my bro did tell her the truth, though, lol.
A traditional Christmas pie is the mince pie, short bread crust with dried fruit filling.
Great research as always. Traditionally, apple pie in the UK was made with cloves, rather than cinnamon. One of my favourite pies, growing up, was egg and bacon pie. But we regularly ate apple pie, rhubarb pie and, in season, blackberry and apple pie
Where I grew up we had apple trees in our garden, as well as rubard, gooseberries, strawberries, so my Mum would make lots of different pies and crumbles.
...and this is why you have to go to an Indian or Thai restaurant if you want an edible vegan meal in the UK. 😀
In the words of the wise Essex woman, bigger pickers wear bigger knickers😅
I love Pecan pies and steak and kidney anď similar...
A pasty is a Cornish version of a pie with a crust strong enough to be dropped down a tin mine....
Europeans used sugar beets from the beginning of the 19th century to produce sugar. But sugar from cane was cheaper. Sugar from beets still is a third of that of cane worldwide. Where I lived in Germany there were lots of sugar beets. In the harvest time you could smell the factories everywhere.
We have apple pies in Britain. They sell them at every supermarket.
Re Jellied Eels and Pie and Mash, They are served in the same shop, but not normally as parts of the same meal.
I would love to see a video on the American sweet tooth and the invasion of inverted corn syrup. It's in everything and pretty nasty stuff by all accounts. It's not nearly as prevalent here, but I'm sure they're working on it.
Favourite sweet pies either a bakewell tart (homemade) or cold apple pie with cheese (stilton or strong cheddar) - I'm from the UK
My default pie image is something with a pastry lid on it. I love making pies from scratch, my favourite savoury pie is corn beef, onion and potato pie. The recipe has been passed down to me from my dearly departed mum, which she got from her mum. My wife loves it as it was not something she ever had before she met me.
depending if you want to stick to comercially produced pies or include home made pies...
two of my old time favorites were rhubarb pie and custard and gooseberry pie and custard... you dont see these in a supermarket but if you go out and find the countryside bakeries you might find them, or go to a church sale they sometimes have them.
My favourite pie is Beef & Ale Pie served with chipc, mushy peas and gravy. I was away at the weekend and on Saturday we ate at a pub called The Weighbridge Inn" (Stroud, Gloucestershire) which is reknowned for it's 2 in 1 pies. Half is a pie with a filling of your choice and covered in shortcrust oastry and the other half is cauliflower cheese (open). I like pastry so I had a normal pie that had a complete pastry top and the filling was turkey and all the trimmings (sausage, bacon, cranberry sauce etc.). delicious.
My mother in the UK made wonderful rhubarb, blackberry, black/red-currant and best of all raspberry, for sweet tarts. All with custard :)
Not a mention for chicken, by anyone? Chicken & Mushroom, Chicken & Leek, Chicken & Ham or, just - Chicken...
Not to forget the chicken balti pie.
UK tends to make Crumbles with fruit, eg Apple Crumble, fruit at the bottom, crumb like butter flour sugar mix over the top .... can be any fruit, v quick to make.
Irish Stew is made fr9om Lamb in Canada (canned). Used to be able to get imported Steak & Kidney Pie from Britain, before Mad Cow Disease occurred
Thanks for a great video (which sent me to the fridge at 1.00am to nibble more of my pork pie!. Two important bits of culture for future use: Cornish pasties originated because the Cornish miners mined lead and had lead contaminated hands, thus anything they touched and ate in the mines would make them ill. So along came the pasty: meat, potato and veg at one end and (few know this) fruit filling at the other. The traditional thick crust along the seam was for holding the pasty whilst eating it and the (now lead/dirt lined) crust was then thrown away. Similar to Cornish pasties was the Bucks Cherry Pie, where each August a competition was held (somewhere in Bucks near Amersham) to see who could bake the greatest number of cherries in a predetermined area of pie crust. The most efficient shape resulted in something like a pasty. Hope this helps. Look us up on the Hants & Berks US Ex pats club!
Top of my list is a Melton Mowbray pork pie, closely followed by a Fray Bentos steak and kidney pie, which comes in a tin. The only problem is that they're a sod to open!
Until 30 years ago, I used to eat "upside down pie". It had pastry crust in the bottom of the dish and around the sides, with the meat and veg exposed and crispy baked over the top. It was fantastic.
The open pies you mention would be usually called tarts this side of the pond and in Ireland most even with top crusts are called apple tart, rhubarb tart etc. So you may have missed those in your list of sweet pies - jam tarts, treacle tart, custard tarts...
There are mince pies which are a Christmas staple in the UK. These were sweet meat pies in medieval times, but transformed into sweet fruit based pies in the mid to late 19th century.
You are the best US American commentator on British culture. You have the most original compliments, the most subtle insults and you actually fight back. 😉
The best British pie is the now extinct Partick Pie. It was sold at The Pantry on Byres Road in Glasgow until about 2003. It was the most full-on steak pie in a thin gravy. It's kind of hard to describe how it differed from any old steak pie, but it was a separate thing all by itself, with really thin gravy and so much steak - not just small pieces, but slabs which somehow conspired to be larger than the 3"-diameter coffin they occupied. It was a terrible day when The Pantry became yet another Greggs.😢
Mince pies, rhubarb pie, rhubarb crumble and apple crumble
Steak and kidney.... chicken and mushroom.... cheese and onion.... apple pie... cherry pie... lemon meringue pie...
rhubarb pie also
Butchers pork pie, with dad's brown source.
I live in Wigan in the Northwest of England where we hold the World Pie Eating Championship every year, we are also sarcastically called Pie Eaters because the towns miners were forced back to work during the 1926 General Strike therefore they were said to have eaten humble pie.
Savoury pies are a favourite in New Zealand. There’s an annual competition for them and they have a huge range of fillings. In 2023 the Supreme award went to one with roast duck, onion and mushrooms. One of my workmates always grabs a butter chicken pie for breakfast on Wednesdays. Oh, and the 5th place in the gourmet meat category went to a paua mince, coconut cream and onion pie.
as a brit i love game pie that is venison grouse and pheasant /any other types of wild game in gravy
Most interesting - thanks for making this. Certainly in the winter months I'm very fond of a nice hot apple or cherry pie with custard. I prefer the apple pie that uses cinnamon sugar. As for savory pies, here is Scotland we tend to be even more varied. Just in the bakery at the University of Aberdeen there are: macaroni pies, various curry pies, lasagne pies, mince-beans-[potato] pies...the list goes on. Of course, if you want a small pie, the traditional scotch pie, traditionally made with mined mutton, is classic. Personally, I'm most fond of macaroni pies (provided its with no mustard) for savoury and peach pie (when I can find it).
Gypsy tart is regional British desert pie, and feature a condensed milk and unrefined/dark sugar filling (it's a speciality of Kent, I had it weekly at school). Note that pies are regional in Britain, with north counties being by far the biggest pie eaters, and note that savoury pies are preferred up north. I was raised eating sweet and savoury pies (I particularly liked blackberry and apple pie in Autumn and Manchester tart at any time of year).
I cant believe Steak and Kidney didn't get mention... One of my all time favourite 'pies' (along with S&K pudding with gravy).
Or pork pies. Pork pie must be the most popular pie in Britain.
Americans just like sweet things. Even their savoury food is sweet.
If crumbles count then apple and blackcurrant with custard or vanilla ice cream.