Tip I've found with seal and shine is after many tried methods, I do a "Mr Miyagi" (sp?) but wax on and off simultaneously. I start on the bonnet (or roof, any big panel) with dry cloth and two sprays on the panel. I then use the applicator in one hand to spread it and follow it with the buffing cloth in the other hand. I've found this doubles the working space of the product as the panel is big and any tiny excess goes into the cloth. Then subsequent panels get one spray as the cloth will progressively saturate. I've found this gives consistent results so for me, saves time, and product. Sometimes there's enough in the cloth to do the last panel or two with no spray needed. In my case, I was using too much and in warmer conditions (not hot) not talking into account weather/wind etc. Even their instructions are too much, I learned to use less than they suggest as they don't account for the cloth soaking product the longer you go on, and that we don't use two new cloths every panel or be able to bring the car indoors.
@Tyler Durden I like griots too, I have been testing it on a family members car and I like it better than tw seal&shine, i struggle with streaking using tw ceramic spray too but I'm hoping it will last longer than griot's 3 in 1.
I to have struggled with the turtle wax ceramic spray and seal and shine. I used a damp with water microfiber and it removed the streaking. It's hard not to think your removing the product but that's what the directions say to do. They do last awhile though.
Great advice Jon, personally only ever had streaking with Sealant sprays rather than a QD, TW Sealant was bad for streaking but with hard work I got it to go on evenly. I’ve stopped using it now though. I personally use AD Supersonic Nano Hybrid spray sealant and never had any issues with it, my biggest issue that I have come across is applying too much product in my humble opinion that’s the biggest problem, with a lot of these sprays less is more 👍
Geyon Wet Coat i have found does streak if you follow the manufacturers instructions. What i do is... immediately post wash. Wet one panel. Lightly spray wet coat onto panel. Use a microfibre to evenly spread it over the entire panel. Then immediately Jet wash that panel. Then move onto the next panel. It will then dry streak free. Plus you can be sure the panels are fully covered with the product. As opposed to the manufacturers method of spreading it over the car by means of a jet wash...
Had a nightmare with Meguiars XPress Spray Wax. Awesome gloss on cold panels but It absolutely does not like hot panels. Carrier evaporates so quickly that it just creates smears. CarPro ReLoad smears very easily too as soon as you use too much. I find the best detailing spray which is quick, easy, great protection, great gloss, use on all surfaces, and no smearing regardless of panel temps is the cocktail experienced detailers make and use ... CarPro ReLoad + CarPro Ech2o + distilled water. Never lets me down and consistent results! Beading is awesome. 👍🏽
Rather than have a product that lasts months and use it intermittently I just use them sparingly every wash as part of my towel drying time. I have started doing that since using Meguiares Hybrid Ceramic Wax which you're advised to apply to a wet car panel. I tend to just load my damp drying towel with product, dry the panel then buff with another dry towel or microfiber. You've just explained why it works so well for me. Thanks.
I have use the TW ceramic 3 in 1 detail spray. It is a streaking nightmare! What I have done to reduce the streak is having a spray bottle with just water. I use this bottle to knock down the streak, let me give you an example. I would spray this product on the panel, work it in with one cloth, then get another cloth and buff to perfection. If some streak remain, then I was use the spray bottle with water, mist it on the panel, and work it again. This usually work.
Had issues with Gyeon wet coat once or twice and I ended up using a detail spray which worked to a degreee to remove the streaking. However i worked out that it was a mix of poor application where I applied it to 1/2 of my car before rinsing , also the temperature was quite high so I'm guessing that's why. I still use the product predominantly during winter time and only ever 1 or 2 panels at a time. No issues since !
Great video, very informative and well explained. I’ve found I get streaking with this kind of product when I over use a micro fibre towel to wipe away the excess product so I end up with a damp microfibre. I try to make sure I have plenty of clean microfibres at hand that I can change to once the product starts to streak. Thanks
I had streaking with TW ceramic wax, used as per instructions, at least tried to and had a devil of a job to buff, found that I had to use a damp microfibre cloth to go over panel and then buff this seemed to work. It is hard work though
My favourite - Carpro Elixir - i’ve never had streaking problems with even on warm panels. Bilt Hamber QD i have had streaking with, def more prone to it at higher concentrations so knocked it down more and it’s a great QD. A damp applicator to spread it is a great tip - i tend to NEVER spray a QD onto the car, just apply. Much more controlled.
a lot of people find elixir streaky. BH QD I stopped using it for a while because I thought it was over streaky. I love the stuff now though I tend to use it closer to 10:1
Over the years I found that streaking issues came about because I didn't understand the products well enough to know that I was the problem, operator error as they say. To much product and or out in the sun with hot panels. Eventually I figured out that water was the great equalizer, I mean there is a reason they're water based. The bottles all say one to two sprays per panel, in other words, this was their way of telling us not too use much product. Great topic.
yer in the same way the products use water to make them more usable. We can utililse water in additional to this. water them down a touch or soak out the applicator a bit.
Perfect timing with this video! I used carpro elixir on my nardo grey TTRS last weekend and ran into trouble with streaking! I think it was combination on hot panels and using too much product but after doing more research I found that you only need one spray per panel etc.. will give it a go with correct technique next time.. great tips in this vid! Would you recommend leaving a slightly streaky finish and it will eventually dissipate over time? My car is ceramic coated also
As a decorator similar principles apply to paint, you adjust your working time by thinning or working out of the heat to allow the product to flow. This will help avoid brush marks.
First time I used Auto Finesse Aqua Coat, I applied too much and it streaked badly but stopped when I used less. I think you need to play around with some products to get used to how they work but that can also be part of the fun!
P&S Beadmaker has given me a few streaky sessions. Clean towels and buffing helps but find the streaking reduces over 72 hours. I think one of my flaws is over applying or accidentally applying a second stage on top of the layer which is already curing.
Yeah don't put it over Wolfgang deep gloss paint sealant. I put it on my black trans am and it made a big mess. Never seen anything like it. So far that's the only thing I've had trouble with using bead maker.
Had problems recently with Turtlewax ceramic 3 in 1 detailer, had to wet a microfibre towel and rewipe the panel then buff, got rid of the streaks but seams to streak as soon as I apply directly to the panel, if I apply the detailer to the cloth or applicator first then the problem reduces significantly,
Another common issue is trying to buff off with a non-absorbing plush towel. We're living in an age where our towels are becoming impregnated with highly hydrophobic materials too quickly. This affects drying as well as buffing water based products. As a result you get smearing instead of a perfect finish.
I have to say that I have used the majority of the products mentioned and the way I stop streaking is to apply whatever the product is with a damp microfibre cloth and immediately go over the panel with a damp almost wet microfiber cloth, then instantly dry with a dry microfibre . This I have learnt with hundreds of hours of applications and drying and that takes away the streaking . .minute one .
I've had products streak before but when it does happen, the logical response isn't to say 'oh well that's crap, I won't be using that again'... You go back, investigate, research - did I do something wrong, did I apply it at the wrong stage, did I not shake the bottle enough... ... There's a reason for everything and, most of the time, WE (as in the human element) are that reason! Great video Jon, excellent advice for solving these issues, as always!
I can relate to that for sure. but I do find myself turning to some of the methods I talk about in this video when it happens. 5 years ago I didnt really do that I would just bin them.
Great tips. Thank you. 🙂👍. The other day the sun came out before I had time to put down TW ceramic spray wax. The panels got very hot, so I sprayed product onto a damp applicator instead of the panels and used a good microfibre cloth to buff off. One section streaked- my fault, too much product- but your tip to wipe over with water soaked towel sorted it. Very relieved as it was my wife car!
Another important video good job Jon!, Cleaned my M3 E92 with the GT decon pre/wash like you said then finished with Koch FSE got rid of the hard water marks worked a treat thank man. You advised me to put a finish on it next week after a wash but i can't find any tac systems moonlight for sell anywhere, you got a tip on another simular product? no problems if not keep up the good work love your videos.
you can use Gyeon Can coat, or Adams Ceramic Spray, or Carpro Lite if you want to go a bit closer towards a full ceramic. moonlight will be back in stock with in2detailing soon I think.
Try using it with your drying towel when your car is wet then buff with another dry towel or microfiber. You'll be topping up more product every wash and won't add much to your drying time.
I just started with infinity wax rapid detailer. I had watched your video on koch chemie fse application which worked well so did the same with the rapid detailer. Waited for cooler evening conditions, put a little on a cloth, some on the panel, wipe it over then buff and it works very well:)
I use tach systems Shinee wax often, 95% of time I have no problems at all, but every now and then I get thrown a curve ball and a car will show streaks. I could of done 5 other cars that week in the same way and the 6th might decide to streak. I've found if I do a light mist of water from the hose (not jet wash) with 1 of those garden multi jet pattern spray guns, the finest must setting, then dry it with a towel the streaks gave gone. Don't know if this is a factor or its just in my head, tends to happen on older cars, say pre 2010 ish. Is it something to do with the way paint was then, baffling
Hi Mate, Great advise that I wish I had heard before I had my issue, I use Turtle Wax Hybrid Solutions Graphene Flex Wax. A brilliant product when used in the right way as I know now, my first application was done on a very detailed white car and it was excellent did not have an issue I applied inside my garage so went on great. Then about a month later I washed the car outside and attempted the 3rd method they mention on the bottle which is to spray 2 times on a panel and spread out using high pressure water and then dry. So being in Australia it can be hot even late in the afternoon and even though I thought it was cool enough it obviously wasn't as the next day I noticed streaking and high spots all over the car not horrible but enough to get my OCD into overdrive. So I tried tried a few methods but ended up lightly buffing the worst areas which finally worked, I now ALWAYS wet my applicator as you mentioned & also have a damp microfibre handy and use both when applying and fingers crossed have not had a repeat of the streaky effect, ty for your well spoken and explained video it is appreciated mate.
When we were in college we would "streak" around the campus....in the "buff". My boyfriend was a "carrier" of many an STD. You're right about being in "heat" when he would "wax on, wax off". Boy he would "spread on one cloth" and often the "first squirt" was more than enough. I always forgot about color when it came to my boyfriends. They never had a "dry applicator" though..... Thanks for the memories! Always interesting!!!
When I have a streaking issue with a sealant. I used some Collinite Wax over it when it is a cooler temperature, and the solvents in the wax usually remove the streaks. But hot temperatures are not your friend wait til car especially the hood or bonnet to cool down.
I have found that knocking down with IPA/Water mix works. Also dilution with water, for water based products. Don't work on dark colors if panel is hot unless you have no choice.
I'm very amateur and haven't had a problem with streaking. I always park my car in the shade for an hour before a wash, check every panel temp before washing and give a good pre rinse to help cooling. The problem I have had with Autoglym Polar Seal is that my metal roof bars and black plastic wheel nut covers hazed white and haven't ever really shifted.
Great video, Jon. I find the paint can sometimes make a difference? Not the colour, but the type of clear, I guess. My car was in an accident a few years back and all the left side panels were replaced and resprayed, as well as the hood and boot lid. Seal n' Shine goes on the right side extremely easily, while the rest of the panels streak like mad - even though they all receive the same care. They soak up the spray, kind of like single-stage would and I find I have to saturate one towel with product, buff a small section, and immediately come in with a bone-dry second one.
Another belting video pal 😃😃 I'm currently using seal and shine 1st coat, then D&D Si on top, you say you can water products down? Would it not affect the the performance of those products? I think the 2 are the dogs so don't want to 'weaken' them.
The car color can have an indirect impact. Dark colors gets hotter in the sun, so a white car's panels may not be warm enough to cause an issue but a dark blue one might be. Great video, as usual!
Could you please test Fusso coat classic with TAC shinee wax on top and see the result please. This would be the best budget durability/shine combination if it works well. Thanks
Great video ! Actually I'm having streaking issues with several QD/scellants, except ONE : CarPro Ech2O. Have you ever heard something like that ? The reason for the streaking with the other products is probably that I use too much products, AND I think that my buffing towels have become over-saturated with scellants over time. Do you think that an "APC bath" for these MF, before washing it, will solve this problem ? Thanks.
I got turtle Wax ceramic spray to try but i put it on pad then buff off no streaks and fast to do. I got there rinse wax coming and going do as u do one spray and rinse
This Video has a set of wise and valid tips for any product. Really good advice.... Pitty I watched it only after making a meal of applying/removing Sonax BSD from Panels which were too hot! Ended up like curdled milk... Doh!
It was my first time using a ceramic detailer on my black truck that I had a nightmare experience. I watched this video and decided user error was my issue. I started out using one cloth. I watched the video and then started using a drying cloth. Completely fixed my issue. Product was meguiars hybrid ceramic
Great video Jon, I've recently had a bad experience with my TW Ceramic streaking, I however think it maybe a result of something out with those products themselves tho, I had a motorbike accident there which has left me in crutches so once I'm better and the weather is good I'll be on it like a car bonnet, luckily for me I had just washed my car before my accident, so it's sat there for a few weeks not moved but still look good 😁😎👍🏻🏴
Slightly off topic but before watching the whole video I've seen a couple of comments regarding drying aids - my biggest problem with drying aids are the cost. A small bottle of drying aid can cost 16 quid! I get through one of them bottles after 2-4 washes. Is there any way around this ? Other than use less ofc. I'm using what I deem enough. 2017 black M3 comp. Average size family saloon car
Interesting 🤔 so how do I fix it now? cause my Megs hybrid ceramic application looks like garbage, especially on the trim and windshield, but I know that I did a garbage job of applying basically using a wet microfiber towel to apply it and didn't full buff off. So any idea what kinda solvent Im gonna need?
Same here, I applied the Meguires Hybrid ceramic detailer and it gave a streak nightmare! In tried all possible way to apply it properly but still giving me the same result. I will try the Bead maker.
Great video! Could you make a video on EZ car care products? I don’t get along with their “chrome liquid detailing wax” but I’ve seen great results on other cars! I have no idea what I’m doing wrong with it! Maybe it’s a case of non compatibility with coatings that I’ve previously applied to the car?
Shinee Wax - first time using it I HATED IT. It was streaky and tough to remove. Second time I loved it. First time I sprayed on the panel directly and left it on to long. Second time I sprayed on a microfiber and removed it quickly. I find the easiest detailer to put on and take off with zero chance of streaking is Infinity Wax Rapid Detailer.
I was using Bead Maker and no matter how I applied it I always got streaks and a haze that had to be polished off. This was on a black Jeep with cool panels in the garage yet a friend of mine uses it in his detailing business and has zero issues and I swear he uses way too much Bead Maker. I switched to Meguiar's D156 X-Press wax and it is lovely to work with and is super slick and glossy with no streaking (again on cold panels in a garage). I even tried to make it streak buy using too much product on a panel but nope... nothing. So I think for me I have found the spray wax I'll be sticking with.
some guys say Xpress wax can be streaky :) I honestly thing theres so many factors just like you say. maybe its compatibility with base product or paint type? Beadmaker for me was like very nice to work with.. yes theres some hazey marks you can call streaks but you just level them out and it flashes to clear gloss. I know Im not seeing what you saw though with the jeep though. ultimately I wanted to say in the video, its never wrong to try something else untill you are happy as well.
in fact lol Im scrolling down reading the comments and I read this " Vi Si • 3 hours ago Had a nightmare with Meguiars XPress Spray Wax. Awesome gloss on cold panels but It absolutely does not like hot panels. Carrier evaporates so quickly that it just creates smears. CarPro ReLoad smears very easily too as soon as you use too much. I find the best detailing spray which is quick, easy, great protection, great gloss, use on all surfaces, and no smearing regardless of panel temps is the cocktail experienced detailers make and use ... CarPro ReLoad + CarPro Ech2o + distilled water. Never lets me down and consistent results! Beading is awesome. 👍🏽!
@forensicdetailingchannel.. would you recommend polishing out a streaky finish or could you just leave it over time and it would eventually rectify itself? Say by the time you wash it next?
Nice tips. The BSD is the last product i used for my car detailing. I prefer one product with less durability but easy application than a more durable product with dificult application. I want to spent nice when i detail my car and not to look for techniks and tips and lesson on how to apply the X product.
I noticed after using a gyeon coating my phoniex eod I got streaking on my hood and roof. I know why not on all the panels I don't know lol. I used rinsless wash and then re apply and it seems okay. Can't explain it but I've just accepted it as the eventual results are awesome.
I have a Soft99 liquid version of the Fusso coat ( looks like milk but smells like petrol). It can be a pig to remove even after leaving it on for a short time, so I pour about 200ml into a normal 1ltr spray bottle and 600ml of rain water the rest. The result is now I can use it like a spraywax, or a wipe on wipe off product. I wouldn't use it to remove bird poo and for that, i'd use a proper cleaning QD. I had to experiment because at the beginning, i did a 50/50 mix and the sprayer would get blocked by the active ingredient.
What I've noticed, especially when applying a finishing detailer or sealant, is that my own sweat from my hand has a tendency to get onto the microfiber towels and causes additional problems. The fix is just to be sure to wear nitrile gloves during this stage of the process.
Jon James not sure if your guessing, but when you visit these sites its still no stock but thanks for suggestions, anyone else (apart from mailing from the US at over £40 !!)
Great advice fella... as ever! The only streaking ‘problem’ I’m having is in applying Gyeon Wetcoat, and I think the whole area of ‘rinse off’ products seem to sit outside of some of these rules - it’s not horrendous but any further advice would be greatly appreciated!
Hey Jon!!! I need your help. I love carpro elixir but it is soooo streaky and leave oily finish eventhough i apply it in night and cold panel. My basecoat is gyeon cancoat. What would you suggest me? How about diluting it 1:1?? Your answer is so meaningful for me. Have a good one!!
but next time you use it just slow down a bit. start on a wing. soak one microfiber towel in water wring it out so its damp. Have a pile of dry clean microfibers. Spray one mist onto the wing. spread the material around the wing. count to 10 slowly. then take clean cloth and buff it out. This should work. come back and tell me how you get on.
Forensic Detailing Channel that means a lot! Thank you for your quick response Jon. What you just told me was the method that i used last night. Additionally, i sprayed elixir on the damp towel, spreaded it on the wing slowly, then buffed it off with another plush towel. No matter what i did, i was not able to get a good looking job. Ps: I do not have this problem with carpro reload.
Forensic Detailing Channel Actually this is what does come to my mind. Maybe it does not like cancoat. I had exact same issue with tw ice seal and shine. And no, i do not have any other car to test on. Btw, thank you for your responds, i love your channel and your accent. Have a good one dear Jon!!!
Jon, Jennychem want to send you some products to review. I cannot find any details to contact you in any way, is it possible for you to Contact them or me to get some details over so that they can send some things for review. You will find me on FB as Mat John, profile pic is a blue car with beading. Mat
MEGUAIRES Hybrid ceramic wax, love the sealant and never had issues but now it streaks randomly or patchy when buffed off. Found that having a polish left on the panel like AG Super Resin or a spray wax helps to spread even and buff clean. Now slight dilution spray n wipe on a wet panel and rinsed off, dry and buffed seems to do it. Seems to layer well or maintained with CMX to push that SiO2 mirror with that TiO2 aid. Real fussy product but durable and desirable lol Australia
Do you ever get any issues with the roofing material in your garage causing issues with detailing ?. It looks like that bitumen stuff which has a sand like material embedded in it.
yes, if I prep a car and put it in, and theres strong winds I can get some dust falling down, so I need to check before resuming polishing the next day. but like I just do a quick ONR wipe over if im worried... its a cheap garage thats not air sealed but Im lucky to have a garage in the UK we dont get jack jones. land and house prices are a joke and the country is rammed full now so 99% of the buildings going in are the same sort of generic estates with small plots and everything compacted in. governments approving all these building requests so they can say they are doing good job of meeting housing demand but the roads are gridlocked etc.. :) oh jesus you got me started now :) Can tell I want to move from the UK cant you.
@@ForensicDetailing Ha, well your lucky you have a garage i guess. I dont. Just a 2 car drive. I suppose you could get a huge roll of Ploythene and cover the lower level of the beams. So giving you a sealed roof. Thus nothing to fall down from above.
I had streaking issues on my car using Griot’s Ceramic 3-in-1 Wax. After watching this, I realized I committed several mistakes when using it. 1. I had applied a carnauba wax two weeks earlier. 2. The panel was hot. 3. I probably should have tried to strip the previously applied wax but I just wash and Clayed the surface. 4. I sprayed straight on panel and applied too much thinking since the panel was hot I would apply more. Fail. 5. I had cheap microfiber towels that didn’t properly work for buffing and polishing. I contacted Griot’s customer support and the recommended specific microfiber towels and I bought them. I gave the car a though foaming and wash. Clayed the surface with one of Griot’s synthetic clay applicators. Late afternoon, applies the Ceramic 3-in-1 wax with ease. Used recommended 2 microfiber towels -No streaking. The technique is different but I think I got it. I even got brave enough to buy a DA polisher and color corrected my white truck first. I’m going to try another vehicle and let my black paint be my third vehicle using the polisher. Thanks for the great content. I’m subscribed to your Chanel.
I started on the old style £7 turtle wax "hardshell" pastepaste (I didn't know any better and still no idfea what that consistency of it is). It was horrible to handle, horrible to work with, in all conditions. So if Jon's fixes don't resolve for you check those words aren't on the label of the product in your hand. Great workout though and the finish in the end was good. I used all of it before I tried SImoniz carnubra liquid wax - I had massive issues with using multiple methods, type of cloths, multiple microfibres. Gave up on that on the third try. So I stopped going to Halfords and watched/read reviews this time - something had to be good for a beginner. Seal and shine when it was new, was and still is my favourite of all the things I've bought for detailing - i have a method of working it now. Not even trying any others, this is perfect for me. Sidenote: You mention diluting products, John. Perhaps a video or a section in one showing some examples of ones you've had success with and/or then used for a different application? (I noted the blue meguiars liquid wax you mentioned recently and i use the 1:4 iso-panel wipe already).
that hardshell paste wax jesus that is proper old school not overly keen on that. That actually beds down more than streaks and its hard to buff the excess off. I think they should defunct that product personally but they prolly sell tons of it.
@@ForensicDetailing Its for the reasons I bought it and you describe Im sure. I found i needed "something" so like everyone who knows nothing about cars, I went to halfords and picked something from a brand I'd heard of (I looked at a tub of it at the top of our cellar steps for two decades greowing up) it was cheap, so if it was rubbish its only a few quid, and i could buy it there and then. And its a big tub so it lasts. To a general consumer like me back then would think it's good because it DOES looks better than nothing as that's their only frame of reference and how it "works" must be how they all work. So in two years time they buy another because it met their expectations. It's a one-off purchase and inexpensive product for the masses for sure.
A lot of people don't realise as well. If you dilute your products always use purified or distilled water. I buy a 1.5 litre bottle of evian and mix it with any of my go to products and they work a dream
I always wait for the car to cool down. Even cleaning your windshield with window cleaner will streak on hot day. btw, my wife thinks I'm nuts for washing and treatment on a cloudy day. Lol thanks for the great tips as always.
I think I have always made an error I sue fse to get the water marks off but then I’m never sure if I can put turtle wax seal and shine over the top. Logically I think the answer is no as I’ve assumed conventional logic was to put the longest wearing product at the bottom but clearly you can in this example????
answer is no. because FSE leaves like a layer of PDMS or think like shiny gloss material but its not a durable bonding form of PDMS, so really it will effect seal and shine. you can do it of course wont be the end of the world but the sealant wont bond properly and durability will be reduced.
Forensic Detailing Channel agreed but then there appears to be a gap in the market for something that addresses the water marks but leaves long lasting protection it’s something I’ve never been able to address
Very informative John, it all seems like common sense however if you run into it you may wonder hmm is this product any good right while it was just you causing it. Good to go over this topic :)
Colour could have an effect.... a black panel will be hotter than a white, or even red, panel even on a mildly warm day and a product could react differently due to that heat difference
Used turtle wax spray sealant, as i run out of bilt hamber qd. The T wax was utter junk, and i gave it away. To be fare i dont think it liked the b h double speed wax thats on the car. Anyway Qd back in my hands which I adore.
its crazy the varience in different experiences. Ive never had any issues with TW spray sealants, only the detailer. But I did have issues with BH. but now Im back in love with BH QD again. Im also a little bit out of love with double speed as well since the ghosting issue. its a summer thing :)
Anyone in detailing seen any definite confirmed uk stock of carpro perl ? Tried couple of suggestions in thread yesterday but still saying out of stock. Thanks
Turtle wax ceramic hybrid spray hot day streaked like mad, discovered solution was to buff off with a damp microfibres cloth. A lot of mumbling prior to discovering this.
its super concentrate by using a wet microfiber you basically thin it and make it easier to form the film. once you have a good thin layer it should flash back to no streaks.. if it goes on thick and the carrier dries gonna be streaky really.
see if i can make it simpler try to buff the product in to the panel but the product stay on the panel is that simple explanation ?: and in mi case was to much product.20 years ago.don t if it is that long i had turtle wax original liquid and the lid was a big hole same for hot wax and i used to much wax end up a pain the rear behind to buff it off but the product some of the stay on the panel and the less product in mi experience easier is to buff in the panel
Jon, you're absolutely right. Another great video BTW! Greetings from Canada, where I earn a living doing this stuff. If you don't think of yourself as a pro as well, please think again - your knowledge is way WAY up there and it's fabulous that you share it with your viewers. I've had very good luck with Chemical Guys VO7 (not saying it's the best but it has never failed to impress) as a Last Step Product and as you say, wipe on (with a LIGHT coating ON MF!) and wipe it off right away with an unused section of MF cloth. Just wondering if I might ask you a Q regarding your take on the new Flex XCE 10-8 125 vs the Rupes Mille - I'm shopping for a forced rotation machine and you've tried out both, whereas I don't have access to either one without actually purchasing. Thanks in advance if you care to share : - ) I understand your affinity toward the excellent Flex line as you are invested in their battery tech but aside from their PXE 80 which I own, I don't mind going CORDED with the bigger Flex 125 machine. (I already have a Rupes first generation and it stalls jut LOOKING at it - exaggerating a bit to make light of it : ) Cheers!
Yo David, Its flex for me. Its a bit lighter and more compact. I am baised as Ive had a lot more time with the flex forced rotation machines and I sort of love the feel of them on the panel. The rupes felt a bit strange to me. I am not a fan of the rupes cutting pads either. I just prefer the flex system. But the mille has better cooling and with a smaller throw it may well be smoother although it runs at a faster range which might disguise that. The rupes certainly feels well made and solid. I would almost say if you are rupes fan try the mille. But I prefer the flex. (if your on a budget the makita forced rotation is superb)
Funny how V07 felt like a scam while using it. Paid a fortune for 500mL, kept streaking (black car so highly visible) and never made me look at the paint and thinking this is impressive. Also don't like the way they advertise is, it's a sealant and a quick detailer, and a clay lub (you would be quite a baller using it as a clay lub for that price). At the moment i'm using done and dusted from bouncer, uk product might not be available everywhere, and it's the best i've used. That's litteraly a fool-proof product, i can't imagine anyone having issue applying it. It looks great, the beading is surprisingly good for a few weeks, and it's 12$.
TW Seal and Shine I find can streak. Also recently found TW Ceramic Spray generally quite hard work to apply, some streaking and snagging on removal.
Tip I've found with seal and shine is after many tried methods, I do a "Mr Miyagi" (sp?) but wax on and off simultaneously. I start on the bonnet (or roof, any big panel) with dry cloth and two sprays on the panel. I then use the applicator in one hand to spread it and follow it with the buffing cloth in the other hand. I've found this doubles the working space of the product as the panel is big and any tiny excess goes into the cloth. Then subsequent panels get one spray as the cloth will progressively saturate. I've found this gives consistent results so for me, saves time, and product. Sometimes there's enough in the cloth to do the last panel or two with no spray needed. In my case, I was using too much and in warmer conditions (not hot) not talking into account weather/wind etc. Even their instructions are too much, I learned to use less than they suggest as they don't account for the cloth soaking product the longer you go on, and that we don't use two new cloths every panel or be able to bring the car indoors.
@Tyler Durden I like griots too, I have been testing it on a family members car and I like it better than tw seal&shine, i struggle with streaking using tw ceramic spray too but I'm hoping it will last longer than griot's 3 in 1.
I to have struggled with the turtle wax ceramic spray and seal and shine. I used a damp with water microfiber and it removed the streaking. It's hard not to think your removing the product but that's what the directions say to do. They do last awhile though.
Great advice Jon, personally only ever had streaking with Sealant sprays rather than a QD, TW Sealant was bad for streaking but with hard work I got it to go on evenly. I’ve stopped using it now though. I personally use AD Supersonic Nano Hybrid spray sealant and never had any issues with it, my biggest issue that I have come across is applying too much product in my humble opinion that’s the biggest problem, with a lot of these sprays less is more 👍
Geyon Wet Coat i have found does streak if you follow the manufacturers instructions. What i do is... immediately post wash. Wet one panel. Lightly spray wet coat onto panel. Use a microfibre to evenly spread it over the entire panel. Then immediately Jet wash that panel. Then move onto the next panel. It will then dry streak free. Plus you can be sure the panels are fully covered with the product. As opposed to the manufacturers method of spreading it over the car by means of a jet wash...
My experience as well.
Doing it this way also increases durability 👍
Had a nightmare with Meguiars XPress Spray Wax. Awesome gloss on cold panels but It absolutely does not like hot panels. Carrier evaporates so quickly that it just creates smears. CarPro ReLoad smears very easily too as soon as you use too much. I find the best detailing spray which is quick, easy, great protection, great gloss, use on all surfaces, and no smearing regardless of panel temps is the cocktail experienced detailers make and use ... CarPro ReLoad + CarPro Ech2o + distilled water. Never lets me down and consistent results! Beading is awesome. 👍🏽
Rather than have a product that lasts months and use it intermittently I just use them sparingly every wash as part of my towel drying time. I have started doing that since using Meguiares Hybrid Ceramic Wax which you're advised to apply to a wet car panel. I tend to just load my damp drying towel with product, dry the panel then buff with another dry towel or microfiber. You've just explained why it works so well for me. Thanks.
I have use the TW ceramic 3 in 1 detail spray. It is a streaking nightmare! What I have done to reduce the streak is having a spray bottle with just water. I use this bottle to knock down the streak, let me give you an example. I would spray this product on the panel, work it in with one cloth, then get another cloth and buff to perfection. If some streak remain, then I was use the spray bottle with water, mist it on the panel, and work it again. This usually work.
I basically do the same, but instead of spraying water with a bottle I use a wet/damp microfiber. Works well!
Had issues with Gyeon wet coat once or twice and I ended up using a detail spray which worked to a degreee to remove the streaking. However i worked out that it was a mix of poor application where I applied it to 1/2 of my car before rinsing , also the temperature was quite high so I'm guessing that's why. I still use the product predominantly during winter time and only ever 1 or 2 panels at a time. No issues since !
Biggest cause of streaking
1 User error
2 Hot panels
3 Using in direct sun
not an issue for Xpress wax from detailer range
Great video, very informative and well explained. I’ve found I get streaking with this kind of product when I over use a micro fibre towel to wipe away the excess product so I end up with a damp microfibre. I try to make sure I have plenty of clean microfibres at hand that I can change to once the product starts to streak. Thanks
I had streaking with TW ceramic wax, used as per instructions, at least tried to and had a devil of a job to buff, found that I had to use a damp microfibre cloth to go over panel and then buff this seemed to work. It is hard work though
My favourite - Carpro Elixir - i’ve never had streaking problems with even on warm panels. Bilt Hamber QD i have had streaking with, def more prone to it at higher concentrations so knocked it down more and it’s a great QD. A damp applicator to spread it is a great tip - i tend to NEVER spray a QD onto the car, just apply. Much more controlled.
a lot of people find elixir streaky. BH QD I stopped using it for a while because I thought it was over streaky. I love the stuff now though I tend to use it closer to 10:1
Forensic Detailing Channel always found Elixir really nice to work with - not using too much really helps with it. But at £16 a bottle you don’t !
Never had you down as a streaker.
Over the years I found that streaking issues came about because I didn't understand the products well enough to know that I was the problem, operator error as they say. To much product and or out in the sun with hot panels. Eventually I figured out that water was the great equalizer, I mean there is a reason they're water based. The bottles all say one to two sprays per panel, in other words, this was their way of telling us not too use much product. Great topic.
yer in the same way the products use water to make them more usable. We can utililse water in additional to this. water them down a touch or soak out the applicator a bit.
Perfect timing with this video! I used carpro elixir on my nardo grey TTRS last weekend and ran into trouble with streaking! I think it was combination on hot panels and using too much product but after doing more research I found that you only need one spray per panel etc.. will give it a go with correct technique next time.. great tips in this vid! Would you recommend leaving a slightly streaky finish and it will eventually dissipate over time? My car is ceramic coated also
Best to buff to complete shine imo
i live it hot south florida, and i always spray directly onto my microfiber applicator, and never spray directly onto the panels.
As a decorator similar principles apply to paint, you adjust your working time by thinning or working out of the heat to allow the product to flow. This will help avoid brush marks.
First time I used Auto Finesse Aqua Coat, I applied too much and it streaked badly but stopped when I used less. I think you need to play around with some products to get used to how they work but that can also be part of the fun!
P&S Beadmaker has given me a few streaky sessions. Clean towels and buffing helps but find the streaking reduces over 72 hours. I think one of my flaws is over applying or accidentally applying a second stage on top of the layer which is already curing.
Yeah don't put it over Wolfgang deep gloss paint sealant. I put it on my black trans am and it made a big mess. Never seen anything like it. So far that's the only thing I've had trouble with using bead maker.
Had problems recently with Turtlewax ceramic 3 in 1 detailer, had to wet a microfibre towel and rewipe the panel then buff, got rid of the streaks but seams to streak as soon as I apply directly to the panel, if I apply the detailer to the cloth or applicator first then the problem reduces significantly,
im testing this out at the minute in a big detail spray line up stay tuned.
ive had a break from detailing for the past month and im rev'd up and ready to detail again xD
Another common issue is trying to buff off with a non-absorbing plush towel. We're living in an age where our towels are becoming impregnated with highly hydrophobic materials too quickly. This affects drying as well as buffing water based products. As a result you get smearing instead of a perfect finish.
I have to say that I have used the majority of the products mentioned and the way I stop streaking is to apply whatever the product is with a damp microfibre cloth and immediately go over the panel with a damp almost wet microfiber cloth, then instantly dry with a dry microfibre . This I have learnt with hundreds of hours of applications and drying and that takes away the streaking . .minute one .
I've had products streak before but when it does happen, the logical response isn't to say 'oh well that's crap, I won't be using that again'... You go back, investigate, research - did I do something wrong, did I apply it at the wrong stage, did I not shake the bottle enough...
... There's a reason for everything and, most of the time, WE (as in the human element) are that reason!
Great video Jon, excellent advice for solving these issues, as always!
I can relate to that for sure. but I do find myself turning to some of the methods I talk about in this video when it happens. 5 years ago I didnt really do that I would just bin them.
Great tips. Thank you. 🙂👍. The other day the sun came out before I had time to put down TW ceramic spray wax. The panels got very hot, so I sprayed product onto a damp applicator instead of the panels and used a good microfibre cloth to buff off. One section streaked- my fault, too much product- but your tip to wipe over with water soaked towel sorted it. Very relieved as it was my wife car!
Another important video good job Jon!, Cleaned my M3 E92 with the GT decon pre/wash like you said then finished with Koch FSE got rid of the hard water marks worked a treat thank man. You advised me to put a finish on it next week after a wash but i can't find any tac systems moonlight for sell anywhere, you got a tip on another simular product? no problems if not keep up the good work love your videos.
you can use Gyeon Can coat, or Adams Ceramic Spray, or Carpro Lite if you want to go a bit closer towards a full ceramic. moonlight will be back in stock with in2detailing soon I think.
@@ForensicDetailing Appreciate it, thank.
Done and dusted si on my black car looks great. No streaks but only lasts a couple of weeks.great video jon
Try using it with your drying towel when your car is wet then buff with another dry towel or microfiber. You'll be topping up more product every wash and won't add much to your drying time.
I just started with infinity wax rapid detailer. I had watched your video on koch chemie fse application which worked well so did the same with the rapid detailer. Waited for cooler evening conditions, put a little on a cloth, some on the panel, wipe it over then buff and it works very well:)
I use tach systems Shinee wax often, 95% of time I have no problems at all, but every now and then I get thrown a curve ball and a car will show streaks. I could of done 5 other cars that week in the same way and the 6th might decide to streak. I've found if I do a light mist of water from the hose (not jet wash) with 1 of those garden multi jet pattern spray guns, the finest must setting, then dry it with a towel the streaks gave gone. Don't know if this is a factor or its just in my head, tends to happen on older cars, say pre 2010 ish. Is it something to do with the way paint was then, baffling
Hi Mate, Great advise that I wish I had heard before I had my issue, I use Turtle Wax Hybrid Solutions Graphene Flex Wax. A brilliant product when used in the right way as I know now, my first application was done on a very detailed white car and it was excellent did not have an issue I applied inside my garage so went on great. Then about a month later I washed the car outside and attempted the 3rd method they mention on the bottle which is to spray 2 times on a panel and spread out using high pressure water and then dry. So being in Australia it can be hot even late in the afternoon and even though I thought it was cool enough it obviously wasn't as the next day I noticed streaking and high spots all over the car not horrible but enough to get my OCD into overdrive. So I tried tried a few methods but ended up lightly buffing the worst areas which finally worked, I now ALWAYS wet my applicator as you mentioned & also have a damp microfibre handy and use both when applying and fingers crossed have not had a repeat of the streaky effect, ty for your well spoken and explained video it is appreciated mate.
How do you wash your microfibre products. Thanks 👍👍👍👍
How on earth you could get streaking with DDsi I really don't know. It's so easy to apply!
When we were in college we would "streak" around the campus....in the "buff".
My boyfriend was a "carrier" of many an STD. You're right about being in "heat" when he would "wax on, wax off". Boy he would "spread on one cloth" and often the "first squirt" was more than enough. I always forgot about color when it came to my boyfriends. They never had a "dry applicator" though.....
Thanks for the memories! Always interesting!!!
When I have a streaking issue with a sealant. I used some Collinite Wax over it when it is a cooler temperature, and the solvents in the wax usually remove the streaks. But hot temperatures are not your friend wait til car especially the hood or bonnet to cool down.
I have found that knocking down with IPA/Water mix works. Also dilution with water, for water based products. Don't work on dark colors if panel is hot unless you have no choice.
I'm very amateur and haven't had a problem with streaking. I always park my car in the shade for an hour before a wash, check every panel temp before washing and give a good pre rinse to help cooling.
The problem I have had with Autoglym Polar Seal is that my metal roof bars and black plastic wheel nut covers hazed white and haven't ever really shifted.
Can you give us some comments about different ceramic and wax finishes that either "bead" or "Shed" water. What's your preference
How can we deal with this streaks? Should we car wash again? Thanks for your video.
Usually some glass cleaner. I talked about the in vid
Brilliant explanation ,of carriers and protection. ....why some products dont react and others do with each other...
Great video, Jon. I find the paint can sometimes make a difference? Not the colour, but the type of clear, I guess. My car was in an accident a few years back and all the left side panels were replaced and resprayed, as well as the hood and boot lid. Seal n' Shine goes on the right side extremely easily, while the rest of the panels streak like mad - even though they all receive the same care. They soak up the spray, kind of like single-stage would and I find I have to saturate one towel with product, buff a small section, and immediately come in with a bone-dry second one.
this is a good point. and yes I think I may have noticed this as well.
Another belting video pal 😃😃 I'm currently using seal and shine 1st coat, then D&D Si on top, you say you can water products down? Would it not affect the the performance of those products? I think the 2 are the dogs so don't want to 'weaken' them.
The car color can have an indirect impact. Dark colors gets hotter in the sun, so a white car's panels may not be warm enough to cause an issue but a dark blue one might be. Great video, as usual!
Jon, this is off topic, but do you sell apparel? If so, how do we get it?
i dont mate sorry.
Could you please test Fusso coat classic with TAC shinee wax on top and see the result please. This would be the best budget durability/shine combination if it works well. Thanks
I’ve used that exact combo and it’s fantastic. One of the best i’ve tried - two awesome products !
naylor91 1 thanks mate. Ide be curious to know what the gloss level goes back up to as fusso coat isn't very glossy.
Great video ! Actually I'm having streaking issues with several QD/scellants, except ONE : CarPro Ech2O. Have you ever heard something like that ?
The reason for the streaking with the other products is probably that I use too much products, AND I think that my buffing towels have become over-saturated with scellants over time. Do you think that an "APC bath" for these MF, before washing it, will solve this problem ? Thanks.
Thks Jon for all this tips,keep learning every day
I got turtle Wax ceramic spray to try but i put it on pad then buff off no streaks and fast to do. I got there rinse wax coming and going do as u do one spray and rinse
This Video has a set of wise and valid tips for any product. Really good advice.... Pitty I watched it only after making a meal of applying/removing Sonax BSD from Panels which were too hot! Ended up like curdled milk... Doh!
Love you Videos , could you tell me what microfiber applicators you use please and a link,
It was my first time using a ceramic detailer on my black truck that I had a nightmare experience. I watched this video and decided user error was my issue. I started out using one cloth. I watched the video and then started using a drying cloth. Completely fixed my issue. Product was meguiars hybrid ceramic
Great video Jon, I've recently had a bad experience with my TW Ceramic streaking, I however think it maybe a result of something out with those products themselves tho, I had a motorbike accident there which has left me in crutches so once I'm better and the weather is good I'll be on it like a car bonnet, luckily for me I had just washed my car before my accident, so it's sat there for a few weeks not moved but still look good 😁😎👍🏻🏴
detailing should be good mental therapy once you're able to. hope you have a speedy recovery.
@@pwrshots thanks mate, baby steps, brutal looking at my car sitting there getting dirty 😩
Slightly off topic but before watching the whole video I've seen a couple of comments regarding drying aids - my biggest problem with drying aids are the cost. A small bottle of drying aid can cost 16 quid! I get through one of them bottles after 2-4 washes. Is there any way around this ? Other than use less ofc. I'm using what I deem enough.
2017 black M3 comp. Average size family saloon car
You could look to buy it in bulk as this can lower the cost to around £7 a litre or use something diluteable like CarPro Ech2o.
Interesting 🤔 so how do I fix it now? cause my Megs hybrid ceramic application looks like garbage, especially on the trim and windshield, but I know that I did a garbage job of applying basically using a wet microfiber towel to apply it and didn't full buff off. So any idea what kinda solvent Im gonna need?
Just use a polish. Or do nothing and just wash the car like you normally would and the layer will erode away
Same here, I applied the Meguires Hybrid ceramic detailer and it gave a streak nightmare! In tried all possible way to apply it properly but still giving me the same result. I will try the Bead maker.
Great video! Could you make a video on EZ car care products? I don’t get along with their “chrome liquid detailing wax” but I’ve seen great results on other cars! I have no idea what I’m doing wrong with it! Maybe it’s a case of non compatibility with coatings that I’ve previously applied to the car?
Looking forward to the review on the detailers Jon .
Great knowledgeable video once again mate
Shinee Wax - first time using it I HATED IT. It was streaky and tough to remove. Second time I loved it. First time I sprayed on the panel directly and left it on to long. Second time I sprayed on a microfiber and removed it quickly. I find the easiest detailer to put on and take off with zero chance of streaking is Infinity Wax Rapid Detailer.
have you tried out any of the EZ car care products//opinions? purchased some of their 3 x 5L for £50, and looking forward to test them out
Hi Jon, what water filter do you use to remove sediment and stuff that leaves marks on your car?
none.
I was using Bead Maker and no matter how I applied it I always got streaks and a haze that had to be polished off. This was on a black Jeep with cool panels in the garage yet a friend of mine uses it in his detailing business and has zero issues and I swear he uses way too much Bead Maker. I switched to Meguiar's D156 X-Press wax and it is lovely to work with and is super slick and glossy with no streaking (again on cold panels in a garage). I even tried to make it streak buy using too much product on a panel but nope... nothing. So I think for me I have found the spray wax I'll be sticking with.
some guys say Xpress wax can be streaky :) I honestly thing theres so many factors just like you say. maybe its compatibility with base product or paint type? Beadmaker for me was like very nice to work with.. yes theres some hazey marks you can call streaks but you just level them out and it flashes to clear gloss. I know Im not seeing what you saw though with the jeep though. ultimately I wanted to say in the video, its never wrong to try something else untill you are happy as well.
in fact lol Im scrolling down reading the comments and I read this "
Vi Si • 3 hours ago
Had a nightmare with Meguiars XPress Spray Wax. Awesome gloss on cold panels but It absolutely does not like hot panels. Carrier evaporates so quickly that it just creates smears. CarPro ReLoad smears very easily too as soon as you use too much. I find the best detailing spray which is quick, easy, great protection, great gloss, use on all surfaces, and no smearing regardless of panel temps is the cocktail experienced detailers make and use ... CarPro ReLoad + CarPro Ech2o + distilled water. Never lets me down and consistent results! Beading is awesome. 👍🏽!
@forensicdetailingchannel.. would you recommend polishing out a streaky finish or could you just leave it over time and it would eventually rectify itself? Say by the time you wash it next?
Nice tips. The BSD is the last product i used for my car detailing. I prefer one product with less durability but easy application than a more durable product with dificult application. I want to spent nice when i detail my car and not to look for techniks and tips and lesson on how to apply the X product.
Always something to learn on your channel Jon. Stay safe 👍
I noticed after using a gyeon coating my phoniex eod I got streaking on my hood and roof. I know why not on all the panels I don't know lol. I used rinsless wash and then re apply and it seems okay. Can't explain it but I've just accepted it as the eventual results are awesome.
john, made me remember that song for the 70`s and they call him the streek he likes to run on two feet and so on.
I have a Soft99 liquid version of the Fusso coat ( looks like milk but smells like petrol). It can be a pig to remove even after leaving it on for a short time, so I pour about 200ml into a normal 1ltr spray bottle and 600ml of rain water the rest. The result is now I can use it like a spraywax, or a wipe on wipe off product. I wouldn't use it to remove bird poo and for that, i'd use a proper cleaning QD. I had to experiment because at the beginning, i did a 50/50 mix and the sprayer would get blocked by the active ingredient.
What I've noticed, especially when applying a finishing detailer or sealant, is that my own sweat from my hand has a tendency to get onto the microfiber towels and causes additional problems. The fix is just to be sure to wear nitrile gloves during this stage of the process.
After my first application I use Beadmaker as a drying aid after every wash it’s so easy if applied in the correct way
I find that some products don't wipe off well with ultra plush towels.
Great vid especially damp applicator tip.
Anyone know where all the uk supply of carpro perl has gone ?
slims peter.
Nope still out of stock. Tried slims and about 10 others for past 2 weeks
Jon James
not sure if your guessing, but when you visit these sites its still no stock but thanks for suggestions, anyone else (apart from mailing from the US at over £40 !!)
I find if something has a tendency to streak, if I spend more time spreading before buffing off, it sorts the issue out.
Great advice fella... as ever! The only streaking ‘problem’ I’m having is in applying Gyeon Wetcoat, and I think the whole area of ‘rinse off’ products seem to sit outside of some of these rules - it’s not horrendous but any further advice would be greatly appreciated!
Hey Jon!!! I need your help. I love carpro elixir but it is soooo streaky and leave oily finish eventhough i apply it in night and cold panel. My basecoat is gyeon cancoat. What would you suggest me? How about diluting it 1:1?? Your answer is so meaningful for me. Have a good one!!
but next time you use it just slow down a bit. start on a wing. soak one microfiber towel in water wring it out so its damp. Have a pile of dry clean microfibers. Spray one mist onto the wing. spread the material around the wing. count to 10 slowly. then take clean cloth and buff it out. This should work. come back and tell me how you get on.
Forensic Detailing Channel that means a lot! Thank you for your quick response Jon. What you just told me was the method that i used last night. Additionally, i sprayed elixir on the damp towel, spreaded it on the wing slowly, then buffed it off with another plush towel. No matter what i did, i was not able to get a good looking job. Ps: I do not have this problem with carpro reload.
@@arthurlancelod sometimes it might not like whats underneath.. pretty rare that though. do you have another car with no coating you can test on?
Forensic Detailing Channel Actually this is what does come to my mind. Maybe it does not like cancoat. I had exact same issue with tw ice seal and shine. And no, i do not have any other car to test on. Btw, thank you for your responds, i love your channel and your accent. Have a good one dear Jon!!!
Never had streaking whilst using beadmaker, optimum spray wax or DDSi. It's possible the towel has become hydrophobic over time using QD's
Jon, Jennychem want to send you some products to review. I cannot find any details to contact you in any way, is it possible for you to Contact them or me to get some details over so that they can send some things for review. You will find me on FB as Mat John, profile pic is a blue car with beading.
Mat
How to make car wax spray ? Thanks
MEGUAIRES Hybrid ceramic wax, love the sealant and never had issues but now it streaks randomly or patchy when buffed off.
Found that having a polish left on the panel like AG Super Resin or a spray wax helps to spread even and buff clean. Now slight dilution spray n wipe on a wet panel and rinsed off, dry and buffed seems to do it. Seems to layer well or maintained with CMX to push that SiO2 mirror with that TiO2 aid.
Real fussy product but durable and desirable lol
Australia
Do you ever get any issues with the roofing material in your garage causing issues with detailing ?. It looks like that bitumen stuff which has a sand like material embedded in it.
yes, if I prep a car and put it in, and theres strong winds I can get some dust falling down, so I need to check before resuming polishing the next day. but like I just do a quick ONR wipe over if im worried... its a cheap garage thats not air sealed but Im lucky to have a garage in the UK we dont get jack jones. land and house prices are a joke and the country is rammed full now so 99% of the buildings going in are the same sort of generic estates with small plots and everything compacted in. governments approving all these building requests so they can say they are doing good job of meeting housing demand but the roads are gridlocked etc.. :) oh jesus you got me started now :) Can tell I want to move from the UK cant you.
@@ForensicDetailing Ha, well your lucky you have a garage i guess. I dont. Just a 2 car drive. I suppose you could get a huge roll of Ploythene and cover the lower level of the beams. So giving you a sealed roof. Thus nothing to fall down from above.
Tac shine I find it’s very hard to buff off for me
I had streaking issues on my car using Griot’s Ceramic 3-in-1 Wax. After watching this, I realized I committed several mistakes when using it. 1. I had applied a carnauba wax two weeks earlier. 2. The panel was hot. 3. I probably should have tried to strip the previously applied wax but I just wash and Clayed the surface. 4. I sprayed straight on panel and applied too much thinking since the panel was hot I would apply more. Fail. 5. I had cheap microfiber towels that didn’t properly work for buffing and polishing. I contacted Griot’s customer support and the recommended specific microfiber towels and I bought them. I gave the car a though foaming and wash. Clayed the surface with one of Griot’s synthetic clay applicators. Late afternoon, applies the Ceramic 3-in-1 wax with ease. Used recommended 2 microfiber towels -No streaking. The technique is different but I think I got it. I even got brave enough to buy a DA polisher and color corrected my white truck first. I’m going to try another vehicle and let my black paint be my third vehicle using the polisher. Thanks for the great content. I’m subscribed to your Chanel.
2 towel method with clean towel is important for sure John. nice one mate. you didnt give up and now your product is giving good results.
I started on the old style £7 turtle wax "hardshell" pastepaste (I didn't know any better and still no idfea what that consistency of it is). It was horrible to handle, horrible to work with, in all conditions. So if Jon's fixes don't resolve for you check those words aren't on the label of the product in your hand. Great workout though and the finish in the end was good. I used all of it before I tried SImoniz carnubra liquid wax - I had massive issues with using multiple methods, type of cloths, multiple microfibres. Gave up on that on the third try. So I stopped going to Halfords and watched/read reviews this time - something had to be good for a beginner. Seal and shine when it was new, was and still is my favourite of all the things I've bought for detailing - i have a method of working it now. Not even trying any others, this is perfect for me. Sidenote: You mention diluting products, John. Perhaps a video or a section in one showing some examples of ones you've had success with and/or then used for a different application? (I noted the blue meguiars liquid wax you mentioned recently and i use the 1:4 iso-panel wipe already).
that hardshell paste wax jesus that is proper old school not overly keen on that. That actually beds down more than streaks and its hard to buff the excess off. I think they should defunct that product personally but they prolly sell tons of it.
@@ForensicDetailing Its for the reasons I bought it and you describe Im sure. I found i needed "something" so like everyone who knows nothing about cars, I went to halfords and picked something from a brand I'd heard of (I looked at a tub of it at the top of our cellar steps for two decades greowing up) it was cheap, so if it was rubbish its only a few quid, and i could buy it there and then. And its a big tub so it lasts. To a general consumer like me back then would think it's good because it DOES looks better than nothing as that's their only frame of reference and how it "works" must be how they all work. So in two years time they buy another because it met their expectations. It's a one-off purchase and inexpensive product for the masses for sure.
Excellent video! Also applies to streaky windows.
A lot of people don't realise as well. If you dilute your products always use purified or distilled water. I buy a 1.5 litre bottle of evian and mix it with any of my go to products and they work a dream
I always wait for the car to cool down. Even cleaning your windshield with window cleaner will streak on hot day. btw, my wife thinks I'm nuts for washing and treatment on a cloudy day. Lol thanks for the great tips as always.
I needed this information very much, thank you
I think I have always made an error I sue fse to get the water marks off but then I’m never sure if I can put turtle wax seal and shine over the top. Logically I think the answer is no as I’ve assumed conventional logic was to put the longest wearing product at the bottom but clearly you can in this example????
answer is no. because FSE leaves like a layer of PDMS or think like shiny gloss material but its not a durable bonding form of PDMS, so really it will effect seal and shine. you can do it of course wont be the end of the world but the sealant wont bond properly and durability will be reduced.
Forensic Detailing Channel agreed but then there appears to be a gap in the market for something that addresses the water marks but leaves long lasting protection it’s something I’ve never been able to address
Not quite on topic, but have you done a tar remover review
tardis if you want the most powerfull Martin. BH hamber cleaner fluid if you want a versatile one you can also use as panel wipe.
Very informative John, it all seems like common sense however if you run into it you may wonder hmm is this product any good right while it was just you causing it. Good to go over this topic :)
Colour could have an effect.... a black panel will be hotter than a white, or even red, panel even on a mildly warm day and a product could react differently due to that heat difference
I think if a product is really really streaky even with perfect application, is to water it down a bit.
Used turtle wax spray sealant, as i run out of bilt hamber qd.
The T wax was utter junk, and i gave it away.
To be fare i dont think it liked the b h double speed wax thats on the car.
Anyway Qd back in my hands which I adore.
its crazy the varience in different experiences. Ive never had any issues with TW spray sealants, only the detailer. But I did have issues with BH. but now Im back in love with BH QD again. Im also a little bit out of love with double speed as well since the ghosting issue. its a summer thing :)
Anyone in detailing seen any definite confirmed uk stock of carpro perl ? Tried couple of suggestions in thread yesterday but still saying out of stock. Thanks
can just used TAC systems SEAL from imran. Im gonna switch over just so I can get it from the same place with my other stuff.
Thanks Jon, will switch to TAC
Turtle wax ceramic hybrid spray hot day streaked like mad, discovered solution was to buff off with a damp microfibres cloth. A lot of mumbling prior to discovering this.
its super concentrate by using a wet microfiber you basically thin it and make it easier to form the film. once you have a good thin layer it should flash back to no streaks.. if it goes on thick and the carrier dries gonna be streaky really.
I have a tendency to take all my clothes off and run around naked. For this I drink Windolene, as it prevents streaking.
see if i can make it simpler try to buff the product in to the panel but the product stay on the panel is that simple explanation ?:
and in mi case was to much product.20 years ago.don t if it is that long i had turtle wax original liquid and the lid was a big hole same for hot wax
and i used to much wax end up a pain the rear behind to buff it off but the product some of the stay on the panel and the less product in mi experience easier is to buff in the panel
Streaking!?? Didn't realise you partook in that kinda thing Jon. On which channel can we see this big event?
Don't know how the hell someone could mess up bead maker
Sonax bsd is bad for streaking and can be a bugger to buff off
I’m thinking of buying a DI water vessel to use for the final rinse , so I can let the car dry naturally
Jon, you're absolutely right. Another great video BTW! Greetings from Canada, where I earn a living doing this stuff. If you don't think of yourself as a pro as well, please think again - your knowledge is way WAY up there and it's fabulous that you share it with your viewers. I've had very good luck with Chemical Guys VO7 (not saying it's the best but it has never failed to impress) as a Last Step Product and as you say, wipe on (with a LIGHT coating ON MF!) and wipe it off right away with an unused section of MF cloth. Just wondering if I might ask you a Q regarding your take on the new Flex XCE 10-8 125 vs the Rupes Mille - I'm shopping for a forced rotation machine and you've tried out both, whereas I don't have access to either one without actually purchasing.
Thanks in advance if you care to share : - ) I understand your affinity toward the excellent Flex line as you are invested in their battery tech but aside from their PXE 80 which I own, I don't mind going CORDED with the bigger Flex 125 machine. (I already have a Rupes first generation and it stalls jut LOOKING at it - exaggerating a bit to make light of it : ) Cheers!
Yo David, Its flex for me. Its a bit lighter and more compact. I am baised as Ive had a lot more time with the flex forced rotation machines and I sort of love the feel of them on the panel. The rupes felt a bit strange to me. I am not a fan of the rupes cutting pads either. I just prefer the flex system. But the mille has better cooling and with a smaller throw it may well be smoother although it runs at a faster range which might disguise that. The rupes certainly feels well made and solid. I would almost say if you are rupes fan try the mille. But I prefer the flex. (if your on a budget the makita forced rotation is superb)
Funny how V07 felt like a scam while using it. Paid a fortune for 500mL, kept streaking (black car so highly visible) and never made me look at the paint and thinking this is impressive. Also don't like the way they advertise is, it's a sealant and a quick detailer, and a clay lub (you would be quite a baller using it as a clay lub for that price).
At the moment i'm using done and dusted from bouncer, uk product might not be available everywhere, and it's the best i've used. That's litteraly a fool-proof product, i can't imagine anyone having issue applying it. It looks great, the beading is surprisingly good for a few weeks, and it's 12$.
Can't get on with BSD to be honest. Works well but is a pain to buff from my experience
I already smashed the subscribe button. Why should I smash it again? I dont want to unsubscribe dude !!!
I "smashed that like button" Jon, yes I watch Luke Wilson too.
User error and direct sun go hand in hand , I once made the mistake of trying sonax bsd on a hot black panel
Autoglym super resin to the rescue 😂😂😂