Hey guys, here's my take of the new (ish) Pagani GMT Black Bay homage. As you can tell from the title this one is far from perfect. But should you still get one? And massive thank you for 600 subs. Next giveaway unlocked at 1000 subs.
Excellent review, now I'm having second thoughts about getting it during the 11.11 Sale. Correct me, if I'm wrong but it looks like dots on the bezel (odd number) are not perfectly round.
Here's a tip: when you set the time or the GMT hand and push the crown back in or pull it out completely, the hands have a tendency to jump, I can see it happen at around 13:28 in the video, it's making it really difficult to set the time or GMT accurately. The solution to this is to set the hands, then disengage the stem by turning the crown the other way ever so slightly, maybe half or a quarter of a millimeter, so it is moving free and not engaging any gears or wheels inside. Might take a bit of practice but it will prevent the hands from jumping when you push or pull the crown.
I Purchased the same model with coke bezel No issues with bezel back play or alignment & insert font & colouring give a quality look & can't see any grey in the black dial. No issues with the bracelet except one slightly lose pin which I tightened while adjusting the bracelet Watch fits well on my wrist. Only issues are the hacking movement which kicked in when adjusting the GMT & Date. Would have preferred the option of Seiko movement but timekeeping seems very good. First accuracy test 24 hours +15 seconds & second accuracy test 16 over hours +2 seconds though that was unworn. Lume missing on second hand but I can overlook that as for 65-80€ you get a lot of watch for your money. Would have preferred a 42 mm watch but am more than satisfied with this my second Pagani purchase.
I have all the same issues as you. Also with mine the GMT hand moves slightly when I push the crown back in which is annoying. Takes a few attempts to get it right.
You might try disassembling as much of the bracelet around the stuck screw, unscrew it as far as it will go then heat the pin with a small torch. Alternate hot then cold in ice water. A couple of cycles may break it loose.
I have this watch in the red and blue bezel if, you apply backpressure the bezel will move in both directions. I discovered this a few days ago. It may need to be loosened a little it. Good Luck.
The dial is definitely a darker grey, not black, all of the Pagani and other brands of BB 'homages' that I own have it, because the original has it too. The difference is that this one has white text and logo, the ones with guild text/logo have way less contrast, which makes the logo etc even harder to see.... the BB chrono and the Pelagos have black dials... I was wondering about dial color on this BB GMT though, it wasn't visible in the listing images or video, so thanks for pointing this out, also for pointing out the other, all too familiar, Pagani issues once again... I was thinking to order one, got a nice discount. but decided to watch some more reviews first and now I'm not so sure anymore... Pagani is know for their (lack of) quality control. That's why i am reluctant to buy them, I already own a couple, the meca quartz models aren't that bad either, but then i found the Steeldive Sub homage, they pay more attention to details and quality on the front (dial, bezel, cyclops etc) and spend less on an overly luxurious clasp like PD does. Plus the SDive are about the same price, so i bought all 3 colors available and an SKX homage =) If only they would start selling a BB GMT homage at the same price point lol😜
Definitely a game of Russian roulette with Pagani design & QC although each time I get one for a review I do have to remind myself to manage my expectations 😅 they are after all said & done under £100
That sucks. I removed my bracelet and soaked it in hot (not boiling) water and that seemed to do the trick. Just make sure you wait for it too cool before removing the bracelet and don't do what i did.
@@WesWatchRoom I must say, i think thats the first and the last Pagani whitch i bought. I have a San Martin Seiko 62mas Homage and it is really high Quality, when you take both Watches in the Hand you feel the Diffrence . Sorry for my bad english, iam geman Greatings tom from Cologne Germany
Nice review Wes. I'm not a fan on Ali Express watches with exception of Steeldive only, as I love my gifted 1970 Captain Willard. Pagani Design bracelets always have screw pin issues. Chris Mirryl has had 3 with that same issue. Keep up good work.
Thanks mate and yeah that seems to the case with many of these watches. Luckily this was my first, all the others have been fine and I actually haven't tried a proper steeldive yet, but will be soon.
Didn't you forget to remove the blue sticker at the crown or they are now having blue accents? I have the same movements in my Phylida Seamaster GMT and, even it is loud and wobbly, it has been accurate enough in the nearly 9 months I have owned it. Let's see if Pagani releases a V2 with better QC
Yup, I did forget to remove the sticker. I pretty much always forget. They do have a v2 which is what I was supposed to get but honestly I don't know if I got the v1 or just a bad v2.
@@WesWatchRoom Then, let's hope they release a V3... I have seen in Reddit their new Longines Homage only with the logo, no other branding in the dial, and no date window and it looks gorgeous. I think they are going to increase the quality of their products, and possibly the price, and it is not a bad idea
Let’s agree, it only cost ~100USD, so cheap. Looks good if you like the Tudor BB GMT and I like the fact that you credit the look to Tudor not PD. My experience, I had some money to burn in Amazon and needed a GMT for a EU trip so I order one. First pressions out of the box, looks cool but the lug edges are sharp on the underside and setting it sucks! GMT setting is touchy and push in the crown and the hands all jump!!! This is bad! Makes me not wear it no matter how much I like the look. So I bought a BB Pepsi GMT in Geneva at 39x the price. Worth it if you can afford it, one of the best in the world. I’ll give this to my nephew.
If the screw turns, but doesn’t come out, then the treads are no good. So then just use a watch pin removal tool and press the screw out. Throw that link away and adjust and fit the bracelet to yourselves.
@@WesWatchRoom OK, that’s to bad. For my 7inch wrist I normally remove 2+2 links on the BB bracelet. So if you have roughly the same size, maybe you can remove 3 from the broken side. The broken one being in the middle of the three. Then two from the OK side and fit one of the two back on the broken side?
@@hansakselos4636 My wrist is only 6 so I have to remove more which is a pain really. But others have provided tips so I might be able to test them and see which works,
@@WesWatchRoom 🙌 if nothing else work, use a angle grinder or metal saw and just cut of the 2 connecting links that are jammed. You have several new links to replace them with. 😀
The only Pagani I own is their "Hulk" homage that I've owned for about 18 months. I must have been lucky as hell cos it had zero QC issues and even the Lume is really good. Like I say, just lucky I suppose. It cost me about £80 and for that sort of money, I'm chuffed with it. Do like the look of this one tbh..... Just not sure about the movement !!??
That's a really solid choice, as for the movement on this one it's a bit of an unknown quantity. It may be worth coming back to at some point and seeing if everything is still working okay.
Hi again Wes Corgeut do a GMT version of this watch as well. Do you think that might be worth a gamble? I think it’s on their official store but there’s no reviews for it on there and hardly anything about it on TH-cam. Their Black Bay homage was very good in my opinion.
Bought PD 2769 all black.This is not watch.This is one "big issue".Not water resistant.After 30 days stopped working.Hommage Rolex-Hulk my second Pagani watch, thread on crown gone after one year not everyday use.Didn't tiden hard crown.Watches look good ,but quality of materials are not good at all.
It's a shame about the QC issues this watch looks great if you're not a watch geek like us hopefully you'll get the bracelet fixed so you can wear it looks good on the canvas strap
i don't know about these pagani. I get it when they have an NH35...a tried and tested movement that can be fixed by all watchmakers in the world. If this watch breaks you might as well throw it in the bin. nobody will be able to fix it. The design is cool though
Hey guys, here's my take of the new (ish) Pagani GMT Black Bay homage. As you can tell from the title this one is far from perfect. But should you still get one? And massive thank you for 600 subs. Next giveaway unlocked at 1000 subs.
Really nice review, great camera work 👍
@@brianfromireland thank you. Appreciate that.
Excellent review, now I'm having second thoughts about getting it during the 11.11 Sale.
Correct me, if I'm wrong but it looks like dots on the bezel (odd number) are not perfectly round.
Here's a tip: when you set the time or the GMT hand and push the crown back in or pull it out completely, the hands have a tendency to jump, I can see it happen at around 13:28 in the video, it's making it really difficult to set the time or GMT accurately. The solution to this is to set the hands, then disengage the stem by turning the crown the other way ever so slightly, maybe half or a quarter of a millimeter, so it is moving free and not engaging any gears or wheels inside. Might take a bit of practice but it will prevent the hands from jumping when you push or pull the crown.
Will give this a try … thanks
I’ve just had the same issues with screws on my new Cronos sub homage. Very disappointing. But the PD GMT does look nice.
It's definitely nice but not perfect, that's really bad. Hopefully you'll get it sorted
And Cronos watches comes with a higher price.... with Pagani Design you hope to be lucky and get a good one, or at least one with only minor issues.
I Purchased the same model with coke bezel
No issues with bezel back play or alignment & insert font & colouring give a quality look & can't see any grey in the black dial. No issues with the bracelet except one slightly lose pin which I tightened while adjusting the bracelet
Watch fits well on my wrist.
Only issues are the hacking movement which kicked in when adjusting the GMT & Date. Would have preferred the option of Seiko movement but timekeeping seems very good. First accuracy test 24 hours +15 seconds & second accuracy test 16 over hours +2 seconds though that was unworn.
Lume missing on second hand but I can overlook that as for 65-80€ you get a lot of watch for your money.
Would have preferred a 42 mm watch but am more than satisfied with this my second Pagani purchase.
I have all the same issues as you. Also with mine the GMT hand moves slightly when I push the crown back in which is annoying. Takes a few attempts to get it right.
I do actually like this one. That bezel insert does it for me.
It's really nice, the red pops. Thanks for watching 👊
You might try disassembling as much of the bracelet around the stuck screw, unscrew it as far as it will go then heat the pin with a small torch. Alternate hot then cold in ice water. A couple of cycles may break it loose.
That's a good idea, might have to give that a go. Thanks for the tip
@Patrick Hudson appreciate the tip
I have this watch in the red and blue bezel if, you apply backpressure the bezel will move in both directions. I discovered this a few days ago.
It may need to be loosened a little it. Good Luck.
Thanks for the tip, much appreciated
All things considered, I might pick this one up in the sales... and hope to get a good piece. It'll be worth it especially at the lower price.
There's always a chance that you can get a dud but more often than not you'll be able to get a good one. Hopefully yours will be qc issue free
The dial is definitely a darker grey, not black, all of the Pagani and other brands of BB 'homages' that I own have it, because the original has it too. The difference is that this one has white text and logo, the ones with guild text/logo have way less contrast, which makes the logo etc even harder to see.... the BB chrono and the Pelagos have black dials...
I was wondering about dial color on this BB GMT though, it wasn't visible in the listing images or video, so thanks for pointing this out, also for pointing out the other, all too familiar, Pagani issues once again... I was thinking to order one, got a nice discount. but decided to watch some more reviews first and now I'm not so sure anymore...
Pagani is know for their (lack of) quality control. That's why i am reluctant to buy them, I already own a couple, the meca quartz models aren't that bad either, but then i found the Steeldive Sub homage, they pay more attention to details and quality on the front (dial, bezel, cyclops etc) and spend less on an overly luxurious clasp like PD does. Plus the SDive are about the same price, so i bought all 3 colors available and an SKX homage =) If only they would start selling a BB GMT homage at the same price point lol😜
Good looking Pagani Design GMT! Shame about the issues, especially the bracelet. Awesome review video though!
Thanks Eve and yeah it's a shame because it's almost a great watch, just let down in a few areas.
Definitely a game of Russian roulette with Pagani design & QC although each time I get one for a review I do have to remind myself to manage my expectations 😅 they are after all said & done under £100
Yeah that's so true and you're absolutely spot on with that. Thanks for watching mate
I have the same Problem with the same screw at these Watch, i have the black - blue Version !
That sucks. I removed my bracelet and soaked it in hot (not boiling) water and that seemed to do the trick. Just make sure you wait for it too cool before removing the bracelet and don't do what i did.
@@WesWatchRoom I must say, i think thats the first and the last Pagani whitch i bought. I have a San Martin Seiko 62mas Homage and it is really high Quality, when you take both Watches in the Hand you feel the Diffrence . Sorry for my bad english, iam geman
Greatings tom from Cologne Germany
Nice review Wes. I'm not a fan on Ali Express watches with exception of Steeldive only, as I love my gifted 1970 Captain Willard. Pagani Design bracelets always have screw pin issues. Chris Mirryl has had 3 with that same issue. Keep up good work.
Thanks mate and yeah that seems to the case with many of these watches. Luckily this was my first, all the others have been fine and I actually haven't tried a proper steeldive yet, but will be soon.
I had the same bezel misalignment with the Pagani Black GMT, had to use nail polish remover to adjust it accordingly
That sucks, but least you managed to sort it out
Didn't you forget to remove the blue sticker at the crown or they are now having blue accents?
I have the same movements in my Phylida Seamaster GMT and, even it is loud and wobbly, it has been accurate enough in the nearly 9 months I have owned it.
Let's see if Pagani releases a V2 with better QC
Yup, I did forget to remove the sticker. I pretty much always forget. They do have a v2 which is what I was supposed to get but honestly I don't know if I got the v1 or just a bad v2.
@@WesWatchRoom Then, let's hope they release a V3...
I have seen in Reddit their new Longines Homage only with the logo, no other branding in the dial, and no date window and it looks gorgeous.
I think they are going to increase the quality of their products, and possibly the price, and it is not a bad idea
@@nunyez5761 not seen that one yet. But sounds promising. I'll have to try and get one
@@nunyez5761 link to the Longines watch? Is it the Spirit model?
Let’s agree, it only cost ~100USD, so cheap. Looks good if you like the Tudor BB GMT and I like the fact that you credit the look to Tudor not PD. My experience, I had some money to burn in Amazon and needed a GMT for a EU trip so I order one. First pressions out of the box, looks cool but the lug edges are sharp on the underside and setting it sucks! GMT setting is touchy and push in the crown and the hands all jump!!! This is bad! Makes me not wear it no matter how much I like the look. So I bought a BB Pepsi GMT in Geneva at 39x the price. Worth it if you can afford it, one of the best in the world. I’ll give this to my nephew.
That's it, you get what you pay for. It's definitely not the best nor the worst thing out there. I'm sure your nephew will appreciate it. Thanks
If the screw turns, but doesn’t come out, then the treads are no good. So then just use a watch pin removal tool and press the screw out. Throw that link away and adjust and fit the bracelet to yourselves.
Thanks for the tip, unfortunately there isn't a hole at the other side to push it out.
@@WesWatchRoom OK, that’s to bad. For my 7inch wrist I normally remove 2+2 links on the BB bracelet. So if you have roughly the same size, maybe you can remove 3 from the broken side. The broken one being in the middle of the three. Then two from the OK side and fit one of the two back on the broken side?
@@hansakselos4636 My wrist is only 6 so I have to remove more which is a pain really. But others have provided tips so I might be able to test them and see which works,
@@WesWatchRoom 🙌 if nothing else work, use a angle grinder or metal saw and just cut of the 2 connecting links that are jammed. You have several new links to replace them with. 😀
@@hansakselos4636 that sounds like fun, might just try that anyway.
The only Pagani I own is their "Hulk" homage that I've owned for about 18 months. I must have been lucky as hell cos it had zero QC issues and even the Lume is really good. Like I say, just lucky I suppose. It cost me about £80 and for that sort of money, I'm chuffed with it. Do like the look of this one tbh..... Just not sure about the movement !!??
That's a really solid choice, as for the movement on this one it's a bit of an unknown quantity. It may be worth coming back to at some point and seeing if everything is still working okay.
Tbh if i want a GMT i want jumping hours. This version of a GMT can be very finicky to set. So it's more of gimmick than a feature imo.
That's a good point, but then again this is under £100 so can't squeeze everything in at that price
@@WesWatchRoom yeah very true, Pagani is hard to beat at this price point. Cheapest jumping hour GMT's start around 800 to 950 euro.
@@HRM.H that's expensive and appreciate you watching 👊
Great review Wes,it's a gamble for sure😬 not a model I'm excited about to be honest but I'm not really into GMT watches,just my buzz😀
Thanks man and yeah it really is. That's totally understandable, I get they're not for everyone
Hi Wes do you think you just bought this from a crap seller given the QC issues you’ve had with this watch?
If memory serves, I think I got it from the official store
Hi again Wes Corgeut do a GMT version of this watch as well. Do you think that might be worth a gamble? I think it’s on their official store but there’s no reviews for it on there and hardly anything about it on TH-cam. Their Black Bay homage was very good in my opinion.
Hey mate and it's certainly a gamble, especially with a chinese gmt movement as well. I'm not really sure to be fair.
the update of this version is still better, the numbers on bezel are thinner
Thanks for the info. Looks more like I have the v1 variant
I wished they 'd make a bigger 44mm version
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Bought PD 2769 all black.This is not watch.This is one "big issue".Not water resistant.After 30 days stopped working.Hommage Rolex-Hulk my second Pagani watch, thread on crown gone after one year not everyday use.Didn't tiden hard crown.Watches look good ,but quality of materials are not good at all.
Yeah this one does have a lot of problems for sure. Thanks for watching
It's a shame about the QC issues this watch looks great if you're not a watch geek like us hopefully you'll get the bracelet fixed so you can wear it looks good on the canvas strap
Yeah they do spoil an otherwise good watch. As for the bracelet I'll have to give fixing it a try.
@@WesWatchRoom yes they do almost spoil a good watch definitely let us know if you can fix it
@@watchsixto some things I might be able to, like the bracelet. But everything else I wouldn't know how
@@WesWatchRoom when in doubt youtube it 😆 🤣
@@watchsixto absolutely. It might make for a fun project
i don't know about these pagani. I get it when they have an NH35...a tried and tested movement that can be fixed by all watchmakers in the world. If this watch breaks you might as well throw it in the bin. nobody will be able to fix it. The design is cool though
That's absolutely true. Which is definitely why it's a bit of a gamble. If you want reliable then the nh35 is the way to go. Thanks for watching
Like to see comparison
Great, of which watches?
I picked one up during the 11-11 Sale & I regret it.
It was so bad I had to send it back for a full refund.
Yeah I can see that, this one is a real lottery
Glue the head of a screw driver to that screw, unscrew, problem solved. I'm not fantasising, tested it myself and worked great.
Great tip, what type of glue did you use?
I don't know about you, but these homage watches are starting to wear me out
A little bit yeah, but has more 😬. I'm trying to mix up the content so it's not just all homage watches
If you know how to use a GMT this would be a better review
That watch is an insult to the people that actually own a Tudor GMT
That's a fair point, but not everyone can afford a proper one so that's why these exist.