Marketing the Baby Benz - A Look at a Mercedes-Benz 190 Brochure

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  • @paulwlynch
    @paulwlynch ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I think that Mercedes played it safe with the styling with the 190. Very much in keeping of the current W123 at the time and also looking towards the future W124.
    A handsome car which I recall seeing new in the 80s and I would dare to say better looking than some of Mercedes current offerings..

    • @TwinCam
      @TwinCam  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I'd definitely say better than Mercedes' current offerings. I don't dislike the new E-Class though. Spec dependent, I'd tolerate one.

  • @BEGGARWOOD1
    @BEGGARWOOD1 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I think it’s a common misconception of Mercedes that they are a luxury brand and that is displayed through materials used. Mercedes is a premium brand and demonstrated this through the build quality and engineering. They were built as a vehicle that could last for decades and decades. The 190 was built to the same standard as the S class.

  • @bondjamesbond9041
    @bondjamesbond9041 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    A proper Mercedes Benz. These were very well engineered and solidly built. Today this brand is only a shadow of its former self being largely unreliable with average customer service. A great shame. Thanks for the review.

  • @markdoyle6414
    @markdoyle6414 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    For me the 190 is peak Mercede. Build quality was amazing. Mercedes cared about things like rust.

  • @kramnam4716
    @kramnam4716 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Had a 2.6 and 2.5 Cosworth dogleg manual. Good solid cars.

  • @LesterLovesWatches
    @LesterLovesWatches ปีที่แล้ว +4

    A masterclass in how to do these kind of brochure videos. Not reading it but creating a thesis around it. Great stuff. I like “distinguishment”.

    • @MakerfieldConsort
      @MakerfieldConsort ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Collins lists it as "(obsolete) the quality or condition of being distinguished"
      Knowing Ed's penchant for picking up certain words and running with them, it won't be obsolete for long!

  • @grayfool
    @grayfool ปีที่แล้ว +11

    MB still made properly engineered cars then. The 190 looked very much like the W124 E class, just a bit smaller. Nothing wrong with that. If you need a baseline for how tough MB cars were at the time, look at how many taxis were W123, W124, and even older models. These were running around Africa, the toughest environment for any cars, for decades. There are probably still some going even today.

    • @TwinCam
      @TwinCam  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Of course! That and taxis somehow totally escaped my mind when hurriedly writing this the other day. Bugger. Proves I need a few days away from a script so I can look at it again with fresh eyes!

  • @stevieinselby
    @stevieinselby ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Don't forget the minicab market 🚕
    Mercedes were stalwarts of the minicab trade in the 1970s and 1980s, which may explain the very high number of diesels sold.

    • @TwinCam
      @TwinCam  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Of course! Proves I need a few days away from these scripts so I can look over them with a fresh set of eyes before recording!

  • @21stcenturyozman20
    @21stcenturyozman20 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What an excellent brochure review, Ed!
    I've owned two W201s - a 180 E and a 190 E 2.0 (both autos). They were, within their performance limitations, excellent cars and fun to drive.
    The 2.6 litre option was definitely a vast improvement go-wise, but the smaller engines were very capable if one stirred the stick manually.
    My 2.0 litre version, despite my flogging it unmercifully, gave a respectable fuel consumption of around 7.5 litres per 100 km.
    The only better driving Benz I've owned (out of a total of 17) was a W124 300 E; it handled wonderfully, performed brilliantly, and was very comfortable.

  • @ricksampson6780
    @ricksampson6780 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The 190's are dirt cheap in Australia at the moment.

    • @anakinskywalker4113
      @anakinskywalker4113 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Dam go old value if you ask me. These were back when Mercedes Benz was engineered like no other car.

    • @reuheupap771
      @reuheupap771 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What do they cost then?

    • @TwinCam
      @TwinCam  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I wish they were dirt cheap in the UK!

    • @mhoppy6639
      @mhoppy6639 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TwinCam probable future appreciating classic is you get the right, rare one, probs the 2.3/2.6 fast version ? These are great cars esp when the silver grille is replaced by the merc star.

    • @anakinskywalker4113
      @anakinskywalker4113 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TwinCam how much are they in the UK?As a very tidy example in Australia 175,000 miles. Runs & drives is around £3500. Which for Australia is an absolute bargain.

  • @glenncaukill1320
    @glenncaukill1320 ปีที่แล้ว

    I had 1990 190e 2 litre auto, it was quality, a bit thirty , loved the single wiper

  • @mhoppy6639
    @mhoppy6639 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I’ve always loved these. Esp the “bouncing” wiper and the cosworth version. Thank you for the excellent vid.
    These were also fairly ubiquitous in Cyprus alongside the 230/300 models as local taxis.

  • @lipsee100
    @lipsee100 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I had 2.0 D,, it accelerated very slow but it would run at quite high speed 70/80 mph and was quite economical..another plus was you could run on any diesel fuel (chip fat oil) it was very basic spec but handled very well,,the seats where very hard but comfy....regards

  • @energymc22
    @energymc22 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video. Important to note that Mercedes was pushing diesels to the USA during this time in order to comply with corporate average fuel economy and gas guzzler taxes. Also, Germany and other countries used these as taxis which would also explain the high number of diesels sold.
    Regarding the quality, the design brief was to create a mini S class, a car with the same level of quality.
    It's said that the development cost of the w201's rear suspension was similar to entire development cost of the E30 car! Whether true or not...

  • @OXOtwo
    @OXOtwo ปีที่แล้ว

    I loved my Mercedes 190e it always felt like a quality car. I have a modern Mercedes now and I love it.

  • @MM-qd4km
    @MM-qd4km 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Another car I should have kept 😢 one standout feature for me was the fresh air vent in the centre, no matter what temp you selected you had fresh air which was great in winter as it didn’t get too stuffy.

  • @Keithj136
    @Keithj136 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ed this is excellent 👍

    • @TwinCam
      @TwinCam  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks as always Keith :)

  • @scottishcarenthusiastsandtrain
    @scottishcarenthusiastsandtrain 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very enjoyable Video Ed.

  • @dougnolan5567
    @dougnolan5567 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My favourite Merc..

    • @TwinCam
      @TwinCam  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's up there for me too!

  • @plym1969
    @plym1969 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another very entertaining and informative video Ed. Thanks 🙂

  • @robinosborne266
    @robinosborne266 ปีที่แล้ว

    My wife and I are very much Mercedes-Benz people. We used to be Jaguar owners and had numerous new ones including 3 XJs. We hated the design of the latest XJ when it came out and we were rapidly becoming tired of the electrical issues the cars all suffered from. The exception being a beautiful S-Type that we purchased new in 2003 which was trouble free and a wonderful car. Alas they stopped making the S-Type and brought out the awfully hard riding XF which is why we turned to the XJ models.
    We were speaking to a friend who had owned Mercedes-Benz cars for over 25 years and asked why he had always stuck with them. He told us that there was something about the cars which impressed you more and more the longer you owned them. We have now had a E class 250 Diesel, a E class 350 Diesel (brilliant) and we now have a superb CLS 300 Coupe which is absolutely superb and which we intend to keep for a very long time. We definitely do not want an electric vehicle until (if) the infrastructure is vastly improved. Great video

  • @ОлегП-ф6ю
    @ОлегП-ф6ю ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The owner of both cars and 190 and BMW 3 series, very lamented that he had sold the BMW. After BMW, 190 "does not go at all." Machines similar in power and class. I am leisurely so my choice is 190. Now I am "captain snail" on a volvo 340 1.4 from 1984.

    • @TwinCam
      @TwinCam  ปีที่แล้ว

      I'd like a 190 E 2.6 to waft around in, but a 325is for fun at the weekends! Funnily enough, a friend and I are going crazy for E30 Tourings at the moment. Some day, an E30 will happen for me!
      Love a 340!

  • @garygriffiths2911
    @garygriffiths2911 ปีที่แล้ว

    An impressive and high quality car for sure - and I've driven a few over the years. Had I ever been in the market for buying a new one however then I might have been slightly less impressed that the manufacturer couldn't be bothered to photograph a RHD example in the UK brochure. I guessing that is something else you wouldn't see today.

    • @mhoppy6639
      @mhoppy6639 ปีที่แล้ว

      If I remember rightly I think the bmw catalogues were similar. I collected most of them back then and they always had a separate price list shaped like a takeaway menu but obvs much more classy! Always at the top was the ultimate (then) driving machine the mighty M635csi.
      This was before the other M cars before the baby 1 series and thankfully before that appalling looking “2” series. Also BBB
      Built. Before. Bangle.
      😂😂😂
      Edit - obvs not before the M1 but I think k that had gone out of production in the 70s??

  • @dereksmith6126
    @dereksmith6126 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am most definitely, 100% part of the rose tinted brigade. And proud of it!
    Still like your videos though!!

    • @TwinCam
      @TwinCam  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I do a fair amount of rose-tintedness myself!

  • @adebrade172
    @adebrade172 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent

  • @roberttaylor6295
    @roberttaylor6295 ปีที่แล้ว

    As my late friend Frank Carson would say: "It's a cracker!" I am not a Merc man beyond the fab racing cars of the late '30s but, as you say, they were largely well engineered - but for me boring! Yet the 190 was a boon for Taxi drivers throughout Europe! Cheap to run and relatively reliable.
    And congratulation for the correct pronunciation of the manufacturer! Back in the Dark Ages as a callow youth at school, my English Master, a Manxman, corrected me when I mis-pronounced the it, am so I have been proud, if not bit snobbish(!) to correctly do so ever since! Lol
    Thanks for all you do for me petrolhead, and for the research that goes into everything you do.
    Rob🙂

    • @TwinCam
      @TwinCam  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Daym-ler = Jaguar
      Daim-ler = Mercedes ;)

  • @stanelder9995
    @stanelder9995 ปีที่แล้ว

    The brochure prose sounds like it has been (somewhat clumsily) translated from the German. Bosch (my former employer) was the developer and supplier of the diesel fuel injection technology on these (and most other European diesel-engined cars and trucks) - diesel technology and performance advanced very quickly from this period on.....

  • @Richard-Bullock
    @Richard-Bullock ปีที่แล้ว

    Many years ago my dad had a 190 D 2.0 5 speed manual. That thing was PAINFULLY slow. But my God did it feel absolutely rock solid. Only thing I didn't like about driving it was the slow, ponderous gear changes. It had such a heavy flywheel that you could not rush a gear change.

    • @TwinCam
      @TwinCam  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Mercedes manuals have never been known for their change quality!

    • @Richard-Bullock
      @Richard-Bullock ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TwinCam True. But he also had an E200K 6 speed manual, and that was not so bad really.

  • @runoflife87
    @runoflife87 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yep, that was a great car for sure even if too small for many MB owners.
    As for the Sierra, it wasn't that ugly. But the front end is where Ford designers have gone too far instead of keeping Probe III headlights which looked pretty good.

  • @Backwardlooking
    @Backwardlooking ปีที่แล้ว

    The turbo diesel wasn’t available in the U.K..

  • @TheStwat
    @TheStwat ปีที่แล้ว

    RHD cars couldn't have the turbo due to the steering box being in the way.

  • @robertblair-uk4ph
    @robertblair-uk4ph ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I had a 190E as my daily for a few years. Good at being AN car. Provided faultless daily service and never put a foot wrong. Looked good, too. Just a shame it was criminally boring to drive. Mine was a 2.0 auto and it wasn't that fast, and it didn't really handle and it didn't ride well enough to make up for that. While it was well built, you could tell where they'd cut corners. The door cards were shit and warped really badly, and some of the plastics were rubbish. Particularly the facia and vents around the instrument cluster. Really nasty and flimsy. I suppose that's the trade off of being the first Mercedes that was built to a price point rather than to a standard regardless of cost. I ended up giving it away when I inherited a Rover 75 V6. The 75 cost significantly more to run, but I didn't mind. It felt every bit as solid as the 190E, went rather better, rode better and had a far more charismatic engine. Do I regret it? Absolutely not. I found the 75 far more enjoyable and the cost was worth it to me.

    • @TwinCam
      @TwinCam  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      A friend of mine has a 190 E 2.0 Automatic. He really loves it, but hates it in equal measure. He does silly mileage in it to work and back and bought it because he needed a new retro daily. Won't drive something modern, because cool cars are worth it. He went from a lowered 1.0 Metro to the Mercedes, and it just does exactly what he wants from it. Comfortable, refined, etc. But it is criminally boring compared to the noise from that modified Metro, and despite only being a 2.0, drinks fuel.

    • @robertblair-uk4ph
      @robertblair-uk4ph ปีที่แล้ว

      It's funny you mention frugality. I always felt like mine (also a 2.0 auto) ran on fresh air. With that said, my yardstick for comparison at that time was a Jaguar XJ8, and the 75 with which it was replaced. Both of which were very thirsty in comparison. I suppose it's all relative. I'm sure it does seem thirsty in comparison to a Metro lol.

    • @TwinCam
      @TwinCam  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      24 mpg he gets average! 😆

  • @a-aron5691
    @a-aron5691 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just wrecked mine saturday, T-bone collision with a 17 ram pickup... wouldn't recommend it.

    • @TwinCam
      @TwinCam  ปีที่แล้ว

      Oof! Hope you're okay mate.

  • @persjofors2586
    @persjofors2586 ปีที่แล้ว

    Reviewing a brochure is a bit lame. Is it not?

    • @TwinCam
      @TwinCam  ปีที่แล้ว +5

      If you aren’t interested, simply move on. I’m having fun, and the topic is more than clear from the title.

    • @21stcenturyozman20
      @21stcenturyozman20 ปีที่แล้ว

      Do better.

    • @MakerfieldConsort
      @MakerfieldConsort ปีที่แล้ว +2

      No, it isn't. This is a channel about cars, and that is a much, much larger subject than "oh look, big car goes vroom!".
      Yes, the car reviews which I assume you prefer are a large part of it, but so are the videos where Metros are being taken to pieces (and hopefully put back together), the ones where Ed gives his opinions on various motoring topics, and the ones where he looks at how cars were marketed. Like this one.
      As Ed himself said, if you don't like it, move on and enjoy the next one.