As someone who has just got back into the game and got lucky with Camellya, I find Roccia to be extremely tempting to get S2. She has plenty of weapon options and the havoc dmg bonus at s2 can change how you build Camellya's echoes, and focus more on atk instead of havoc dmg.
@ potentially but Roccia gives Camellya a general DMG boost while Camellya’s resonance chains are targeted at specific parts of her attacks. Overall you could be right though
No, I disagree. The grouping is very useful if you have a random enemy wander off as well as in the overworld and in events. It's a nice QoL feature. I think people get a bit too fixated on ToA. Not every little thing in the kit needs to be specifically tailored for it. You spend like 10 minutes on it every 2 weeks, lol. It's easy and makes up less than 5% of my total playtime with the game. E.g. my favorite dupe for Jinhsi is her S2. It makes her 5 times more fun to play and only is a minor buff in ToA. I think it's very possible Roccia's kit will be further adjusted, but you may be underestimating it a bit already. There will be content that is specifically Havoc weak which will make Roccia's personal damage better which is in line with Camellya if you have multiple teams and end up optimizing around elemental alignment. It's also possible Roccia will match Sanhua's optimal rotational damage while leading to a comfier rotation. Sanhua is currently seen as one of the best units in the game at E6, often being ranked above limited units, so saying a unit coming out will match that at base level is not really that condemning. As you say yourself, making it so you essentially have 2 Sanhua's to work with can be very useful. And, if you vertically invest, she will end up being significantly better. I think what will happen, is she will come out more optimized, rotations will be figured out that put her slightly above Sanhua at base level for Camellya, and vertical investment will increase that gap, while also her feeling more QoL featured. This would be in line with say Shorekeeper vs. Verina, in that while Shorekeeper is better, especially with vertical investment, at base level, they are a bit close. While Shorekeeper is more universal than a specific sub dps focus, if you already have Shorekeeper and a Havoc dps you like to use, Roccia would be a sensible pickup, doubly so if you want to be able to use Sanhua on other teams as well. All in all, I think you are being just a bit overly negative at this juncture, all things considered.
Not to mention the fact that havoc rover and Danjin are amazing DPS for tower. Sanhua is also a highly sought after character for many different teams.
You are wrong with the groupings part Camly does have a grouping problem with one enemy or two being outside her AOE and she is not moving fast enough to catch those outside enemies during her AOE spinning I think this is the best selling point for the character if they did it right. Also regarding her diversity, you don't really need to equip her the new echo set she can have old energy support set and be fine for all characters not to mention that Zhi Zhi outro give energy and Glacia dmg but she is still the best support for Jinshi so you don't really need to make advantage of the whole kit to make the character good
So roccia does the same buff as S6 sanhua at S0, I really needed this video to help me decide which one I should go for , i think i'll go for jinshi since i lost her in her first banner.
Same I got S6 Sanhua and I since Roccia is the same as her I dont see me pulling for her. Also Sanhuas concerto gain in unmatched its a matter of seconds and you can change to Camellya
My personal opinion is that, it is better to get Camellya’s sequences like S2 if your goal is to make your Camellya team stronger because Sanhua is strong enough as a support
She is maybe for Rover and not Camelya 🤔since Rover does have some problems grouping and if we get S6 Rover in 2.0 that could make the team even better...but idk xD thats my condition for pulling i guess if we dont get S6 Rover im pulling for a copy of Jinsi
She is obviously more intended for HMC then Camellya since she demands so much field time. Typically wanting the fastest possible rotation to get back into Camellya to start the "spin to win" all over again. Roccia, being slower and more suited as a dual dps setup, is going to want to be paired with someone who is also a bit slower (HMC Forte) that pairs well in a dual dps setup for smoother/consistent rotations. It's basically going to be the Changli+Encore team but for Havoc.
Not really, Cameliya cooldown is pretty long (25 sec on forte and res lib) so her rotation is also long and it is totally fine to fit in rocia for duo dps, tho tbh her number is also kinda low
@@HuyNguyen-mf9fi Not at all. Roccia is much slower then the supports we already have now for Camellya. This would be a dps loss for Camellya or at best be on par with what we already have now and you don't really want to switch off her often or you lose out on your spin to win damage...which is the majority of her damage. HMC has plenty of windows in his kit that allows for easy quickswaps. This would allow Roccia to quickswap as well to do her rotation and build outro before going all in on HMC when his forte is ready.
@@Rpground you can quickswap cameliya skill, charge atk and spin in white hair mode. What I was trying to say is right now the rotation with sanhua is too short for cameliya cooldown to keep up with (around 20 s). So it is fine if roccia extends the rotation to maybe 25 sec while offering better buffs and her own dps.
@@Rpground we will have to see the numbers before jumping to conclusions. Its clear her kit is directly compatible with Camellya. As to whether it results in a DPS loss is yet to be seen. Roccia being better suited for HMC over Camellya is not obvious.
I can't, sanhua is soooo clubky, her forte triggers weirdly sometimes doesnt even trigger, it has delayed concerto, i need her, its so much quality of life + less clunkyness, i hope i get both carlotta and roccia
If you slap Overture on her, it fixes that issue. I noticed it immediately after switching her to a more dps oriented weapon since I was a few seconds short of clearing a ToA floor, it made my clear times worse...that or get into the habit of using her liberation before skill, so you are always going to explode her ice for the additional concerto gains...but this opens you to being interrupted by attacks.
I really like all these diverse scalings, er turning into crit on shorekeeper, now Roccia wants crit rate, it makes them feel more different even if they are actually similar, I also prefer it over just getting more and more artifact sets where you still end up farming for the same 3 stats
She good for all Havoc dps characters in game rn , Hyoercarry Rover , Hyper Carry Danjin as well since they both don't have grouping or huge aoe and utilize a lot of basic atk for Their damage.
Even as an encore user i would still probably skip her because the only thing ingame that makes it so I cant run sanhua for both her and cameylla is overdrive towers and those r niche ingame content anyways
I mean do you really need a buffer for Camelya? I have her at s4 and she is pretty much just a monster. On her next banner rerun, I'll go for her 6, and then she's just a wave of annihilation 😂 So is Roccia really necessary?
@@caibra88 bro mine Is c0 and a monster with just saunhua I 100% don’t need a new 5* that can’t even buff attk has a longer field time and. Only benefit is 20 extra dmg bonus
roccia has grouping ability besidesher buffing ability, which isa very good combo with camellya's aoe, but if you are comfortable enough with camellya's gameplay and spread out enemies don't bother you then rocccia is not necessary
@@omeganoelf.6173 yea as of rn camellyas AoE seems good enough for me to not need so grouper but maybe the new region will focus on a lot of waves of spread out enemies to make her more necessary
@@omeganoelf.6173 problem is you're trading more uptime of Shorekeeper's Stellar Realm in exchange for that grouping. Camellya's 2-spin rotation is just long enough to fit in that duration, and that's with Sanhua's low field uptime, so what about Roccia's longer rotation?
@ThundahPrime even without her signature and the havoc set why not using her as a second dps with camellya? I'm sure she'll do WAY more dmg that sanhua even if she stays on field longer, not to mention camellya will also do a lot of dmg when she gets on field, this will essentially kill some bosses in one single rotation if roccia is really well built along with the queen ofc
It’s not like the kid characters are wearing swimsuits and bikinis. What the heck is wrong with people? Are kid characters in gacha games just simply seen as sex objects even if they are not even wearing provocative clothing? Like, what is even going on as of late? Not like the loli characters pole dancing in the game or some shit.
As someone who has just got back into the game and got lucky with Camellya, I find Roccia to be extremely tempting to get S2. She has plenty of weapon options and the havoc dmg bonus at s2 can change how you build Camellya's echoes, and focus more on atk instead of havoc dmg.
Isn’t Camellya S3 better though? Plus Sanhua is hotter imo
@ potentially but Roccia gives Camellya a general DMG boost while Camellya’s resonance chains are targeted at specific parts of her attacks. Overall you could be right though
Even at s0 I think atk 3 cost will be better on camellya only if you hot the New sett
@@kingslimekira okay???... why is sanhua being hotter a factor here LMAO
No, I disagree. The grouping is very useful if you have a random enemy wander off as well as in the overworld and in events. It's a nice QoL feature. I think people get a bit too fixated on ToA. Not every little thing in the kit needs to be specifically tailored for it. You spend like 10 minutes on it every 2 weeks, lol. It's easy and makes up less than 5% of my total playtime with the game. E.g. my favorite dupe for Jinhsi is her S2. It makes her 5 times more fun to play and only is a minor buff in ToA.
I think it's very possible Roccia's kit will be further adjusted, but you may be underestimating it a bit already. There will be content that is specifically Havoc weak which will make Roccia's personal damage better which is in line with Camellya if you have multiple teams and end up optimizing around elemental alignment. It's also possible Roccia will match Sanhua's optimal rotational damage while leading to a comfier rotation. Sanhua is currently seen as one of the best units in the game at E6, often being ranked above limited units, so saying a unit coming out will match that at base level is not really that condemning.
As you say yourself, making it so you essentially have 2 Sanhua's to work with can be very useful. And, if you vertically invest, she will end up being significantly better. I think what will happen, is she will come out more optimized, rotations will be figured out that put her slightly above Sanhua at base level for Camellya, and vertical investment will increase that gap, while also her feeling more QoL featured. This would be in line with say Shorekeeper vs. Verina, in that while Shorekeeper is better, especially with vertical investment, at base level, they are a bit close. While Shorekeeper is more universal than a specific sub dps focus, if you already have Shorekeeper and a Havoc dps you like to use, Roccia would be a sensible pickup, doubly so if you want to be able to use Sanhua on other teams as well.
All in all, I think you are being just a bit overly negative at this juncture, all things considered.
Not to mention the fact that havoc rover and Danjin are amazing DPS for tower. Sanhua is also a highly sought after character for many different teams.
You are wrong with the groupings part Camly does have a grouping problem with one enemy or two being outside her AOE and she is not moving fast enough to catch those outside enemies during her AOE spinning I think this is the best selling point for the character if they did it right.
Also regarding her diversity, you don't really need to equip her the new echo set she can have old energy support set and be fine for all characters not to mention that Zhi Zhi outro give energy and Glacia dmg but she is still the best support for Jinshi so you don't really need to make advantage of the whole kit to make the character good
So roccia does the same buff as S6 sanhua at S0, I really needed this video to help me decide which one I should go for , i think i'll go for jinshi since i lost her in her first banner.
Does s6 sanhua give basic attack dmg tho? I ask cuz i hav her and never saw it
@@KotaKyoKaya her outro skill does just like roccia!
@@ThundahPrime aint no way, ty
@@KotaKyoKaya bro does not read the character kit
Same I got S6 Sanhua and I since Roccia is the same as her I dont see me pulling for her.
Also Sanhuas concerto gain in unmatched its a matter of seconds and you can change to Camellya
My personal opinion is that, it is better to get Camellya’s sequences like S2 if your goal is to make your Camellya team stronger because Sanhua is strong enough as a support
She is maybe for Rover and not Camelya 🤔since Rover does have some problems grouping and if we get S6 Rover in 2.0 that could make the team even better...but idk xD thats my condition for pulling i guess if we dont get S6 Rover im pulling for a copy of Jinsi
honestly im just excited for the new echo set for my danjin :)
She is obviously more intended for HMC then Camellya since she demands so much field time. Typically wanting the fastest possible rotation to get back into Camellya to start the "spin to win" all over again.
Roccia, being slower and more suited as a dual dps setup, is going to want to be paired with someone who is also a bit slower (HMC Forte) that pairs well in a dual dps setup for smoother/consistent rotations.
It's basically going to be the Changli+Encore team but for Havoc.
Not really, Cameliya cooldown is pretty long (25 sec on forte and res lib) so her rotation is also long and it is totally fine to fit in rocia for duo dps, tho tbh her number is also kinda low
@@HuyNguyen-mf9fi Not at all.
Roccia is much slower then the supports we already have now for Camellya.
This would be a dps loss for Camellya or at best be on par with what we already have now and you don't really want to switch off her often or you lose out on your spin to win damage...which is the majority of her damage.
HMC has plenty of windows in his kit that allows for easy quickswaps. This would allow Roccia to quickswap as well to do her rotation and build outro before going all in on HMC when his forte is ready.
@@Rpground you can quickswap cameliya skill, charge atk and spin in white hair mode.
What I was trying to say is right now the rotation with sanhua is too short for cameliya cooldown to keep up with (around 20 s). So it is fine if roccia extends the rotation to maybe 25 sec while offering better buffs and her own dps.
@@Rpground we will have to see the numbers before jumping to conclusions. Its clear her kit is directly compatible with Camellya. As to whether it results in a DPS loss is yet to be seen. Roccia being better suited for HMC over Camellya is not obvious.
I can't, sanhua is soooo clubky, her forte triggers weirdly sometimes doesnt even trigger, it has delayed concerto, i need her, its so much quality of life + less clunkyness, i hope i get both carlotta and roccia
I get it, for me gameplay is MUCH more important than the "best combination by the numbers".
Maybe you have low energy regeneration
Get her to S5 and the clunkyness goes away
@@4pereal726 Concerto is not effected by energy generation...
If you slap Overture on her, it fixes that issue.
I noticed it immediately after switching her to a more dps oriented weapon since I was a few seconds short of clearing a ToA floor, it made my clear times worse...that or get into the habit of using her liberation before skill, so you are always going to explode her ice for the additional concerto gains...but this opens you to being interrupted by attacks.
Considering I have S6 Camellya and S6 Sanhua… not sure what I should do. Maybe I’ll just accept what fate gives me in Rinascita.
Congratulations, the games now over for you
Am so jealous lol ugg
thanks for supporting kuro and wuwa 😊
Real 😭☝️ I LOVE Camellya's Playstyle So Im Still Wondering If Roccia Works Better Than S6 Sanhua W S6 Camellya
I'm happy she's not a must so that I can skip her, I don't like toddler character models at al
.....Yeah until you realize its a beta and we still have to go through december before 2.0, alot can change.
She's so cute though, I love her style
"toddler"
mf'er has never seen a toddler before.
@@Rpground ukr lolz
Agreed
Skipping roaches and pulling Carlotta for sure
Sooo excited Roccia play style is so unique ❤❤
Hope they buff her a little since she is more niche. Sanhau will still have a place anyway
Remember y'all its only beta sooo the ones who wants her well dont worry
I really like all these diverse scalings, er turning into crit on shorekeeper, now Roccia wants crit rate, it makes them feel more different even if they are actually similar, I also prefer it over just getting more and more artifact sets where you still end up farming for the same 3 stats
So all she is is a longer field time saunha that buffs havoc dmg instead of attk and she can do some grouping😐
She also has a higher personal damage output, but that isn't enough to make her better than Sanhua
@@ThundahPrimengl sanhua’s damage output is nowhere near bad anyways
Especially an s6 sanhua@@sweatdropss
She good for all Havoc dps characters in game rn , Hyoercarry Rover , Hyper Carry Danjin as well since they both don't have grouping or huge aoe and utilize a lot of basic atk for Their damage.
Cant I use that echo set for sanhua
Is the carlotta video coming soon. Great content btw
? He released that video first? Check his channel
@@muhammedsultanmustapha6571 It came out 2 days ago haha
Wait her gauntlet is very good for lingyang, that's crazy
I think i get her if i regret in his re run
If i don't have s6 sanhua should i pull her roccia then?
@@fallenqiqi4840 Still no. It's not worth it.
tbh i want her for my havoc rover, not really camellya as sanhua is more than enough lol
I think she should be a 4* imo
😂😂
Agree! All loli are gross and should be 4* 🤷🏻♂️
@@dragonkus6934 ur the problem if you think this way
@@dragonkus6934Using That Term Then Calling Something Gross Is Ironic
Even as an encore user i would still probably skip her because the only thing ingame that makes it so I cant run sanhua for both her and cameylla is overdrive towers and those r niche ingame content anyways
Ez skip, my Sanhua is basically a nuke even on moonlit clouds.
Fr I Love Dealing 500k+ W Sanhua
I mean do you really need a buffer for Camelya? I have her at s4 and she is pretty much just a monster. On her next banner rerun, I'll go for her 6, and then she's just a wave of annihilation 😂 So is Roccia really necessary?
@@caibra88 bro mine
Is c0 and a monster with just saunhua I 100% don’t need a new 5* that can’t even buff attk has a longer field time and. Only benefit is 20 extra dmg bonus
roccia has grouping ability besidesher buffing ability, which isa very good combo with camellya's aoe, but if you are comfortable enough with camellya's gameplay and spread out enemies don't bother you then rocccia is not necessary
@@omeganoelf.6173 yea as of rn camellyas AoE seems good enough for me to not need so grouper but maybe the new region will focus on a lot of waves of spread out enemies to make her more necessary
@@omeganoelf.6173it’a not like camellya lacks range or anything, her atks have a huge hitbox
@@omeganoelf.6173 problem is you're trading more uptime of Shorekeeper's Stellar Realm in exchange for that grouping. Camellya's 2-spin rotation is just long enough to fit in that duration, and that's with Sanhua's low field uptime, so what about Roccia's longer rotation?
if she's 3% better than sanhua I'll definitely pull her
@@h2okemo she is, somehow, worse
@ThundahPrime even without her signature and the havoc set why not using her as a second dps with camellya? I'm sure she'll do WAY more dmg that sanhua even if she stays on field longer, not to mention camellya will also do a lot of dmg when she gets on field, this will essentially kill some bosses in one single rotation if roccia is really well built along with the queen ofc
Tldr iiiiiii am gonna save up for camellya or jinshi's re run then so yayyy saving pulls an money lol
I love Camellia
I think its too early to judge the kits rn. But ey, new loli character lezgoo
So true, community. So true.
SANHUA SUPREMACY ‼️‼️‼️
LOL not even released yet!
Mama mia! At least her animations are fun.
Russia
I hate loli characters they gross me out.... 🤢🤮
Would Camellya E2 be a better investment stronger damage than E0 Camellya with E0 Roccia on the team ?
@@dragonkus6934 yes
@ThundahPrime really?? Ok I will just get E2 from the Shop.. lol thanks!!!!
They are cute you are gross
boooooo!
It’s not like the kid characters are wearing swimsuits and bikinis. What the heck is wrong with people? Are kid characters in gacha games just simply seen as sex objects even if they are not even wearing provocative clothing? Like, what is even going on as of late? Not like the loli characters pole dancing in the game or some shit.