You can literally put it in the tiger 2 br and move up the br of the cold war vehicles to have less uptiers but they will not do that will they? Same with 11.0 ARB at this point.
@@albertogiavani75 no it shouldn't, just angle your turret, german players are just used to point and kill and when the challenge of angling appears they don't know how to do soo.
I do angle and it’s fun to watch 7.7 or 8.0 tanks come after me because they struggle and then when I get downteried it’s hell for them because they don’t know what to do
the PT is actually pretty balanced. It faces tanks that penetrate the same as it and, in a partial uptier, faces the M-51 which truly cannot be balanced. The Isherman is the pinnacle of the Israeli Tech Tree.
Yeah it annoying most people just dont know how to kill the maus because its so rare so they assume any lower then missiles heatfs and apds would be unfair when its really not most nations have a 6.3 that can kill the maus frontally excluding The USSR and China not at far ranges though if something can kill a heavy tank more than 1 br down its probably to high 7.0 would be to low though just because of how overpowered it would be even in a slight down tier
Well the problem is: you lower the br? Have fun trying to kill it with your apcr Increase the br? Have fun trying to survive for more than 5 seconds against guided bombs with your whooping 10km/h
@@SaraHeartlin the problem with he-heat shell if that's what you're talking about is that they're almost in every way outclassed by apcbc, aphe and apsfds rounds, so unless its the absolutely best choice no one uses them
The mouse has the same problem that almost every heavy tank in the game has, which is that it's very strong in downtiers and very bad in uptiers. I don't understand why this is the only tank where it seems to be such a big problem.
@@jonathandomke2049thats actually untrue because the original Erika was created as a german folk song before ww2 started, the army just picked it up as a way to keep the soldiers motivated
They just need to give a new battle rating to some of these hard to balance tanks. Maus at 7.5 would not meet 6.3, like it would if it were 7.3, but it wouldn’t meet 8.7. Same could be done for other hard to balance tanks like Kv-1E, B1-Ter, etc.
@@warthunderclipper It was just an example. Yeah the IS-2 can also pen the Maus. But my point is: People state that Maus would be broken on 6.7 but in reality there is so much HEAT-FS that can pen the Maus that it is utter nonsense
@@warthunderclipper being 6.7 would mean it could face 5.7 but there are some HEAT-FS tanks that could pen it and CAS is still a thing. But the way the game is currently are uptiers more the case than being on your own br or higher br's. That's actually why I support the idea of the Maus beeing 6.7 and improving the b.r up or downtiers and change it from +-1.0 to something else. But sadly is the War Thunder community domminated by Freeaboos/allied fan bois that want to keep shitting on Germany and therefore it won't happen. I mean I have the Maus myself and as much as I'd love to shit on 5.7 players do I know that would ruin their fun and I agree that Germany can't be that broken but due to the Powercreep and HEAT-FS tanks are german heavies not so much fun anymore. They can have their moments sure but it's not as fun as it used to. That's why I say Germany could need a bit of love but as soon as you say that do you get called as German main (which is true since it's my own nation and the one I started with and have the most progress on) and get made fun off. Which is sad in my honest oppinion but I know that I'm alone with that
The main reason it's at 7.7 is because nothing at 6.3 can really counter it. The US 90 outside of the m36b2 isn't gonna do much, the bulldog might but it doesn't have heatfs like the german one, the is2 isn't gonna do a whole lot in a lot of cases, and similar Russian tanks, Brittain would probably have the easiest time with the Charioteer
Nah, if you want something that should drop its the t32 and t32e1, their reload is too long and their armor not good enough to be higher than stuff at the same br. T32 at 7.0 with the is3 is fine, and the e1 at 7.3 because the only difference is a better front plate
@DatBoi TheGudBIAS When do you get a downtier in general is the better question. I don't even have the maus, and can play just about anything and still be a cas magnet. I get bombed or strafed at least once a game if not multiple times no matter the br or tank, my friends can testify to that
If you’re dying to ATGMs your awareness and positioning are probably beyond bad. You can only fire them completely stopped and it takes literal seconds to guide them in meaning the enemy had line of sight of you for again literal seconds without you noticing them, because if you were to see each other at the same time, hell even if they see you first by a small margin you should be able to kill them in the time the ATGM is in flight. Also machine guns can take out ATGMs mid flight although that shouldn’t be your main priority as it’s unreliable.
@@BladezAndrew you talk like you have time. Do this taking fire from the wole team or whitout a termal and anti laser warning. You dont even have the maus i bet
@@SaraHeartlin lmao you do have time? If we're talking about the Maus especially the thing is so slow it's basically like it has a stabilizer. if someone is in a missile carrier or IFV they have to come to a complete stop and be stopped for like at least half a second before firing again needing literal seconds to guide it towards you in which at any point you shoot at them and kill them (which you will if you're using the correct 128mm APHE shell. DO NOT use the 88mm APDSHE shell it doesn't overpressure or have overmatch like the full caliber 128mm ones do) it will 1 shot them every time doesn't even care if you hit engine or transmission most times. You can always bait people with the 75mm, which also overpressures open tops. Also make sure you dont take too much ammo and dont expose the left side as thats where your 128mm ammo is . I do have the Maus and i have like over a 10.0+KD with it it's easily the most OP vehicles in the game granted i only played 5 games in it. I basically refuse to use it because it's so boring and op though If you're really having that much trouble using it just make a full lineup of 7.7 and only take it out during downtiers. I really dont think you should even need to do that, another thing would be using a custom sight that gives the BDC of the 75mm which is another thing that i didn't even do either but objectively you probably should. I would also recommend taking it on maps that you know are easy to get bombed on and dont completely stay still the entire game
@@SaraHeartlin i also forgot to mention that neutral steering in the Maus is really slow and you should have a keybinding for switching to manual gears to turn in either 5th or 6th gear depending on engine upgrades or surface your on
@@BladezAndrew at first I was a little skeptical of some of what you are saying, and I do think you are way exaggerating how easy it is for Maus to defeat ATGM. What if you aren't looking towards the enemy that pops out at you, how will you kill it before atgm then? But if you are good enough to be manually selecting optimal gears for neutral turning, then maybe you are right about maus.
The problem is if you move it down, it’ll become overpowered with its armour. The Maus sits at that point where most armor can be overcome with modern projectiles. But if you move it down, standard shells won’t be able to even scratch its front end. It’s not too bad if you use it correctly.
7.3 Maus seems like a fine idea until you realize that pretty much everything that isint a heat slinging light will be completely hopeless against it, some of the 6.3s cant even pen its sides. Heavy tank syndrome at its worst
I managed to unlock the maus ages ago, had a few fun matches with it, then like a week after that they introduced HEAT-FS and it's been collecting dust in the corner ever since. Then later I opened the IS-3 and now that too is in the dust corner.
@redghost9227 there goes the wehraboos getting baited. Yeah, just put the tiger to fight with the earliest M4A1 sherman bcs it is realistic and era matters much than a 'balanced' game even though war thunder isn't even balanced anyway. I played this game for too long that i know every goddamn characteristic of the players, and there this type who always complains abt era, they always grudges and says arrgh this game isn't realistic enough, german has the most op tanks in ww2, why am i getting spanked by HEATFS😤✊️
@@TonnyH21 but maus does suck when it fully uptiers it's just hopeless I've seen maus get oblirated from 3 km away by apfs ds from a cold war tank that has stabilizer and Lazer rangefinder
I remember the good days of the tiger being 6.0 and it wasn’t absolutely impossible to kill when you got uptiered against it. Now rip everyone in their 4.3 full uptiered as they get an impossible enemy to face All becuase wehraboos cried hard enough
If u need atgms to kill a Maus, u have skill issue. Every tank at its br and even lower, like 7.0, have shells Dat pen Maus from the side and even front
I agree, but that's a lie. Like half, if not more of the 6.7 tanks can pen Maus in the side. It has 100 or 120mm of armor at the lower side and 150 or 180mm at the upper side, and like 150 in the turret side. In that lower side plate, even a t34 85 kills a Maus at close range
@@Dymolius bro, the is3 can literally only kill the Maus at perfect conditions (point blank, 0 ⁰ angle at the sides) and the Ikv is 103 is a fucking piece of shit that will never even get its gun on target before being obliterated
In maus ive personally experienced a Bradley's and bmp1 misslile doing absolutely nothing to me except sometimes causing fire and sometimes deflecting completely!😅😅
BR's and what the tank is versing is also based on who it actually *would've fought* if it were actually used, so most of those anti tanks and rockets are made when the maus was made too.
7.3 or 7.0 would work so much better for the Maus. Sure you’ll still face a lot of first Gen MBTs but you won’t get upriered as often or have to face shit from the 80s
@@Clb9000ok and you will always face things you can't frontal pen shoot its gun and tracks and move on or wait for a teammate with a good gun what would you do if you faced a tiger 2 h and it was far away?
A 0.3 BR reduction won't do very much, and people will say "Uh! UH! I cAn'T pEn ThE mAuS wHeN aLL i GoT iS cOnVeNtIoNaL sHeLLs!" Track and barrel bully it. If you do this continually, then the enemy team now essentially has a paperweight for a teammate. Bonus points if you can set it on fire.
Can you imagine the screaming and weeping of German mains if any other faction got a tank at a BR where the justification was "just bully it hurrr durr"
A smart Maus player can give a lot of tanks a run for their money, probables is German mains don’t understand that armor should be used as a last resort because it it very much situational. I was a in a T55 AMD1 and the maus player gave my team real hard time because he was angled and taking cover making it hard to hit and was smart on when to drive out of cover and fire and when to wait. A smart maus player is a scary one
@@Mango-jr1pbyeah I’m at 6.7 German and very rarely I get full up tiered and see a maus and I like it like that, just face it the maus is un balance-able
they would never do that. The problem is heavies suffer the most in games like these especially in 6.0 to 8.0. they either get up tiered fully or down-tiered and still die. This is due to their slow speeds of course at the trade off of armor. But the armor part now a days is completely useless. I am a advent heavy player and it’s just pain. Instead of actually outsmarting or out maneuvering the enemy heavy player. It’s just point and click with heatfs and win. Even in a down-tier this is not to mention the rockets in 7.0/8.0 you face constantly.
Reduce to 6.7, or better yet 6.3. make it accurate to the time period. Make it difficult to kill. That was the when fucking point. Or at least make a game mode where it is tanks from a specific year of high activity, vs tanks of the same years.
i dont see any accurate timeline 10 maus marching cap point a that how i remember few week ago when 10 maus marching for a cap point that wasnt good match for us
A) that won’t necessarily solve the ATGM problems B) this will cause HUGE problems for other vehicles at 6.7, especially ones at 5.7 C) at this point the Maus is a meme vehicle, only played by people because it’s the Maus, not because it’s competitive
I am one of the original maus owners (before they removed it). The day heat was introduced was the day the maus was killed. Hell, i remember when heat was super rare and it cost 1000 lions per round of heat. The whole reason they removed it was because the tank was too OP for lower br and too shit for higher, hence they removed it. It lowkey upsets me seeing them keep putting it up for research because the maus use to be a rare tank. Now everyone and their mom has it.
The problem is with the Maus, which f they lower the BR, it’ll run over anything else in the match, if they leave it where it’s at, it’s gets run over. There’s no sweet spot
1. Everything else has to face the same ammunition types. The Maus would be on a nearly unstoppable rampage if it didn’t, and that wouldn’t be much fun for anybody, even the Maus player; over time, simply dominating without any risk is not fun. 2. Missiles are just guided HEAT. Some do have ridiculously high penetration values (Shturm-S, for example). The Maus can usually survive a missile, and depending on what were hit, look at the launcher and delete it (if it didn’t move or is in the open). 3. There will always be massive bombs, no BR is safe from them. One never has, and as long as the current CAS system remains, there never will be.
All 3 of these, are the exact reason why my Muas only has parts and fpe. With the added reason of you finally reaching a fight to find all your teammates dead or already in the enemy spawn double the distance of said fight
It's perfectly fine in that position, tbh. It would at least teach germans to not rely heavily on armor to save their hides and get punished for doing so in higher BRs. Game needs to raise more competent germans.
I play War Thunder on Xbox one and it’s an absolute pain for me to progress because I have to use golden eagles to boost research, but I don’t have any, so would I have to buy them but I can’t, and I’ve seen other people using silver Lions to research the tanks which is confusing as hell why I have to use Golden Eagles and everyone else can use silver Lions to research stuff!
@@ComeAndTakeIt9235 the Abrams is fast enough to avoid getting his cannon destroyed, also smaller caliber weapons cannot destroy some cannons, just damaging them, but not destroying, but in 7.0 or 6.8 there are enough op tanks to kill the maus
Even at 7.3 it will still be dinner for BMP-1, T-54 1949, all the APDS slinging Brits, the M-46 etc. Yet any lower and it becomes almost invincible when not uptiered. This is one of the cases where I think Gaijin made the right call. This thing is impossible to balance.
Everyone this is a meme video don't take it seriously xD
Wait wait wait...
You got a point but flipped it around.
The Maus shouldn't go down but everything else should go up
@@guppiapfeljustleopardthing8756 yea this stuff is be compression, all tanks suffer from it
Wait, you acctually made a point
But itd True. I know what am telling i have Maus too
@@guppiapfeljustleopardthing8756 yez
Ok let’s be honest, the Maus should be 1.0 or 12.0
Fun fact: no tanks in WT are 12.0 lol, the max is 11.3
Edit: sorry max is actually 11.7 with the German FlakRakRad and other tanks
Thought they were making new br ranges or is that just top tier jets?
Man the tanks at 1.0 also have apds so its should be like 0.1
new game mode: juggernaut
@@-Muri- wich tanks have apds
The Maus is THE example of the heavy tank problem being basically useless in an uptire, but all but unstoppable in downtiers
Well it is a super heavy, so it has super versions of the upsides and downsides of a heavy tank
This is the reason they removed the Maus from War Thunder though, isn't it? It was removed cause it couldnt be balanced
No, it’s just a limited time item that comes around during their anniversary
@@stuuuukkkkaaaa4823 that was removed from the tech tree because it could not be balanced
Nah thats just what they are saying they are just to lazy
You can literally put it in the tiger 2 br and move up the br of the cold war vehicles to have less uptiers but they will not do that will they? Same with 11.0 ARB at this point.
Yeah because if its too high in br then the problems stated in the video occur, but if they put it lower then almost nothing can counter it
7.7 its the only fair br for maus, it either get destroyed at uptier or destroy everyone at downtier
220mm flat turret front says hi it should be 7.0
@@albertogiavani75 There Is No Such BR As 7.0
@@Omega-vh8cy yes there is lol.
@@albertogiavani75 no it shouldn't, just angle your turret, german players are just used to point and kill and when the challenge of angling appears they don't know how to do soo.
I do angle and it’s fun to watch 7.7 or 8.0 tanks come after me because they struggle and then when I get downteried it’s hell for them because they don’t know what to do
the pt-76 at 5.0: ☕️🗿
I think its 5.3 now
@@Peronet781 its always been 5.3
@@Peronet781 not much difference in br lol
the PT is actually pretty balanced. It faces tanks that penetrate the same as it and, in a partial uptier, faces the M-51 which truly cannot be balanced. The Isherman is the pinnacle of the Israeli Tech Tree.
@@odinthegenericproto7075 no, near to nothing
Gaijin: actually listens and puts it in a lower br.
Random M22: why there maus in my tier
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If its at a lower BR it will face things that can barely pen the side armour at 0 degrees 10 meters away…
Ikv103 on 4.7-5.0? Hmm so yea it can be penned by lower br tanks
@@Dymolius yeah, one lower br tank that can pen it, can you point out one for each country?
T44 has no chance br 6.7
Lol my type 60 rifled has something to say with its 4 Maus kills, most 6.7s can pen it frontally if you use heatFS
@@alexzen5 Ah yes, the IS-2, The T-(some American WW2 heavy), my favourite HEAT-FS slingers
People complain that it would be impossible to kill and then roll around in the doom turtle
Yeah it annoying most people just dont know how to kill the maus because its so rare so they assume any lower then missiles heatfs and apds would be unfair when its really not most nations have a 6.3 that can kill the maus frontally excluding The USSR and China not at far ranges though if something can kill a heavy tank more than 1 br down its probably to high 7.0 would be to low though just because of how overpowered it would be even in a slight down tier
@@calebmcallister4289 it could ALMOST work at 7.3
@@ixxxxxxx it would be fine at 7.3
@@ixxxxxxx well it just gets bombed in a full downtier anyway
I say from experience
@@ixxxxxxx it's just very rare so people dont know where to aim to destroy it
This guy makes the best cinematics too!
Maus should be considered a post war tank and suffer as all the post war tank does since its projected introduction time would be past 1945.
„But its only balanced there!“
Just spawn CAS lmao
Gaijin: best we can do is 9.0, take it or leave it.
Imagine Maus in 1.0 as april fools joke 💀
“You got mail, about 8000 pounds of it to be exact.” 💀
No close too 24000 pounds seeing 2 12k near it
Well the problem is:
you lower the br?
Have fun trying to kill it with your apcr
Increase the br?
Have fun trying to survive for more than 5 seconds against guided bombs with your whooping 10km/h
Should be 8.7
No one use hitfs? The hell is wrong whit the m-51 that no one Remember about them?
@@SaraHeartlin the problem with he-heat shell if that's what you're talking about is that they're almost in every way outclassed by apcbc, aphe and apsfds rounds, so unless its the absolutely best choice no one uses them
@@SaraHeartlin the only tanks of lower BR that can pen a maus are the M-51 and some of the HEAT slnging swedish meme tanks
@@MirrorBusta2nduh Italy France the us Germany all get heat fs at 5.3
A WW2 tonk facing cold war tonks well that's fun 😑
How the Hell did i get this many likes
Thanks i guess
Hey we have the same profile pic :D
the snail giveths and the snail takeths
@@tigerii9490 Jawohl
@@tigerii9490 how are you my fellow Königstiger
@@WAKIZASHI158 Great, still standin
Maus: Joins match
Italy user: hi
Luftwaffe pilot: why are there so many b17s
Ground personell: maus
Pilot:😮💨
Conquerer and it’s railgun:Loads with malicious intent
do like this video but on obj 279
That’s be actually a good one to do
The mouse has the same problem that almost every heavy tank in the game has, which is that it's very strong in downtiers and very bad in uptiers. I don't understand why this is the only tank where it seems to be such a big problem.
german ww2 drip💀💀💀💀💀
whats that song???
Search up “Erika Hardbass”
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It‘s a german army song and is still played by the german Military, though it‘s often accocciated with WW2
Erika canoneer remix
@@jonathandomke2049thats actually untrue because the original Erika was created as a german folk song before ww2 started, the army just picked it up as a way to keep the soldiers motivated
They just need to give a new battle rating to some of these hard to balance tanks. Maus at 7.5 would not meet 6.3, like it would if it were 7.3, but it wouldn’t meet 8.7. Same could be done for other hard to balance tanks like Kv-1E, B1-Ter, etc.
No matter what tier it is at m-51 can still pin it anywhere
Maus at the End : "I'm only Mouse after all" 😂
Driving the maus to the battlefield peacefully* hearing 2 bomber planes and 3 strike aircraft flying towards you: ahh sheet.
me wanting to combat a maus with a hellcat
The reason it faces HEAT is cause nothing else can pen it 💀
IS-3, IS-4, T29, T30, T34, T95? Just to name a few. Also already at 6.7 are some annoying heat-fs loosers like the M56 for an example
@@BrokenAngelWingsyou don’t need HEAT or HEATFS I killed a maus with APHEBC (BR471B) using the IS-2 (1944)
@@warthunderclipper It was just an example. Yeah the IS-2 can also pen the Maus. But my point is: People state that Maus would be broken on 6.7 but in reality there is so much HEAT-FS that can pen the Maus that it is utter nonsense
@@BrokenAngelWings yeah I mean it could be broken if it was 5.7 or something but 7.7 isn’t good for it
@@warthunderclipper being 6.7 would mean it could face 5.7 but there are some HEAT-FS tanks that could pen it and CAS is still a thing. But the way the game is currently are uptiers more the case than being on your own br or higher br's. That's actually why I support the idea of the Maus beeing 6.7 and improving the b.r up or downtiers and change it from +-1.0 to something else. But sadly is the War Thunder community domminated by Freeaboos/allied fan bois that want to keep shitting on Germany and therefore it won't happen. I mean I have the Maus myself and as much as I'd love to shit on 5.7 players do I know that would ruin their fun and I agree that Germany can't be that broken but due to the Powercreep and HEAT-FS tanks are german heavies not so much fun anymore. They can have their moments sure but it's not as fun as it used to. That's why I say Germany could need a bit of love but as soon as you say that do you get called as German main (which is true since it's my own nation and the one I started with and have the most progress on) and get made fun off. Which is sad in my honest oppinion but I know that I'm alone with that
The main reason it's at 7.7 is because nothing at 6.3 can really counter it. The US 90 outside of the m36b2 isn't gonna do much, the bulldog might but it doesn't have heatfs like the german one, the is2 isn't gonna do a whole lot in a lot of cases, and similar Russian tanks, Brittain would probably have the easiest time with the Charioteer
Nah, if you want something that should drop its the t32 and t32e1, their reload is too long and their armor not good enough to be higher than stuff at the same br. T32 at 7.0 with the is3 is fine, and the e1 at 7.3 because the only difference is a better front plate
But when do u get a downtier eith the Maus? That's my only problem, that and CAS. I can't get a downtier
@DatBoi TheGudBIAS When do you get a downtier in general is the better question. I don't even have the maus, and can play just about anything and still be a cas magnet. I get bombed or strafed at least once a game if not multiple times no matter the br or tank, my friends can testify to that
It's almost as if it was removed from the game because of how hard it was to balance
Bro really erased that Maus
In 2016 it was perfectly balanced. Then they added atgms and broken tanks and destroyed whole War Thunder.
If you’re dying to ATGMs your awareness and positioning are probably beyond bad. You can only fire them completely stopped and it takes literal seconds to guide them in meaning the enemy had line of sight of you for again literal seconds without you noticing them, because if you were to see each other at the same time, hell even if they see you first by a small margin you should be able to kill them in the time the ATGM is in flight. Also machine guns can take out ATGMs mid flight although that shouldn’t be your main priority as it’s unreliable.
@@BladezAndrew you talk like you have time. Do this taking fire from the wole team or whitout a termal and anti laser warning. You dont even have the maus i bet
@@SaraHeartlin lmao you do have time? If we're talking about the Maus especially the thing is so slow it's basically like it has a stabilizer. if someone is in a missile carrier or IFV they have to come to a complete stop and be stopped for like at least half a second before firing again needing literal seconds to guide it towards you in which at any point you shoot at them and kill them (which you will if you're using the correct 128mm APHE shell. DO NOT use the 88mm APDSHE shell it doesn't overpressure or have overmatch like the full caliber 128mm ones do) it will 1 shot them every time doesn't even care if you hit engine or transmission most times. You can always bait people with the 75mm, which also overpressures open tops. Also make sure you dont take too much ammo and dont expose the left side as thats where your 128mm ammo is . I do have the Maus and i have like over a 10.0+KD with it it's easily the most OP vehicles in the game granted i only played 5 games in it. I basically refuse to use it because it's so boring and op though
If you're really having that much trouble using it just make a full lineup of 7.7 and only take it out during downtiers. I really dont think you should even need to do that, another thing would be using a custom sight that gives the BDC of the 75mm which is another thing that i didn't even do either but objectively you probably should. I would also recommend taking it on maps that you know are easy to get bombed on and dont completely stay still the entire game
@@SaraHeartlin i also forgot to mention that neutral steering in the Maus is really slow and you should have a keybinding for switching to manual gears to turn in either 5th or 6th gear depending on engine upgrades or surface your on
@@BladezAndrew at first I was a little skeptical of some of what you are saying, and I do think you are way exaggerating how easy it is for Maus to defeat ATGM. What if you aren't looking towards the enemy that pops out at you, how will you kill it before atgm then?
But if you are good enough to be manually selecting optimal gears for neutral turning, then maybe you are right about maus.
It faces those rounds cause thwwy thww only things that can kill it. Things terrifying when you just have solid shot
The problem is if you move it down, it’ll become overpowered with its armour.
The Maus sits at that point where most armor can be overcome with modern projectiles.
But if you move it down, standard shells won’t be able to even scratch its front end.
It’s not too bad if you use it correctly.
Poor maus it needs a chance
"Noooo why can't I just play a stupidly OP tank that didn't even work irl against WW2 tanks!!!"
Because it was destroyed by CAS just like the game fool
It never saw combat, but if it WORKED it would have been devastating till it broke down again. Just like the tiger. It was great, till it broke down
It was tested and it actually worked, research a little.
@@AllMightyKingBowser yea. 12 mph forward AND back at 188 tons. Damn thing was a beast.. imagine if there WASNT air support
@@AllMightyKingBowserworked like your relationship with your dad... Non existent
7.3 Maus seems like a fine idea until you realize that pretty much everything that isint a heat slinging light will be completely hopeless against it, some of the 6.3s cant even pen its sides.
Heavy tank syndrome at its worst
I managed to unlock the maus ages ago, had a few fun matches with it, then like a week after that they introduced HEAT-FS and it's been collecting dust in the corner ever since. Then later I opened the IS-3 and now that too is in the dust corner.
Imagine you get fully up-tiered in a 76 jumbo and see a maus
The 76 Jumbo needs a full downtier.
@@TJ042 I agree. But it's annoying when they put bushes on the mg port.
Though I really wanna see German mains cry so yeah I support a downtier
@@gnas1897 Panther’s can just center mass it anyways.
@@TJ042Close range only, and that is only if the jumbo just sits straight on.
@@aquadox5514 protection analysis at 500m range allows for a fair bit on angling before the Jumbo is safe.
Maus being at 7.7 br is like bringing a knife to a gun fight
The Maus can even be penned from the front by most APHE it faces
🚨GERMANY MAIN DETECTED🚨GERMANY MAIN DETECTED🚨
Daily wehraboos rant about brs be like:
hmm yes a ww2 tank facing off a modern tank truly fair
@redghost9227 there goes the wehraboos getting baited. Yeah, just put the tiger to fight with the earliest M4A1 sherman bcs it is realistic and era matters much than a 'balanced' game even though war thunder isn't even balanced anyway. I played this game for too long that i know every goddamn characteristic of the players, and there this type who always complains abt era, they always grudges and says arrgh this game isn't realistic enough, german has the most op tanks in ww2, why am i getting spanked by HEATFS😤✊️
@@TonnyH21 but maus does suck when it fully uptiers it's just hopeless I've seen maus get oblirated from 3 km away by apfs ds from a cold war tank that has stabilizer and Lazer rangefinder
I remember the good days of the tiger being 6.0 and it wasn’t absolutely impossible to kill when you got uptiered against it.
Now rip everyone in their 4.3 full uptiered as they get an impossible enemy to face
All becuase wehraboos cried hard enough
@@ahuman7199 Same goes for the jumbo
I’m sorry to be that guy, but if you got skill/patience, you can do well in it, besides, if it got a single BR lower, it would be fighting 76 jumbo…
ik its a fun/good vehicle if u know how to play it this is just a meme video for people who dont know how to play it
I need to know how u get downtiers in 7.7. I literally am unable to. Either I get 8.0 or 8.3 or 8.7
with this kind of thinking... Gaijin pls move the churchill VII to 3.0
Bro Maus will be op if it isnt at its br as without ATGMs the Maus will kill everything
If u need atgms to kill a Maus, u have skill issue. Every tank at its br and even lower, like 7.0, have shells Dat pen Maus from the side and even front
The thing is that not many tanks can kill this thing at any BR below 7.0, so it would be better to stay where it is
I agree, but that's a lie. Like half, if not more of the 6.7 tanks can pen Maus in the side.
It has 100 or 120mm of armor at the lower side and 150 or 180mm at the upper side, and like 150 in the turret side.
In that lower side plate, even a t34 85 kills a Maus at close range
@@DatBoi_TheGudBIAS at the perfect conditions....... which will never Happen in a Real battle
Bro i saw videos of l3s killing a maus so u are lying and btw the ikv103 on 4.3-5.0 exists
@@Dymolius bro, the is3 can literally only kill the Maus at perfect conditions (point blank, 0 ⁰ angle at the sides) and the Ikv is 103 is a fucking piece of shit that will never even get its gun on target before being obliterated
@@Q...........-who said anything about needing a little skill to kill it like anything else in this game wow that's hard to think about
In maus ive personally experienced a Bradley's and bmp1 misslile doing absolutely nothing to me except sometimes causing fire and sometimes deflecting completely!😅😅
Bro as a US main at 6.3 in an injured M109A1 I hit the main barrel and got taken out by his secondary gun
When israeli aircraft evolution?
In future I'll make it
How do you even get skins for that maus
its custom skin from wtlive
BR's and what the tank is versing is also based on who it actually *would've fought* if it were actually used, so most of those anti tanks and rockets are made when the maus was made too.
Maus feels like there's no Inbetween.
Either It completely Destroy lower BR or It will get destroyed by Higher BR.
“Three reasons we should be able to terrorize newer players” 👹
Skill issue
7.3 or 7.0 would work so much better for the Maus. Sure you’ll still face a lot of first Gen MBTs but you won’t get upriered as often or have to face shit from the 80s
Only issue with that is it will face the jumbo and a lot of 76mm shells that can't pen it
7.0 💀💀💀 Germany players are a different breed
@@Clb9000ok and you will always face things you can't frontal pen shoot its gun and tracks and move on or wait for a teammate with a good gun what would you do if you faced a tiger 2 h and it was far away?
Ratel 20 with MILAN at 6.7
"Who me?, hheheh just hangin around"
1 downtime and it basically becomes invincible
gaijin is basically ignoring the maus br problem while the maus getting rapid barrage by APFSDS and ATGMs no maus were harmed in this short
A 0.3 BR reduction won't do very much, and people will say "Uh! UH! I cAn'T pEn ThE mAuS wHeN aLL i GoT iS cOnVeNtIoNaL sHeLLs!" Track and barrel bully it. If you do this continually, then the enemy team now essentially has a paperweight for a teammate. Bonus points if you can set it on fire.
it's a 0.4 br reduction
Can you imagine the screaming and weeping of German mains if any other faction got a tank at a BR where the justification was "just bully it hurrr durr"
@@outrageoussharpie4107 The Abrams could go to 1.0 because most tanks there can destroy it's barrel and tracks, manking it useless.
I agree, the IS-7 should also go down to 7.0 because you can just shoot it's track and barrel
@@reimuhakurei2208 Nay
The funny thing is that the bmp2 which is 8.3 or something still can't reliably pen it with the atgm
If you angle the Maus just enough it can tank a few missiles.
Good reason
There are so many heavy tanks that need to get a lower BR
Lower BR? hek no!
I facing damn 5 maus in one battle forming great wall of china in the middle of B point while using US 7.7 is way to painful
A smart Maus player can give a lot of tanks a run for their money, probables is German mains don’t understand that armor should be used as a last resort because it it very much situational. I was a in a T55 AMD1 and the maus player gave my team real hard time because he was angled and taking cover making it hard to hit and was smart on when to drive out of cover and fire and when to wait. A smart maus player is a scary one
At least make it 7.7 or 8.0
It should be below 7.3. Just because of BMP1, MarderA1 and Bradley
@@Mango-jr1pbyeah I’m at 6.7 German and very rarely I get full up tiered and see a maus and I like it like that, just face it the maus is un balance-able
Bruh 💀 skill issue.
U demand Maus at 8.0, are u OK?
It is 7.7 and it could be 7.3
@@DatBoi_TheGudBIASthe 76 jumbo should not be fighting that thing
let be honest...the Maus should be place at 7.3
6.3 tank see maus 💀💀
enemy player : "SHIT-"
@@genjinoobnoobman9950 ☠️
T95 in 6.3 then wtf
they would never do that. The problem is heavies suffer the most in games like these especially in 6.0 to 8.0. they either get up tiered fully or down-tiered and still die. This is due to their slow speeds of course at the trade off of armor. But the armor part now a days is completely useless. I am a advent heavy player and it’s just pain. Instead of actually outsmarting or out maneuvering the enemy heavy player. It’s just point and click with heatfs and win. Even in a down-tier this is not to mention the rockets in 7.0/8.0 you face constantly.
I can confirm this as i am a maus owner too
Maus needs 6.7 at most. I’m tired of going against apfsds and even m3 bradleys
Fuck no, 7.0-7.3 at best
If you dont like it dont play it, using your logic the IS-3 should be 5.7 because “waa waa APFSDS waa waa”
Reduce to 6.7, or better yet 6.3. make it accurate to the time period. Make it difficult to kill. That was the when fucking point. Or at least make a game mode where it is tanks from a specific year of high activity, vs tanks of the same years.
i dont see any accurate timeline 10 maus marching cap point a
that how i remember few week ago when 10 maus marching for a cap point that wasnt good match for us
Thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard the maus would be way to op at 6.3
Add reliability issues too and metal quality
The last one with the song made me die 😂
6.7 should be it’s br
Too low because it will be going against things like later Sherman’s and stuff
A) that won’t necessarily solve the ATGM problems
B) this will cause HUGE problems for other vehicles at 6.7, especially ones at 5.7
C) at this point the Maus is a meme vehicle, only played by people because it’s the Maus, not because it’s competitive
@@TakenWithout i am playing it cuz its Fun and actually its good not bcz its a Maus
@@conqueror7039fair enough
Bro what are you on? The fuck is a T-34-85 gonna do to a maus
naw you just want your tank that no one else can get anymore to be impervious
I am one of the original maus owners (before they removed it). The day heat was introduced was the day the maus was killed. Hell, i remember when heat was super rare and it cost 1000 lions per round of heat. The whole reason they removed it was because the tank was too OP for lower br and too shit for higher, hence they removed it. It lowkey upsets me seeing them keep putting it up for research because the maus use to be a rare tank. Now everyone and their mom has it.
The problem is with the Maus, which f they lower the BR, it’ll run over anything else in the match, if they leave it where it’s at, it’s gets run over. There’s no sweet spot
Imagine playing as an italian ww2 tank and seeing a MAUS It would be a literal bossfight
1. Everything else has to face the same ammunition types. The Maus would be on a nearly unstoppable rampage if it didn’t, and that wouldn’t be much fun for anybody, even the Maus player; over time, simply dominating without any risk is not fun.
2. Missiles are just guided HEAT. Some do have ridiculously high penetration values (Shturm-S, for example). The Maus can usually survive a missile, and depending on what were hit, look at the launcher and delete it (if it didn’t move or is in the open).
3. There will always be massive bombs, no BR is safe from them. One never has, and as long as the current CAS system remains, there never will be.
All 3 of these, are the exact reason why my Muas only has parts and fpe. With the added reason of you finally reaching a fight to find all your teammates dead or already in the enemy spawn double the distance of said fight
"Maus chan"
Now thats cute.
Reseter skins looks cool as fuck
Oh no now they are putting it at 2.7
Pov: when ur tired being a Maus then quiting
All ww2 era tanks who have to fight with modern tanks deserve to get a lower br
It's perfectly fine in that position, tbh. It would at least teach germans to not rely heavily on armor to save their hides and get punished for doing so in higher BRs. Game needs to raise more competent germans.
I play War Thunder on Xbox one and it’s an absolute pain for me to progress because I have to use golden eagles to boost research, but I don’t have any, so would I have to buy them but I can’t, and I’ve seen other people using silver Lions to research the tanks which is confusing as hell why I have to use Golden Eagles and everyone else can use silver Lions to research stuff!
Those are the exact reasons why it doesn't get lowered, if it did then it would face none of those, or at least not enough of them to make it balanced
I actually agree. Maus is so slow and massive for its time that it has to face cold war tanks where everybody can pierce it without compensation
The maus at 5.0: 💣
That’s-why they never used the Maus.
Chonky boi is so cute.
"the maus will be op in lower BR🤓😭"
**Destroys the Cannon and goes for the second🗿**
How do you plan on actually killing it without cas tho??
@@opchickenwing8989 with *skill*
And a well placed aphe, or ap, or Apds, or anything
@@DatBoi_TheGudBIASMany tanks can quite literally just NOT pen it.
Ok so a abrams should be at 2.0?
@@ComeAndTakeIt9235 the Abrams is fast enough to avoid getting his cannon destroyed, also smaller caliber weapons cannot destroy some cannons, just damaging them, but not destroying, but in 7.0 or 6.8 there are enough op tanks to kill the maus
Even at 7.3 it will still be dinner for BMP-1, T-54 1949, all the APDS slinging Brits, the M-46 etc.
Yet any lower and it becomes almost invincible when not uptiered.
This is one of the cases where I think Gaijin made the right call. This thing is impossible to balance.
Alternative title: 3 Reasons every tank deserves a lower br
Bro it should be in 1.0 for to be playable
The same feeling when you reach rank 5 and start hating the mouse(Besides, when you play for the Germans)
Maus: it can't be balanced let's removed it from tha game
Ratel 20: ATGM on 6.7? Why not it will destroy everything on it's BR but let's do it
Ratel 20 be like:
- Mmmm, Maus... tastyyyyyy!