@@JasonTzzz Fenway and Wrigley weren't built small because of a design flaw. That was the only option. You can't say they should have built bigger because they literally couldn't
Ever since Camden Yards opened in 1992 ( I believe) major league baseball has wanted so many of their ballparks to have that old time ballpark feel. All the retractable roofs that have been built after SkyDome and Chase field are pretty cool, except renovating them is hard to do. I think moving forward, MLB will probably revert back to the Jewel box style ballparks from the early 20th century. Fenway and Wrigley are the last remaining ballparks of that era. I think if trends continue, smaller, more intimate ballparks might come back in style. And as far as the NFL is concerned... Every single team in the league will demand a new stadium every 20 years, since their last stadium was built.
I know Seattle’s stadium isn’t an old style, but I love how it was built right next to train tracks. One of my favorite memories growing up was watching a game and hearing a train rumble and whistle by. Gave an old school early 20th century feel
@@FatFaceRo I've seen Safeco Field from the outside, but, I've never had the pleasure of watching a game there. It's a cool stadium, but, I don't know how stadiums with retractable roofs could be renovated, if the crowds are not showing up. Some markets do better than others, but, I think it might be too difficult to renovate a retractable roof dome, to only seat 25 - 30,000 people?
@@breezecardenas3941 yeah, probably too difficult to renovate. I just really enjoyed hearing the trains go by and the whistle sounding through the stadium. I love Camden Yards though, with the warehouse. Also Pittsburgh and SF have great views. My dream is to attend a game at Fenway Park and Wrigley Field
🎶 Take me out to the sports ball! Take me out to the scam! Buy me a new stadium every 20 years! So I can charge $50.00 for beer. Cuz it's tax, tax, tax the locals! If they complain I don't care. Cuz it's 1, 2, 3 times to move my old franchise!🎶.
FedEx Field was appropriately sized when it opened. A winning team in a big market will draw 80,000 fans. But ~20 losing seasons under Dan Snyder will repel fans. 42,000 is an average sized MLB ballpark. It's just that the Rays are an expansion team that never really caught on despite fielding a good team.
@@boogitybear2283 the move to Landover (giving up prime DC location) was Jack Kent Cooke's way of sticking it to the Ravens and it backfired tremendously.
@@JasonTzzzI doubt very seriously it was his way of sticking it to the Ravens. FedEx Field opened in 1997, and ground was probably broken two years prior. The Ravens came to Baltimore in 1996.
@@JasonTzzz I don't think sticking it to the Ravens was the reason. I think it's in Landover because there was a lot of land available and unlike other parts of the Washington area (I refuse to call this region the DMV) the neighbors who live nearby don't have the political clout to stop the team from coming in. Sadly, I think that the next stadium may be right next to FedEx Field for exactly the same reasons it was put there in the first place!
I love how you edited your claim about Chase Field having the first retractable roof. You later added "In the United States" because the SkyDome in Toronto was the first one.
@@fabio40 OK thanks, but if he took it down to Re-edited it, why not re-edit it to seem natural, instead of the equivalent of using white-out & type over on typewriter.
Exactly, Reinsdorf's White Sox threatened to move there to get their new stadium built. Interestingly, Chicago / IL taxpayers are in the process of getting milked by the Bears as well.
Stadiums are "too big" ... until people keep getting turned away at the ticket window. It happened in Philadelphia c. 2009 - 2010 when Phillies games were consistently sold out in their small stadium, which has a capacity that is 15,000 smaller than their previous stadium (Veterans Stadium). Naturally, with a smaller stadium, tickets took a huge jump in price!
People don’t realize this, especially baseball fans, they’ve fallen in love with the intimacy lie which is a guise to price gauge. Most teams have the capability to draw, when the Blue Jays showed a commitment to Winning in 2015, fans began to attend the game in numbers of 45,000-50,000 a game post trade deadline, but renovations dwindled capacity to 41,000.
@@Tu_Padre31 -- INFO: A major $300 million upgrade for 2023 involves re-orienting outfield seats to face home plate, raising bullpens, adding social spaces with bars in the outfield of the 500 Level, and removing some seats to widen all remaining seats, thereby reducing capacity to 41,500.
That certainly proved true with the Phillies trip to last year’s World Series. Tickets were marked way up even for standing-room only tickets in excess of $1000.
So you missed the news about the Rays removing the upper deck tarps for the upcoming Yankee's series and with the huge boost in attendance so far thus year at the Trop the plan is to have the sections available for the rest of the season.
@@swampd1966 its as tough as the situation in oakland, because that part of florida is demographically unlikely to be willing to put up the funding for the stadium that the owners won't. Although the location and stadium itself could use a change, demand and the owners' demands will keep leading eachother on until they buy the land and break ground.
On the opposite side, one of many reasons the Colts had to leave the RCA Dome was that it was too small. It was built for 60,127 originally when it opened in 1984, but they had to reduce the capacity to 56,127 to accommodate a few extra luxury suites in a 1999 renovation. It bottomed out at 55,531 in its final two seasons, which happened to be when demand for tickets was highest since the Colts were very good at the time and won Super Bowl XLI. Not only that, but they would have had to reduce the capacity further if they were going to upgrade the small, outdated video screens. The upper deck seats were already metal bleachers (thankfully at least with backrests) to squeeze more people in, and quite a few of those upper deck seats had obstructed views because they were behind structural support posts. It was not a great experience. Lucas Oil Stadium holds 67,000, all in real chairback seats, and is expandable to 70,000...although when it hosted the Super Bowl they ended up not expanding it because of the debacle that happened the previous year in Arlington, when 1,200 temporary seats were blocked off as a safety hazard mere hours before kickoff. There was nothing wrong with the temporary seating at Lucas Oil Stadium; it was just the NFL being overly cautious to avoid a repeat of the bad publicity from the prior year. So, Super Bowl XLVI only had 68,858 in attendance...below the NFL's usual minimum of 70,000. My suspicion is they will need to get really creative if they intend to make the video boards any bigger. I hope they don't cover up the windows.
And if the concerns about the stadium's fan experience and the Super Bowl hosting weren't enough, there were external factors leading to the RCA Dome's demise as well. The Indiana Convention Center was built right next door to the RCA Dome, and it began hosting bigger and bigger conventions over the years (Gen Con being the one I'm most familiar with), and needed more space. But the only way the convention center could pull off a major expansion was if the RCA Dome was demolished, since all other directions were blocked by important streets, as well as nearby hotels (which of course a convention center doesn't want to get rid of because the hotels and convention center support each other). It was basically a case where a bunch of different people decided all at once that the RCA Dome had to go.
@@danieldougan269 Used to live there myself. Only went inside Lucas Oil Stadium once, but went to both the RCA Dome and the new wing of the Indiana Convention Center several times.
I suspect that if there is a major renovation to lucas oil, they will swap the retractable roof for a translucent one like the more modern fields. the roof cannot be operated while fans are in the stands due to an 8 inch fastener falling once and destroying a seat. Wouldve killed someone if it hit a person in the head or chest. With that change, it may be possible to increase capacity at the tops of the sideline upper decks
Honorable mention to New Comiskey Park (now Guaranteed Rate Field). They had to take out tons of seats in the upper deck in its first couple seasons cause of how steep it was
HDTV and more (and better) camera angles is what has killed attendance in many cities. Who wants to fight crowds and traffic when you can sit on your couch and watch a perfect picture on a 70 inch screen!
You're right. I've gone to a game after watching a lot of games on TV. You're sitting there thinking, "What am I missing?' On TV you can see closes ups of a pitched ball and see the laces spinning and super slow motion replays. At the ballpark you get to see the back of some guy's shirt because he keeps standing up to go and buy more beer and then he stands up again to go to the restroom to get rid of the beer he just bought.
Also consider the convenience of the restroom breaks and the bargain priced beverages/snacks to be had in one's own domicile for watching the game on a 70 inch screen.
You really have interesting stories to tell us but can I ask a favor? Could you identify the stadiums by team name? When I hear something like "Acme plumbing stadium" I always have to stop the video then go into Wikipedia and look it up to find what team plays there. Other than that, great videos.
@@mrg8581 An effort should be made to use the names the locals use as well. The eagles play in some stupid corporate named stadium but all anyone calls it is "The New Vet". The name on the stadium has changed 2 times now because the first company realized what a waste of money the naming rights were because for 20 years all the philly fans called the place is "The New Vet"
As a Dbacks fan, there have been other factors in why the stadium is nearly empty. Crappy play, for one. They’ve also made terrible tv deals with companies like Bally. Makes it difficult to even watch them in their own market. So there isn’t a lot of interest from casual fans. The Suns new owner just changed their tv deal to air on local programming. Since Bally is going bankrupt (surprise) Ishbia, the new owner, seems to be fixing things. Dbacks should take note…
I've never understood why more teams don't sell unwanted tickets at cost then make a profit on concessions and merchandise. The guy that doesn't buy the 30 dollar upper deck ticket is spending zero dollars at the stadium because he's not there. The other benefit is it makes other more expensive tickets attractive because packed stadiums just have an energy that's hard to put into words. The players enjoy packed houses too.
Biggest crowd at Stanford Stadium every year is the annual earthquakes-galaxy MLS match over 4th of July weekend. Consistently draws well over 40k. Stanford is too exclusive and far away from SF and SJ to draw in local non-affiliate fans for football particularly when considering SJSU and Cal are also local.
Using your criteria, you could add several Big Ten stadia to your list: Northwestern's Ryan Field (originally Dyche Stadium), Purdue's Ross-Ade Stadium, and Illinois' Memorial Stadium.
One that could've been included on this list is our Liberty Bowl Memorial Stadium in Memphis. With a capacity of 58,000, the only times it is filled are for the Liberty Bowl and Southern Heritage Classic games once each year, and the playoffs if the University of Memphis makes it to them. With our new USFL team and during normal seasons, it never exceeds 10,000, maybe 15K at the most.
I told folks that seeing a game at Bank One Ballpark felt like watching a baseball game be played in your living room. The stadium didn't have a lot of character, and it definitely wasn't full.
Yes but Coors still draws pretty well, and though seats have been taken out its still has the same capacity via standing room. Guaranteed rate was more about complaints of the views and steep pitch of the seats than about reducing capacity.
Keep the capacity large, drop the ticket prices and make money on concessions. You'll have a full stadium and the extra supporters buying overpriced food and drink and merchandise. This is the model West Ham use in the English Premier League (soccer) and have the second highest average attendance in the country.
That model doesn't really work for baseball. There are 81 home games, including weeknights and day games during the hottest part of the summer. If you gave tickets away you'd have a hard time hitting capacity on an overbuilt stadium.
You should add Rice Stadium to this list. 70,000 seat capacity stadium for a university with 8,200 students and limited interest in athletics. Sure it hosted a Super Bowl, but the stadium rarely has attendance higher than 10,000 and most those are visiting fans.
Chase and Miller park ..I can’t stand they built ballparks in the late 90s / early 2000s with the centerfield area like that . Homeruns just hit a hideous scoreboard wall and you can’t tell half the time if it’s actual a bomb or not
my personal "favorite" at Miller Park ... Bucky Brewer slides down his slide into a ..... platform .... The old MCS had a giant Beer stein that emitted a fake "splash" when he went down it.
It makes you wonder what if the Dodgers could have survived in Brooklin into the late 1960's when TV revenue eventually started to kick in. Ebbets Field might of stayed economically viable like Fenway and Wrigley and it might still be there today.
Dishonorable mentions: Alamodome, Oakland Coliseum, many NASCAR tracks, many British and Italian football⚽️ stadiums, all Chinese, North Korean, and Qatar stadiums, most World Cup stadiums, all Olympic facilities, many national football⚽️ stadiums.
chase is big. Only time I've seen it close to full was opening day with Randy Johnson pitching or playoff games. AMA motocross from the upper deck is the only time I've sat up there and it's a real nose bleed.
There’s a difference between old-school and outdated. Old-school is like Fenway Park. Sure it’s the oldest ballpark in the majors, but it’s still iconic and fans love going back to it. Outdated is something you never want to go back to. Tropicana Field is so outdated, it was never even in-dated.
Was at Lambeau last summer and the current stadium has the right capacity especially if the Packers continue to be an average team post Aaron Rodgers. Also of note in Green Bay when it is extremely cold ticket prices plummet in the non club areas even for big playoff games.
@@jasonrandom372 Fenway Park is limited by its lot and can't be any bigger. Red Sox owner Tom Yawkey was the richest owner in sports. He tried to build a dome in Boston, but the city had no room for it.
I thought you couldn’t edit a TH-cam video after it was posted? (of changing/adding video or audio) I thought you only could add captions. (do you correct or clarify mistakes) - Since I’m a TH-cam content creator, is this true? that they get away with adding awkward sentences in between existing audio? is this a newly allowed on TH-cam?
@@forgottenplaces9780 OK thanks, but if you took it down to Re-edited it, why not re-edit it to seem natural?, instead of the equivalent of using white-out & type over, on typewriter. Is the only thing you had to edit, was to say “in the United States”? (for the retractable baseball stadium)
You missed one (well in my opinion). The old Silverdome in Detroit was built with 80,000 seats and the Lions (the main tennant) only averaged 65,000. That's why when they built Ford Field they set attendance at 65,000 seats.
Along the lines of Stanford (a place where football was HUGE a while back, but now one of 19 different sports teams among a diverse, cosmopolitan, academically impressive university), most of the old Ivy League football stadia are way too big. Princeton Stadium which was completely rebuilt in 1998 and seats 27,000 (on benches). Perhaps they sold out once. It replaced the ancient "Palmer Stadium" built in the heyday which seated 47,450 on wood planks over concrete steps . . . and yep, sold out back in the day. Old stadia at Yale and Harvard have similar stories as Ivy League football is a niche offering.
Ore-Gawn always gets me giggling, not even from there but Imma start calling y'all Bucky-Yes's or Oh-Hee-Oh-Ons. (I'm assuming your from Ohio because, well...)
What the hell are you talking about??? The Colisuem is reagularly sold out or nearly sold out whenever USC is even somewhat good. Under Carroll it was a tough ticket to get even when playing middling teams. On top of that 2 Olympic games, Rams, Raiders were all able to fill it pretty regularly with the exception of the Perstyle end which is too far from the field. Any stadium is too big when looking while the home team is in a down cycle. Also, you want some available seats for big games.
@@justinbeetle2594 since I have been going to the coliseum for over 55 years, I am aware of that. The idiots in charge not only took out twenty-five thousand seats, they took out twenty-five thousand of the BEST seats at the Coliseum. Now that it looks like they're going to be a national power for several years, it looks like one of the stupidest decisions ever.
I disagree that the Gator Bowl was built (or upgraded) too big. Now that the Jags are good the stadium is drawing at or near capacity. Plus the college games there draw well. Bottom line is if the product on the field is good people will go.
The capacity is smaller now as i said, (6k less) therefore it is easier to fill than before. I said that it was built too big not that it is currently too big. Its not really the gator bowl, only one section was reused from the gator bowl, and even that portion was much newer than the rest of the portion that they tore down, it was pretty much a new stadium when built.
Too bad NASCAR tracks don't count given a lot of them were built when the France family thought the sport would keep growing and in stead they wound up with some tracks that could work around the issue like Phoenix and others like Texas Motor Speedway where crowds can be sparse even with seating tarped off and removed.
I’d love to see a video of why college football stadiums are so much larger than pro football stadiums. For example, the New Orleans Saints play in the Superdome with a capacity of 74k, but the LSU Tigers a few miles down the road play in Tiger Stadium with over 100k seats.
College stadiums are mostly only that big when they didn’t historically have pro sports competition. If you look at it like that you only have a few outliers like Michigan and Ohio State. As an example the University of Pennsylvania’s football field had the first upper deck in the country, but as the NFL took off the Eagles suck up all the sidewalk alumni to be their fans instead. Tiger Stadium is also unusual in that Louisiana Governor Huey P. long showered the LSU football team with cash to the point that the legislature refused to vote for any bills until the academic side of the university got some more funding. In response Long took money earmarked for dorms and used it to expand the stadium again but also building a few men’s dorm rooms inside so that Tiger Stadium is the only stadium in the US that people live in.
The SEC has huge stadiums because of their huge fan base, tremendous fan loyalty, and decades of college football dominance. In addition, there was virtually no NFL competition before the Atlanta Falcons coming in 1965, the N O Saints in 1966, and the Miami Dolphins in 1970. Miami really isn't part of the true South, fyi. Southern football fans grew up with their football loyalties to their favorite college team considering that there weren't any NFL teams anywhere near most southern residents. Southern residents got one NFL game per week, typically the Redskins or Falcons, or Giants because of NY TV dominance, and the Cowboys because of their national fan base. Note that the "new" NFL teams are in Charlotte and Nashville where no dominant college football teams exist (Vanderbilt in Nashville is the doormat of the SEC) and Charlotte doesn't have a major conference university. On any fall Saturday afternoon, the ACC and SEC will host around 800,000 fans at the 14 home games, and hundreds of thousands of fans at the smaller schools. The Jacksonville Jaguars biggest attendance problem is that the Florida Gators attract 100,000 fans to each home game in Gainesville 100 miles away, and the Gators fanbase is way more loyal to the Gators than are the Jaguars fans are to a team that arrived in 1995. Simply put, the college fans grew up over generations with the colleges, and the NFL is a johnny come lately to the south. South Carolina/Clemson, Auburn/Alabama, Georgia/Florida are way more important than anything that happens in Buffalo or Green Bay for southern football fans by and large:)
with baseballs declining popularity and people having thousands of more enertainment options than they did in 70s 80s 90s i think new parks max capacity should be between 35-45 thousand
The owners would build them, if the politicians didn't get involved and try and turn every stadium into a depressed urban environment jobs racket. Remove the state agencies from all the stadiums and the quality of service,. quality of concessions and amount of enjoyment by the patrons will sky rocket. They built a hockey stadium in Newark NJ and nobody who likes the Devils is willing to go to the demilitarized zone known as Newark after sundown for games or concerts. The local businesses who were supposed to see an uptick in foot traffic don't care about the fans coming to the area, they lock their stores before sundown to keep themselves alive. The devils wanted nothing to do with Newark, but the state democrats didn't care about a facility that was good for the team they just wanted to try and shovel jobs to their voters. The nets moved to brooklyn and the Devils play in an empty stadium because politicians had to do it their way.
I don't think anyone expects baseball stadiums to consistently fill up for regular season games. That extra capacity is meant for playoffs and concert revenue.
I predict many stadiums will shrink in size to accommodate the new American economy that does not include a middle class. They will focus on maximizing ad space for TV and luxury boxes for their richest fans in attendance. Poor people may be able to win some kind of raffle to go to the game, but otherwise they’ll be priced out.
I think attendance struggles can be put really simply for most teams: the games are too goddam expensive! The pool of Americans who can afford to go to an NFL game gets smaller every year.
I actually think some stadiums look better too big. Stanford's stadium looks terrific just the way it is. Too bad I can't say the same thing about the Redskins' stadium.
If you study the history of sports teams that win league championships in the last 25 years, a majority of them are won entering new(or heavily refurbished) stadiums. Chicago Bulls, LA Lakers, New England Patriots, San Antonio Spurs, Pittsburgh Steelers, New York Yankees, Green Bay Packers(stadium renovation in 2010), Kansas City Royals(stadium renovation in 2012), Kansas City Chiefs(renovation), Chicago Cubs(2015 renovation), LA Rams are examples of that. I don't think that's a coincidence.
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You should do the reverse of this too. Stadiums that were built to small, or that can’t expand.
Citypark
Havent heard of too many parks being built to big. Would love a video showing them.
Built too small:
NFL: Soldier Field, Gillette Stadium
Arena: TD Garden, Madison Square Garden
MLB: Fenway Park, Wrigley Field
@@JasonTzzz Fenway and Wrigley weren't built small because of a design flaw. That was the only option. You can't say they should have built bigger because they literally couldn't
@@JasonTzzz MLB: Dodger Stadium
Ever since Camden Yards opened in 1992 ( I believe) major league baseball has wanted so many of their ballparks to have that old time ballpark feel. All the retractable roofs that have been built after SkyDome and Chase field are pretty cool, except renovating them is hard to do. I think moving forward, MLB will probably revert back to the Jewel box style ballparks from the early 20th century. Fenway and Wrigley are the last remaining ballparks of that era. I think if trends continue, smaller, more intimate ballparks might come back in style. And as far as the NFL is concerned... Every single team in the league will demand a new stadium every 20 years, since their last stadium was built.
I know Seattle’s stadium isn’t an old style, but I love how it was built right next to train tracks. One of my favorite memories growing up was watching a game and hearing a train rumble and whistle by. Gave an old school early 20th century feel
@@FatFaceRo I've seen Safeco Field from the outside, but, I've never had the pleasure of watching a game there. It's a cool stadium, but, I don't know how stadiums with retractable roofs could be renovated, if the crowds are not showing up. Some markets do better than others, but, I think it might be too difficult to renovate a retractable roof dome, to only seat 25 - 30,000 people?
@@breezecardenas3941 yeah, probably too difficult to renovate. I just really enjoyed hearing the trains go by and the whistle sounding through the stadium. I love Camden Yards though, with the warehouse. Also Pittsburgh and SF have great views. My dream is to attend a game at Fenway Park and Wrigley Field
With the exception of Lambeu Field….
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FedEx Field was appropriately sized when it opened. A winning team in a big market will draw 80,000 fans. But ~20 losing seasons under Dan Snyder will repel fans.
42,000 is an average sized MLB ballpark. It's just that the Rays are an expansion team that never really caught on despite fielding a good team.
The Baltimore Ravens winning up the road didn’t help much either.
@@boogitybear2283 the move to Landover (giving up prime DC location) was Jack Kent Cooke's way of sticking it to the Ravens and it backfired tremendously.
@@JasonTzzzI doubt very seriously it was his way of sticking it to the Ravens. FedEx Field opened in 1997, and ground was probably broken two years prior. The Ravens came to Baltimore in 1996.
@@JasonTzzz I don't think sticking it to the Ravens was the reason. I think it's in Landover because there was a lot of land available and unlike other parts of the Washington area (I refuse to call this region the DMV) the neighbors who live nearby don't have the political clout to stop the team from coming in. Sadly, I think that the next stadium may be right next to FedEx Field for exactly the same reasons it was put there in the first place!
nobody wants to go INSIDE to watch Baseball in Florida..... They all live there BECAUSE they LIKE SUNSHINE.
I love how you edited your claim about Chase Field having the first retractable roof. You later added "In the United States" because the SkyDome in Toronto was the first one.
actually Olympic Stadium in Montreal had one before that.... It just didn't work MOST of the time.
I thought you couldn’t edit a TH-cam video after was posted? (of changing the video or audio)
I thought you only could add captions.
@@MikeCee7 Maybe he deleted it, edited it, then re-uploaded it.
@@fabio40 OK thanks, but if he took it down to Re-edited it, why not re-edit it to seem natural, instead of the equivalent of using white-out & type over on typewriter.
It always amuses me how Tropicana Field is now a failure when it was used by so many teams as a threatened destination in order to get new ballparks.
A fate that T-Mobile Center in Kansas City avoided.
Exactly, Reinsdorf's White Sox threatened to move there to get their new stadium built.
Interestingly, Chicago / IL taxpayers are in the process of getting milked by the Bears as well.
I remember when even the Giants tried to move there in 93.
Stadiums are "too big" ... until people keep getting turned away at the ticket window. It happened in Philadelphia c. 2009 - 2010 when Phillies games were consistently sold out in their small stadium, which has a capacity that is 15,000 smaller than their previous stadium (Veterans Stadium). Naturally, with a smaller stadium, tickets took a huge jump in price!
People don’t realize this, especially baseball fans, they’ve fallen in love with the intimacy lie which is a guise to price gauge. Most teams have the capability to draw, when the Blue Jays showed a commitment to Winning in 2015, fans began to attend the game in numbers of 45,000-50,000 a game post trade deadline, but renovations dwindled capacity to 41,000.
@@richiemartinez8078 thought it was still around 49,000?
It’s not all black and white. Philly is one of the strongest sports fanbases in the country. Not every city is gonna be like that.
@@Tu_Padre31 -- INFO: A major $300 million upgrade for 2023 involves re-orienting outfield seats to face home plate, raising bullpens, adding social spaces with bars in the outfield of the 500 Level, and removing some seats to widen all remaining seats, thereby reducing capacity to 41,500.
That certainly proved true with the Phillies trip to last year’s World Series. Tickets were marked way up even for standing-room only tickets in excess of $1000.
So you missed the news about the Rays removing the upper deck tarps for the upcoming Yankee's series and with the huge boost in attendance so far thus year at the Trop the plan is to have the sections available for the rest of the season.
I know of it, but so far its just for one series
So far the average attendance for 16 home games is only 16,800, They still have a long way to go.
Tarps? They’re just empty seats lmaoo
The Rays deserve…no, they’re ENTITLED to a sweet new ballpark in my humble opinion. That’s actually bullshit, my opinions are never humble.
@@swampd1966 its as tough as the situation in oakland, because that part of florida is demographically unlikely to be willing to put up the funding for the stadium that the owners won't. Although the location and stadium itself could use a change, demand and the owners' demands will keep leading eachother on until they buy the land and break ground.
On the opposite side, one of many reasons the Colts had to leave the RCA Dome was that it was too small. It was built for 60,127 originally when it opened in 1984, but they had to reduce the capacity to 56,127 to accommodate a few extra luxury suites in a 1999 renovation. It bottomed out at 55,531 in its final two seasons, which happened to be when demand for tickets was highest since the Colts were very good at the time and won Super Bowl XLI. Not only that, but they would have had to reduce the capacity further if they were going to upgrade the small, outdated video screens. The upper deck seats were already metal bleachers (thankfully at least with backrests) to squeeze more people in, and quite a few of those upper deck seats had obstructed views because they were behind structural support posts. It was not a great experience.
Lucas Oil Stadium holds 67,000, all in real chairback seats, and is expandable to 70,000...although when it hosted the Super Bowl they ended up not expanding it because of the debacle that happened the previous year in Arlington, when 1,200 temporary seats were blocked off as a safety hazard mere hours before kickoff. There was nothing wrong with the temporary seating at Lucas Oil Stadium; it was just the NFL being overly cautious to avoid a repeat of the bad publicity from the prior year. So, Super Bowl XLVI only had 68,858 in attendance...below the NFL's usual minimum of 70,000.
My suspicion is they will need to get really creative if they intend to make the video boards any bigger. I hope they don't cover up the windows.
And if the concerns about the stadium's fan experience and the Super Bowl hosting weren't enough, there were external factors leading to the RCA Dome's demise as well. The Indiana Convention Center was built right next door to the RCA Dome, and it began hosting bigger and bigger conventions over the years (Gen Con being the one I'm most familiar with), and needed more space. But the only way the convention center could pull off a major expansion was if the RCA Dome was demolished, since all other directions were blocked by important streets, as well as nearby hotels (which of course a convention center doesn't want to get rid of because the hotels and convention center support each other). It was basically a case where a bunch of different people decided all at once that the RCA Dome had to go.
@@MarsJenkar Yep. I live in Indy. I have spent a lot of time in both venues.
@@danieldougan269 Used to live there myself. Only went inside Lucas Oil Stadium once, but went to both the RCA Dome and the new wing of the Indiana Convention Center several times.
I suspect that if there is a major renovation to lucas oil, they will swap the retractable roof for a translucent one like the more modern fields.
the roof cannot be operated while fans are in the stands due to an 8 inch fastener falling once and destroying a seat. Wouldve killed someone if it hit a person in the head or chest.
With that change, it may be possible to increase capacity at the tops of the sideline upper decks
I’m not a fan of the video boards at Lucas Oil
Will you do new ballpark series, Las Vegas, salt lake city, Nashville etc?
Honorable mention to New Comiskey Park (now Guaranteed Rate Field). They had to take out tons of seats in the upper deck in its first couple seasons cause of how steep it was
I went to a sold out game at Bank One Ballpark. Curt Schilling was pitching
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Nice correction with the voice over 👍
HDTV and more (and better) camera angles is what has killed attendance in many cities. Who wants to fight crowds and traffic when you can sit on your couch and watch a perfect picture on a 70 inch screen!
You're right. I've gone to a game after watching a lot of games on TV. You're sitting there thinking, "What am I missing?' On TV you can see closes ups of a pitched ball and see the laces spinning and super slow motion replays. At the ballpark you get to see the back of some guy's shirt because he keeps standing up to go and buy more beer and then he stands up again to go to the restroom to get rid of the beer he just bought.
Also consider the convenience of the restroom breaks and the bargain priced beverages/snacks to be had in one's own domicile for watching the game on a 70 inch screen.
You really have interesting stories to tell us but can I ask a favor? Could you identify the stadiums by team name? When I hear something like "Acme plumbing stadium" I always have to stop the video then go into Wikipedia and look it up to find what team plays there. Other than that, great videos.
Exactly
@@mrg8581 An effort should be made to use the names the locals use as well. The eagles play in some stupid corporate named stadium but all anyone calls it is "The New Vet". The name on the stadium has changed 2 times now because the first company realized what a waste of money the naming rights were because for 20 years all the philly fans called the place is "The New Vet"
The Rays are actually going to be opening up the upper deck next weekend for the Yankees series. I'm considering going purely for the novelty.
That's what happens when you have a team go 23 - 6 to start the season.
@@joevignolor4u949 rays have been good for a while. it was specifically for the Yankees series only.
@Bigfriendly1970 a lot of New Yorkers living in Florida too.
The classic jewel box baseball stadium, located in the proper downtown of a city, is ideal.
As a Dbacks fan, there have been other factors in why the stadium is nearly empty. Crappy play, for one. They’ve also made terrible tv deals with companies like Bally. Makes it difficult to even watch them in their own market. So there isn’t a lot of interest from casual fans. The Suns new owner just changed their tv deal to air on local programming. Since Bally is going bankrupt (surprise) Ishbia, the new owner, seems to be fixing things. Dbacks should take note…
I've never understood why more teams don't sell unwanted tickets at cost then make a profit on concessions and merchandise. The guy that doesn't buy the 30 dollar upper deck ticket is spending zero dollars at the stadium because he's not there.
The other benefit is it makes other more expensive tickets attractive because packed stadiums just have an energy that's hard to put into words. The players enjoy packed houses too.
I agree
Because if teams actually did that, fans would stop buying tickets altogether and hold out for a permanent price cut.
@@davidlafleche1142 exactly lmao that's just how it would work and tbf I couldn't blame the fans I'd do it to take a punt on getting a cheap ticket
If this video had been released a month ago, would Oakland Coliseum have been on it?
You should really make it clear what teams play at each stadium, especially for people who don't follow American Handegg or Baseball
I second that.
Third
american handegg best name for CTE-ball I ever heard 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Biggest crowd at Stanford Stadium every year is the annual earthquakes-galaxy MLS match over 4th of July weekend. Consistently draws well over 40k. Stanford is too exclusive and far away from SF and SJ to draw in local non-affiliate fans for football particularly when considering SJSU and Cal are also local.
Great stuff, love your channel!
Could you do one for amphitheaters and cinemas?
Using your criteria, you could add several Big Ten stadia to your list: Northwestern's Ryan Field (originally Dyche Stadium), Purdue's Ross-Ade Stadium, and Illinois' Memorial Stadium.
Love your videos, but I didn’t think anyone actually called it Ore-gone in real life lol
People from Oregon hate it when others call it that.
Lol love your stuff but Ooof “Oregone” 😂 lol you don’t come west of the Rockies too often do ya?
Rays just started to allow people to sit top deck in regular season games cause now that they are good they are getting more fans
They have been good for years.
@@Ea-Nasir_Copper_Co not best team in the mlb good
One that could've been included on this list is our Liberty Bowl Memorial Stadium in Memphis. With a capacity of 58,000, the only times it is filled are for the Liberty Bowl and Southern Heritage Classic games once each year, and the playoffs if the University of Memphis makes it to them. With our new USFL team and during normal seasons, it never exceeds 10,000, maybe 15K at the most.
You forgot the Oakland Coliseum and Mt Davis which looks like Howdy Doody!!!!!!!!!!
Jacksonville should play in a food court.
About ten years ago they hosted the Broncos early September and ran out of water.
Stsnford needs a stadium at least that large for hosting the Big Game.
The exact same thing it going to happen here in Las Vegas when the As build the stadium. Ain't no one gonna show up
I told folks that seeing a game at Bank One Ballpark felt like watching a baseball game be played in your living room. The stadium didn't have a lot of character, and it definitely wasn't full.
Coors Field and Guaranteed Rate Field also had significant reductions in seating capacity since they opened.
Yes but Coors still draws pretty well, and though seats have been taken out its still has the same capacity via standing room. Guaranteed rate was more about complaints of the views and steep pitch of the seats than about reducing capacity.
Keep the capacity large, drop the ticket prices and make money on concessions. You'll have a full stadium and the extra supporters buying overpriced food and drink and merchandise. This is the model West Ham use in the English Premier League (soccer) and have the second highest average attendance in the country.
That model doesn't really work for baseball. There are 81 home games, including weeknights and day games during the hottest part of the summer. If you gave tickets away you'd have a hard time hitting capacity on an overbuilt stadium.
And finally, at number 1, your mom.
Lmao
You should add Rice Stadium to this list. 70,000 seat capacity stadium for a university with 8,200 students and limited interest in athletics. Sure it hosted a Super Bowl, but the stadium rarely has attendance higher than 10,000 and most those are visiting fans.
Chase and Miller park ..I can’t stand they built ballparks in the late 90s / early 2000s with the centerfield area like that . Homeruns just hit a hideous scoreboard wall and you can’t tell half the time if it’s actual a bomb or not
my personal "favorite" at Miller Park ... Bucky Brewer slides down his slide into a ..... platform .... The old MCS had a giant Beer stein that emitted a fake "splash" when he went down it.
Does Chase Field have good bones to have the upper deck re-structured?
This is the exact phrase I used when I asked my girlfriend to get breast implants
It makes you wonder what if the Dodgers could have survived in Brooklin into the late 1960's when TV revenue eventually started to kick in. Ebbets Field might of stayed economically viable like Fenway and Wrigley and it might still be there today.
New York City (not the NYC metro area just the city itself) could easily support four MLB teams.
That is why I think New Jersey would be a good place to relocate the Rays.
Maybe but Los Angeles was too good of a market to let someone else go there
I liked that "in the United States" audio edit....props to SkyDome in Toronto, Ontario
Buffalo’s Stadium Originally Rich Stadium held 80,020 and Has had the Seating Reduced to 70,000 or Under.
You forgot Rice Stadium in Houston, TX.
Rice got Super Bowl VIII because it was bigger than the Astrodome.
70,000+ capacity stadium for a school with an enrollment of 5,000 and an avg. game day attendance of between 12,000 and 20,000.
Despite what Dan Snyder would have people believe, a new stadium isn’t going to fix the Redskins/Commanders’ numerous problems.
Dishonorable mentions: Alamodome, Oakland Coliseum, many NASCAR tracks, many British and Italian football⚽️ stadiums, all Chinese, North Korean, and Qatar stadiums, most World Cup stadiums, all Olympic facilities, many national football⚽️ stadiums.
chase is big. Only time I've seen it close to full was opening day with Randy Johnson pitching or playoff games. AMA motocross from the upper deck is the only time I've sat up there and it's a real nose bleed.
There’s a difference between old-school and outdated. Old-school is like Fenway Park. Sure it’s the oldest ballpark in the majors, but it’s still iconic and fans love going back to it. Outdated is something you never want to go back to. Tropicana Field is so outdated, it was never even in-dated.
Oregon is pronounced like the instrument or the things in your body, not Ory-gone.
Great video!
0:25 love the post edit.
It would be cool to see a basketball court and game in one of those 100,000 seat football stadiums.
Next: five stadiums built far too small
1) Allianz Arena
2) Lambeau Field
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Was at Lambeau last summer and the current stadium has the right capacity especially if the Packers continue to be an average team post Aaron Rodgers. Also of note in Green Bay when it is extremely cold ticket prices plummet in the non club areas even for big playoff games.
The Commanders future plans are on hold until Daniel Snyder sells the team.
Fenway Park
Dodgers stadium
@@jasonrandom372 Fenway Park is limited by its lot and can't be any bigger. Red Sox owner Tom Yawkey was the richest owner in sports. He tried to build a dome in Boston, but the city had no room for it.
ORY-gun 🦆
luv yr channel no matter how you pronounce my school's name 😀
I thought you couldn’t edit a TH-cam video after it was posted? (of changing/adding video or audio)
I thought you only could add captions. (do you correct or clarify mistakes)
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Since I’m a TH-cam content creator, is this true? that they get away with adding awkward sentences in between existing audio? is this a newly allowed on TH-cam?
I took it down and reposted
@@forgottenplaces9780 OK thanks, but if you took it down to Re-edited it, why not re-edit it to seem natural?, instead of the equivalent of using white-out & type over, on typewriter.
Is the only thing you had to edit, was to say “in the United States”? (for the retractable baseball stadium)
You missed one (well in my opinion). The old Silverdome in Detroit was built with 80,000 seats and the Lions (the main tennant) only averaged 65,000. That's why when they built Ford Field they set attendance at 65,000 seats.
This was for current stadiums
The Detroit Pistons also played at the Silverdome.
Along the lines of Stanford (a place where football was HUGE a while back, but now one of 19 different sports teams among a diverse, cosmopolitan, academically impressive university), most of the old Ivy League football stadia are way too big.
Princeton Stadium which was completely rebuilt in 1998 and seats 27,000 (on benches). Perhaps they sold out once.
It replaced the ancient "Palmer Stadium" built in the heyday which seated 47,450 on wood planks over concrete steps . . . and yep, sold out back in the day.
Old stadia at Yale and Harvard have similar stories as Ivy League football is a niche offering.
Stadiums are never built too big. Their fanbases are just too small.
Ore-Gawn always gets me giggling, not even from there but Imma start calling y'all Bucky-Yes's or Oh-Hee-Oh-Ons. (I'm assuming your from Ohio because, well...)
So what he says it different, you knew what he said, unlike the gibberish you're trying to say
@@jbj7599 Well, you understood that I was making fun of his accent. Yet, you reply saying you didn't comprehend what I typed...?
There's actually a city in ohio called Oregon, pronounced Orry-gawn.
@Sturmgewehr14 you're butchering the word, and sound dumb. He merely mispronounced it(in your opinion).
@@trevor5904 And where he's from isn't that far from there if I'm guessing correctly.
Yale Bowl is too big. I went to a game with a crowd of 4000 & the place was 93% empty.
I've been to that. And yes, that was one of the most optimistic stadium constructions ever.
The LA Coliseum is huge and way bigger than it ever needed to be. And, fun fact, it opened exactly 100 years ago today.
What the hell are you talking about??? The Colisuem is reagularly sold out or nearly sold out whenever USC is even somewhat good. Under Carroll it was a tough ticket to get even when playing middling teams. On top of that 2 Olympic games, Rams, Raiders were all able to fill it pretty regularly with the exception of the Perstyle end which is too far from the field. Any stadium is too big when looking while the home team is in a down cycle. Also, you want some available seats for big games.
La Coliseum removed about 25k seats in their latest renovation, it's only like 75k now
@@justinbeetle2594 since I have been going to the coliseum for over 55 years, I am aware of that. The idiots in charge not only took out twenty-five thousand seats, they took out twenty-five thousand of the BEST seats at the Coliseum. Now that it looks like they're going to be a national power for several years, it looks like one of the stupidest decisions ever.
Ory-gun, not Ore-ee-gone
I disagree that the Gator Bowl was built (or upgraded) too big. Now that the Jags are good the stadium is drawing at or near capacity. Plus the college games there draw well. Bottom line is if the product on the field is good people will go.
The capacity is smaller now as i said, (6k less) therefore it is easier to fill than before. I said that it was built too big not that it is currently too big. Its not really the gator bowl, only one section was reused from the gator bowl, and even that portion was much newer than the rest of the portion that they tore down, it was pretty much a new stadium when built.
Standford Stadium has looked really good when San Jose Earthquakes will use it vs LA Galaxy
Good save there with "...in the US." when talking about Chase Field there, otherwise you'd have plenty of comments from Toronto here.
Too bad NASCAR tracks don't count given a lot of them were built when the France family thought the sport would keep growing and in stead they wound up with some tracks that could work around the issue like Phoenix and others like Texas Motor Speedway where crowds can be sparse even with seating tarped off and removed.
Nobody cares about left turn driving.
The thing about Tropicana Field is that it had the first PlayStation style computer
1:38 In Florida those are called boat covers.
What about the Oakland coliseum???
As a resident of the DMV, I just knew FedEx would be on this list!
I went to one of the biggest baseball stadiums let’s gooo
Bank One Ballpark is my favorite stadium of all time.
To fix their numbers problems maybe they should try reducing their ticket prices?
I’d love to see a video of why college football stadiums are so much larger than pro football stadiums. For example, the New Orleans Saints play in the Superdome with a capacity of 74k, but the LSU Tigers a few miles down the road play in Tiger Stadium with over 100k seats.
College stadiums are mostly only that big when they didn’t historically have pro sports competition. If you look at it like that you only have a few outliers like Michigan and Ohio State. As an example the University of Pennsylvania’s football field had the first upper deck in the country, but as the NFL took off the Eagles suck up all the sidewalk alumni to be their fans instead.
Tiger Stadium is also unusual in that Louisiana Governor Huey P. long showered the LSU football team with cash to the point that the legislature refused to vote for any bills until the academic side of the university got some more funding. In response Long took money earmarked for dorms and used it to expand the stadium again but also building a few men’s dorm rooms inside so that Tiger Stadium is the only stadium in the US that people live in.
The SEC has huge stadiums because of their huge fan base, tremendous fan loyalty, and decades of college football dominance. In addition, there was virtually no NFL competition before the Atlanta Falcons coming in 1965, the N O Saints in 1966, and the Miami Dolphins in 1970. Miami really isn't part of the true South, fyi. Southern football fans grew up with their football loyalties to their favorite college team considering that there weren't any NFL teams anywhere near most southern residents. Southern residents got one NFL game per week, typically the Redskins or Falcons, or Giants because of NY TV dominance, and the Cowboys because of their national fan base. Note that the "new" NFL teams are in Charlotte and Nashville where no dominant college football teams exist (Vanderbilt in Nashville is the doormat of the SEC) and Charlotte doesn't have a major conference university. On any fall Saturday afternoon, the ACC and SEC will host around 800,000 fans at the 14 home games, and hundreds of thousands of fans at the smaller schools. The Jacksonville Jaguars biggest attendance problem is that the Florida Gators attract 100,000 fans to each home game in Gainesville 100 miles away, and the Gators fanbase is way more loyal to the Gators than are the Jaguars fans are to a team that arrived in 1995. Simply put, the college fans grew up over generations with the colleges, and the NFL is a johnny come lately to the south. South Carolina/Clemson, Auburn/Alabama, Georgia/Florida are way more important than anything that happens in Buffalo or Green Bay for southern football fans by and large:)
I wonder what the capacity of those college stadiums would be if they replaced the bench seating with real seats.
with baseballs declining popularity and people having thousands of more enertainment options than they did in 70s 80s 90s i think new parks max capacity should be between 35-45 thousand
I think ur the first person to say TIAA is to big, I’m used to Depressed Ginger saying it to small every video 😂
Yea he doesnt know what hes talking about on that one, its upper deck is smaller, but thats because its lower bowl is so big
Even at 73K, they still had to add temporary seating every year for the Florida-Georgia game.
The World’s Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party must be the most improbable name for a game ever
You sound like Toby McGuire narrating the intro to Spider-Man
Maybe if we made the owners build them instead of the tax payers- they would be an appropriate size.
The owners would build them, if the politicians didn't get involved and try and turn every stadium into a depressed urban environment jobs racket. Remove the state agencies from all the stadiums and the quality of service,. quality of concessions and amount of enjoyment by the patrons will sky rocket.
They built a hockey stadium in Newark NJ and nobody who likes the Devils is willing to go to the demilitarized zone known as Newark after sundown for games or concerts. The local businesses who were supposed to see an uptick in foot traffic don't care about the fans coming to the area, they lock their stores before sundown to keep themselves alive. The devils wanted nothing to do with Newark, but the state democrats didn't care about a facility that was good for the team they just wanted to try and shovel jobs to their voters. The nets moved to brooklyn and the Devils play in an empty stadium because politicians had to do it their way.
I don't think anyone expects baseball stadiums to consistently fill up for regular season games. That extra capacity is meant for playoffs and concert revenue.
I predict many stadiums will shrink in size to accommodate the new American economy that does not include a middle class. They will focus on maximizing ad space for TV and luxury boxes for their richest fans in attendance. Poor people may be able to win some kind of raffle to go to the game, but otherwise they’ll be priced out.
I think attendance struggles can be put really simply for most teams: the games are too goddam expensive! The pool of Americans who can afford to go to an NFL game gets smaller every year.
The inner circle didn't fear the size of tiia bank BRUTHURR!!
You don't even say where Chase is.
White Sox chopped off the top third of their upper deck a dozen years after the new Comiskey Park opened
And made it a much better ballpark in the process, though it will never have the charm of old Comiskey.
My husband said his two favorite ballparks were old comics key and tiger stadium
Oops I meant comiskey
Fanbases that are too small for major sports? I'm still confused how Jacksonville has an NFL team.
Biggest thing is those are some bad teams so yeah, they don’t fill them. If Jacksonville keeps improving, they’ll sell that place out with Lawrence
2:37 only time it gets filled up. Against USC 😂
The trop just said they were gonna open up the top
In the hot and cold zones, they need a roof to make the place usable 365 days a year.
"so first on this list we're going to go to the first retractable roofed stadium in baseball *IN THE UNITED STATES* in Chase Field..."
U forgot sofi rams fan dont go
Jax stadium is way too big, it was built for the Cocktail Party
The Rice football is another stadium that’s way too big
I already know one of them: FedExField
Edit: YUP...
I love it when Americans cant say Oregon correctly lol
I’m sorry “or a gone?”
I'm OK with being 1 of the 100 people consistently at dbacks games.
If I could afford it.
Is supply to high or is price…
A bit of both really...
Vanderbilt should on the list. Lol
I actually think some stadiums look better too big. Stanford's stadium looks terrific just the way it is. Too bad I can't say the same thing about the Redskins' stadium.
If you study the history of sports teams that win league championships in the last 25 years, a majority of them are won entering new(or heavily refurbished) stadiums.
Chicago Bulls, LA Lakers, New England Patriots, San Antonio Spurs, Pittsburgh Steelers, New York Yankees, Green Bay Packers(stadium renovation in 2010), Kansas City Royals(stadium renovation in 2012), Kansas City Chiefs(renovation), Chicago Cubs(2015 renovation), LA Rams are examples of that. I don't think that's a coincidence.
Even the 2020 world series played in a bubble was won at the Rangers New Stadium
man fed ex field to a bad eye sore