The idea that some people don't know who thrall is is making my head spin. Not in incredulity, but just realizing how long he's been in the background.
Just wanna say I really appreciate the videos you put out on the lore and I especially appreciate that you take the time to recap past events instead of assuming everyone already knows everything. Been watching your content since 2014. You're the man, Nobbel.
I really hate people complaining about how Anduin feels and acts like. They have such a toxic view on masculinity it feels, that they can't let a man be depressed or struggle with PTSD.
men complain that their mental health struggles aren’t taken seriously and then proceed to be the biggest parts of their own problems lol. so frustrating to see.
@annaborchion9285 Keep in mind that many of the the same people shaming men for not taking mental health seriously are also propagating an ideology that views men as the root of all societal ills. Its difficult to take them seriously on the things that they are right about when they simultaneously perpetuate that mental crisis with their ideology.
It is tough, for sure. I think it is important to Keep in mind that many of the same groups ridiculing men for not taking mental health seriously are also propagating a set of ideas that views men as the root of all societal ills. Its difficult to take them seriously on the things that they are right about when they simultaneously perpetuate that very same crisis with their ideology. It's a lot like war profiteering. Creating conflict so that you can create solutions to the conflict, but if anyone is able to see what you're doing, they won't take you seriously when you day how horrible the conflict is.
Thrall pushing his chest against the blade to stop it from shaking was such a great bit of cinematography. And a really clever bit of character writing. I don't know if something like that would actually work in real life, but when watching it play out, I firmly believed it worked in that moment. Anduin, shaking and lost, and then Thrall, without even touching him, stabilises his shaking hand. It was a beautiful moment. I've not been following the story much recently, but that cinematic was fantastic.
I cried a little bit when Metzen got on stage with that presentation. Just takes you back to the good days, hopefully everything will be on the up from here forward.
@@youngcracker9517They're not exactly wrong. Metzen was only brought back to try to bring people back to WoW because numbers (allegedly) aren't great. I'm happy Metzen is back and think the writing will improve, but they didn't do it for the love of Warcraft.
I actually made a parallel between Thrall and Anduin on reddit and it caught a lot of attention. The connection i made here was, Thrall lost his shamanistic abilities after slaying Garrosh, Doomhammer went quiet, the elements he could no longer hear, he lost his power, due to his own inner conflict, and doubt. Anduin has much the same, he admitted he has no light, and he's not that person anymore. Again.. i think it's a self doubt and inner conflict thing. I think blizzard likes doing throwbacks in cinematics to get people hyped, that's all. But i think this is more about.. Thrall relating to Anduin.
I somewhat agree, but he used Astral Recall? at least, the colors of the icon in game were depicted in the cinematic. of the two, Green Jesus is the one who specifically touches the ground & gets hit with a vision, as opposed to Andu who closes his eyes. they both receive the 2nd vision afterwards, but the initial contact of Thrall’s hands on Azeroth’s ground felt v shamanistic. perhaps it’ll be a theme of stepping back into power for these big names? or finding something new altogether via “Hero Talents?”
also very well represented having both of them at the center point of the cinematic since Thrall suffered his own war within and now Alduin is also suffering his own war within.
They like to toy with throwbacks, but also with internal topics and player psychology. Anduin and Thrall could technically, realistically be stand-ins for so many different levels of things.
I like to think that Jaina knew exactly where Anduin has been, but Thrall whom has kinda went through a similar crisis of self character, kept telling her and others that Anduin needs time away to heal himself
Given that Jaina has been through some trauma herself (though not the same kind, obviously), I'd imagine she and Thrall would be the ones telling others to give him space while keeping tabs on him from a distance.
Hes not deleting their old stories. Hes more like weaving them into his own. If he was throwing out their ideas out then Anduin wouldn't have PTSD from the Jailors domination. And wouldn't have callbacks to Shadowlands.
No exaggeration, this cinematic was fantastic. Anduins face doesn’t trigger any sort of uncanny valley for me, and his face alone makes me feel for him
Alleria isn't getting visions from the World Soul at all. She is getting visions from the Void directly, trying to move her towards siding with Xalatath. That is why it is emphasizing the amulet of Iridikron in Knaifu's hand, and focusing on her (Knaifu) and the Nerubians. She even mentions that in her dialogue in the features trailer. The World Soul wouldn't and I believe couldn't individually target people right now outside of Magni. Alleria gets the knowledge of the visions from Turalyon, and he probably knows her visions, as they tend to share these things. It wouldn't make sense that suddenly Azeroth herself just goes "Hey Alleria, see these visions!" when everyone else can just barely hear her.
Yeah alleria be hearing the call from the void/different message as the others, that's what she says in the trailer. The part about visions/hearing voice for multiple people comes from the anne stickney wowhead interview: Anne Stickney: It's a part of the Saga. The World Soul is calling to people, and calling for a reason. And a lot of people have been hearing these words and these visions.
You made a great point about balance in storytelling. If all you have is action, you end up with dumb stuff like Michael Bay Transformers. If you have nothing but emotions, you end up with... Dragonflight. Action and emotional storytelling should compliment and support each other, not have one be a substitute for the other.
@@neugassh3570 Why use the word garbage? Just say you don't like it. I was pretty disappointed that it didn't feature a "hook", like some action, but to call it trash is... come on.
Guy in chat: I would like this if it wasn't done in Shadowlands. ... that's the point. Anduin has been hiding out for 3 years since escaping the Maw. He was tortured beyond all reason, forced to do abhorrent terrible things. The fact he is sane at all is a miracle, that's part of the point of this cinematic. To reflect on where Anduin's mind has been.
I would love for the throne of SW to be contested now. That there is now a faction within the alliance that is mad Anduin abandoned the throne and does not accept him back so easily.
They set up this awesome plurality of alliance leadership in legion: Greymane, Mekkatorque, that dwarf lady, etc Then proceeded to never use any of them ever again. I'd really like to see the geopolitics of azeroth explored a little more, some clashing of values, that kind of thing.
I didn't go that far, i thought it was just extreme guilt. Like seeking atonement for causing something and feeling to be isolated as a self-punishment and believing that you're either not the same person anymore or don't deserve the reverence that was you based on the thing you did.
Anduin looks like he's suffering a bad case of PTSD. He hacked off his hair (you can see parts where his scalp shows through). Flashbacks, hypervigilance, isolating himself. It should be intriguing to see if he can truly pull himself together. Thank you for showing this and giving your insights into it.
as someone also pointed out to me, Anduin even with all his doubts and fears, always had the Light to turn to, he believed that it's divine power would never fail him. but yet The Jailer was able to smash his barrier and capture him with ease, he probably begged the Light to come help him, to save him somehow, but the Light never answered, hence why he feels unworthy and without Light as he states in the Cinematic, since he ultimately had to save himself.
I disagree that Dragonflight is all emotions. Just because there's no pvp doesn't mean it's lacking in action. There's plenty of action in the form of the primalists. It may not burn as hot as all out war between the Alliance and Hoard does, but for the sake of balance, sometimes a slow burn is better.
Don't know why anduin thinks he has any reason to be all melancholic during shadowlands. All he did was kill dead people that were already dead. Better men than him have done way worse. Especially when he has a lot more to be proud of. Loser needs some self esteem.
The funniest thing to me is after rewatching the cutscene of Anduin picking up Shalamayne I remember that the Garothi world breaker has a protective face plate, cause Varian one-shot the prototype at the broken shore.
"We need to address the sword! Who knows what the sword is about?" "None of us were ever told what the sword was about!" "Then bring me someone who was!" *Enter Metzen*
Think about this cinematic on a meta level: Anduin represents the dwindling playerbase, and Thrall is Metzen. Anduin's PTSD parallels players' alienation caused by the failed narratives of bfa, shadowlands, and dragonflight. ThrallMetzen has returned to coax us back, promising better long term storytelling that's in the spirit of Warcraft and not Stephen Universe(Dragonflight) Don't get me wrong, I do think the Daneuser writing team is going to keep writing dark girlbosses over and over (look at the Alleria teaser), but maybe they'll be nested in a more holistic story that Metzen can help them develop. The sad thing is that girlboss characters can totally work. Look at Cersei, Marjorie Tyrell, Olenna Tyrell (from asoiaf) The Dansnoozer writing team thinks that being a strong woman is a REPLACEMENT for characterization rather than one color in the tapestry. Case in point: DF's Alextraza and Vyranoth.
honestly.....id rather a TV series over an MMO at this point.......WoW has burnt me out after the last few xpacs.......but i always keep tabs on the franchise because i fell in love with the Lore of the World. Give me a Lo'Gosh Side-story and Arthas dealing with the Loraderon stuff. By the end of season 1 you would have covered a majority of the Alliance and even touched on the orc culture thru the Arena. Arcane, Fel, Undeath all of this couldve been slowly introduced instead of the 'assumption of knowledge' the movie had.....
I'm exactly like you! I love (most of) the lore in Warcraft. I was so hyped for BFA during the intro and prepatch days. But nothing lived up to the promise, I quit, skipped Shadowlands, all the shit happen, almost fell out of love with Blizzard entirely. Played about a week of DF and still didn't care. I love this cinematic but I remember BFA and I'm weary.
The fact that Chris managed to convince even pyro to return to warcraft, says a lot. I can only imagine how many more players will return as well. But it's a huge risk. If they fail the first expansion, the rest of the franchise will officially die. 🤷🏼♂️
Metzen didn't rewind the clock Anduin is clearly dealing with what he went through in the Shadowlands. Like it or hate it and I know most hated it, Shadowlands happened and is canon. BFA happened and gave us old and wizened Thrall, and Dragonflight is a great expansion, not the best but clearly better than the previous two.
my problem im struggling with is did anduin even do anything that bad?? when he was under the jailer its not like he *burned a world tree down* I don't understand why anduin is so distraught. I know people are prob sick of seeing sylvanas but she 100000% fits this cinematic better with thrall. We have the timeskip she's out of the maw because azeroth called its champions back and she sees thrall in silithus.
Loved this. Nobbel always made the story easier to follow. I am so happy you uploaded BOTH parts the reflection on it and your initial reaction live. Thank you
Have to disagree with you a bit on this cinematic, Nobbel: The Mannoroth cut scene is part of an in-game narrative and there the emotional stuff definitely has its place, but the Silithus cinematic is an extremely weird choice as *the* cinematic to promote an expansion. It's supposed to be a concise, exciting, persuasive hook to get people in and epic battles and fighting or introducing villains helps with that. I would have loved a cinematic on this quality level giving us a glimpse at what Xalatath and the Nerubians are actually up to as our introduction to the next expansion. Instead, we got a rather context-free conversation between two guys standing in the desert and talking about their feelings. This kind of scene belongs in an "Old Soldier" stye narrative, not out front as promotional material.
There may be another. Shadowlands had the first one with Sylvanas and Bolvar, and closer to release showed the one with the Shadowlands zones and Covenant leaders.
@SliyankaSilvereye I think you are missing the context of how the cinematic was intended. If you actually watched blizzcon where it was used, Metzen pre-emptively gave it context by saying that the epic fighting moments can start with a heartfelt small and tiny moment....then he said this cinematic was one such moment.
I think a LOT of people are so hung up on the Arthas/Anduin parallel (or even thinking Anduin is somehow Arthas's kid, bc we can't let characters just die apparently) buuut ... it's extremely obvious how they're casting Anduin as being so obviously the successor of Varok Saurfang (to the point that he's saying his lines from Old Soldier, and has the PTSD), I wonder how that's gonna play out.
I think the Arthas parallel is more to do with how Anduin sees himself. He was corrupted just like Arthas was, forced to become a monster, and I suspect it's just his own guilt they show with that pose. He fears he'll become another traitor, another monster, because his stint as the Jailer's pawn, had him lose all faith in himself as a good person.
@@1Kapuchu100 oh ofc. I'm not saying some parallel isn't there but I believe it's kinda surface lvl compared to the Varian/Varok. Arthas wanted orcs dead since he saw them in an internment camp, while Anduin around the same age was holding down peace talks in Theramore. They're both dominated but it's night and day how one basically sold his soul for it while the other one had to be dragged kicking and screaming. I wonder if now that he lost the light he'll just go warrior
@@kch1303 I think it is more likely that he at least partly finds the light again. If you go by game terms he was always a discipline priest, not a holy one. I remember back in Pandaria he used mind control on one of his "keepers" so he could get away.
Thanks Nobbel. I can always count on you to catch me up. Well done on putting this together and getting us caught up, especially for those of us who got turned off after BFA. I got goosebumps from this cinematic.
I see. Lots of hate and vitriol towards the world of Warcraft story online but I always am pumped, Anduin being an adult now is just freaking cool in my opinion. We grew up with him, literally. I just don't like how negative everybody is about when wow changes. That's just the nature of the game, You can always go back to a past expansion. War within hype war within hype
I think some people see emotion and video games and get all weirded out by it cuz they don't know how to express their own emotions so they just say "oh its a dumb storyline"
So is it just me or is it weird that Thrall says stuff like "Something ... Someone is calling out from the heart of the world" and "...but that sword was aimed at someone" . Also Anduin asking Thrall who is calling out to them? It seems kinda obvious to at least suspect it is Azeroth (The titan) at this point so even if there is a plot twist later on shouldn't they just assume that it is Azeroth calling out or did both of them sleep through all of Legion and BfA to know about Azeroth?
No, I think you misunderstand. They are saying it seems unusual because Azeroth has never spoken to them before......and it is possible that other forces could use voices to trick them. So they are being careful about making wrong assumptions. And indeed, you and I should also be careful about assuming it is Azeroth.....it is entirely possible that is a lie.
You are seeing this from our point of view, we have so much meta information that these characters don't have. This is always a danger in story telling. If I write "Thrall broke into Anduins room and stole his water flask" And later I write about Anduin wondering who took his waterflask, you will be like "Duh, it's Thrall!!!" But these characters don't know about world souls and titans and all of that, not in the meta way we do.
@@Yattayatta Thrall doesn't know..... but Anduin undeniably and irrefutably and absolutely knows that Azeroth has a world soul inside it.... he was directly involved in the bad story of bfa with the heart chamber and azerite and the nipple robot wanting to drain that world soul of power. By all means, he should be skeptical that the voice he is hearing is that world soul....because we don't have enough information to confirm that or not, yet.
@@laertesindeed That makes zero sense what you are saying. If I have doubt that it is actually Azeroth I talk about how I have doubts that it is actually Azeroth calling and not act like I have no clue who it is. Yes it might not be Azeroth but the conversation should be about if it is Azeroth or someone else. Both of them act like they have no clue who actually is within Azeroth (the planet). And it is pretty clear that Sargeras sword was aimed at Azeroth so Thrall acting like he has no idea who the sword was aimed at is also not explained.
@@Yattayatta How could they not know? The entire story of BfA was centered around Azeroth the titan sleeping withing who got wounded by the sword. Unless you are claiming that the King of the alliance did not know that the champion of the alliance is trying to heal the world soul/titan that is leaking Azerite all over there is not a chance Anduin does not know this. And Thrall would also have to be the biggest idiot to not know about it. It is not like Azeroth having a titan inside is at this point something that is hidden.
I loved the cinematic, the quality is stunning! I like how they have aged Anduin, with the last several years of his life it would be lame if he didn't age because of it. I dont see what they are doing as really going back in time though, more like following up on story lines that were left in the dust and finishing them off or pushing them forward. All the new stuff coming out is intriguing for sure.
this whole cinematic feels like metzen finishing up anduins sad arc in 2 minutes and then "but look at that EXPANSION ENTRANCE RIGHT THERE" and honestly i feel thats a good thing
"No old friend, you've freed us all" man I still get chills when I see this cutscene. I'm very cautious because I got burned in BFA. The cinematic and pre-patch were amazing, had so much promise. And then the main game was just meh and didn't deliver at all on the promise of the Horde-Alliance conflict. I left during BFA, skipped Shadowlands and only play one week of DF. I don't know if I can ever go back even though I love some aspects of the lore.
I havent played since Mists of Pandaria. I do keep up with the expansion lore, and the music....oh Blizz Deities, the music 🥹🫶🤘 I will always roll a Death Knight.
Cinematic was beautiful & amazing. Once again shows the Cinematic team needs more funding & a larger crew to do more like this. However, this cinematic. Was in my opinion, *Not* a expansion reveal cinematic. It was more of a high end patch cinematic. It was beautiful & thoughtful, amazingly done. But where was the adrenaline & excitement? The call to battle, the call for the heroes to help. I can't stress how amazing this cinematic was. But also it just felt lacking for an expansion reveal cinematic specifically.
It was a good teaser about the return of Anduin, but I hope they make a more action cinematic once we are closer to the release. Maybe featuring Xal'atath.
imo, since we know this is the start of a three expansion journey, it’s ok to start on more of a quiet, character focused tone. I imagine as the action ramps up in midnight and last titan we’ll get more action out of the characters. (I’m kind of ignoring dragonflight being a quiet tone the whole time bc it REALLY feels like a filler arc now)
I don't dislike Asmongold's take 70% of the time, but his bitching about "people having emotions" really threw me for a loop. I know friends who've gone to war, and experience PTSD. I have PTSD from abusive relationships that still haunt me to this day despite being married to someone kind and caring, we don't get to put down that experience. Those feelings. Ever. You hit the nail on the head when you put Grommash killing Mannoroth being epic, but also heart felt. That is what people expected from a "cinematic" But I think, much like in BFA, that there will be a series of Cinematics that tell a story that ALL look incredible. But seriously. Those dismissive of emotions, especially internalized struggles from constant suffering, need to hold their tongues now and then.
Shadowlands broke my soul for this game world and i just couldnt bring myself to buy dragonflight for any reason. Im PRAYING that this expansion is going to be good because Legion was probably my favorite of all time and diving back into the sword of sargaras and the void is something ive been aching for.
I am fine dropping crap from Battle and Shadowlands, but can we keep Dragonflight? It is has been a really good expansion and the lore has been fantastic.
@@TyranusRex721 You haven't changed the situation at all..... so, you are just wrong. Objectively. Irrefutably. Undeniably. Absolutely.... just wrong. It is inconsistent, contradictory, and violates all previous lore. From the elemental lords, to the titankeepers, to the dragon flights themselves.... it gets them all wrong and/or violates them completely. It failed. It is horrible. It is disgraceful and disgusting. Thankfully they did not happen and are being ignored.
@@laertesindeed Nope. They did happen. That is a fact and you pissing and shitting yourself saying they didn't will not change anything. They are canon and Dragonflight is good. Cope.
@@TyranusRex721 You can lie to yourself all you want.....as you just demonstrated. But you cannot lie to the rest of us, nor the Creative Director of the Entire Frelling Warcraft Franchise....who is in control and ignoring it all as we the honest players want. So you remain wrong.
My reaction was: MY POOR SWEET BABY BOY!! oooh... My POOR SWEET BABY MAN?!!! 😢 Then it was uuuugh, why is Asmon in my head right now, "...Blizzard is one cinematic away..."
There's something strangely reflective about this trailer. For a person in power to feel guilt for past misdoings, only for a former ally/enemy to encourage them towards redemption and a new beginning, really has a whole new weight to it when compared to the history between blizzard and it's fanbase.
You're thinking too hard about this. That's a cool thought, but it makes me think of similar comparisons people made to the trailer where Saurfang found Thrall. People thought it was an apology and a new direction for Blizzard. It wasn't.
I know tons of people hate on anduin because he's not just beating people to death with a hammer every second of the day... BUT i think the character is so incredibly deep, especially after everything he went through in Shadowlands. hes becoming one of my favorite characters.
Every cinematic from now on should be the same quality and style. If they aren't I will be disappointed. Sorry Blizzard but you're gonna need to cough up that dough and continue making cinematic like this one. There's no going back. Fucking phenomenal. I can't believe how amazing this cinematic is. I've watched it so many times. It's very well directed, the people who worked on it should be very proud. This cinematic should win some film awards, maybe like an award for best video game cinematic or something. I don't know what awards they have anymore, seems like there's an award for everything.
That's not Azeroth's world soul calling out to Anduin and Thrall and i don't base that claim on its fiery appearance alone. The only lore i ever gave any credibility about Azeroth's creation myth is the Tauren lore, with their tales about An'she. Mu'sha and Lo'sho. This world is not only "a prison" it's also a giant battery powering "something" with our anima and chances are that something has everything to do with "the titans" respective "the constructs" they all probably really are, just like the Jailor, robots part of a conspiracy we will find difficuilt to comprehend (Chris Metzen). Azeroth is long gone and Sargeras plunged his Sword into the planet to stop that cycle and possibly siphon An'she's power/light into the sword(mourneblade). The Jailor said in one of the SL cinematics "Death comes for the soul of your world", but as we all know now, he was merely a construct programmed to say that. in short this world is a giant battery with An'she and Mu'sha at either end of the poles. Our souls (the anima) are the electrons floating towards Mu'sha powering "something" or "someone". We have zero clue what the world around us really looks like since an artificial veil that Sylvanas managed to pierce at one location is blocking our view.
Ended 2019 bright eyed believing in hope and peace. Ending 2023 broken, gaunt, beaten and devoid of hope Anduin enters the halls of Literally me frfr charcaters.
I love Anduinn... Thanks to HIM the Horde was not dismantled at the end of Pandaria. I don't think we could've fought off the Burning Legion without the Horde. Or N'zoth for that matter. But he needs to stand on his own two feet. Everything he's done in the game it felt like it wasn't him. At Shadowlands both Variann and Sourfang were there. On Legion, Varian was there too before he accepted the sword. And now it seems that Thrall will be the one to push him in the right path with maybe Jaina. He needs to be tested and he needs to come out on top on his own. He needs to leave everyones shadow. That being said the man's curriculum is IMPRESSIVE. Brokered multiple peace treaties, stopped the dissolution of the horde, was a driving force to stop Garrosh, lead the alliance agaisnt the Legion and broke free of the Jailer's dommination. At this point i think only Thrall has done more than him
I disagree with Nobbel on the "epicness" part. In the epic-fantasy or high fantasy genre, the epic moments do not just occure during war times or in the/aftermath of the battles. When this subject comes and I need to make myself clear, I always give this scene from LOTR as an example: th-cam.com/video/PfhZB7rQ7iA/w-d-xo.html The scene and conversation between Anduin and Thrall could be articulated way better, it could be way intense or it could be done in a way to invoke emotions within us. But as it is, conversation is very basic, we don't really get emotional and Anduin's supposed "doubt" goes away in seconds. It feels unrealistic, it does not immerse the viewer.
The cinematic looks amazing. But the narrative itself is extremely doubtful; I would not say that Anduin did something incredibly vile while under the control of the Jailer. And the severe depression disappears literally instantly, after exchanging a few words with Thrall. I hope they prepared something better.
im so glad that so many people never encountered real and hard trauma in their time on earth. Just as an idea. Anduin is a child, grows up without a mother(he only hears how awesome she was) and a father that fights depression and the vanishes. gets kidnapped by a dragon, later made a child hostage by dark iron dwarfs while in IF. has a father that returns with anger issues and nothing he does is good enought for Varian, until Malfurion helps him out of his trauma. Gets allmost killed by an psycho ork warchief and needs long time to heal like all brocken bones. Finally makes up with his dad (and then dad dies) And now as a Teen/young adult has to shoulder all that was his larger then life dad did. (and Varian had big shoes to fill) Has to go to battle as a young adult/teen and fight a crazy spycho zombie elf , starts to like saurfang and see another father figure in a way die. gets taken hostage in shadowlands and forced/tortured to do stuff he doesnt want and at the same time your personality and soul ripped to pieces. And now he suffers and has all the (in the animation) signs of ex soldier/torture victims PTSD signs and still everyone calls him a B. (imagine this is the way all Army Veterans feel and nobody gives a damn about them in the end, because MAN up men cant and arent allowed to suffer and show it) I know how this feels and especially the nobody cares part......
Poor Anduin having his first person experience with vietnam flashbacks. They really made PTSD of his bring out the character. The amount of weight he was put on as a king of Stormwind and other responsibilities.
@@Valfara770 That and on top you have the Domination from the Jailer, trapping him in his own body, forcing him to see and feel what he did (or tried to do). That alone would break basically anyone.
This is so well done! I have been playing since vanilla and even I have a hard time sometimes with the story line but videos like this really does help so much! Thank you for this!!!
WoW is dead to me. Only corporate greed that blizzard releases, no more good storylines and soulcrushing grind (or waiting for the catch-up mechanic if you don't want to waste month of your live).
Once Blizzard drop the Disney PG nonsense and get back to the dark stuff it will be complete. Because they are ramming woke shite down our throats all the time it won't happen. It's all rainbows and love ins with them now
Its funny and sad to see Thrall so old looking. He is around 40 years old and while Anduin should be 25. Both looking really old. For Orks its kinda ok because they age differently and its cool to see Blizzard staying true to the lore. Anduins trauma really did age him alot.
The only gripe i have with the cinematic (besides the oopsie they did in the flashback of Anduin and Varian, Anduin not having long hair) is Silithus looks too normal, like the real world. Back when i played it was one of my favorite zones because it was rough and alien like, the place always felt creepy and cursed. In this they didn't capture the other worldly vibes that actually comes from that place in game. I get that they wanted a calm scene for the scene between Anduin and Thrall, but they missed the opportunity to really bring the actual Silithus to life, it being one of our only chances to see in game worlds on a bigger screen. Maybe they had him sitting at the more sandy dune areas that looks more normal but still i would have wanted to see the bug hives and creepy amber skies associated with that place, i appreciate the crusty side of things. At least have the area the sword's at be amber hued and briming with wind!
This announcement cinematic is the weakest for sure. This is more of a story cinematic, like in BFA. Announcement cinematics gotta have more action, that's how it's always been. I mean, compare this to the BFA announcement cinematic, yikes.
I only like the new cinematic after watching this lore explanation. I guess that is the main problem, if you're not keeping up to the lore, the new cinematic don't hype you up much..
I wish something happened during the cutscene except Thrall and Anduin having alzheimers about there being a titan baby in the planet, didnt thrall literally talk to azeroth??
I had a few paragraphs type out then my pc crashed so I just gonna put the tldr; the primals were right, the titans are the bad guys and by proxy so are we, and when azaroth wakes the planet is done for as is all life on the planet. That's just how I feel, thorts, opinions, contradictions please discuss.
my god the CGI on anduin is absolutely ridiculously good. He looks real. The emotion they put into his face is just... unbelievable.
Asmongold hated it
@@shadowzach00 Asmongold seems to hate everything these days
@@shadowzach00 doesn't mean I gotta hate it too just because he does.
@@shadowzach00 Completely wrong information - Asmon said the CGI was absolutely amazing and superb, he didn't like Anduin bitchin and crying.
@@shadowzach00don’t care. Me see fancy pretty thing.
The idea that some people don't know who thrall is is making my head spin. Not in incredulity, but just realizing how long he's been in the background.
crazy aint it?!
I just thought the same, with a strange feeling of "Have I became that old, that it has to be explained who Thrall is?" Craaazzzyyyyyyy!
man this reminded me how when we saw chris metzen again...i forgot how it had been a while and he just looked so much older than i remembered XD
I hope they retcon everything from bfa to dragonflight the same way they tried to retcon metzens ideas 😅
Just wanna say I really appreciate the videos you put out on the lore and I especially appreciate that you take the time to recap past events instead of assuming everyone already knows everything. Been watching your content since 2014. You're the man, Nobbel.
I really hate people complaining about how Anduin feels and acts like. They have such a toxic view on masculinity it feels, that they can't let a man be depressed or struggle with PTSD.
Emotional maturity is at an all-time low. Welcome to the tiktok generation.
men complain that their mental health struggles aren’t taken seriously and then proceed to be the biggest parts of their own problems lol. so frustrating to see.
@annaborchion9285 Keep in mind that many of the the same people shaming men for not taking mental health seriously are also propagating an ideology that views men as the root of all societal ills. Its difficult to take them seriously on the things that they are right about when they simultaneously perpetuate that mental crisis with their ideology.
It is tough, for sure. I think it is important to Keep in mind that many of the same groups ridiculing men for not taking mental health seriously are also propagating a set of ideas that views men as the root of all societal ills. Its difficult to take them seriously on the things that they are right about when they simultaneously perpetuate that very same crisis with their ideology.
It's a lot like war profiteering. Creating conflict so that you can create solutions to the conflict, but if anyone is able to see what you're doing, they won't take you seriously when you day how horrible the conflict is.
It's trama it just proves that people never experienced it In there lives before because if they have they wouldn't be talking shit
Thrall pushing his chest against the blade to stop it from shaking was such a great bit of cinematography. And a really clever bit of character writing. I don't know if something like that would actually work in real life, but when watching it play out, I firmly believed it worked in that moment. Anduin, shaking and lost, and then Thrall, without even touching him, stabilises his shaking hand. It was a beautiful moment. I've not been following the story much recently, but that cinematic was fantastic.
Absolutely! Highlight of the cinematic for me!
Been a fan of warcraft since wc3.
Seeing Metzen back on stage put a smile on my face!
I've played since BC (2008) and *I* got excited to see Metzen.
I cried a little bit when Metzen got on stage with that presentation. Just takes you back to the good days, hopefully everything will be on the up from here forward.
He was hired to pick up sales and be the hype man 😂
@@omensoffatemust suck being so miserable. 😢
@@youngcracker9517They're not exactly wrong. Metzen was only brought back to try to bring people back to WoW because numbers (allegedly) aren't great. I'm happy Metzen is back and think the writing will improve, but they didn't do it for the love of Warcraft.
I actually made a parallel between Thrall and Anduin on reddit and it caught a lot of attention. The connection i made here was, Thrall lost his shamanistic abilities after slaying Garrosh, Doomhammer went quiet, the elements he could no longer hear, he lost his power, due to his own inner conflict, and doubt. Anduin has much the same, he admitted he has no light, and he's not that person anymore. Again.. i think it's a self doubt and inner conflict thing. I think blizzard likes doing throwbacks in cinematics to get people hyped, that's all. But i think this is more about.. Thrall relating to Anduin.
I somewhat agree, but he used Astral Recall? at least, the colors of the icon in game were depicted in the cinematic. of the two, Green Jesus is the one who specifically touches the ground & gets hit with a vision, as opposed to Andu who closes his eyes. they both receive the 2nd vision afterwards, but the initial contact of Thrall’s hands on Azeroth’s ground felt v shamanistic. perhaps it’ll be a theme of stepping back into power for these big names? or finding something new altogether via “Hero Talents?”
@@hotlikesauceThrall got his shaman abilities back in Shadowlands.
That's a great point!
also very well represented having both of them at the center point of the cinematic since Thrall suffered his own war within and now Alduin is also suffering his own war within.
They like to toy with throwbacks, but also with internal topics and player psychology. Anduin and Thrall could technically, realistically be stand-ins for so many different levels of things.
8:16 love how Anduin repeats what Saurfang says in the Old Soldier cinematic.
The War Within is not only within Azeroth. Is within Anduin.
I like to think that Jaina knew exactly where Anduin has been, but Thrall whom has kinda went through a similar crisis of self character, kept telling her and others that Anduin needs time away to heal himself
Given that Jaina has been through some trauma herself (though not the same kind, obviously), I'd imagine she and Thrall would be the ones telling others to give him space while keeping tabs on him from a distance.
@@Beredaman08 yeah… that’s true. Anduin adopted parents lol
Given that Thrall is a shaman, he understands Anduin's pain. He was there to help him and comfort him
I also felt that Metzen threw out the old story team's ideas instantly :)). Essentially trying to delete shadowlands
Good
Metzen was still working on WoW during BFA and contributed to the Chronicle books. He was involved in setting all that up.
@@SuzakuX He was involved with every wow property and let things slip. And definitely was not part of shadowlands
Hes not deleting their old stories. Hes more like weaving them into his own. If he was throwing out their ideas out then Anduin wouldn't have PTSD from the Jailors domination. And wouldn't have callbacks to Shadowlands.
@farkas266 What is shadowlands? Never heard of it.
Oh snap this is Velens vision he had back when Anduin was a child.
No exaggeration, this cinematic was fantastic. Anduins face doesn’t trigger any sort of uncanny valley for me, and his face alone makes me feel for him
Alleria isn't getting visions from the World Soul at all. She is getting visions from the Void directly, trying to move her towards siding with Xalatath. That is why it is emphasizing the amulet of Iridikron in Knaifu's hand, and focusing on her (Knaifu) and the Nerubians. She even mentions that in her dialogue in the features trailer. The World Soul wouldn't and I believe couldn't individually target people right now outside of Magni. Alleria gets the knowledge of the visions from Turalyon, and he probably knows her visions, as they tend to share these things. It wouldn't make sense that suddenly Azeroth herself just goes "Hey Alleria, see these visions!" when everyone else can just barely hear her.
Yeah alleria be hearing the call from the void/different message as the others, that's what she says in the trailer. The part about visions/hearing voice for multiple people comes from the anne stickney wowhead interview: Anne Stickney: It's a part of the Saga. The World Soul is calling to people, and calling for a reason. And a lot of people have been hearing these words and these visions.
I don't play WoW but that was a great trailer, the graphics were amazing!! I hope the expansions will be triumphant for you guys! ♥
Thanks, I hope you win in real life :P
You made a great point about balance in storytelling. If all you have is action, you end up with dumb stuff like Michael Bay Transformers. If you have nothing but emotions, you end up with... Dragonflight. Action and emotional storytelling should compliment and support each other, not have one be a substitute for the other.
This is so true.
I like pepper, but if there's too much pepper in a dish it tastes bad.
you need action in an expansion reveal...it was utter garbage
@@neugassh3570 Why use the word garbage? Just say you don't like it. I was pretty disappointed that it didn't feature a "hook", like some action, but to call it trash is... come on.
@@hybridh9702 WoW isn't a drama though. So this comparison is entirely meaningless in this situation.
@@eyrindirkharneus3815 everything is drama : |
Guy in chat: I would like this if it wasn't done in Shadowlands.
... that's the point. Anduin has been hiding out for 3 years since escaping the Maw. He was tortured beyond all reason, forced to do abhorrent terrible things. The fact he is sane at all is a miracle, that's part of the point of this cinematic. To reflect on where Anduin's mind has been.
I would love for the throne of SW to be contested now. That there is now a faction within the alliance that is mad Anduin abandoned the throne and does not accept him back so easily.
They set up this awesome plurality of alliance leadership in legion: Greymane, Mekkatorque, that dwarf lady, etc
Then proceeded to never use any of them ever again. I'd really like to see the geopolitics of azeroth explored a little more, some clashing of values, that kind of thing.
i love politics i hope they do it, but i don't think they will. they seem to be setting up another epic adventure type story
He looks so cool in this, I kinda like that they're dealing with the issues of PTSD as well with him. You don't see that in video games very much.
I didn't go that far, i thought it was just extreme guilt. Like seeking atonement for causing something and feeling to be isolated as a self-punishment and believing that you're either not the same person anymore or don't deserve the reverence that was you based on the thing you did.
Anduin looks like he's suffering a bad case of PTSD. He hacked off his hair (you can see parts where his scalp shows through). Flashbacks, hypervigilance, isolating himself. It should be intriguing to see if he can truly pull himself together. Thank you for showing this and giving your insights into it.
Did people really ask the question of how he got there...in a world where teleporting magic is an everyday thing lol.
Every single time I hear Anduin's theme it gives me chills
Well put on a sweater homie.
Is it just me or does Anduin look exactly like Stephen Amell from the arrow tv show?
I thought the same the second I saw him
Anduin is stated to be 25 by the time Dragonflight takes place, so if we assume it follows the usual 1-year cycle, he'd be 26 in The War Within.
as someone also pointed out to me, Anduin even with all his doubts and fears, always had the Light to turn to, he believed that it's divine power would never fail him. but yet The Jailer was able to smash his barrier and capture him with ease, he probably begged the Light to come help him, to save him somehow, but the Light never answered, hence why he feels unworthy and without Light as he states in the Cinematic, since he ultimately had to save himself.
Quality of animation is ok but there is nothing actually there besides face of a guy who was forced to play Shadowlands and now suffers PTSD
Anduin in this cinematic had the internet collectively saying “I can fix him”, and I’m here for it.
Yes I am one of them lol
All he needs is a hot shower and some tea.
I disagree that Dragonflight is all emotions. Just because there's no pvp doesn't mean it's lacking in action. There's plenty of action in the form of the primalists. It may not burn as hot as all out war between the Alliance and Hoard does, but for the sake of balance, sometimes a slow burn is better.
Remember battle for Azeroth cinematic? a cinematic means nothing
This! so much this. The fall from hype to crushing disappointment was rough with that one.
Don't know why anduin thinks he has any reason to be all melancholic during shadowlands. All he did was kill dead people that were already dead. Better men than him have done way worse. Especially when he has a lot more to be proud of. Loser needs some self esteem.
The funniest thing to me is after rewatching the cutscene of Anduin picking up Shalamayne I remember that the Garothi world breaker has a protective face plate, cause Varian one-shot the prototype at the broken shore.
Anduin is a shadow priest now. Welcome to the emo club, friend.
"We need to address the sword! Who knows what the sword is about?"
"None of us were ever told what the sword was about!"
"Then bring me someone who was!"
*Enter Metzen*
Think about this cinematic on a meta level: Anduin represents the dwindling playerbase, and Thrall is Metzen.
Anduin's PTSD parallels players' alienation caused by the failed narratives of bfa, shadowlands, and dragonflight.
ThrallMetzen has returned to coax us back, promising better long term storytelling that's in the spirit of Warcraft and not Stephen Universe(Dragonflight)
Don't get me wrong, I do think the Daneuser writing team is going to keep writing dark girlbosses over and over (look at the Alleria teaser), but maybe they'll be nested in a more holistic story that Metzen can help them develop.
The sad thing is that girlboss characters can totally work. Look at Cersei, Marjorie Tyrell, Olenna Tyrell (from asoiaf)
The Dansnoozer writing team thinks that being a strong woman is a REPLACEMENT for characterization rather than one color in the tapestry. Case in point: DF's Alextraza and Vyranoth.
honestly.....id rather a TV series over an MMO at this point.......WoW has burnt me out after the last few xpacs.......but i always keep tabs on the franchise because i fell in love with the Lore of the World. Give me a Lo'Gosh Side-story and Arthas dealing with the Loraderon stuff. By the end of season 1 you would have covered a majority of the Alliance and even touched on the orc culture thru the Arena. Arcane, Fel, Undeath all of this couldve been slowly introduced instead of the 'assumption of knowledge' the movie had.....
I'm exactly like you! I love (most of) the lore in Warcraft. I was so hyped for BFA during the intro and prepatch days. But nothing lived up to the promise, I quit, skipped Shadowlands, all the shit happen, almost fell out of love with Blizzard entirely. Played about a week of DF and still didn't care. I love this cinematic but I remember BFA and I'm weary.
To me its just painfully awkward that liders of the world don't know about the world soul of Azeroth
The fact that Chris managed to convince even pyro to return to warcraft, says a lot.
I can only imagine how many more players will return as well.
But it's a huge risk. If they fail the first expansion, the rest of the franchise will officially die. 🤷🏼♂️
I agree, there is nuance in Anduin's situation, people who did not quit the game can see it more clearly or maybe just more empathic people. I love it
Metzen didn't rewind the clock Anduin is clearly dealing with what he went through in the Shadowlands. Like it or hate it and I know most hated it, Shadowlands happened and is canon. BFA happened and gave us old and wizened Thrall, and Dragonflight is a great expansion, not the best but clearly better than the previous two.
Steve Daneuser is punching the air right now with Metzen back LOL
He's lucky he not punching a pink slip with how badly he's been doing.
I was just watching other reactions and waiting on this. Yay I'm early for once
Did Anduin have plastic surgery? Your face doesn't change that much. Every time we see Anduin he always has to be crying.
A lot of people are saying Anduin looks like Chris Pine. I actually think he gives me more Stephen Amell vibes.
that sword scene was not from shadowlands....that was almost just like the lich king/arthas
One beard strand of Anduin in that cinematic has more polycount than a full WoW character model
my problem im struggling with is did anduin even do anything that bad?? when he was under the jailer its not like he *burned a world tree down* I don't understand why anduin is so distraught. I know people are prob sick of seeing sylvanas but she 100000% fits this cinematic better with thrall. We have the timeskip she's out of the maw because azeroth called its champions back and she sees thrall in silithus.
See I REALLY like these trailers but then you cut to the game and it's a goofy cartoon mess.
Loved this. Nobbel always made the story easier to follow. I am so happy you uploaded BOTH parts the reflection on it and your initial reaction live. Thank you
Have to disagree with you a bit on this cinematic, Nobbel: The Mannoroth cut scene is part of an in-game narrative and there the emotional stuff definitely has its place, but the Silithus cinematic is an extremely weird choice as *the* cinematic to promote an expansion. It's supposed to be a concise, exciting, persuasive hook to get people in and epic battles and fighting or introducing villains helps with that. I would have loved a cinematic on this quality level giving us a glimpse at what Xalatath and the Nerubians are actually up to as our introduction to the next expansion. Instead, we got a rather context-free conversation between two guys standing in the desert and talking about their feelings. This kind of scene belongs in an "Old Soldier" stye narrative, not out front as promotional material.
There may be another. Shadowlands had the first one with Sylvanas and Bolvar, and closer to release showed the one with the Shadowlands zones and Covenant leaders.
Same and i thought Nobbel was fcking smoking on dizzing the Mannoroth cutscene.
Wha? I used it as an example of one of the best cutscenes they've done, what you smoking?!@@lordoblivion8038
Fair!
@SliyankaSilvereye I think you are missing the context of how the cinematic was intended. If you actually watched blizzcon where it was used, Metzen pre-emptively gave it context by saying that the epic fighting moments can start with a heartfelt small and tiny moment....then he said this cinematic was one such moment.
I think a LOT of people are so hung up on the Arthas/Anduin parallel (or even thinking Anduin is somehow Arthas's kid, bc we can't let characters just die apparently) buuut ... it's extremely obvious how they're casting Anduin as being so obviously the successor of Varok Saurfang (to the point that he's saying his lines from Old Soldier, and has the PTSD), I wonder how that's gonna play out.
Man I can't wait until Blizzard brings Arthus back
I think the Arthas parallel is more to do with how Anduin sees himself. He was corrupted just like Arthas was, forced to become a monster, and I suspect it's just his own guilt they show with that pose. He fears he'll become another traitor, another monster, because his stint as the Jailer's pawn, had him lose all faith in himself as a good person.
@@1Kapuchu100 oh ofc. I'm not saying some parallel isn't there but I believe it's kinda surface lvl compared to the Varian/Varok. Arthas wanted orcs dead since he saw them in an internment camp, while Anduin around the same age was holding down peace talks in Theramore.
They're both dominated but it's night and day how one basically sold his soul for it while the other one had to be dragged kicking and screaming.
I wonder if now that he lost the light he'll just go warrior
@@kch1303 I think it is more likely that he at least partly finds the light again. If you go by game terms he was always a discipline priest, not a holy one. I remember back in Pandaria he used mind control on one of his "keepers" so he could get away.
@@ThisistheTale they did that in Shadowlands
Your livestream audience are a bunch of kids trying to be edgy. Looked like an asmon stream in the corner
Thanks Nobbel. I can always count on you to catch me up. Well done on putting this together and getting us caught up, especially for those of us who got turned off after BFA. I got goosebumps from this cinematic.
Anduin looks like Cal Kestas from Jedi Survivor
I see. Lots of hate and vitriol towards the world of Warcraft story online but I always am pumped, Anduin being an adult now is just freaking cool in my opinion. We grew up with him, literally. I just don't like how negative everybody is about when wow changes. That's just the nature of the game, You can always go back to a past expansion.
War within hype war within hype
I think some people see emotion and video games and get all weirded out by it cuz they don't know how to express their own emotions so they just say "oh its a dumb storyline"
So is it just me or is it weird that Thrall says stuff like "Something ... Someone is calling out from the heart of the world" and "...but that sword was aimed at someone" . Also Anduin asking Thrall who is calling out to them?
It seems kinda obvious to at least suspect it is Azeroth (The titan) at this point so even if there is a plot twist later on shouldn't they just assume that it is Azeroth calling out or did both of them sleep through all of Legion and BfA to know about Azeroth?
No, I think you misunderstand. They are saying it seems unusual because Azeroth has never spoken to them before......and it is possible that other forces could use voices to trick them. So they are being careful about making wrong assumptions.
And indeed, you and I should also be careful about assuming it is Azeroth.....it is entirely possible that is a lie.
You are seeing this from our point of view, we have so much meta information that these characters don't have.
This is always a danger in story telling. If I write "Thrall broke into Anduins room and stole his water flask"
And later I write about Anduin wondering who took his waterflask, you will be like "Duh, it's Thrall!!!"
But these characters don't know about world souls and titans and all of that, not in the meta way we do.
@@Yattayatta Thrall doesn't know..... but Anduin undeniably and irrefutably and absolutely knows that Azeroth has a world soul inside it.... he was directly involved in the bad story of bfa with the heart chamber and azerite and the nipple robot wanting to drain that world soul of power. By all means, he should be skeptical that the voice he is hearing is that world soul....because we don't have enough information to confirm that or not, yet.
@@laertesindeed That makes zero sense what you are saying. If I have doubt that it is actually Azeroth I talk about how I have doubts that it is actually Azeroth calling and not act like I have no clue who it is.
Yes it might not be Azeroth but the conversation should be about if it is Azeroth or someone else. Both of them act like they have no clue who actually is within Azeroth (the planet). And it is pretty clear that Sargeras sword was aimed at Azeroth so Thrall acting like he has no idea who the sword was aimed at is also not explained.
@@Yattayatta How could they not know? The entire story of BfA was centered around Azeroth the titan sleeping withing who got wounded by the sword.
Unless you are claiming that the King of the alliance did not know that the champion of the alliance is trying to heal the world soul/titan that is leaking Azerite all over there is not a chance Anduin does not know this.
And Thrall would also have to be the biggest idiot to not know about it. It is not like Azeroth having a titan inside is at this point something that is hidden.
Warcraft is alive and well!
how long until you morons lay off the copium?
Judging how Dragonflight keeps going on sale, it says otherwise.
Yes, I love wow no matter what
For the Alliance !
Yeah that's why blizzcon hasn't sold out for the first time and interest continues to dwindle as blizz continues to expose their greed 😂
@@doomwolf7963slayed so many once I changed my night elf to orc from Bc before they took my Dark Lady💀🔥
God I miss legion …..I like dragon flight a lot but legion was great
The jailers theme played when they showed the sword, we cannot get away from this man
I really enjoyed the reveal and the cinematic.
I loved the cinematic, the quality is stunning! I like how they have aged Anduin, with the last several years of his life it would be lame if he didn't age because of it. I dont see what they are doing as really going back in time though, more like following up on story lines that were left in the dust and finishing them off or pushing them forward.
All the new stuff coming out is intriguing for sure.
this whole cinematic feels like metzen finishing up anduins sad arc in 2 minutes and then "but look at that EXPANSION ENTRANCE RIGHT THERE"
and honestly i feel thats a good thing
"No old friend, you've freed us all" man I still get chills when I see this cutscene.
I'm very cautious because I got burned in BFA. The cinematic and pre-patch were amazing, had so much promise. And then the main game was just meh and didn't deliver at all on the promise of the Horde-Alliance conflict.
I left during BFA, skipped Shadowlands and only play one week of DF. I don't know if I can ever go back even though I love some aspects of the lore.
I havent played since Mists of Pandaria. I do keep up with the expansion lore, and the music....oh Blizz Deities, the music 🥹🫶🤘 I will always roll a Death Knight.
@@karmaalstad5588 Rogue and DK for me. With a dash of Mage and Warrior.
Spell Chuckers, I mean Mages are fun.
Anduin ist such a fanfiction character, it hurts.
I'm calling it now. Sargares will be LAST TITAN! Azeroth will be something else.
Thrall got his hands on some Rogaine
I love Anduin's story it's been amazing so far and looks like it'll somehow get better and better.
Cinematic was beautiful & amazing. Once again shows the Cinematic team needs more funding & a larger crew to do more like this.
However, this cinematic. Was in my opinion, *Not* a expansion reveal cinematic. It was more of a high end patch cinematic.
It was beautiful & thoughtful, amazingly done. But where was the adrenaline & excitement? The call to battle, the call for the heroes to help.
I can't stress how amazing this cinematic was. But also it just felt lacking for an expansion reveal cinematic specifically.
It was a good teaser about the return of Anduin, but I hope they make a more action cinematic once we are closer to the release. Maybe featuring Xal'atath.
imo, since we know this is the start of a three expansion journey, it’s ok to start on more of a quiet, character focused tone. I imagine as the action ramps up in midnight and last titan we’ll get more action out of the characters. (I’m kind of ignoring dragonflight being a quiet tone the whole time bc it REALLY feels like a filler arc now)
I don't dislike Asmongold's take 70% of the time, but his bitching about "people having emotions" really threw me for a loop.
I know friends who've gone to war, and experience PTSD. I have PTSD from abusive relationships that still haunt me to this day despite being married to someone kind and caring, we don't get to put down that experience. Those feelings. Ever.
You hit the nail on the head when you put Grommash killing Mannoroth being epic, but also heart felt. That is what people expected from a "cinematic"
But I think, much like in BFA, that there will be a series of Cinematics that tell a story that ALL look incredible.
But seriously. Those dismissive of emotions, especially internalized struggles from constant suffering, need to hold their tongues now and then.
Shadowlands broke my soul for this game world and i just couldnt bring myself to buy dragonflight for any reason. Im PRAYING that this expansion is going to be good because Legion was probably my favorite of all time and diving back into the sword of sargaras and the void is something ive been aching for.
Metzen giving us three expansions as an apology for our last three expansions. So glad that man is back, you can tell the difference already.
Honestly the Grom killing Manneroth and the talk with Thrall is probably still my fave Warcraft cinematic.
That's a hard one! That one for sure but the WC3 Intro, the Tomb of Tal'Rasha in D2 or the BC and WotLK cinematics are definitely up there for me.
Sounding to me like those Ilgynoth whispers are finally coming to pass
I am fine dropping crap from Battle and Shadowlands, but can we keep Dragonflight? It is has been a really good expansion and the lore has been fantastic.
Sorry, but you are just wrong.
@@laertesindeed No. I think Dragonflight has been very good so far.
@@TyranusRex721 You haven't changed the situation at all..... so, you are just wrong.
Objectively. Irrefutably. Undeniably. Absolutely.... just wrong. It is inconsistent, contradictory, and violates all previous lore. From the elemental lords, to the titankeepers, to the dragon flights themselves.... it gets them all wrong and/or violates them completely. It failed. It is horrible. It is disgraceful and disgusting. Thankfully they did not happen and are being ignored.
@@laertesindeed Nope. They did happen. That is a fact and you pissing and shitting yourself saying they didn't will not change anything.
They are canon and Dragonflight is good. Cope.
@@TyranusRex721 You can lie to yourself all you want.....as you just demonstrated. But you cannot lie to the rest of us, nor the Creative Director of the Entire Frelling Warcraft Franchise....who is in control and ignoring it all as we the honest players want. So you remain wrong.
My reaction was:
MY POOR SWEET BABY BOY!!
oooh...
My POOR SWEET BABY MAN?!!! 😢
Then it was uuuugh, why is Asmon in my head right now, "...Blizzard is one cinematic away..."
Anduin == Obi wan no doubt
I thought the same!
am i the only one thinking Stephen Amell would be perfect as Anduin in a live action.. Henry Cavill as Arthas :)
There's something strangely reflective about this trailer.
For a person in power to feel guilt for past misdoings, only for a former ally/enemy to encourage them towards redemption and a new beginning, really has a whole new weight to it when compared to the history between blizzard and it's fanbase.
You're thinking too hard about this. That's a cool thought, but it makes me think of similar comparisons people made to the trailer where Saurfang found Thrall. People thought it was an apology and a new direction for Blizzard. It wasn't.
I know tons of people hate on anduin because he's not just beating people to death with a hammer every second of the day... BUT i think the character is so incredibly deep, especially after everything he went through in Shadowlands. hes becoming one of my favorite characters.
Anduin is so damaged and handsome, I must fix him.
Every cinematic from now on should be the same quality and style. If they aren't I will be disappointed. Sorry Blizzard but you're gonna need to cough up that dough and continue making cinematic like this one. There's no going back. Fucking phenomenal. I can't believe how amazing this cinematic is. I've watched it so many times. It's very well directed, the people who worked on it should be very proud. This cinematic should win some film awards, maybe like an award for best video game cinematic or something. I don't know what awards they have anymore, seems like there's an award for everything.
That's not Azeroth's world soul calling out to Anduin and Thrall and i don't base that claim on its fiery appearance alone. The only lore i ever gave any credibility about Azeroth's creation myth is the Tauren lore, with their tales about An'she. Mu'sha and Lo'sho. This world is not only "a prison" it's also a giant battery powering "something" with our anima and chances are that something has everything to do with "the titans" respective "the constructs" they all probably really are, just like the Jailor, robots part of a conspiracy we will find difficuilt to comprehend (Chris Metzen).
Azeroth is long gone and Sargeras plunged his Sword into the planet to stop that cycle and possibly siphon An'she's power/light into the sword(mourneblade). The Jailor said in one of the SL cinematics "Death comes for the soul of your world", but as we all know now, he was merely a construct programmed to say that.
in short this world is a giant battery with An'she and Mu'sha at either end of the poles. Our souls (the anima) are the electrons floating towards Mu'sha powering "something" or "someone". We have zero clue what the world around us really looks like since an artificial veil that Sylvanas managed to pierce at one location is blocking our view.
Ended 2019 bright eyed believing in hope and peace. Ending 2023 broken, gaunt, beaten and devoid of hope Anduin enters the halls of Literally me frfr charcaters.
I love Anduinn... Thanks to HIM the Horde was not dismantled at the end of Pandaria. I don't think we could've fought off the Burning Legion without the Horde. Or N'zoth for that matter.
But he needs to stand on his own two feet. Everything he's done in the game it felt like it wasn't him. At Shadowlands both Variann and Sourfang were there. On Legion, Varian was there too before he accepted the sword. And now it seems that Thrall will be the one to push him in the right path with maybe Jaina. He needs to be tested and he needs to come out on top on his own. He needs to leave everyones shadow.
That being said the man's curriculum is IMPRESSIVE. Brokered multiple peace treaties, stopped the dissolution of the horde, was a driving force to stop Garrosh, lead the alliance agaisnt the Legion and broke free of the Jailer's dommination. At this point i think only Thrall has done more than him
I disagree with Nobbel on the "epicness" part. In the epic-fantasy or high fantasy genre, the epic moments do not just occure during war times or in the/aftermath of the battles. When this subject comes and I need to make myself clear, I always give this scene from LOTR as an example: th-cam.com/video/PfhZB7rQ7iA/w-d-xo.html
The scene and conversation between Anduin and Thrall could be articulated way better, it could be way intense or it could be done in a way to invoke emotions within us. But as it is, conversation is very basic, we don't really get emotional and Anduin's supposed "doubt" goes away in seconds. It feels unrealistic, it does not immerse the viewer.
The cinematic looks amazing. But the narrative itself is extremely doubtful; I would not say that Anduin did something incredibly vile while under the control of the Jailer. And the severe depression disappears literally instantly, after exchanging a few words with Thrall. I hope they prepared something better.
im so glad that so many people never encountered real and hard trauma in their time on earth.
Just as an idea.
Anduin is a child, grows up without a mother(he only hears how awesome she was) and a father that fights depression and the vanishes.
gets kidnapped by a dragon, later made a child hostage by dark iron dwarfs while in IF.
has a father that returns with anger issues and nothing he does is good enought for Varian, until Malfurion helps him out of his trauma.
Gets allmost killed by an psycho ork warchief and needs long time to heal like all brocken bones.
Finally makes up with his dad (and then dad dies)
And now as a Teen/young adult has to shoulder all that was his larger then life dad did.
(and Varian had big shoes to fill)
Has to go to battle as a young adult/teen and fight a crazy spycho zombie elf , starts to like saurfang and see another father figure in a way die.
gets taken hostage in shadowlands and forced/tortured to do stuff he doesnt want and at the same time your personality and soul ripped to pieces.
And now he suffers and has all the (in the animation) signs of ex soldier/torture victims PTSD signs and still everyone calls him a B.
(imagine this is the way all Army Veterans feel and nobody gives a damn about them in the end, because MAN up men cant and arent allowed to suffer and show it)
I know how this feels and especially the nobody cares part......
We have been colleting his vagabond robes since July 🙂. Should be interesting to see where they take him.
Poor Anduin having his first person experience with vietnam flashbacks.
They really made PTSD of his bring out the character. The amount of weight he was put on as a king of Stormwind and other responsibilities.
I think he never really had sufficient time to grief for his father also since there was just responsibilty pilled up one after the other on him.
@@Valfara770 That and on top you have the Domination from the Jailer, trapping him in his own body, forcing him to see and feel what he did (or tried to do). That alone would break basically anyone.
Titan Azeroth about to be awakening. Voids will be next major enemy forces to be dealt with in the World Soul Trilogy.
This is so well done! I have been playing since vanilla and even I have a hard time sometimes with the story line but videos like this really does help so much! Thank you for this!!!
WoW is dead to me. Only corporate greed that blizzard releases, no more good storylines and soulcrushing grind (or waiting for the catch-up mechanic if you don't want to waste month of your live).
Once Blizzard drop the Disney PG nonsense and get back to the dark stuff it will be complete. Because they are ramming woke shite down our throats all the time it won't happen. It's all rainbows and love ins with them now
Its funny and sad to see Thrall so old looking. He is around 40 years old and while Anduin should be 25. Both looking really old. For Orks its kinda ok because they age differently and its cool to see Blizzard staying true to the lore.
Anduins trauma really did age him alot.
Anduin looks like Ragnar Lothbrok from the Vikings!
That's it I'm rolling Alliance
The only gripe i have with the cinematic (besides the oopsie they did in the flashback of Anduin and Varian, Anduin not having long hair) is Silithus looks too normal, like the real world. Back when i played it was one of my favorite zones because it was rough and alien like, the place always felt creepy and cursed. In this they didn't capture the other worldly vibes that actually comes from that place in game. I get that they wanted a calm scene for the scene between Anduin and Thrall, but they missed the opportunity to really bring the actual Silithus to life, it being one of our only chances to see in game worlds on a bigger screen. Maybe they had him sitting at the more sandy dune areas that looks more normal but still i would have wanted to see the bug hives and creepy amber skies associated with that place, i appreciate the crusty side of things. At least have the area the sword's at be amber hued and briming with wind!
Midnight Expansion we might just see Anduin vs Turalyon
This announcement cinematic is the weakest for sure. This is more of a story cinematic, like in BFA. Announcement cinematics gotta have more action, that's how it's always been. I mean, compare this to the BFA announcement cinematic, yikes.
I only like the new cinematic after watching this lore explanation. I guess that is the main problem, if you're not keeping up to the lore, the new cinematic don't hype you up much..
I wish something happened during the cutscene except Thrall and Anduin having alzheimers about there being a titan baby in the planet, didnt thrall literally talk to azeroth??
I had a few paragraphs type out then my pc crashed so I just gonna put the tldr; the primals were right, the titans are the bad guys and by proxy so are we, and when azaroth wakes the planet is done for as is all life on the planet. That's just how I feel, thorts, opinions, contradictions please discuss.