My son played travel goalie for about 8 years (he's a defenseman now). It used to drive me ABSOLUTELY INSANE when his coaches would do a two on one warm up drill right before the game. Making your goalie fight to save the one timer from a pass opposite side before the game is not only a good way to get your goalie hurt, but its also a good way to get him nice and demoralized, as more of those will go in the net than he will save.
One of my favorite videos to date. I wish there was a subtle way to slip this video to all the coaches. It’s unfortunate that many head coaches don’t take unsolicited “feedback/suggestions/advice” too well.
Some coaches might be offended when showing them this video, but what you mentioned is completely true. Yesterday our goalie was pulled after 1st period, had a bad game.Instead of giving him a reason, coach just said that he was being pulled.
Like the great Mitch Korn said at all his summer camp opening addresses, “if anything I say offends you that is on you, not me”. If being called out on coaching malpractice as it relates to goaltending management, offends them I’m there for that. Thanks for watching….
My jaw literally dropped after hearing you talk about coaches not letting the goalie know who is going to be playing until a few minutes before the start of the game. My son, a goalie, now 18, and has been on the ice since he was 4 years old, has had coaches like this and we have been saying the same thing as you! It seems like common sense to me. My family and I are so frustrated with the coaching in our area for multiple reasons. Feeling hopeless. It’s a constant battle.
Reach out anytime info@futurepro.com I coach remotely and help families through that stage of a kid’s journey. Try to knock down the hopeless feelings. 🐐
I had a coach in lenoxville LHJAAAQ not tell me when I wasn't goaling. I f... Hated it... I would find out in the locker room right before the warm-up. It would really bum me down... He was really severe too and would swear and yell at players including myself. I just started living on my own for the 1st time in my life and would be late for the 1st couple of practices. Then once I got the hang of it I was one of the 1st to arrive on the ice. But I get late once after being early for a month or 2 and got blasted... And they wonder why I fraught a goalie twice my size once taking a bunnch of shots to the face... I'll send u the video if I get the chance.. This coach affected me psychologically for years. I was always really nervous about being late for anything... It wasn't healthy... If only I got my ADHD diagnosed earlier to help me for these kind of things... Life goes on, what can u do..
@@FutureProGoaltendingUSA apart from that he was actually a very good coach. They changed coach the next year. probably because of his old school tactics... we were a college associated team on top of it. One of 3 teams out of 12...
What you've described sounds exactly like my team's warm-ups before the game. I'm usually gassed out after 5 min of this crap they call a warm-up when I barely have a chance to feel it in my trapper or on the blocker and I feel like a fortress under siege. And your take on making unrealistic situations on the ice really hit the spot. Thanks for this vid. I gotta talk some sense into my coach and teammates.
The way you described most minor hockey practices really hit home. For most drills players will be doing six passes, three dekes around cones, and one body check for good measure, and after all of that they'll go end to end to have a breakaway attempt on a goalie. So helpful and applicable to 99% of shots a goalie faces in a game. Screen practice? Crease movements? Rebound control practice? Dream on, all goalies get to learn to do is stop breakaway attempts. Great vid, Keeks. Also UMass Boston reached out this morning and basically said "we want to take a closer look at you but we don't do any scholarships, can you afford our school for $50K USD/year?" Bummer.
Thank you and tell your son I said hello. Send your mailing address and I will send out a coveted, “NoRebounds” sticker in the color of his choice. If he sends back a photo wearing the sticker on his helmet, I’ll put it up on the socials…. Keeks. Info@futurepro.com
I hate “warm ups” that the shooters are all about scoring or fancy stuff. Not only is it running a good chance of pulling a muscle , but it can mess with your mental game.
Hey Keeker,…. I first met you when you were my substitute phys ed teacher at Annandale HS in Tillsonburg. I started watching this channel about a year ago and this is one of your BEST videos. I also think you need to do one on coaches being objective and not just choosing a goalie based on who’s parents they are friends with. I started playing organized hockey at 16 but I could never get playing time anywhere until I went to university and my coach was Don McKee with the Waterloo Warriors. He was very open minded and didn’t favour anyone. I was able to beat out 6 other goalies that he scouted from junior B and the OHL for one of the spots. It was the first time I saw a coach being objective and very productive. Anyhow, I ended up quitting competitive hockey back then to focus on becoming an optometrist so that’s what I ended up doing. I do have some development/visual training ideas for shot anticipation that I would like to talk to you about. How can I DM you directly?
Info@futurepro.com great to hear from you Gary. When I taught 2nd grade in Tillsonburg, I have some of those students come up to me as adults and I am so old I can’t remember them, until I see photos when they were little
I had to ask the “goalie coach” of my sons team this year to just leave my kid alone. I noticed he was always trying to correct my kids stance and was going against everything his actual goalie coach was teaching him. He is the dad of the other goalie and me and my kid are more than happy to have him favor his own kid. Also I’m showing this video to his head coach because their pre game warmup is exactly like you describe and my goalie has been complaining about being peppered with shot after shot in warmup for the past couple years.
Keeks - one of my favorite conversations from 40 years of coaching goalies - Head coach: the goalie has a problem with rebounds, Me: do you practice with rebounds in practice, Head coach: hell no, it screws up the flow of my drills
Thanks for this! One thing it did make me think about is if you have any recommendations for how us goalies can get more out of stick&pucks and self guided practice. Because my experience with those is just showing up and having a dozen guys a few hundred shots on me in a very non-realistic setting. Essentially the same problem you described with practice, but perhaps even worse. Thanks!
With stick and pucks you can often get out a few minutes early or stay a few minutes later. If that is the case you can gather some free time to do crease movements, even if they aren’t near the net. During play, have ONE thing to focus on. I fly the latest greatest DJI drone, the Mavic Pro 3 Cine, and there is so much to learn and work in even for an experienced pilot. So I practice with it weekly and focus on ONE thing each session. Ie, hyperlapses, learning the cruise control etc. So set tiny focal points and try not to fix the whole thing at one skate.
My son is now U15... and he has been goalie since Atom. "Stand in the net and stop pucks" That's how its been for most of his years. The only reason he got coaching the past 2 years was because I stepped in and joined his team specifically to coach him (and all you hockey dads out there know what kind of challenge that is lol). I have to disagree somewhat with the no goalie coach is sometimes better than a dad or beer leaguer. Ya there is some pitfalls there... but there is pitfalls with any coaching position on a team that can fall into the same traps. To be honest... I was probably harder on my son than any coach would of been. first 15 minutes when I was doing it was set aside for me to run goalie specific drills... solo or with one or two players. The reason I am not doing it this year is because the head coach had issue with someone "stepping on his toes" and coaching one of his players so I'm watching from the stands this year... and I am watching the "go stop pucks" coaching in practices this year... very very frustrating... for me... and for my son who now puts little to no effort into his practices because there is zero structure or attention given to him during practices. Sadly now its a huge uphill battle to break the bad habits of lack of intensity in practices because of the lack of structure up till this point.
Oh yes. If a dad is well versed on updated goalie technique and tactics, and is over the top fair, then of course that is great. In my 35 years coaching it is more often not the case. But sounds like you got it handled. I would be concerned about a goalie who can’t motivate themselves in that situation, as that approach will keep them out of playing meaningful hockey later. Thanks for watching!
@@FutureProGoaltendingUSA His self motivating handicap right now is definitely concerning for me. I mean... he's not going to the NHL I don't think.. but it is a work ethic that I know he needs and should have. What started him down that path this year was when one of his first practices without me the head coach instructed him to get into his butterfly and to let the players take shots on his chest so they can get rebounds and then take the follow up shot... and he was instructed to not move the whole time so the players could "work their rebounds and get confidence". Ya... you can't make that kind of think up sadly. I was stuck between a rock and a hard place... because on one hand I am a firm believer that you follow your coaches direction in practices no matter what you think of the drill... yet... I know in my heart this was just wrong any which way you slice it. And it isnt just this team here... its all the icetimes I regularly watch. Goalies get zero attention... and you can see them wandering as the year progresses. Not all goalies have a dad with hockey knowledge and a lot of them are left out there by themselves to "find the right way"... and when your coaching staff isnt even attempting to provide it... it really leaves the m in the lurch... to the point we have found ourselves in many of the U divisions struggling to even find the kids that want to take the position. They are not stupid.. they see what happens and not many want to take on that kind of gig... and I dont blame them really. Being a goalie is a mind screw you need to learn to handle in itself... feeling not good enough when your team looses... kids on your team sometimes putting blame on you. Its not easy inherently ... but throw this kind of thing in from the coaching... and well... it gets to the point they would rather just go out and have fun with the other guys and not deal with any of it... makes me sad.
I'm a goalie and when I was a kid in the 90s I got almost zero instruction on how to play my position. I guess I was supposed to just figure it out on my own by watching Patrick Roy on TV. I never had an actual goalie coach, even when I played top tier. The goalies were mostly just props during practice and scapegoats during games. One year, the unofficial goalie coach was the other goalie's dad. The advice he gave me was terrible by today's standards. It was probably bad for the 90s too but I didn't know any better. In hindsight, I gotta wonder if he was actually trying to sabotage me to make his kid look better. The parents on those top tier teams were effing mental so it wouldn't surprise me. But nah, he was probably just parroting what some other kid's dad told him when he was a kid in the 60s. Either way, I maybe would have been better off with no coaching at all. I can say for certain that I've learned more about goaltending from TH-cam over the last couple weeks than I ever did in 8ish years of minor hockey 'coaching'.
Regarding motivation, maybe your kid is just not that into hockey (anymore). Even if he was into it before, kids' interests can change. In my teens, I went from "I'm gonna be in the NHL" to "I'm gonna be a rock star". Maybe there's something else he'd rather be doing. Maybe that's not what you want to hear, but it's worth considering.
I've said similar things after practice when my son is down on his performance. revolving 2 on 1s every 15 secs aren't easy. Especially when his team has 4 kids with the most points in the league. They are absolute killers and the drill favors offense.
J Swayman attended your camps ? Love that kid! I think he has tremendous potential at the NHL level. He moves very quickly, and precisely, in my opinion.
I played competive hockey (aaa, a, travel, and high-school, got invited to Jr C camp but had no confidence so I didn't attend) back in the early '00s. Just got back into hockey, been learning all the modern stuff to implement in my game. I have no kids, and was considering maybe doing the goalie coach thing... I respect what you say, and was wondering what path would be best for me to go that route, or should I just not bother? I've got a huge passion for the game, and learning everything about the modern style, but I wouldn't want to hurt the development of anyone.
Practice was always important to me.. I broke sticks in practice not in games, If I let in a goal (or a couple in a row) because of a bad habit like squaring up with the shooter not the puck, or guessing instead of being patient.. Let the anger out go get some water then back at it
This - this right here is EXCELLENT advice!
Thank you!
That’s such a legendary move by Korn Dog! That would have motivated me extra for sure
Whatever works
My name's Tim! I'm a goalie! I approve of his message!
Thank you
Such a phenomenal channel, thank you
Thanks Alex
Great stuff coach!
Thank you Rollie
@@FutureProGoaltendingUSA You and my grandmother are literally the only two people who can get away with calling me that. 😂
@@RolandMillington Everyone has a nickname… How about Millsie?
@@FutureProGoaltendingUSA Works for me coach.
We hope this video trickles into the inbox of a bunch of head coaches
That is the plan… Hope all is Well Irfan!
My son played travel goalie for about 8 years (he's a defenseman now). It used to drive me ABSOLUTELY INSANE when his coaches would do a two on one warm up drill right before the game. Making your goalie fight to save the one timer from a pass opposite side before the game is not only a good way to get your goalie hurt, but its also a good way to get him nice and demoralized, as more of those will go in the net than he will save.
Correct
One of my favorite videos to date. I wish there was a subtle way to slip this video to all the coaches. It’s unfortunate that many head coaches don’t take unsolicited “feedback/suggestions/advice” too well.
Ah, the insecure alpha humans..
Heavy on the warm up part. My teams warmup is just the rapid fire from the faceoff dot it does nothing but mess me up more
100%
Some coaches might be offended when showing them this video, but what you mentioned is completely true. Yesterday our goalie was pulled after 1st period, had a bad game.Instead of giving him a reason, coach just said that he was being pulled.
Like the great Mitch Korn said at all his summer camp opening addresses, “if anything I say offends you that is on you, not me”. If being called out on coaching malpractice as it relates to goaltending management, offends them I’m there for that. Thanks for watching….
My jaw literally dropped after hearing you talk about coaches not letting the goalie know who is going to be playing until a few minutes before the start of the game. My son, a goalie, now 18, and has been on the ice since he was 4 years old, has had coaches like this and we have been saying the same thing as you! It seems like common sense to me.
My family and I are so frustrated with the coaching in our area for multiple reasons. Feeling hopeless. It’s a constant battle.
Reach out anytime info@futurepro.com
I coach remotely and help families through that stage of a kid’s journey. Try to knock down the hopeless feelings. 🐐
Thank you for this video Coach. Telling it how it is was awesome.
Hope all is well.
Great video. Changing up the schedule?
Not really… just trying to sync up with some irregular bowel movements….. Wait until you are my age…. Thanks as usual Fogey for tuning it…
That advice for head coaches should absolutely be presented at coaching certification clinics
I can only hope.
This is one of your best videos coach. Applicable, real life, and worth sharing over and over again.
Thanks Cody
Bette than the Santa Claus video? 🐐💩😎
@@FutureProGoaltendingUSA That is a timeless classic!
@@johnliszka6751 lol
I had a coach in lenoxville LHJAAAQ not tell me when I wasn't goaling. I f... Hated it... I would find out in the locker room right before the warm-up. It would really bum me down... He was really severe too and would swear and yell at players including myself. I just started living on my own for the 1st time in my life and would be late for the 1st couple of practices. Then once I got the hang of it I was one of the 1st to arrive on the ice. But I get late once after being early for a month or 2 and got blasted... And they wonder why I fraught a goalie twice my size once taking a bunnch of shots to the face... I'll send u the video if I get the chance.. This coach affected me psychologically for years. I was always really nervous about being late for anything... It wasn't healthy... If only I got my ADHD diagnosed earlier to help me for these kind of things... Life goes on, what can u do..
The carnage from crappy coaching is everywhere. Hence, trying to save the next generation. Thanks for watching
@@FutureProGoaltendingUSA apart from that he was actually a very good coach. They changed coach the next year. probably because of his old school tactics... we were a college associated team on top of it. One of 3 teams out of 12...
I would send this to my head coach but he’d probably sit me for the rest of the season lmao
Typical coach. Taking things personally instead of critical thinking
What you've described sounds exactly like my team's warm-ups before the game. I'm usually gassed out after 5 min of this crap they call a warm-up when I barely have a chance to feel it in my trapper or on the blocker and I feel like a fortress under siege. And your take on making unrealistic situations on the ice really hit the spot. Thanks for this vid. I gotta talk some sense into my coach and teammates.
Thanks for watching
The way you described most minor hockey practices really hit home. For most drills players will be doing six passes, three dekes around cones, and one body check for good measure, and after all of that they'll go end to end to have a breakaway attempt on a goalie. So helpful and applicable to 99% of shots a goalie faces in a game. Screen practice? Crease movements? Rebound control practice? Dream on, all goalies get to learn to do is stop breakaway attempts.
Great vid, Keeks. Also UMass Boston reached out this morning and basically said "we want to take a closer look at you but we don't do any scholarships, can you afford our school for $50K USD/year?" Bummer.
You’ll land in a good spot with your talent.
@@FutureProGoaltendingUSA awe ❤️
I just love your videos. I was a goaltender for a long time and now my son is goaltender. I really appreciate you sharing this valuable advice.
Thank you and tell your son I said hello. Send your mailing address and I will send out a coveted, “NoRebounds” sticker in the color of his choice. If he sends back a photo wearing the sticker on his helmet, I’ll put it up on the socials…. Keeks. Info@futurepro.com
I hate “warm ups” that the shooters are all about scoring or fancy stuff. Not only is it running a good chance of pulling a muscle , but it can mess with your mental game.
Hated them
Hey Keeker,…. I first met you when you were my substitute phys ed teacher at Annandale HS in Tillsonburg. I started watching this channel about a year ago and this is one of your BEST videos. I also think you need to do one on coaches being objective and not just choosing a goalie based on who’s parents they are friends with. I started playing organized hockey at 16 but I could never get playing time anywhere until I went to university and my coach was Don McKee with the Waterloo Warriors. He was very open minded and didn’t favour anyone. I was able to beat out 6 other goalies that he scouted from junior B and the OHL for one of the spots. It was the first time I saw a coach being objective and very productive. Anyhow, I ended up quitting competitive hockey back then to focus on becoming an optometrist so that’s what I ended up doing. I do have some development/visual training ideas for shot anticipation that I would like to talk to you about. How can I DM you directly?
Info@futurepro.com great to hear from you Gary. When I taught 2nd grade in Tillsonburg, I have some of those students come up to me as adults and I am so old I can’t remember them, until I see photos when they were little
I had to ask the “goalie coach” of my sons team this year to just leave my kid alone. I noticed he was always trying to correct my kids stance and was going against everything his actual goalie coach was teaching him. He is the dad of the other goalie and me and my kid are more than happy to have him favor his own kid. Also I’m showing this video to his head coach because their pre game warmup is exactly like you describe and my goalie has been complaining about being peppered with shot after shot in warmup for the past couple years.
Glad it sort of hit home and best luck with that situation
You forgot to mention Jim Park's 'The Puck Stops Here', must have for any coach these days!
Lol
You described EXACTLY what our coaches does. :)
P.s.: Hope one day, my kid visit your camp, unfortunately we are from another side of the globe.
With high speed internet I eMentor kids all
Over the globe
@@FutureProGoaltendingUSA I will concider it! thank you for feedback!
Keeks - one of my favorite conversations from 40 years of coaching goalies - Head coach: the goalie has a problem with rebounds, Me: do you practice with rebounds in practice, Head coach: hell no, it screws up the flow of my drills
Classic
Thanks for this! One thing it did make me think about is if you have any recommendations for how us goalies can get more out of stick&pucks and self guided practice. Because my experience with those is just showing up and having a dozen guys a few hundred shots on me in a very non-realistic setting. Essentially the same problem you described with practice, but perhaps even worse. Thanks!
With stick and pucks you can often get out a few minutes early or stay a few minutes later. If that is the case you can gather some free time to do crease movements, even if they aren’t near the net. During play, have ONE thing to focus on. I fly the latest greatest DJI drone, the Mavic Pro 3 Cine, and there is so much to learn and work in even for an experienced pilot. So I practice with it weekly and focus on ONE thing each session. Ie, hyperlapses, learning the cruise control etc. So set tiny focal points and try not to fix the whole thing at one skate.
My son is now U15... and he has been goalie since Atom.
"Stand in the net and stop pucks" That's how its been for most of his years. The only reason he got coaching the past 2 years was because I stepped in and joined his team specifically to coach him (and all you hockey dads out there know what kind of challenge that is lol).
I have to disagree somewhat with the no goalie coach is sometimes better than a dad or beer leaguer. Ya there is some pitfalls there... but there is pitfalls with any coaching position on a team that can fall into the same traps. To be honest... I was probably harder on my son than any coach would of been. first 15 minutes when I was doing it was set aside for me to run goalie specific drills... solo or with one or two players. The reason I am not doing it this year is because the head coach had issue with someone "stepping on his toes" and coaching one of his players so I'm watching from the stands this year... and I am watching the "go stop pucks" coaching in practices this year... very very frustrating... for me... and for my son who now puts little to no effort into his practices because there is zero structure or attention given to him during practices.
Sadly now its a huge uphill battle to break the bad habits of lack of intensity in practices because of the lack of structure up till this point.
Oh yes. If a dad is well versed on updated goalie technique and tactics, and is over the top fair, then of course that is great. In my 35 years coaching it is more often not the case. But sounds like you got it handled. I would be concerned about a goalie who can’t motivate themselves in that situation, as that approach will keep them out of playing meaningful hockey later. Thanks for watching!
@@FutureProGoaltendingUSA His self motivating handicap right now is definitely concerning for me. I mean... he's not going to the NHL I don't think.. but it is a work ethic that I know he needs and should have.
What started him down that path this year was when one of his first practices without me the head coach instructed him to get into his butterfly and to let the players take shots on his chest so they can get rebounds and then take the follow up shot... and he was instructed to not move the whole time so the players could "work their rebounds and get confidence".
Ya... you can't make that kind of think up sadly. I was stuck between a rock and a hard place... because on one hand I am a firm believer that you follow your coaches direction in practices no matter what you think of the drill... yet... I know in my heart this was just wrong any which way you slice it.
And it isnt just this team here... its all the icetimes I regularly watch. Goalies get zero attention... and you can see them wandering as the year progresses. Not all goalies have a dad with hockey knowledge and a lot of them are left out there by themselves to "find the right way"... and when your coaching staff isnt even attempting to provide it... it really leaves the m in the lurch... to the point we have found ourselves in many of the U divisions struggling to even find the kids that want to take the position. They are not stupid.. they see what happens and not many want to take on that kind of gig... and I dont blame them really.
Being a goalie is a mind screw you need to learn to handle in itself... feeling not good enough when your team looses... kids on your team sometimes putting blame on you. Its not easy inherently ... but throw this kind of thing in from the coaching... and well... it gets to the point they would rather just go out and have fun with the other guys and not deal with any of it... makes me sad.
I'm a goalie and when I was a kid in the 90s I got almost zero instruction on how to play my position. I guess I was supposed to just figure it out on my own by watching Patrick Roy on TV. I never had an actual goalie coach, even when I played top tier. The goalies were mostly just props during practice and scapegoats during games. One year, the unofficial goalie coach was the other goalie's dad. The advice he gave me was terrible by today's standards. It was probably bad for the 90s too but I didn't know any better. In hindsight, I gotta wonder if he was actually trying to sabotage me to make his kid look better. The parents on those top tier teams were effing mental so it wouldn't surprise me. But nah, he was probably just parroting what some other kid's dad told him when he was a kid in the 60s. Either way, I maybe would have been better off with no coaching at all.
I can say for certain that I've learned more about goaltending from TH-cam over the last couple weeks than I ever did in 8ish years of minor hockey 'coaching'.
Regarding motivation, maybe your kid is just not that into hockey (anymore). Even if he was into it before, kids' interests can change. In my teens, I went from "I'm gonna be in the NHL" to "I'm gonna be a rock star". Maybe there's something else he'd rather be doing. Maybe that's not what you want to hear, but it's worth considering.
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I've said similar things after practice when my son is down on his performance. revolving 2 on 1s every 15 secs aren't easy. Especially when his team has 4 kids with the most points in the league. They are absolute killers and the drill favors offense.
100%
J Swayman attended your camps ? Love that kid!
I think he has tremendous potential at the NHL level. He moves very quickly, and precisely, in my opinion.
Yes sir.
If you DM me an email address I send you a photo of us when he was little
I played competive hockey (aaa, a, travel, and high-school, got invited to Jr C camp but had no confidence so I didn't attend) back in the early '00s. Just got back into hockey, been learning all the modern stuff to implement in my game.
I have no kids, and was considering maybe doing the goalie coach thing... I respect what you say, and was wondering what path would be best for me to go that route, or should I just not bother? I've got a huge passion for the game, and learning everything about the modern style, but I wouldn't want to hurt the development of anyone.
I do this all the time. I can mentor you free of charge. Train you and certify you free of charge. DM your contact info
@@FutureProGoaltendingUSA oh wow, I will do that!
Practice was always important to me.. I broke sticks in practice not in games, If I let in a goal (or a couple in a row) because of a bad habit like squaring up with the shooter not the puck, or guessing instead of being patient.. Let the anger out go get some water then back at it
Yup
It's just another way the woke community is trying to phase out Goalies in hockey. 😳
Except the problems I outlined have been an issue with coaches since I was a kid in the 60s…….🤘🏽