dennis luck I’m sorry you had to go through such miserably with that woman. That woman seemed demon possessed. I’ve lived with a woman family member who was bipolar and being pregnant was pure Hell.
It makes no difference glass or plexiglass, when windows and their “frames” in high rises are new, it’s a nice tight fit. As Lamont made the point this building is 25 plus years old, all buildings “Settle” and continue to “settle” for a good 50 years. In settling, the tight fit of every part of the building slowly shifts. As it settles things are not tight and strong when the building is new. Part of this, is seasonal weather. In the cold everything shrinks, in the summer everything expands year in and year out. There is no way to keep a building like new, Mother Nature sees to it that she runs the show. She takes opportunity to cause as much havoc as possible in every corner of the world. The window / window frame no doubt was not the fit it use to be, glass or plexiglass are still subject to the earth / building settle and Mother Nature struck at it with her bitter cold, intense heat, bad weather and the sun beating on it every nice sunny day.
@@msladyyoung6819 nobody wants to live inside of a tomb, in stale air, living space needs fresh air, Normally people don’t get pushed or fall out of high rise windows.
Hey Lamont you brought up a good point when u said that at the time of her suicide she could have been out if she would have taken the deal and she didn't.. That probably haunted her and she thought of that in her mind so maybe in her own mind she felt that if she just ended her life it would have been like being free and gone from prison in a way
I'm sorry. No matter how hard I try, I just can't squeeze out any tears for Amber. For Josh, I am horrified and so, so sorry that he died---especially in the way he died. My prayers also go out to the families...both families.
My daughter rented an apartment there on the 24th floor and moved out a couple of years before this happened. The building is nice and clean and has a real retro/mod vibe - though dated. They have a huge indoor pool in the basement that practically no one used, but it was kept sparkling clean. I would go over there to swim 3 times a week, but only once was there someone else in the pool. The building is built from a newly invented, (at the time) lightweight concrete material.The elevators are in the center of the building and each apartment is pie shaped so every apartment has a view. My daughter's apartment had a beautiful view of the river. I was worried about the very short balcony railing off her dining area. Scared me silly that someone might accidentally fall over. A friend of mine was an EMT and worked Mr. Hilberling's death. He quit after that.
He’s also forgetting that she was completely not caring and reckless at what she was doing to her unborn baby. Then she pushes her husband out a window? Drug use makes the user not care about human life.... Prison was right where she should have been.
According to Find A Grave Josh Hilberling is buried in Hillside Cemetery, Sedgwick, Harvey County, Kansas. His memorial was added to Find A Grave March, 2020.
@Marie Tulsa is known for tornados even if she pushed him by surprise that window should not have shattered. A tornado wind is a lot stronger than any human push.
Not painting any kind of picture. But this wasn't a match made in heaven. His family seen it first before he did. Take time to know people these days. That was a really big fall. 🏯
To push someone out the window is horrible. If someone is caught off guard it does not matter who is tall or short. Kind of like a sucker punch did not see it coming. A bad situation all the way.
I lived in a high rise building with similar windows. While living in the building a husband and wife fought and the husband a bruiser of a man. Slung his wife into the glass cracking the glass on the 17th floor.....Do you realize how hard she had to have pushed him to go through that glass? Damn!!
It all depends on the building codes of the day.....AND weather they followed them. They might have used window glass that was not upto specs to save money or the code for their use might not even be in place at the time.
They did determine that the glass in that building is very thin. The building was built in 1964 and windows had never been replaced, they were all originals aside from those that has been cracked or broken over the years. They were single pane thin windows from the 60's. Honestly, I see that building every day as I work right by it and the windows still look like the originals.
By him marrying her, he signed for his death 💀. If she was abusive why did did he marry her. You can’t change a drug addict. They have to want to changed themselves. Very say case.💔💔💔💔
M. Di Federico this is not true. You have some mothers stronger than their spouse. The kids are not program cause they are not robots 🤖. Once a child reach adult age, parents are not responsible for their actions. I know some ppl whose children who went to church every Sunday and turn out to be a beast. So, you can’t say single parents. Children who have both parents turn out to be beasts too🧐😳🤔🥺
To correct you Josh was giving dishonourable discharge from the Marines for taking and supplying drugs. Whilst staying at Amber’s parents he was caught using drugs and both had to leave as her parents do not approve of drugs in their house. They let them use the high rise flat until other accommodation was ready. They were only there 2 weeks before the infamous fall. Also Amber herself was hospitalised as a result of Josh’s temper. On the day in question early in the morning Josh cracked window pane in bedroom hence why window repair man was present at time of incident. This is not a story of good boy, bad girl you have been led to believe!
Sometimes love is so intense between two people that it winds up going wrong. I believe that neither one was emotionally mature enough to talk through their feelings rather than screaming and allowing things to turn physical. The real victim in this story is unfortunately their son. Thank you so much for sharing this. 💔
Blu Nation Kind of like John and Paul. Fortunately it never got that bad,but it was definetely intense and somewhat toxic. I know Paul still misses him.
Criminal mindedness and mental and emotional sickness in toxic relationships it extends in all so-called relationships married or otherwise such as in the case of fornication (two people in a relationship but not married, same sex marriages, etc.
I might add that a healthy marriage between man and women where true love and respect rule supreme is not a JOKES!! but a Blessing. On the other hand if two people put themselves together for shallow reasons and it's all base on the physical (looks and sex and benefits etc then it is a big time JOKE!!! And lots of people should not be in a relationship at all much less getting married, but to do so is a JOKE!!!
Now you talk like YOU were there! Besides that, with women's lib, you can't have your cake, and eat it too. you can't claim you're just as tough and competent as a man, when you're a woman. But want all the chivalry traditionally associated with being the weaker sex, when it's going to be to your advantage.
I can't imagine the fear that went through that young man's mind on his fall down 20 something stories. I know that just in one second your mind can go through a hundred thoughts. He was leaving her and had a packed bag at the front door and she went nuts. The reason I believe she meant to push him out the window is that she started running from the other side of the apartment to gather speed and then pushed him. That's why I believe it was premeditated in the blink of an eye. While serving in prison she committed suicide. Her mother is raising their son. If it was my son I would not have let her family raise my grandchild because of how they raised their daughter that is a murderer. I would have fought tooth-and-nail to get that baby boy. Everyone remember when you're young that looks are only a small portion of what you need in a mate.
This story was truly heart breaking. To push someone out of a window is horrible . If it's a bad relationship just walk away. Your life is not worth it!!!
@@mrsTraveller64 I really thought he was going to do it especially sence the poor husband was the true victum. So very disappointed in Lamont not doing this !!
My prob is if it was the other way around. The male wiuskve got bashed and would’ve been guilty from the start without question. She needs to be held accountable
Her mother must've hired an idiot for an attorney! Even for manslaughter which I believe it was meaning she didn't intentionally try to kill him she was offered 5 years in prison and her ignorant attorneys said to take it to trial and she got 25 years? Maybe post the name of her attorney so NOBODY ever uses those fools again. Sad all around. RIP to both Amber and Josh. 💔
I live not too far from there. Honestly she would have really had to push him hard to get him thru the window. Those windows are not easy to break. They have to withstand high winds and other stuff. She really pushed him hard. It wasn't just a shove or a push. She had to really shove and push him hard. He was a big man. She was a truly mean bitch.
@@lady4191 In a high rise? I don't believe that. That's tempered glass. Just like a glass shower, it can be hit with a hammer and not break. Hit the edge, however, and it will shatter. Most likely is it may have had a weak seal which could have led to a catastrophic failure.
@Nina Cal yeah but I bet she hasn't pushed someone out a window to their death. Then tried to lie about it in court to dodge responsibility. Ironic she hung herself she could lie to everyone around her but not her conscience.
I remember being glued to my television around the time of the trial/verdict & seeing her being interviewed from the prison. Even 'We Canadians' couldn't get enough! Thankyou for covering this Lamont If not for your update on this story, l wouldn't even know that she passed away! Who knows.....Maybe both young lovers found the peace together in death that they couldn't achieve in life 🕊.....thankyou Lamont. Love your channel ❤
That's probably why she took her own life, she probably realized at the end of 2016 that, had she taken that deal, she would have been home soon. But thinking about about two decades made her snap.
Hi lamont. Usually, hearing these stories is a real bummer. But dude, your videos are TOTALLY fascinating!!!! Keep up the good work and keep us all interested. I will be looking forward to your next video!!!!
I remember this case very well. I saw the story all over different stations. She was trying to hurt him that day and shouldve gotten worse.. There was no abuse on his part. The next door neighbor and several others stated they heard them often arguing where she was the aggressor and heard them that day. Josh kept going back to her because he loved her and wanted to make it work for the unborn kid. He had refused to press charges previously when she assaulted him. Her behavior was witnessed by both their families. Her mom had the nerve to justify her behavior and felt she shouldn't go to jail for his death. He had packed his bags,called his father to pick him up and was leaving that day. I believe she was pissed daring him not to leave n flipped out. She tried to say she was next to him arguing while he was messing with the tv, he was ignoring her rant n that aggravated her so she pushed him. The neighbor said it sounded like she was yelling from another room at a distance away because he could hear running charging like cattle at him right before the crash. She pushed him on purpose n had to know how dangerous and forceful that push would be to him. She told her grandma in the holding room she pushed him because she was so pissed ,his parents said I would kill him if he didnt leave n I did, her grandma had to tell her to stop talking because she was telling all the business. He had a restraining order against her, not the other way around. She commonly assaulted him, not the other way around. She wanted that extravagant apartment, so he got it for them. Her family was wealthy,which is how she made bail so quickly. She was an entitled, spoiled brat who threw tantrums or assaulted him when she didnt get her way.. Its ridiculous to say her small frame couldnt be strong enough to push him, if he was distracted,not expecting it and she charged him clearly that would make the push more powerful and fatal as it did. She came to court smiling and waving like a Texas beauty pageant contestant ,she thought her money and looks was gonna set her free. Her susie homemaker appearance was to manipulate the jury to think this lil sweet southern girl could never. I think she killed herself because she couldnt handle jail like most brats,cowards or psychopaths and surely the inmates were not nice to her. She arrogantly gambled and lost. That 5 yrs they offered was a slap in his family's face. Had she been a battered wife I wouldve been all for it but that wasnt the case,she was the abuser. I think karma came to collect,now his family has justice.......shannon b
I agree with you and saw this story on a couple of different stations. What you stated is what was said by the reporters and interviewers. I also saw the video with her mother and grandmother as well as the interviews with Josh's family. Young love is not always the right love.
You got it correct. The one that is suffering is their little boy. From all the reports, she was a spoiled brat. Always got what she wanted. Did they meet at a party? For some reason that is in my head. I believe he had been in the military. Not sure which branch. He really could not afford that apartment as you stated. My heart to the little boy. Do you know who is raising him? I would assume his parents.
It's never a good idea to reason with a drug addict. They are not of sound mind when the urges strike. Poor man. He just got married, he is gonna be a father, he has his whole life ahead of him, and he died in the most agonising way. This story is a tragedy.
My heart goes out to the child. His mother killed his father. Then killed herself. I can't even imagine the issue that child will have throughout his life. God, bless him.
Her poor son. Thanks for once again as always presenting this case with sensitivity and respect as well as sticking with the vital facts. Her family thinks she was murdered. I read details of her life in prison, and she very well could have been murdered. So sad for all involved.
In loving memory of Amber and Josh Hilberling Part 1 of 3 I am responding to a TV documentary shown on C4 ‘woman who kill’ shown a few weeks back in the UK. One of the examples included the Amber Hilberling case in which she described her story and included various comments from Mr Dave Walker of the Tulsa Police in the US. From listening to this case I was struck by her account and the unusual manner and circumstances that this case came about; specifically how the Tulsa Police handled it. What was so disturbing to me is how such a seemingly harmless environment could end in such a horrific tragedy. The police were quick to rule out any possibility of unintentional killing immediately once a secret recording in the police investigation room was taken with Amber and her Nan. This resulted in Amber receiving a draconian and Inhuman incarceration sentence of 25 yrs, without giving an opportunity to raise a defence for manslaughter the most plausible cause based on the evidence. This compares to a recent case in the UK where a man who had history of abusing his wife (and previous woman) repeatedly assaulting her and eventually killing her and disposing of her body. He received 20 years with possibility of applying parole after serving 10 years on murder 1 charge. In Amber’s case her conviction on murder 2 was based on a single momentary ‘push’ lasting no more than a few seconds of her life, with a history of relatively low level of domestic abuse between both parties. I was deeply saddened to learn at the end of the program that Amber had killed herself (allegedly) leaving her orphaned son to have to grow up with the thought his mum had murdered his dad? How could this happen in a modern civilised country who values justice for its citizens as a corner stone of its existence. I felt that I owed it to Amber and her son Levi to investigate further and come by the full tape of the secret recording comparing with Mr Walker’s live comments in the program. Following on we know the decision to go for a murder investigation and not homicide (manslaughter) investigation was taken before the infamous secret recording was listened to by the homicide detective Dave Walker in charge of the case. On camera he made it clear that once he heard Amber state she killed him he dismissed any thought in his mind it could have been an accident (unintentional as defined by manslaughter). From this moment Amber’s fate was sealed and ultimately led to her death be it by suicide or murder which itself is in serious question. From my own observation of the flat, two things struck me. Firstly how innocuous and safe the crime scene appeared. As a 65 year old would I have been aware of the hidden danger, Josh and Amber likewise all three of us have no prior experience of living 25 floors up. There is history of both parties involved in domestic abuse, and pushing each other would not be uncommon. Secondly the tv is set away from the window as taken from Amber’s account. Could she have really expected to believe he would have travelled and ended up going through the window. Would any 19yr old (man or woman) be expected to know the window would be that unsafe, her focus was on Josh messing with the tv not the window. This leads to another problem, in the recording she mentions pushing Josh against the wall, from her position what was she seeing. When investigating such things as plane crashes for example the investigators are trained not to have any preconceptions and there role is simply to find the truth first and make findings afterwords. Note the difference here with police investigator where there role is more opposite and they start from a position of assessing culpability not from a position of neutrality (ruling in innocence). This is a common misconception from people who have never had dealings with the police. An Air Crash investigator would start by resetting the stage so to speak, so for example what was the pilot seeing. With regard to Amber the window was half obscured by the blinds, the left side remained drawn part way and the right side torn away as a result of the fall. Josh himself is a large frame and would have occupied the remaining centre space, towering over the small frame of Amber. Also the light would have been affected, Looking at the room with the window fully exposed the room still appeared dark to me. Was a re-construction of the crime scene carried out. I think not, because in Mr Walker’s mindset he was satisfied this was a murder investigation not a homicide investigation. In his head he had a murder and a murderer all he now needed is evidence to join the dots. This raises serious concerns on the way this recorded material was treated. Mr Walker mentioned this was about as close to the truth as you can get “that is the most truthful I seen in that room”. I agree but you can’t play devils advocate here and pick what truth you are accepting and disregard what truth doesn’t fit your murder narrative. As a recording the whole picture has to be read and interpreted truthful, Mr Walker must avoid playing God with the truth. When a person is in a state of shock and trauma they are likely focused on the consequence and not how the consequence came about. She was saying this when she repeated “I see him falling and hitting the pavement over and over in my mind I can’t stop it”. Take example a car crash caused by Amber driving a car with Josh the passenger, a heated argument ensues and as a result she looses control and Josh ends up dead. Her immediate reactions is to blame herself “Oh my God I killed him”. This is not a confession of murder but part of processing the information. Mr Walker’s response should not be, ‘I heard she was arguing with him whilst driving so I realised then we had a murder investigation’. Your getting the truth but not all the truth. Remember this happened little more than hour ago when she was holding Josh in her arms, a person she clearly loves, the father of her unborn, and where she had no motive to want him dead.
Interesting but extremely sad 😢. In life there are always ups and downs when it comes to relationships. The best option in a situation like this would be to just walk away when the relationship starts to turn from bad to worse and never to return. That way you won't get hurt. Shame on the grieving familes and the child left orphaned😢.You have done a great job covering the story Lamont. Keep it up👍
I hope the son NEVER sees this!! But no doubt he will somehow 😡 Very sad and damaging for the lad if he does see this.....what good would it do? Such a terrible sad thing for the families...🙏🏻😢🇬🇧 Hope the lad grows up and forgives both parents and Does not blame himself!!! .....which could be the case! RIP both mom and dad.......🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
I disagree... there should not ever be arguing or fighting in a relationship.... I've been with my hubby for 19 years and only ever had two arguments.... and that was two too many...
Those windows should have been way thicker..the story all around is sad..I truly don't think Amber meant to kill him but she was at fault in many ways...they both often were physical with one another.
There is something more to this story because it takes a lot to break a window in a high-rise and she supposedly slung him into the window where he fell thru, It just doesn't add up, why don't people LEAVE if they are abused?
This is one story where everyone lost. I truly don’t believe she intended to kill him but when u put your hands on another person, the unexpected can happen and then there r consequences ...I saw the interview w/her mother b4 she died and her son is in very good hands. May they both RIP Such a sad outcome all round.
I believe that in this story the real victim is the child who lost both parents. These two individuals were inmutare, irresponsable and selfish especially this woman knowingly she was pregnant and her unborn child should have been PRIORITY NUMBER ONE, not her husband, not herself but the child she was carrying who didn’t ask to be born. I feel sorry for the child not having both parents and became an orphan due to her drug problem and the constant arguing as the late husband said. In my opinion, this couple shouldn’t have never gotten married never mind the woman letting herself become pregnant! As I said , they both didn’t have the maturity to deal with everyday life issues. Perhaps the child is better off being raised by someone else who really cares for him and want the best for this orphan. Tragic and sad.
I sold building products to contractors for years and I don’t know why that wasn’t tempered glass in that building. That window was inches from the floor, what if their newborn fell through the window? Plate glass at that height is negligent, I wonder if the owner was fined?
@@nana-x9 it's not shatterproof. if you're heavy enough, and have enough momentum you can still crash through it, if you hit it hard enough. if It hadn't been up to code, you would have heard about it.
For a building so tall to Not have double glazed windows that’s despicable on the buildings body corporate, his family should have sued the building owners regardless under public liability
The video would have been correct if you visited the grave of the murdered husband... She killed her husband.. She murdered him.. I am sick of woman getting preferential treatment because they are pretty... Just because someone looks good on the outside does not overcome the fact that they are toxic within.. Your feelings are not reliable. they deceive you..
I saw this story on Investigation Discovery. She was saying "I didn't mean to push him" n her grandmother was with her in the police interrogation room like "shut up-don't say that". So sad. Poor kid has no mom or dad now.
amber never seemed remorseful for what she did. Listening to her mother try to paint her as a victim is disgusting. The mother is the reason why Amber was so disillusioned. Karma always comes on time.
That girl lied threw her teeth. Josh never hit her once. She had been violent towards him for months...he asked for a divorce and it pissed her off...she shoved him out of the window on purpose. He was in the military and hadn't been home very long...there was some speculation that she had an affair with another man and the baby wasn't his. But she didn't want to lose his income because she wasn't working. Just because he was over 6 foot didn't mean he was attacking her. He never had hit her before. It was anything but an accident.
I'd like to know what the tradesman heard. What a tragedy all this was. So unnecessary. I have two teenage sons and I always warn them about crazy chicks.
I do recollect seeing a documentary here in the UK on that story , Just a very sad beginning and a very sad ending for all involved , A Very well put together video From start to finish lamont , 👏👏
Amber ended up killing herself. The child is the one who really has to suffer. 😞
The lawyer give her that deal. 🤔.
Sad!! 😢
Her family claims she was murdered
Yes
Sad always for the kids involved in this to live wirh .
Physical abuse against males has to be taken more seriously.
So very true.
I was beat and degraded with cancer, but survived, thank God the women came forward to defend me in the divorce...It's rarely noted being a male
Amen!! Yes it does!!
dennis luck I’m sorry you had to go through such miserably with that woman. That woman seemed demon possessed. I’ve lived with a woman family member who was bipolar and being pregnant was pure Hell.
U are insane
The thoughts going through his mind while falling, damn I cant imagine.
OMG!!
he probably was over run with adrenaline and blacked out honestly.. ideally. so sad man.
A horrible way to die 💔😢
Cant imagine what!!???
God willing it was a quick fall
Damn how thin was the window, usually tall building should be made out of strong Plexiglas
"usually"
It is an old buildings. Looks about 50 years old.
It makes no difference glass or plexiglass, when windows and their “frames” in high rises are new, it’s a nice tight fit. As Lamont made the point this building is 25 plus years old, all buildings “Settle” and continue to “settle” for a good 50 years. In settling, the tight fit of every part of the building slowly shifts. As it settles things are not tight and strong when the building is new. Part of this, is seasonal weather. In the cold everything shrinks, in the summer everything expands year in and year out. There is no way to keep a building like new, Mother Nature sees to it that she runs the show. She takes opportunity to cause as much havoc as possible in every corner of the world. The window / window frame no doubt was not the fit it use to be, glass or plexiglass are still subject to the earth / building settle and Mother Nature struck at it with her bitter cold, intense heat, bad weather and the sun beating on it every nice sunny day.
Them widows shouldn’t even be able to open being that high up
@@msladyyoung6819 nobody wants to live inside of a tomb, in stale air, living space needs fresh air, Normally people don’t get pushed or fall out of high rise windows.
I feel bad for the child. I hope he has a wonderful life despite what happened to his parents.
Hes with his grandparents ambers family and hes happy
@@lisaperuzzi389 living with grandparents is different, from personal experience. This story is similar to what happened to my parents.
Very true but levi despite everything ues happy
Who would expect that glass to break..l mean really though..was she that strong to push him that hard??
Sadly, the little boy died in a car accident last week. RIP 😭
Hey Lamont you brought up a good point when u said that at the time of her suicide she could have been out if she would have taken the deal and she didn't.. That probably haunted her and she thought of that in her mind so maybe in her own mind she felt that if she just ended her life it would have been like being free and gone from prison in a way
I 100% agree
interesting thought...you may be right..
She mentioned in the dateline interview wishing she had taken the deal.
Did she take her life or was it a suicide ?
@@a.m.thomas9366 That’s the same thing
I'm sorry. No matter how hard I try, I just can't squeeze out any tears for Amber. For Josh, I am horrified and so, so sorry that he died---especially in the way he died. My prayers also go out to the families...both families.
Both sides were effected
Lamont clearly has that covered restraining order drugs while pregnant and all smh he has his picks
My daughter rented an apartment there on the 24th floor and moved out a couple of years before this happened. The building is nice and clean and has a real retro/mod vibe - though dated. They have a huge indoor pool in the basement that practically no one used, but it was kept sparkling clean. I would go over there to swim 3 times a week, but only once was there someone else in the pool. The building is built from a newly invented, (at the time) lightweight concrete material.The elevators are in the center of the building and each apartment is pie shaped so every apartment has a view. My daughter's apartment had a beautiful view of the river. I was worried about the very short balcony railing off her dining area. Scared me silly that someone might accidentally fall over. A friend of mine was an EMT and worked Mr. Hilberling's death. He quit after that.
Now that poor kid has to deal with it the rest of his life!
I'm with you James, The Son should have been her main concern.
Her son is safe with Amber's mother he knows what happened
@Dmac 740 So she Sufficated herself. Yeah Suicide
James facts 💯👈.
@@hulkstrong9092 Questions that will never be answered
Bad relationship get out dont fight just get out.
Josh had tried to get out that day. His bags were packed ready to leave
Well said!
@@dr2stroke611 leave unannounced
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@@maridonis6308 😆👏👏👏👏👏👏
I believe she had to have pushed him extremely hard to actually get him through a window. End of story.
You took the Bs side. I won't watch you again.. or subscribe. You should have waited until you had time to do it properly
@@janetbenning2645 well what do you believe happened?
Yeah cause if she see him losing his balance hold so he does not go out the window.
Spoiled drug addicted brat.
He’s also forgetting that she was completely not caring and reckless at what she was doing to her unborn baby. Then she pushes her husband out a window? Drug use makes the user not care about human life.... Prison was right where she should have been.
According to Find A Grave Josh Hilberling is buried in Hillside Cemetery, Sedgwick, Harvey County, Kansas. His memorial was added to Find A Grave March, 2020.
She killed somebody and get a sweet deal of 5 yrs and she turned it down? that was stupid.
she's dead now she actually died in prison during her sentence
Karma is a cruel mistress you do not tempt
She took her life in prison.....
Check out my comment relating to deal, not as obvious you think, tick box if you agree deal or not.
tyler496121 I think she wanted to do more time or die
Such a sad story.. My Dad lives 2 miles from that apartment, So I remember it very well. My condolences to both families 🙏
rip the husband whom was pushed to his death out of the window by his own wife
and the building shook.Either Josh was a very heavy boy or that was some shoddy construction.
6'6" YUP about 250+
@@Laffy1345 Groundbreaking
@@MrMelgibstein that's a good pun, I feel bad laughing at it though ngl
@lana lake You are right,the firefighters could not walk outside and in some videos you can actually see the bodies falling outside the lobby windows.
@Marie Tulsa is known for tornados even if she pushed him by surprise that window should not have shattered. A tornado wind is a lot stronger than any human push.
I remember this story! RIP to Josh ! Condolences to the family!!🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Not painting any kind of picture. But this wasn't a match made in heaven. His family seen it first before he did. Take time to know people these days. That was a really big fall. 🏯
I agree!
@@kiara198923 Same here!
I never heard this story very sad , you sound like you may have known him ? God Bless us all .
What did family see before he did,?, like them obviously looking at her side ways didnt cause them marital problems
Agree
I remember this story. You are 100% right, there are no winners in this case.
She killed herself an couple months ago ... Very sad ..
I feel bad for the kid.
@@tonyarceneaux286 I do too. There are no winners when it comes to murder.
I agree.
@@tonyarceneaux286 growing up with no parents does suck, from personal experience, especially when you witnessed the death. PTSD sucks
That’s a creepy looking building. I can’t believe there’s no tempered glass🤨
I would not be surprised if after this, that became law.
Tempered glass breaks easily into a thousand peices. Did you mean laminated glass?
It’s weird how the building sits on the car port.
Plexeglass.
Fr Tho
To push someone out the window is horrible. If someone is caught off guard it does not matter who is tall or short. Kind of like a sucker punch did not see it coming. A bad situation all the way.
Phyllis Wurm Qatar
I agree SUCKER PUSH is more like it!
Exactly what a cowardly thing to do
Phyllis, that's a very good point.
Remind me of Amber Heard. She abuse johny depp and manipulating
How sad, hope their son achieves great things in life.
Me too, although not likely
So very tragic and sad. My heart goes to their son. The fact that the glass even broke is terrifying. Sounds like an accident waiting to happen.
I lived in a high rise building with similar windows. While living in the building a husband and wife fought and the husband a bruiser of a man. Slung his wife into the glass cracking the glass on the 17th floor.....Do you realize how hard she had to have pushed him to go through that glass? Damn!!
It all depends on the building codes of the day.....AND weather they followed them. They might have used window glass that was not upto specs to save money or the code for their use might not even be in place at the time.
Have you read the story about the attorney who ran and hit a window multiple times - and one day it just all came out. Most things weaken over time.
They did determine that the glass in that building is very thin. The building was built in 1964 and windows had never been replaced, they were all originals aside from those that has been cracked or broken over the years. They were single pane thin windows from the 60's. Honestly, I see that building every day as I work right by it and the windows still look like the originals.
@@tinanealon733 That happened in Canada if I an not mistaken
That's why Noone should never push people on windows
By him marrying her, he signed for his death 💀. If she was abusive why did did he marry her. You can’t change a drug addict. They have to want to changed themselves. Very say case.💔💔💔💔
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M. Di Federico You just said it. Some cowards run away and don’t take responsibility for the children conceived. That’s were the real problem begins.
kindinot exactly
M. Di Federico this is not true. You have some mothers stronger than their spouse. The kids are not program cause they are not robots 🤖. Once a child reach adult age, parents are not responsible for their actions. I know some ppl whose children who went to church every Sunday and turn out to be a beast. So, you can’t say single parents. Children who have both parents turn out to be beasts too🧐😳🤔🥺
To correct you Josh was giving dishonourable discharge from the Marines for taking and supplying drugs. Whilst staying at Amber’s parents he was caught using drugs and both had to leave as her parents do not approve of drugs in their house. They let them use the high rise flat until other accommodation was ready. They were only there 2 weeks before the infamous fall. Also Amber herself was hospitalised as a result of Josh’s temper. On the day in question early in the morning Josh cracked window pane in bedroom hence why window repair man was present at time of incident. This is not a story of good boy, bad girl you have been led to believe!
What a horrific way to die. I can’t begin to imagine the sheer terror the man would felt as he begun falling.
Sometimes love is so intense between two people that it winds up going wrong. I believe that neither one was emotionally mature enough to talk through their feelings rather than screaming and allowing things to turn physical. The real victim in this story is unfortunately their son. Thank you so much for sharing this. 💔
Another real victim is the guy who got pushed and is now dead.
Thats called a toxic relationship, def not a healthy or mature one.
That's not love. That's domestic violence which ended in murder.
There is a fine fine line between love and hate. Been there and it can be scary
Blu Nation Kind of like John and Paul. Fortunately it never got that bad,but it was definetely intense and somewhat toxic. I know Paul still misses him.
6'6" Military Man.
Still wasn't good enough for her to quit drugs , and for her to be a decent wife and mother.
To death do you part, it should go to divorce do you part. 😣😭
Seriously, marriage is a joke now.
Criminal mindedness and mental and emotional sickness in toxic relationships it extends in all so-called relationships married or otherwise such as in the case of fornication (two people in a relationship but not married, same sex marriages, etc.
I might add that a healthy marriage between man and women where true love and respect rule supreme is not a JOKES!! but a Blessing. On the other hand if two people put themselves together for shallow reasons and it's all base on the physical (looks and sex and benefits etc then it is a big time JOKE!!! And lots of people should not be in a relationship at all much less getting married, but to do so is a JOKE!!!
“Until the first sign of violence do us apart”. 😓
I understand that couples fight. But to do bodily harm to someone is still wrong. And you pay the price for what you do.
The TH-camr probably beat his wife went to Prison SO this is his way of Repenting
Who raised her son? Married or not. No one should EVER put their hands on anyone else in anger! So sad.
Her mother has her son.
No one should ever strike another in anger unless they're absolutely sure they can get away with it.
Now you talk like YOU were there! Besides that, with women's lib, you can't have your cake, and eat it too. you can't claim you're just as tough and competent as a man, when you're a woman. But want all the chivalry traditionally associated with being the weaker sex, when it's going to be to your advantage.
@Judi Gracefor all you know, nobody did.
@@frankpaya690 Equal rights, Equal wrongs...
My home town born and raised I sure do remember this case. So sad rip to those involved 🙏🏾 😢 💔 😞 🕊🕊
I can't imagine the fear that went through that young man's mind on his fall down 20 something stories. I know that just in one second your mind can go through a hundred thoughts. He was leaving her and had a packed bag at the front door and she went nuts. The reason I believe she meant to push him out the window is that she started running from the other side of the apartment to gather speed and then pushed him. That's why I believe it was premeditated in the blink of an eye. While serving in prison she committed suicide. Her mother is raising their son. If it was my son I would not have let her family raise my grandchild because of how they raised their daughter that is a murderer. I would have fought tooth-and-nail to get that baby boy. Everyone remember when you're young that looks are only a small portion of what you need in a mate.
This comment is 💯.
Parents aren’t at fault for the choices they’re children make when adults.
you're hard and numb. all situations require an emotional component... in reality.
Parents dont got nothing to do with her daughter doing some dumb shit smh
Yes, I remember this story d way u described it….
This story was truly heart breaking. To push someone out of a window is horrible . If it's a bad relationship just walk away. Your life is not worth it!!!
"He said/She said" means the woman is the abuser and everyone's too scared and PC'd to say so.......
That’s horrible, and I hope their son is well taken care of by loving people.
I wish he would have showed the husband's grave too
s m why?
@@mrsTraveller64 I really thought he was going to do it especially sence the poor husband was the true victum. So very disappointed in Lamont not doing this !!
@@SandraMontano-si3uf but what pleasure would it give you to see his grave? A stone with some flowers..
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@@mrsTraveller64 Well, I guess it would just seam to be the respectful thing to do.
My prob is if it was the other way around. The male wiuskve got bashed and would’ve been guilty from the start without question. She needs to be held accountable
I feel so sad for the son. He is left without both the parents. 😢
She wasn't thinking about her unborn baby when she killed him nor was she thinking about her son before killing herself it's a shame
R.i.H josh
What a dummy that girl should of too the deal
Actually he's probably better off without them
@@frankpaya690 I AGREE.
SHE ON DRUGS SHE PUSJED HIM OUT THE WINDOW HE SHOULD NEVER HAVE MARRIED HER
So you've never did anything stupid out of love?
I've done stupid stuff... But never murder...
Hormones during pregnancy make some women insane.....Psychosis is probably the cause she acted that way.
Incorrect amber never did drugs
Lisa Peruzzi how do u know?
I do not feel sorry her going to prison. Her death yes, she left a child without a parent.
This whole illusion is about remorse to learn loveforgive all is alive on next level.
Her mother must've hired an idiot for an attorney! Even for manslaughter which I believe it was meaning she didn't intentionally try to kill him she was offered 5 years in prison and her ignorant attorneys said to take it to trial and she got 25 years? Maybe post the name of her attorney so NOBODY ever uses those fools again. Sad all around. RIP to both Amber and Josh. 💔
I live not too far from there. Honestly she would have really had to push him hard to get him thru the window. Those windows are not easy to break. They have to withstand high winds and other stuff. She really pushed him hard. It wasn't just a shove or a push. She had to really shove and push him hard. He was a big man. She was a truly mean bitch.
Priscilla Futral of course..she did that to him on purpose..
The Windows were single pained and weren't up to code. Just saying
@@lady4191 In a high rise? I don't believe that. That's tempered glass. Just like a glass shower, it can be hit with a hammer and not break. Hit the edge, however, and it will shatter. Most likely is it may have had a weak seal which could have led to a catastrophic failure.
@Nina Cal yeah but I bet she hasn't pushed someone out a window to their death. Then tried to lie about it in court to dodge responsibility. Ironic she hung herself she could lie to everyone around her but not her conscience.
I remember being glued to my television around the time of the trial/verdict & seeing her being interviewed from the prison. Even 'We Canadians' couldn't get enough! Thankyou for covering this Lamont
If not for your update on this story, l wouldn't even know that she passed away! Who knows.....Maybe both young lovers found the peace together in death that they couldn't achieve in life 🕊.....thankyou Lamont. Love your channel ❤
Love seeing the true crime locations. Very interesting.
I live in Tulsa and remember when this happened! And Every time I go downtown I see that building and think of him😔
That's probably why she took her own life, she probably realized at the end of 2016 that, had she taken that deal, she would have been home soon. But thinking about about two decades made her snap.
That was my 1st thought too.... that 5 yrs then suicide was no coincidence. She finally realized how long that next 20 was gonna be
Well, happy trails to her
@@frankpaya690 Hello Frank. Your comment sucks.
I read Amber hillerling’s autopsy, she ended up shitting her pants 👖💩 when she hung herself
@@kidkully That's why one has to take a pre-death crap.
Talk about marrying the wrong woman..
Very sad case all around. Just curious- Who has the Baby Boy? My heart goes out to him :(
Amber's mom. She has full custody of him
@@wednesdayaddams1473 the dads parents should have get the baby.
Amber's mum
@Stephen Hansen yeah she committed suicide in 2016 after she gave birth already
Hi lamont. Usually, hearing these stories is a real bummer. But dude, your videos are TOTALLY fascinating!!!! Keep up the good work and keep us all interested. I will be looking forward to your next video!!!!
Even if she did take the deal she still could have been sued by the mans family for wrongful death.
Abuse is not okay no matter what gender,
I remember this case very well. I saw the story all over different stations. She was trying to hurt him that day and shouldve gotten worse.. There was no abuse on his part. The next door neighbor and several others stated they heard them often arguing where she was the aggressor and heard them that day. Josh kept going back to her because he loved her and wanted to make it work for the unborn kid. He had refused to press charges previously when she assaulted him. Her behavior was witnessed by both their families. Her mom had the nerve to justify her behavior and felt she shouldn't go to jail for his death. He had packed his bags,called his father to pick him up and was leaving that day. I believe she was pissed daring him not to leave n flipped out. She tried to say she was next to him arguing while he was messing with the tv, he was ignoring her rant n that aggravated her so she pushed him. The neighbor said it sounded like she was yelling from another room at a distance away because he could hear running charging like cattle at him right before the crash. She pushed him on purpose n had to know how dangerous and forceful that push would be to him. She told her grandma in the holding room she pushed him because she was so pissed ,his parents said I would kill him if he didnt leave n I did, her grandma had to tell her to stop talking because she was telling all the business. He had a restraining order against her, not the other way around. She commonly assaulted him, not the other way around. She wanted that extravagant apartment, so he got it for them. Her family was wealthy,which is how she made bail so quickly. She was an entitled, spoiled brat who threw tantrums or assaulted him when she didnt get her way.. Its ridiculous to say her small frame couldnt be strong enough to push him, if he was distracted,not expecting it and she charged him clearly that would make the push more powerful and fatal as it did. She came to court smiling and waving like a Texas beauty pageant contestant ,she thought her money and looks was gonna set her free. Her susie homemaker appearance was to manipulate the jury to think this lil sweet southern girl could never. I think she killed herself because she couldnt handle jail like most brats,cowards or psychopaths and surely the inmates were not nice to her. She arrogantly gambled and lost. That 5 yrs they offered was a slap in his family's face. Had she been a battered wife I wouldve been all for it but that wasnt the case,she was the abuser. I think karma came to collect,now his family has justice.......shannon b
Thanks for scoop, figured there was more to the story.
I agree with you and saw this story on a couple of different stations. What you stated is what was said by the reporters and interviewers. I also saw the video with her mother and grandmother as well as the interviews with Josh's family. Young love is not always the right love.
Karma will get you back!
@@barbaramollmann5990 Of course, you're welcome..didnt like how he was trying to make her innocent n the victim.......shannon b
You got it correct. The one that is suffering is their little boy. From all the reports, she was a spoiled brat. Always got what she wanted. Did they meet at a party? For some reason that is in my head. I believe he had been in the military. Not sure which branch. He really could not afford that apartment as you stated. My heart to the little boy. Do you know who is raising him? I would assume his parents.
It's never a good idea to reason with a drug addict. They are not of sound mind when the urges strike.
Poor man. He just got married, he is gonna be a father, he has his whole life ahead of him, and he died in the most agonising way. This story is a tragedy.
Damn. That poor kid is going to grow up without their parents. It's so sad. smh.
You always do a great job Lamont 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Sad on so many levels
Sadly an unfortunate accident and now a little boy has lost both his parents even before he new them. So Sad
Murder not accident !
Rest in Peace Amber!
Rest in Peace Josh!
I pray your son peace and understanding.... ❤
Amber doesn't deserve no peace.
Rest in peace Amber? Fuck that bitch
Did you hear the story???
My heart goes out to the child. His mother killed his father. Then killed herself. I can't even imagine the issue that child will have throughout his life. God, bless him.
Her poor son. Thanks for once again as always presenting this case with sensitivity and respect as well as sticking with the vital facts. Her family thinks she was murdered. I read details of her life in prison, and she very well could have been murdered. So sad for all involved.
In loving memory of Amber and Josh Hilberling Part 1 of 3
I am responding to a TV documentary shown on C4 ‘woman who kill’ shown a few weeks back in the UK. One of the examples included the Amber Hilberling case in which she described her story and included various comments from Mr Dave Walker of the Tulsa Police in the US. From listening to this case I was struck by her account and the unusual manner and circumstances that this case came about; specifically how the Tulsa Police handled it. What was so disturbing to me is how such a seemingly harmless environment could end in such a horrific tragedy. The police were quick to rule out any possibility of unintentional killing immediately once a secret recording in the police investigation room was taken with Amber and her Nan. This resulted in Amber receiving a draconian and Inhuman incarceration sentence of 25 yrs, without giving an opportunity to raise a defence for manslaughter the most plausible cause based on the evidence. This compares to a recent case in the UK where a man who had history of abusing his wife (and previous woman) repeatedly assaulting her and eventually killing her and disposing of her body. He received 20 years with possibility of applying parole after serving 10 years on murder 1 charge. In Amber’s case her conviction on murder 2 was based on a single momentary ‘push’ lasting no more than a few seconds of her life, with a history of relatively low level of domestic abuse between both parties. I was deeply saddened to learn at the end of the program that Amber had killed herself (allegedly) leaving her orphaned son to have to grow up with the thought his mum had murdered his dad? How could this happen in a modern civilised country who values justice for its citizens as a corner stone of its existence. I felt that I owed it to Amber and her son Levi to investigate further and come by the full tape of the secret recording comparing with Mr Walker’s live comments in the program.
Following on we know the decision to go for a murder investigation and not homicide (manslaughter) investigation was taken before the infamous secret recording was listened to by the homicide detective Dave Walker in charge of the case. On camera he made it clear that once he heard Amber state she killed him he dismissed any thought in his mind it could have been an accident (unintentional as defined by manslaughter). From this moment Amber’s fate was sealed and ultimately led to her death be it by suicide or murder which itself is in serious question.
From my own observation of the flat, two things struck me. Firstly how innocuous and safe the crime scene appeared. As a 65 year old would I have been aware of the hidden danger, Josh and Amber likewise all three of us have no prior experience of living 25 floors up. There is history
of both parties involved in domestic abuse, and pushing each other would not be uncommon. Secondly the tv is set away from the window as taken from Amber’s account. Could she have really expected to believe he would have travelled and ended up going through the window. Would any 19yr old (man or woman) be expected to know the window would be that unsafe, her focus was on Josh messing with the tv not the window. This leads to another problem, in the recording she mentions pushing Josh against the wall, from her position what was she seeing. When investigating such things as plane crashes for example the investigators are trained not to have any preconceptions and there role is simply to find the truth first and make findings afterwords. Note the difference here with police investigator where there role is more opposite and they start from a position of assessing culpability not from a position of neutrality (ruling in innocence). This is a common misconception from people who have never had dealings with the police. An Air Crash investigator would start by resetting the stage so to speak, so for example what was the pilot seeing. With regard to Amber the window was half obscured by the blinds, the left side remained drawn part way and the right side torn away as a result of the fall. Josh himself is a large frame and would have occupied the remaining centre space, towering over the small frame of Amber. Also the light would have been affected, Looking at the room with the window fully exposed the room still appeared dark to me. Was a re-construction of the crime scene carried out. I think not, because in Mr Walker’s mindset he was satisfied this was a murder investigation not a homicide investigation. In his head he had a murder and a murderer all he now needed is evidence to join the dots. This raises serious concerns on the way this recorded material was treated. Mr Walker mentioned this was about as close to the truth as you can get “that is the most truthful I seen in that room”. I agree but you can’t play devils advocate here and pick what truth you are accepting and disregard what truth doesn’t fit your murder narrative. As a recording the whole picture has to be read and interpreted truthful, Mr Walker must avoid playing God with the truth. When a person is in a state of shock and trauma they are likely focused on the consequence and not how the consequence came about. She was saying this when she repeated “I see him falling and hitting the pavement over and over in my mind I can’t stop it”. Take example a car crash caused by Amber driving a car with Josh the passenger, a heated argument ensues and as a result she looses control and Josh ends up dead. Her immediate reactions is to blame herself “Oh my God I killed him”. This is not a confession of murder but part of processing the information. Mr Walker’s response should not be, ‘I heard she was arguing with him whilst driving so I realised then we had a murder investigation’. Your getting the truth but not all the truth. Remember this happened little more than hour ago when she was holding Josh in her arms, a person she clearly loves, the father of her unborn, and where she had no motive to want him dead.
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Hi Lamont,
There is nothing wrong with this video you did an awesome job thank you!
I don't think a body would shake the building-if it did, I'd move lol
A match made in a Heaven or a match made in Hell
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You are so compassionate, Lamont. God loves you.💜💜💜💜
Interesting but extremely sad 😢. In life there are always ups and downs when it comes to relationships. The best option in a situation like this would be to just walk away when the relationship starts to turn from bad to worse and never to return. That way you won't get hurt. Shame on the grieving familes and the child left orphaned😢.You have done a great job covering the story Lamont. Keep it up👍
I think she reaped what she sowed.
Very true
No kidding
Amen
Great job Lamont. I'm wondering if the son will ever see this video. Tragic in all aspects.
N. Im sure we'll someday his son should see how his mom was evil rip better be in some good adopted parents
I hope the son NEVER sees this!!
But no doubt he will somehow 😡
Very sad and damaging for the lad
if he does see this.....what good would it do?
Such a terrible sad thing for the families...🙏🏻😢🇬🇧
Hope the lad grows up and forgives both parents
and Does not blame himself!!! .....which could be the case!
RIP both mom and dad.......🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
He was so handsome & looks like such a nice guy! His poor family.... :(
I kno! What a dumb bitch...he should have married my ass
Love? Sureee it was...his spirit came back and got vengeance...I feel sorry for the baby
I disagree... there should not ever be arguing or fighting in a relationship.... I've been with my hubby for 19 years and only ever had two arguments.... and that was two too many...
I recall this story very well, he was a soldier whose wife pushed him out the window
Those windows should have been way thicker..the story all around is sad..I truly don't think Amber meant to kill him but she was at fault in many ways...they both often were physical with one another.
There is something more to this story because it takes a lot to break a window in a high-rise and she supposedly slung him into the window where he fell thru, It just doesn't add up, why don't people LEAVE if they are abused?
And I guess that the husband “tripped” on Amber’s hands and miraculously fell out of the window!?
This is one story where everyone lost. I truly don’t believe she intended to kill him but when u put your hands on another person, the unexpected can happen and then there r consequences ...I saw the interview w/her mother b4 she died and her son is in very good hands.
May they both RIP
Such a sad outcome all round.
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Bruh
Bruh she killed her husband pushed him out a window
She was on drugs and pregnant and she admitted it
Sorry Lamont i don't feel sorry fir her !!! Why didn't you shiw his grave?????
NOW THE BUILDING IS HAUNTED!👻😱
Imagine then other residents in that building knowing that the windows are not sturdy?
I believe that in this story the real victim is the child who lost both parents. These two individuals were inmutare, irresponsable and selfish especially this woman knowingly she was pregnant and her unborn child should have been PRIORITY NUMBER ONE, not her husband, not herself but the child she was carrying who didn’t ask to be born. I feel sorry for the child not having both parents and became an orphan due to her drug problem and the constant arguing as the late husband said. In my opinion, this couple shouldn’t have never gotten married never mind the woman letting herself become pregnant! As I said , they both didn’t have the maturity to deal with everyday life issues. Perhaps the child is better off being raised by someone else who really cares for him and want the best for this orphan. Tragic and sad.
Why are you visiting HER GRAVE?😡😡
I sold building products to contractors for years and I don’t know why that wasn’t tempered glass in that building. That window was inches from the floor, what if their newborn fell through the window? Plate glass at that height is negligent, I wonder if the owner was fined?
My thoughts exactly
Lamont At Large sweet! Thank you for your reply, I’m honored.
With being in Tulsa, OK, that tall of a building, & tornado central; I also wondered, during all the reports, why the glass was not a stronger type?
Nana Cole x6 Exactly! If you watch the Dr Phil episode, you can see just how low to the ground the windows are.
@@nana-x9 it's not shatterproof. if you're heavy enough, and have enough momentum you can still crash through it, if you hit it hard enough. if It hadn't been up to code, you would have heard about it.
Lamont I Looked this up Josh Hilberling Final resting spot is in Sedgwick, Harvey County Kansas the Child is the one who suffers the most out of this.
Thank you Lamont for this story. I agree with you. Sad for both families.
For a building so tall to Not have double glazed windows that’s despicable on the buildings body corporate, his family should have sued the building owners regardless under public liability
Soooooo, newly weds fight during their honeymoon? What happened to card games?😅
Why wasn’t there safety glass in place? Very unsafe for children. RIP guys
I live close to Tulsa.. That was quite a story.. My daughter in law works at Mabel Bassett where she died.
??? I haven't finished video..she dies??
The video would have been correct if you visited the grave of the murdered husband... She killed her husband.. She murdered him.. I am sick of woman getting preferential treatment because they are pretty... Just because someone looks good on the outside does not overcome the fact that they are toxic within.. Your feelings are not reliable. they deceive you..
How do a grown man get beat up by a female who’s seven months pregnant 🤰
Mental abuse can make anyone at any size feel smaller
Yes it happens.
Excellent reporting, but you're way too easy on this girl. At the end of the day, she is exactly where she belongs.
I saw this story on Investigation Discovery. She was saying "I didn't mean to push him" n her grandmother was with her in the police interrogation room like "shut up-don't say that". So sad. Poor kid has no mom or dad now.
could you imagine if a car was driving up the garage and the body landed on the car or right infront of the car
amber never seemed remorseful for what she did. Listening to her mother try to paint her as a victim is disgusting. The mother is the reason why Amber was so disillusioned. Karma always comes on time.
That girl lied threw her teeth. Josh never hit her once. She had been violent towards him for months...he asked for a divorce and it pissed her off...she shoved him out of the window on purpose. He was in the military and hadn't been home very long...there was some speculation that she had an affair with another man and the baby wasn't his. But she didn't want to lose his income because she wasn't working. Just because he was over 6 foot didn't mean he was attacking her. He never had hit her before. It was anything but an accident.
Anne B...You're absolutely right! Well said.
Wow u were in the room you should have testified you know all the business
I'd like to know what the tradesman heard. What a tragedy all this was. So unnecessary. I have two teenage sons and I always warn them about crazy chicks.
I do recollect seeing a documentary here in the UK on that story , Just a very sad beginning and a very sad ending for all involved ,
A Very well put together video From start to finish lamont , 👏👏
She knew exactly what she was doing. She was an abuser
Saw the story. She was not innocent and deserves no sympathy
Why does people tend to have more pity for women who abuse men?