The Cholesterol Test You Should Be Getting

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  • @robertpulsin2111
    @robertpulsin2111 3 ปีที่แล้ว +323

    Try getting your doctor to do any of these tests. My doctor has almost thrown me out of the office for it.

    • @evab2132
      @evab2132 3 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      Scientific studies proving, people with high cholesterol, but good ratio, lipoprotein( a) live beyond 90. Most recently realy accomplished cardiologists, look at not total cholesterol/ HDL but triglycerides/HDL., plus insulin resistance, homocysteine, lipoprotein (a) , C reactive protein as a indicators for CVD.
      Statins tremendously damaging mitochondria, killing Q10, in long term contributing to early dementia ,depression, etc. 25% of your cholesterol is in the brain.

    • @fatbikemontage2931
      @fatbikemontage2931 3 ปีที่แล้ว +53

      Time to get a new doctor. If they won’t run the correct test, then they are not truly interested in your risk of CHD and CVD and other financial benefits are at play. I would expect many doctors to be unfamiliar with the particle test, but they should at least educate themselves.

    • @Aura-us7jl
      @Aura-us7jl 3 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      Throw your doctor out... get a new one!!!

    • @milicamarshastefanovich3312
      @milicamarshastefanovich3312 3 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      Robert, I’m with you. My doctor at Kaiser, thinks I’m nuts for asking about these tests. They don’t know about them, nor do they offer them.

    • @robertpulsin2111
      @robertpulsin2111 3 ปีที่แล้ว +61

      @@milicamarshastefanovich3312 yeah, and she wanted to put me on a Statin, and I told her the only way I would consider a Statin is if we have these tests done first. But of course I probably wouldn't even do it then. :-) When I took up fasting three months ago, she told me she's not on board with these Fad diets! I'm off two blood pressure medications oh, I feel GREAT. I look a lot better.

  • @kristineb3671
    @kristineb3671 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Thank you…this is very encouraging. I left my dr’s office yesterday with prescriptions for blood pressure and cholesterol. At 70, i have never had the need for these before. My dr kept stressing “genetics, genetics, genetics”. HDL 62, LDL 136, Triglycerides 98, BPressure 135/80…I am going to put these meds aside, eat better, lose some weight and move more…AND request the Cardio ID…I am overwhelmingly grateful Dr Hyman…I started your Gut Health about 2 weeks ago. 😊

    • @racegts
      @racegts 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You have a better plan. You’ll do fine. Now…. FIRE that “Dr”

  • @BigPictureYT
    @BigPictureYT 2 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    An even better metaphor is boats and cargo. The cholesterol is the cargo. The boats are the particle size. You can have a few big boats or many small boats. The small boats can get into places, like the arteries, that big boats cannot enter.

    • @robyn3349
      @robyn3349 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes, I don't like the 'dirt' comparison. Rather pejorative.

    • @Cfass1
      @Cfass1 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Freaking Catalina Wine mixer

  • @lawrenceforsley3411
    @lawrenceforsley3411 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Conventional medicine is very frustrating in this country. At the age of 60 I have optimal triglycerides (43) and HDL (69) but slightly elevated LDL (110). I am an extremely active CF athlete with an above average resting heart rate and very low body fat % and eat a very healthy diet yet my PA is recommending that I change my diet solely because of the elevated LDL. There was no discussion about my Triglyceride-HDL ratios which are .6 or about the possibility that the LDL level might not be a bad thing given my other results and lifestyle. I have “suggested” that she refer me for particle testing after watching this video. But I suspect the medical advice will not change. Thank you for this video. Well done. 👍

    • @BestLifeMD
      @BestLifeMD หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ask to see a doctor next visit

    • @YonavKingOfficial
      @YonavKingOfficial 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      how did u get your triglyceride so low damn, are u on keto ro carnivore, or do u eat absolutely no fructose or make sure your sugar never spikes?

  • @melaniegreene5190
    @melaniegreene5190 2 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    I am so excited about this newer information on cholesterol. At 70, I have been down a painful and complicated path with statins. Most recently Repatha. Two months ago, once off of Repatha, I got mad and took back my life. In two months, with food choice changes, exercise and supplements, my health is turning around. Labs done on 5/27/2022 versus this week on 8/1/2022 indicates a real health turn, along with just how great I feel. HDL has gone from 60 to 64, triglycerides went from 233 to 114 and now with my first NMR, my IR results show a level of 40. Although, I am not there yet, I am so grateful for this test and the impact in two months of lifestyle changes. I am also extremely grateful for all your TH-cam videos and books, which have allowed me to understand my true risk factors. Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!❤️❤️

    • @samiam8573
      @samiam8573 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Keto, Intermittent Fasting, No Sugar, Flour, or Alcohol. Easy peasy if you call and that living

    • @katdunn7934
      @katdunn7934 ปีที่แล้ว

      What is your eating style? My doc and cardiologist want me on Rapatha, since I don't tolerate statin drugs. I really don't want to. I just started IF 6 wks before my well check. All cholesterol high, total 285, trig 113 ldl 136. I try cutting fats, sugars and such. Now I just want to say, screw it, why watch all that when my cholesterol went way up.

    • @wellnesspathforme6236
      @wellnesspathforme6236 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Look into supplementing CoQ10 or, better yet, begin eating heart on a regular basis -- and only from pasture-raised, humanely treated animals.

    • @wellnesspathforme6236
      @wellnesspathforme6236 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@katdunn7934 Statins are a massive hoax, IMHO. The best studies pharma has shows a life expectancy increase of something like 4-14 days. Of course, the doctors aren't told this and most aren't smart enough to ask. And that's average -- many people will die sooner than they otherwise would have died, and have to eat the statin side effects, like muscle wasting and brain shrinkage...

    • @wellnesspathforme6236
      @wellnesspathforme6236 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Look up Morley Robbins, Dr. Chris Palmer and Dr. Thomas Seyfried.
      If you feel like your brain is under oxidative stress, start with Dr. Chris Palmer.

  • @schaef1722
    @schaef1722 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Sometimes it’s hard to get your doctor to do these comprehensive blood tests but they’re worth getting them done yourself if you have to

  • @susancorso7186
    @susancorso7186 3 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    I am running to my doctor and asking for the particle test along with my regular cholesterol levels! Great information

    • @williamhartzelljr.9080
      @williamhartzelljr.9080 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Good luck getting your insurance to pay for it.

    • @brucefranken4615
      @brucefranken4615 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Don't forget Apo-B, as it's the best marker for cardiovascular disease.

    • @thegodofyoutube266
      @thegodofyoutube266 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@brucefranken4615my insurance wont cover it … will cost me 3K

    • @bobbader4789
      @bobbader4789 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@brucefranken4615will insurance pay for that test?

    • @Nicksonian
      @Nicksonian ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Particle size doesn’t matter. This video is totally wrong

  • @victorvek5227
    @victorvek5227 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    In addition to 11 minutes of talking, it would have been nice to simply list the test(s) to ask for in the description.

    • @bryanw5951
      @bryanw5951 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Watch Dr. Berg vids on cholesterol. He lays it out clearly.

    • @JW-iz6mv
      @JW-iz6mv 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Exactly !!!

  • @tracygreen7466
    @tracygreen7466 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you, after watching I'm convinced my doctor doesn't care or don't know what he is doing

  • @CS-pd3rz
    @CS-pd3rz ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Cholesterol is not dirt, its essential for a healthy life.
    LDL is not the bad guy, Its essential too.

    • @RamonaPereira-yg9uc
      @RamonaPereira-yg9uc 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It’s just an analogy.

    • @Clarice-rp7mh
      @Clarice-rp7mh 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It is an analogy to help the patient understand. I used to use a citibus and riders to help my patients understand how hemoglobin(the bus) has only so many attachment opportunities, iron atoms (the seats on the bus) for the O2 molecules to attach. CO has a higher affinity for attachment to the "seats" so it is allowed to board the bus first, squeezing out the O2. Cigarette smoke, like all smoke, contains CO, robbing the smoker of 02. A pulse ox only measures the % of saturation of the hemoglobin, but can not differentiate how much is saturated with 02 versus CO. For pulmonary patients these numbers are very important and also for a pregnant woman that insists on continuing to smoke through her pregnancy.

    • @racegts
      @racegts 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It’s an analogy, c’mon man.

  • @Ingridvieira310
    @Ingridvieira310 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I think the other bit of information that people need to understand and rarely gets discussed is .. why is cholesterol important and why is cholesterol going to the arteries in the first place? The small dense LDL cholesterol are there to try and fix/patch up lesions in our arteries .. well what’s causing these lesions ? THAT’s the KEY !! Once people understand what the “root causes” are .. then it all makes more sense. It’s going to take time for this “Paradigm shift” to happen when it comes to understanding Cholesterol .. but eventually the facts/results will speak for themselves !! Dr. Nadir Ali (Cardiologist), Dr. Annette Bosworth, MD (Dr. Boz) are amazing sources of information and I would highly recommend their videos (not only on this topic but so many others). ✨

    • @MrSidReal
      @MrSidReal ปีที่แล้ว

      The small dense LDL (glycated) isn't there to clean the lesions, it's part of the problem.
      That's not to say LDL is bad at all. But small dense is the problem.
      Low TG and high HDL are an indication that your LDL is of th3 buoyant type and not the small dense

    • @BestLifeMD
      @BestLifeMD หลายเดือนก่อน

      Agree. The theory of damaged epithelium leading to plaque has been disproven. Healthy arterial walls are areas of plaque formation.

  • @LynnFishmanNurse
    @LynnFishmanNurse ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I was really hoping this video would go into more specifics given its title. Thanks for the discussion..

  • @Kelly--
    @Kelly-- ปีที่แล้ว +1

    3:23. 4:30 lifestyle that impacts size of ldl particles. 4:47 metabolic syndrome, insulin resistance, belly. diet changes this. sugar high triglicerides. low hdl men over 40. it should be over 50 if possible. triglycerides over 50 to 70. particle size testing. nmr testing shows insulin resistance score. advanced cholesterol testing. what are their markers of oxidative stress 8:27. 9:55 ask doctor to do particle sized test

  • @bernicemoore9146
    @bernicemoore9146 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks so much for this information. I’m scheduled for a visit with my primary care provider in 2 weeks. I trust that she will gladly order the partial size cholesterol test!

  • @lynnetrue4103
    @lynnetrue4103 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    In 2021 as a woman at 65 years old my total cholesterol was 228 and LDL was 150. All other cholesterol numbers were good. I started a heart healthy diet and started walking around my house to lower my Cholesterol #s because I didn't want to start statins. I did not need to lose weight but over the next 5 months I lost 10 pounds and weighed 120 pounds so I had my lipid panel done and wonderfully my total was down to 204 and LDL was 150. So I added low fat dairy and some cheese and cut down on walking, gained a few pounds over a year but kept the rest of the diet the same and one year later total cholesterol is down to 174 and LDL is 104! I asked my doctor for a cardiac calcium CT and have a score of 0! Also my Apolipoprotein B is 74mg/dL and Apolipoprotein A1 is 161 mg/dL both in standard range. The CT cost $100 and the blood tests were covered under my Medicare advantage plan. Do I need to ask for the particle tests or are the Apolipoprotein tests the same as the particle tests? Thank you

    • @arnoldfrackenmeyer8157
      @arnoldfrackenmeyer8157 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Total cholesterol of 228 sounds healthy to me. That's like my numbers and I have zero heart disease. Same age bracket as you.

    • @JodyBruchon
      @JodyBruchon ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What they call a heart healthy diet is the biggest cause of cardiovascular disease in the United States. Low carb, high saturated fat diets are the only way to go.

    • @brucefranken4615
      @brucefranken4615 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's very inspiring. When you get the Apo-B down to those levels you've halted plaque progression and may get regression!

  • @stephenkern5784
    @stephenkern5784 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My cardiologist yold me a low ldl was "the gold standard" 7 years ago. I have been on atorvastatin since. Ldl went way down but so did my hdl. Now only 37! Good info.

  • @MuhammadTariq-be3gq
    @MuhammadTariq-be3gq 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    It’s news to me. I never heard of this test before. Thank you Dr Hyman for this podcast.

    • @robertpulsin2111
      @robertpulsin2111 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Right, I'm glad it's getting out to mainstream now. Ten years ago, I had read about this as the first studies came out. I tried to get my doctor, then, to test me for it and he laughed at me and said we don't do that. He claimed that there's nothing that can be done about it, therefore, it's a pointless test.

    • @MuhammadTariq-be3gq
      @MuhammadTariq-be3gq 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@robertpulsin2111 You are well ahead of the curve. Great!

    • @arnoldfrackenmeyer8157
      @arnoldfrackenmeyer8157 ปีที่แล้ว

      Its been around for a long time.

  • @michellelockert1507
    @michellelockert1507 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    So fascinating and grateful for this information. Just saw my heart doc and sometimes I wonder if some of these doctors really went to school.

    • @Aura-us7jl
      @Aura-us7jl 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      They went to the wrong school 😒

    • @thinkingaboutnothing2538
      @thinkingaboutnothing2538 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      They don’t keep up with advances in medicine. There’s a lot of new studies that they don’t consider.

    • @lindagenovese595
      @lindagenovese595 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      AMEN!!!!!

  • @cathykratka2243
    @cathykratka2243 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you very much for this information, I've only recently learned about the NMR test and not from my Primary doctor and not even from my Cardiologist but I will be requesting it on my next visit in two weeks. Thank you I will be sharing this video.

  • @davodeewhy
    @davodeewhy 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Excellent. This is the truth. I have had to educate my general medical practitioner. In Australia, focus on the LDL concentration (expressed in mmol/L, not mg/L). It would be nice if the concentration of small dense LDL was a routine measurement in the lipid profile. My LDL has thankfully decreased with statin therapy to normal values after a heart attack. High LDL for the last 10 years was my only risk factor.

  • @cooperstravels5725
    @cooperstravels5725 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Just did my annual physical and blood work. Cholesterol 235, Triglycerides 73, HDL 57, LDL 163. The good news is versus last year my Triglycerides went down over 10pts, my HDL went up over 10pts, but my LDL went up 30pts. My Blood Pressure is 104/70 which is the best it's been in quite a while. My doc gave me a call and said I should go on a low fat diet, take a statin, and I should exercise more. I am currently doing a keto plan which typically raises the LDL for some reason. Seems like 1) I should exercise more, 2) take a detailed LDL test to see if the higher LDL is actually a problem or not.

    • @HopeOfJoe
      @HopeOfJoe ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Dr. Mark Hyman says to ask for an NMR, Cardio IQ, and Lipoprotein to see the size of your LDL particles. Big particles (low test number) equals beach balls that just b I uncle off your arteries,whereas small particles ( high test number) are like golf balls and penetrate the blood vessel much easier. Hope that helps.✌🏻️👍🏻

    • @cooperstravels5725
      @cooperstravels5725 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@HopeOfJoe thanks for the reply and suggestion, but I would think that if tryiglycerides and HDL and Blood pressure are relatively in line it is unlikely that the LDL particle size would be way out of line? Or is there no correlation to overall decent health and LDL particle size?

    • @cooperstravels5725
      @cooperstravels5725 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HopeOfJoe I did that when I was tested back in March. Here are the results: NMR HDL-C = 71mg/dl, NMR Triglycerides = 89mg/dl, HDL-P (Total) = 41.4 umol/L, Small LDL - P = 802 nmol/L, LDL size = 21.3nm, LP - IR score = 34, LDL-P = 2140nmol/L. No idea if these scores are good or bad, but all were coded green (good) except Small LDL - P of 802. , and LDL P

    • @boblatkey7160
      @boblatkey7160 ปีที่แล้ว

      Divide HDL into triglycerides and if the ratio is less than 1.5 then you are in good shape! That is a poor man's calculation that multiple doctors were talking about. Also look at fasting glucose and fasting insulin and then look on the Internet as to how to calculate your HOMA-IR. That is a scoring system of your insulin resistance. I am guessing that you are good on both.

    • @beck8191
      @beck8191 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      High ldl is good for you. Less heart attacks less death.

  • @pamelaclawson6283
    @pamelaclawson6283 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    this information is so very important....im so glad i found it....THX for posting the episode!!

  • @brucefranken4615
    @brucefranken4615 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Recent studies show that the level of Apo-B is the major risk factor in cardiovascular disease. Also no need to concern ourselves with ratios.

  • @JW-iz6mv
    @JW-iz6mv 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    So what is the specific name of the test that we should be taking ???

    • @gmtgsong4635
      @gmtgsong4635 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I think they said it's NMR or Cardio IQ.

  • @GlimpseIntoTheirNatures
    @GlimpseIntoTheirNatures ปีที่แล้ว +28

    Our health care system refuses to use the tests that determine what type of LDL you have. This ensures a few extra statin sales. 😂

    • @arbiforumnow
      @arbiforumnow ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, and ADA dismisses fasting insulin tests! Unbelievable!

    • @msk3905
      @msk3905 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Sadly completely true

  • @NewToThisIn09
    @NewToThisIn09 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Thank you for going into depth, Both of my parents had heart problems.

    • @cps_Zen_Run
      @cps_Zen_Run 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not to worry. The genetic portion of heart disease and CVD is not genetic but metabolic.

  • @Mark-fc7tu
    @Mark-fc7tu ปีที่แล้ว +13

    It's a very important topic that matters to me, thank you for the video.
    My doctor has informed me that my cholesterol and LDL are high, but I've learned that the test result for LDL is actually calculated based on total cholesterol minus HDL, not measured.
    He is quite insistent on me lowering my cholesterol (cutting out red meat from meals and fewer carbs, plus eating vegetables, arugula, avocadoes, chicken, fish and seafood), but it's odd that he would talk about medication for lowering LDL without arranging for a more accurate LDL test first...
    It's a very dubious guideline for medical professionals to follow...

    • @brucefranken4615
      @brucefranken4615 ปีที่แล้ว

      How high are your levels? What is your family history?

  • @circa33
    @circa33 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    this was such a great , easy way to understand this...thanks for that

  • @vickyburton2434
    @vickyburton2434 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Doctors are under the thumb of the ADA and Insurance companies. They are taught to treat symptoms instead of causes. Huge money is made from pharmaceuticals. It is hard to find a doctor who is really well educated on this subject and real nutrition.

  • @stevec404
    @stevec404 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My 'good' number is so far above average that the automated age calculation kicked it out as improbable! My 'bad' number is bad. Dr. wants me to consider statins. I said I would do research first. With these deatails in hand, I will have enough questions and answers to guide my decision. Thanks.

  • @zacmorri
    @zacmorri ปีที่แล้ว +9

    so dr mark I'd like to ask that next time you promote inside tracker you mention that the blood tests don't include any of the specific tests mentioned in this video

    • @sportbilly6329
      @sportbilly6329 ปีที่แล้ว

      I believe I have FH as well how are the results different? Thanks

  • @dt76sf
    @dt76sf ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’m on a Low Carb diet and intermittent fasting. Lost 25 lbs. My LDL is going up but all my other markers are falling inline. Dr is concerned about my LDL. I asked my Dr about options for blood tests and he said there are none. I’m getting a Calcium scoring CT scan to make sure my arteries do not have buildup
    I’ve heard that folks like me may have elevated LDL but as you state here that I may have the less harmful LDL not the small particle LDL

    • @SuperLuckao
      @SuperLuckao 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      When u cut out carbs ur xholestrol goes up. Usually carbs mop it up. Eat more fibre or eat oats to.mop it up. But all people on low carb experience higher cholestrol

  • @Discuholic
    @Discuholic 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    i am so glad to learn this I was in lipitor for a few years 2010- 13 funny thing was those years I was super active swimming , running and hiking , a few years later another Dr told me to get out of cause I didn't need it he was looking the ratios, nothing about particle size though. Today I am retired and older and not as active, but I do control my diet , sugar intake, low carbs, and walk stay active as much as I can.

  • @matthewrogowski8526
    @matthewrogowski8526 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What about the class III and IV LDLs that don't get absorbed by the cells as easily, oxidize due to length in circulation, attract antibodies, clump together, and form the notorious inflammazones that stick to, damage, and inflame the endothelial lining; and when inflamed, the endothelial cells emit platelet activation factor which makes it permeable to lipoprotein particles and macrophages?

  • @esthersantostt9549
    @esthersantostt9549 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love it. Thank you soo much for this info. Regular doctors do not ask for these test? Important: diet we must follow, please

  • @tjdinfl
    @tjdinfl ปีที่แล้ว

    Yeah, good luck with that. My dr told me we don’t do that test. I’m on the hunt for a dr who will.

  • @DavidDabbs-mz7ht
    @DavidDabbs-mz7ht ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Doctor did standard Lipid test and total number was 297. He put me on Lipitor and cardio Dr put me on atenolol they are nuts. I did ratios and all is well. trigs/hdl was 0.7. My glucose was 124 fasting and neither had a comment. I wonder what has health care become.

    • @VictoriaBaer
      @VictoriaBaer ปีที่แล้ว

      It's not health care it's death care or drug care

    • @annamartino5681
      @annamartino5681 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Your fasting Glucose should be ideally 85, it's nearly double. You could be at high risk and should really follow at least your doctors advice. Most likely on TH-cam you can benefit from Intermittent Fasting which you may want to try religiously until your weight is ideal and your glucose test is 85. Most likely you can benefit from seeing an Endocrinologist and a Dietitian as well in addition to your Cardiologist and your doctor. You should also thank your doctors who care for you.

    • @charlesincharge3404
      @charlesincharge3404 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You working on lower that glucose #?

    • @zukiplay
      @zukiplay 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Great ratio! That glucose number may have been high if you did fasting blood work early. Check out Dawn phenomenon.

  • @saidfarid6382
    @saidfarid6382 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello dear Doctor
    Thank you so much for your interesting information about Health,i do appreciate your job.I wish you peace and happness under the sky of prosperity. All the best.
    Take care and have a good time.
    Your Student from Algeria.

  • @francellew2073
    @francellew2073 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very interesting video. My PCP order a CT Calcium Score for my husband and I, because we both have high cholesterol. My score was 1.06 out of 100 and my husband's score was zero, and his cholesterol was higher than mine. I just wonder what's the difference between the CT Calcium Score and the NMR test. I will ask for the breakdown now and check the ratio. So far, our PCP knows we don't want statins and we will try Red Yeast Rice in the meantime.

  • @tylerpaul650
    @tylerpaul650 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you Doctors, excellent stuff here.

  • @Carterofmars
    @Carterofmars ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Low carb, non processed eating lowered my LP-IR score from 65 to 39 in a three month period. My Calc score is 5. 55 year old male that became health conscience only 8 years ago. Prior to that I was American diet processed foods my whole life. I did always walk a lot my whole life as well. Walking was mentally therapeutic, but the side effect may have been the low calc.
    It's NEVER too late to eat healthily. 👍👍👍

  • @lorier9356
    @lorier9356 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just found this video. It's very informative. Thank you.

  • @chrisbarberi4173
    @chrisbarberi4173 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Lipoprotein a is the most overlooked risk factor that I have researched. Anyone?

    • @arbiehill68
      @arbiehill68 ปีที่แล้ว

      All the talk about this subject and rarely do you hear about Lp(a) which, from what I have been told, affects approximately 20% of people. My cardiologist had me tested and I am way up there. Waiting anxiously for the new oral med now in clinical trials. Not a thing you can do to change it. Almost like a dark cloud over my head. New drug on the horizon, oral, called Muvalaplin

  • @annamartino5681
    @annamartino5681 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Dr Mark, thank you for this information. Does it matter which insurance your patients have? For example, does Medicare and state Medicaid cover these Tests? If these Tests are not covered by Patient's Insurance, does the doctor who ordered these Tests pay for them with their Career if they work for a hospital, or a specific company? Who would cover these expensive but necessary Bloodwork Tests which Insurance does not routinely cover? Otherwise, if these are the Gold Standard Tests, are they available only to wealthy and those working for companies which insurance is covering these advanced Tests? Did these Advanced Tests now become the Standard Tests similar to what typical Metabolic Blood Panel ordered by Cardiologist only? Can elder people on Medicare without supplemental insurance plans get these Advanced Tests or in other words are these Advanced Tests Mandatory to be covered by Medicare (most likely people who would be getting advanced Cholesterol Tests are not going to be younger if I am not misraken). Can you please make a video on how to get these Advanced Tests and even Vitamins and supplements be covered by Insurance especially for Medicare and Medicaid Insurance patients who are not likely to have extra money to be able to afford these not routinely covered by these insurances)?

  • @tammybott9968
    @tammybott9968 3 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    I had these tests done. I just told my doc I wanted advanced cholesterol testing. No problem. My insurance even paid for it. I found out reassuring things; optimal particle number, optimal peak size, and Pattern A. Paternal side of family has heart disease issue. I’m hoping my numbers mean I dodged a genetic bullet. OR maybe it’s a few years of avoiding processed foods/sugar and lots of the GOOD saturated fat.

    • @F_T2D_Drew
      @F_T2D_Drew 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What did your doctor say about the results?

    • @tammybott9968
      @tammybott9968 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@F_T2D_Drew Basically just told me excellent results and keep up the good work. I know from dna testing that I an a apoe2/3 and I clear fats well. Might be more genetically lucky than hard work. But I do walk daily and eat whole foods. My macros are roughly 30% fat, 15% protein and 55% complex carbs.

    • @abdelilahbenahmed4350
      @abdelilahbenahmed4350 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      May I ask you what is "good" saturated fat ?

    • @tammybott9968
      @tammybott9968 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@abdelilahbenahmed4350 I really think it comes down to your genotype regarding all nutrition. Yet, most people do not know their APOE genotype for example. My sat fat comes in grass fed whole milk and butter and small portions of grass fed/finished animal protein. So. I eat a relatively high sat fat diet and my Advanced lipid panel is stellar. I clear fats well. My husband, who eats the same diet as I just got his results from the advanced lipid panel and they were very bad. We do not know my husbands APOE status because he just is not interested I. Finding out. Based on his results I believe he must be carrying 1 or 2 copies of the APOE 4 allele which would mean he does not clear fats well. So. Looks like I’m going to need to modify his diet from that of my own. What a pain.

    • @abdelilahbenahmed4350
      @abdelilahbenahmed4350 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@tammybott9968 Thx Tammy for your answer. Anyway, a scientific research cited by Dr BARNARD shows that reducing saturated fat is an effective strategy for Alzheimer's (and dementia in general ) prevention.

  • @rhondaurb
    @rhondaurb ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for this great explanation

  • @daviddelguercio8458
    @daviddelguercio8458 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    He said the tryg and Hdl ratio standard wrong. If it’s over 2 it’s not good. If it’s under two it’s considered optimal

  • @deantsar6246
    @deantsar6246 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another clip that goes on and on and on.

  • @gilliani.4328
    @gilliani.4328 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Thanks for sharing this! I was just talking with someone about this issue and a few minutes later this interview popped up. (Is my iPhone eavesdropping???) I will be insisting my doctor give me this test.

    • @RockHoppingGranny
      @RockHoppingGranny 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes your phone is eavesdropping - I hear about this happening all the time. People taking to a friend about a holiday or product or something and then seeing adverts for it the next day. These are not coincidences.

    • @joannpuchir6214
      @joannpuchir6214 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      My guess is yes, it does eavesdrop

    • @susanwray6788
      @susanwray6788 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes eavesdropping has happened to me several times

  • @Straightdeal
    @Straightdeal 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Finally, one day doctors will understand which markers are important. We don't have NMR test in South Africa. HDL and Triglycerides the important markers. Mine 77 and 70 respectively (I have converted the mmol/L) to mg/DL). So my Trig/HDL ratio is less than one in mg/dl and 0.39 when you use my mmol/L figures. Trig 0.79, HDL 2.0, which gives a figure of 0.39. The math does not make sense, but that's an issue for another day!

    • @Malcolm-Achtman
      @Malcolm-Achtman 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      When the "experts" speak about the Trig/HDL ratio being less than 1, they are basing that on units of mg/dL. Therefore, always convert your values of mmol/L to mg/dL first. To convert HDL cholesterol from mmol/L to mg/dL you have to multiply by 38.6. An HDL of 2.0 mmol/L x 38.6 = 77.2 mg/dL. But here's the trick. To convert Trigs from mmol/L to mg/dL you have to multiply by 88.5. Therefore, Trigs of 0.79 mmol/L x 88.5 = 69.9 mg/dL. Your Trig/HDL ratio would then be 69.9/77.2 = 0.90, which is excellent.

    • @wellinever1558
      @wellinever1558 ปีที่แล้ว

      The conversion is difficult for SA..we must ask for tgese tests afterall we are the consumer and doing tge paying. Drs do not learn nutrition in tgeor studies the biggest thing they sgoukd be learning as it makes tge most diference.

    • @Straightdeal
      @Straightdeal ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Malcolm-Achtman That's what I did, but I still don't understand why the two equations for Trig/HDL using mmol/l and mg/dl don't give the same value.

    • @Malcolm-Achtman
      @Malcolm-Achtman ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Straightdeal The two equations don't work because, as mentioned earlier, you need to multiply cholesterol by 38.6 (to convert from mmol to mg/dL), but you must multiply by 88.5 to convert triglycerides from mmol to mg/dL. In other words, it's not a linear relationship.

    • @miguelc2840
      @miguelc2840 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Malcolm-Achtman It boggles my mind when my doctor says....your Triglycerides are negative 2. -.-

  • @Ruouiji
    @Ruouiji ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Being the 2nd most important molecule in the human system (Next to H2o), Cholesterol is the least of my worries!

  • @markweatherall7437
    @markweatherall7437 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I've just had my traditional doctors cholesterol test done 2 weeks ago and he said the result was higher than what he would like at a total of 5.7
    I walked out of doctors office concerned especially when I live a healthy lifestyle.

  • @ritastein764
    @ritastein764 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    How about some charts with specific names of tests and specific results, please? They seem nice enough, but how about some real detailed help here. Sort of feel like I wasted 15 minutes of time that could have taken actual test ranges versus what would be good or not good. Fluffy versus dense doesn't help much! I have had the tests, my dr isn't interested, so I am pretty much on my own to discern my next step. For example what would be a good / desirable range for SD LDL-C etc.?
    Thank you. We want to be educated, please help us!

  • @alicjaalicja6522
    @alicjaalicja6522 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am 45 and GP is advising me statins for high cholesterol, I am devastated

    • @billf23351
      @billf23351 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Do 3 things...1. learn to regularly do resistance training at the gym. 2. Stop eating crummy processed and sugar laden foods (as she said) 3. Stop consuming alcohol beverages. Try that 3 months and get tested again. What have you got to lose besides bad habits.

  • @reginamay2767
    @reginamay2767 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I asked my doctor for this yest and he said it was a very complicated test and pricey.

  • @corikyle3882
    @corikyle3882 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I am in Canada and my Doctor won't order this. She said they use a different standard. I'm not at risk she says even though my LDL is a little elevated. My triglycerides are really low. I have lost 55 lbs since last year and changed my diet and went low carb because I was prediabetic. My A1C is high normal now so that's why I watch my carb intake. In Canada we cannot order our own blood test for an advanced lipid test for particle size. At least that I can see. It is so annoying!!!!

  • @MsTony1402
    @MsTony1402 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    The only cholesterol test we get here in the UK is whether they can successfully push statins on you. No way will you get a test to measure particle size even if your traditional cholesterol figure are very high.

    • @tammybott9968
      @tammybott9968 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I guess that might be one of the benefits of not having a national healthcare. I didn’t pay a dime for my extensive bloodwork. Very good insurance. BUT. I’m aware of the detrimental cost to society at large not having national healthcare as well.

    • @jodyjackson5475
      @jodyjackson5475 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yah sounds like things up here in Castro country

    • @perugino25
      @perugino25 ปีที่แล้ว

      Socialized medicine as it is here in the US control by the Insurance and pharma!!!!! I pay my own testing. I do not trust doctor anymore unless is a functional doctor who most likely do not accept insurance ...it is about having money which I better expend it in quality food and lifestyle choices; you would minimize your probabilities to end in the hands of athese doctor's losers

    • @Ayyeliki
      @Ayyeliki ปีที่แล้ว

      @ChrisW but if you have TG and HDL, that ratio gives imp info, too!

    • @wellnesspathforme6236
      @wellnesspathforme6236 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tammybott9968 >>I didn’t pay a dime for my extensive bloodwork.

  • @harrynickel8691
    @harrynickel8691 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Butting heads with my GP now. He sent me to a Cardiologist due to an increase on my LDL. They have my wife scared.

  • @barbsdee3831
    @barbsdee3831 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I live in the uk and I don’t even get a triglyceride score! HDL and LDL only 🤦🏼‍♀️

  • @maremacd
    @maremacd ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It’s very sad that these MDs have bought into the social media “broscience” regarding cholesterol. Particle size is insignificant according to cardiologists. Particle NUMBER is the factor you need to be concerned about. They touch on this in the video but continue to focus on particle size. That’s why practicing cardiologists recommend knowing your Apo B number. And saturated fat is the primary dietary contributor to particle number.

  • @carrieg8779
    @carrieg8779 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    My naturopath has been doing these tests for years. I guess that’s why I go to a naturopath and whoby training are functional medicine doctors.

    • @natsway
      @natsway 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Which tests are those?

  • @sharonjoan9997
    @sharonjoan9997 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love this channel. ❤

  • @markbraxton1289
    @markbraxton1289 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The higher the readings the better for me ...

  • @pattiiman989
    @pattiiman989 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great information!

  • @FunBunny-v2d
    @FunBunny-v2d หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I just got a 240 TOTAL cholesterol result. Doc ordered the total instead of a LDL, HDL triglyceride breakdown. Now Doc wants to prescribe statins. So, I asked for a CAC test because I don't want statins but I'm ok with them if it MUST take them. I am a little scared of the cholesterol possibly clogging my arteries so I'm getting the CAC.

    • @francellew2073
      @francellew2073 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Very interesting video. My PCP ordered a CT Calcium Score test (which was not covered by insurance) for my husband and I. My Score was 1.06 out of 100, and my husband's Score was Zero. We both have high cholesterol but now am going to request the breakdown of HDL, LDL and Triglyeries. I just wonder what's the difference between the CT calcium Score and the NMR test. If our arteries are ok, do we need to still lower the cholesterol?

    • @hareriti2463
      @hareriti2463 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Sorry, no lab only does total, it's standard to do all 4 components and no doc would ever order that away from the report, it also costs little. And no doc ever would prescribe statins on that basis. What you are saying is so far off its basically unbelievable. Sorry.

  • @AmsterDanTheAmerican
    @AmsterDanTheAmerican ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am a Kaiser Patient in Northern California. Do you know what tests I should be asking them for?

  • @JohnQuackenbushDC
    @JohnQuackenbushDC ปีที่แล้ว

    WHY IS THE TRANSCRIPTS BUTTON MISSING FROM YOUR VIDEO? Transcripts are great to make notes from!! Great video but to make notes I had to pause and replay to key in my notes.

  • @johngoh767
    @johngoh767 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dr. Hyman, what is the best cholesterol lipid test that is accurate?
    Your advice please.

  • @rod545
    @rod545 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Should I get the cardio IQ fractionation test or the Cardio IQ subfractionation test?

  • @suzanneadamson1306
    @suzanneadamson1306 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ApoB seems to be all the news. Is this important, Dr.s?

  • @mindinterceptor
    @mindinterceptor 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can you recommend a doctor in Orlando who is a proponent of this type of test. My current doctor doesn't seem to care about this.

    • @pvaz80
      @pvaz80 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I recently switched GP due to wanting to address some high BP and tachycardia symptoms quickly and after my original GP kept prescribing acid reflux meds. I started seeing Dr Daniel Mora-Rivera with Orlando Health at 5540 E Grant St, about 15 minutes north of OIA. He was willing to order a Cardio IQ Advanced Lipid Panel test from Quest. Best of luck.

  • @scosal7100
    @scosal7100 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    She should drop the dump truck analogy. It's not providing the clarity she wants to give.

  • @diannechristino
    @diannechristino ปีที่แล้ว

    I literally just emailed my doctors office adn the response was, "there is not way to measure particle size"... I'm livid.

  • @gregl2249
    @gregl2249 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    They need to slow down and repeat the names of the tests and where to go to get these tests done

  • @bbyng7316
    @bbyng7316 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    She is right. I dramatically lowered everything except HDL by cutting out fast carbs, sugars, (50mg a day max) and all saturated fat.

  • @susanprobert4465
    @susanprobert4465 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What are the names of the tests I need to ask for?

  • @millizaable
    @millizaable 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    So what is the test we are supposed to be getting...?

  • @KAT00035
    @KAT00035 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I’m a 58 year old woman. Even in my 20’s my HDL was always too low. I work out daily. Since January I’ve been eating lower carb, and avoid all processed foods. I was eating 1600 calories a day and not losing weight, so I went up to 1700 and lost a few pounds. My doctors always tell me I need to work out more. I always respond “more than everyday?”, and they look at me as though I’m lying.
    My husband started eating the same way I have been eating since January, and lost 23 pounds over 3 months. I hover around 7-8 pound weight loss, but very slow.

    • @brucefranken4615
      @brucefranken4615 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      More recent science shows us that HDL level is not significant.

    • @bobbader4789
      @bobbader4789 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@brucefranken4615source?

  • @alanmunro5068
    @alanmunro5068 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How are these tests know in the U.K.?

  • @TES-bt8sv
    @TES-bt8sv ปีที่แล้ว +3

    How does LDL particle size relate to your ApoB level?

  • @amfohr
    @amfohr ปีที่แล้ว

    Seems this particle test is not available in Europe

  • @TeresaWilliams-f2e
    @TeresaWilliams-f2e ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I paid for a cardiology IQ test and took the results to my doc. He then ordered the alipo...test. shows I have a genetic inclination to higher lol. My inflammation markers are high, even on a wfpb no oil diet for a year. I am on a low statin 3 x a week and working up to 500 of niacin.

  • @jpdoc5722
    @jpdoc5722 ปีที่แล้ว

    carb free , healthy fat diet raised my LDL to the roof.
    everything else is on low end of normal spectrum.
    TG to HDL ratio is only 0.3

  • @Fred_the_Head
    @Fred_the_Head ปีที่แล้ว

    It may be that Lp(a) and ApoB serum concentrations are more important than LDL, HDL, Triglycerides, etc. Unfortunately, there are no treatments for these lipoproteins.

  • @12elisa10
    @12elisa10 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Would be nice to talk about those with FH because that is totally different in terms of particles than for those due to diet, insulin resistant ect

  • @carlosvillegas6113
    @carlosvillegas6113 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This cholesterol problem is so confusing

  • @MrWoodward42
    @MrWoodward42 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Constructive feedback: This video would be much better with a visual aid like a slide deck.

  • @myronp243
    @myronp243 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I tried to talk to my cardiologist about this .Her response was : I Don't want talk an out it how about the VD L particles

  • @thegodofyoutube266
    @thegodofyoutube266 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Asked my doctor for particle size test he told me my insurance wouldnt cover it and it would cost $3,000

  • @luc_dogg
    @luc_dogg 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    My dad's doctor is refusing to do this test after he just suffered a stroke. He says the regular test is all they need. He actually didn't know the test existed until I sent him information on it. I'm going to keep bugging until they put the order in for the test.

    • @luc_dogg
      @luc_dogg 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Update: doctor said they don't have the ability to do the test

    • @elisabethst.claire5088
      @elisabethst.claire5088 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Your father needs a new doctor.

    • @wellnessdr5572
      @wellnessdr5572 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@luc_dogg
      You can get the test done without any doctors prescription .

    • @namamamareally411
      @namamamareally411 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@wellnessdr5572 Hello how can you get the test done without doctor’s prescription and where.. Thank you

    • @freedom2084
      @freedom2084 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@wellnessdr5572. Do you know where to get the test without a prescription?

  • @pammuller9204
    @pammuller9204 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great info!

  • @desperado77760
    @desperado77760 ปีที่แล้ว

    what is the test we need? Please post it

    • @aesthetic15912
      @aesthetic15912 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Small dense LDL and Apo B levels

    • @desperado77760
      @desperado77760 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@aesthetic15912 thanks

  • @heatherpacholke2175
    @heatherpacholke2175 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I tried to get our doctor to do this test for my husband because he has high ldl..but doctor said they can't do this test and that some of these types of tests have to be done in hospital?

    • @intuitivemode5249
      @intuitivemode5249 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You can likely order it yourself for a small fee without seeing a doctor (online). Your doctor was likely generalising about other cardiovascular tests.

    • @jodyjackson5475
      @jodyjackson5475 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Oh good grief! Wth is going on? Drug pushing it seems.... what lazy medicine

    • @jm08050
      @jm08050 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You can get all of the advanced lipid panel tests at any of 2400 Quest locations for $130 - or any LabCorp etc. Screw the doctors!

    • @rod545
      @rod545 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@intuitivemode5249 Where can I order it at?

  • @bettydeleconio9121
    @bettydeleconio9121 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was told that insurance doesn’t cover the cost

  • @doctorpete1
    @doctorpete1 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Why is it that all MD's aren't using the proper tests?

    • @chefzak2238
      @chefzak2238 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They do what they are taught and what is consistent with current guidelines. Lots of what they are taught is funded by pharmaceutical companies. Statins are big money makers and these tests would have significantly reduced the number of prescriptions, hence there are other "more convenient" studies that are promoted.

  • @danielfitzgerald4089
    @danielfitzgerald4089 ปีที่แล้ว

    Should you have your first test being off a statin to see what your true baseline istating? When would you recommend to get retested after being on a statin? Finally, what tests besides an A1C test would recommend for checking insulin resistance since there is a correlation of this with heart disease. I have one side of my family that is genics related to heart disease. Thank You!

    • @brucefranken4615
      @brucefranken4615 ปีที่แล้ว

      Apo-B is the gold standard, 70 - 80 is your target. If you have T2D you're almost certain to have insulin resistance. This may help: th-cam.com/video/MAw4KMoBTPo/w-d-xo.html

  • @michaelmastrangelo4665
    @michaelmastrangelo4665 ปีที่แล้ว

    thanks for the new info

  • @hendrikritsema3018
    @hendrikritsema3018 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why do only arteries clog with cholesterol and not veins or small capillaries?
    Scurvy = No vitamin C in your diet.
    Symptom: Your blood vessels break and you bleed to death. Think of the sailor of the past.
    Scurvy of the heart = Just enough vitamin C from food.
    Symptom: Arteries around the heart are not strong enough to resist high blood pressure. Damage is repaired with cholesterol to prevent worse. After years of repair, your arteries become clogged.
    Enough vitamin C supplement of at least 3000 mg. per day gives strong and flexible arteries. Cholesterol is not needed as a repair agent. Cholesterol in your coronary arteries is broken down and burned in your liver.
    Source: Cardiovascular disease and vitamine C (Dr. Rath Foundation)

  • @Fetherko
    @Fetherko ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have read dozens of books about cardiovascular health in the Cuyahoga County library system. This is the first I heard about particle size or dump trucks. My reading includes your book, Dr. Hyman. Something doesn't make sense.

    • @charlesincharge3404
      @charlesincharge3404 ปีที่แล้ว

      Replay it and listen closely. It makes tons of sense.

  • @Take-a-Stand
    @Take-a-Stand 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Two problems: 1). Most MDs don't know how to interpret Cardio-IQ and NMR test results and 2) Most health insurance providers won't cover the cost because particle testing at the cellular level is expensive, so your stuck with the Standard Lipid Panel.

    • @michy2630
      @michy2630 ปีที่แล้ว

      Do insurance companies know about these tests? I was going to call mine & see if they are familiar & know about coverage

    • @Take-a-Stand
      @Take-a-Stand ปีที่แล้ว

      @@michy2630 Yes, they will only pay for the Standard Bloodwork panel as part of your Annual Physical; everything above or different than that is not covered. You have to get the CPT codes for each test to discuss with your insurance company. Customer service won't be able to advise you on what bloodwork is recommended or how to interpret the results; same with most MDs, who will only provide a little advise based on the Standard panel and not much beyond that.

    • @michy2630
      @michy2630 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Take-a-Stand do you happen to know any cpt codes that I can use? I'm curious to ask. Thank you

    • @Take-a-Stand
      @Take-a-Stand ปีที่แล้ว

      @@michy2630 80061,83704,82172,83695. Cardio IQ, advanced Lipid Panel.

    • @tondalea7097
      @tondalea7097 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      A NMR self paid test is about $60.