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This isn't an EFAP on Extra Credits.
This is the Lynching of a Dev.
Dev is a chill guy.
He chills for everything.
Dev is the textbook example of every position
He is a communist after all. Always assume malice.
@@ChiefCrewin Nah, he's just a "centrist." He believes everything the government told him.
@@ChiefCrewin He seeks the capitalism monster that cannot be killed
Fringy with the iconic “Bring the Fring”
T-shirt/Mug when?
@@canaldecasta A green mug with Fringy Lisa on it
The Fring was indeed brung
@@HectorLopez0217 with reliefed booba, yes
No longer being live should we say he brung the Frung? How does this work in past tense?
What's up, my
Unlist-Words
Unword brother!
E-e-e-ewoks
The unlisted shall rise!
The unlisted shall rise again, yee haw
There are possibly dozens of us!
@@StrikerA268 I'm possibly one of them
Unlisted and unbreaded
we are here, and we are many
Uncut, unlisted, and unleashed!
We do not list!
“Support the devs”
Well apparently you can support the devs, studios make record profits, and they’ll be closed or laid off anyway…
Obviously you did not support enough, support harder. How about buying the collector's edition of a new game you do not even know if you will like?
Hi Fi Rush :c
@@AimlessSavantI’m surprised they even announced a physical version. They would’ve known when porting to PS5 that there’s virtually zero chance it’s going to explode in sales (especially with barely marketing outside the announcement), and they probably knew they’d shut down the studio. I mean, they don’t even have pre-orders for the disc to even judge potential sales from that angle. Glad they’re doing it, and I’ll pick it up. But makes no sense as a business move. Must’ve signed a deal too early and didn’t/couldn’t back out I guess.
Why I'm for indie studios
Why you always support indie debe because they're not answerable to any overlord company
That Pissed of Gamer segment was some primo EFAP content. A real old-school experience.
love when they peel back the ages and cover some old internet content.
After a couple of days of listening to this EFAP i just finally got to that part. And OMG what a gold-shit mine of old YT content!
Unlisted gang
Gang gang
To me my unlisted!
Que X-men theme!!!
Duh neeehn! Dun nuh nuhnuh nuh, neh neh! (To the Avengers theme)
You can almost see Pissed Off Gamer's stamina bar recharging.
I could hear him breathing. Not from the video, IRL from halfway across the world.
There’s something funny about having a sponsor in a “games are cheaper/should cost more” as you shill more junk at an inflated price and wonder “why is everything so expensive?”
the irony is lost on them. In fact, it is likely the intended motive.
A cornerstone of all leftist philosophies, and the foundation upon which all their dogma pertaining to commerce is built, is the incapacity to understand and/or refusal to accept how economics works.
leagle eagle has legal views that only apply the law when its a internet safe opinion, He's the Ludwig of lawtube.
He has to be. He's gonna play the game to win. He's a lawyer. That's the first trick in his book.
To be fair he is on the correct side of the rittenhouse issue so in spite of having a major TDS, he’s… Okay.
"Don't believe your lying eyes, gaming industry is in great shape"
I had a genuine moment of confusion during the shit-cube video. "The vidoe can't be that old he said he has an Xbox One." Then I realized he meant the original Xbox.
How dare you confuse an excellent console like the Xbox one with an overpriced coprolite like the Xbox One
One has to be dishonest to bring up inflation as an argument because along with inflation, it is evident that the salaries have not kept up with inflation.
Socialism is when wages go up with inflation. - Fox Business guy one time, probably
@@80krauseractually it was the socialists that caused the current economy problems.
@@80krauser Hahaha, how convenient.
He almost literally says "hello fellow consumers"...
...Whenever Schurlpo is mentioned Smormu just comes to my mind so I imagine him just chilling with the guys.
Smormu. I've come to bargain.
"A mount for WoW made more money than Starcraft 2. This is why."- PiratedSoftware.
Surprisingly it was Rags that kept bringing up the most important part of why gaming is like it is today, Enough players accept it for it to be profitable.
@@AfutureVThat and the changes in corporate compensation after the repeal of Glass-Stegall incentivize this sort of short-term decision-making.
yeah if people werent buying...
Using manipulative tactics and poor arguments to justify the AAA game industry's predatory practices is the only thing that brings me joy in life
Dev is the reincarnation of Navi.
It would explain why the trucker video isn't out. All faries stop existing once their job is done.
Whats up, my unlisted ewoks?
It's almost 4 am. Perfect to watch the vod.
yub nub
"Couldn't go to e621..."
Rag's is NOT beating the furry allegations.
Was he ever denying them?
Holy shit is that DasBoSchitt and PatricianTV
Yes
The most ambitious crossover
They've both been on a few times
Dev pushing almost everyone's buttons.
"Remember to record the unlifing note for your mom in this obscene voice so she can consider the positive aspects of your demise to help ease her mourning!"
Salutations, my unlisted brethren!
Great episode! Felt like early EFAP!
Holy shit Blyatgamer is the new Jared
on Extra credits, the "annoying voice guy" was the original guy behind the EC. However at some point after the start of the history series. he left the EC. and the new guy came in. Before he left. the EC was very much talking against bad game industry practice, and was more akin to game developer curiosities.
we can bully the listed gang now that they arent here. just dont tell anyone 👀
Lies of the j'die
The passion of the indie games community massively outweighs the willingness of AAA development studios to improve their quality, and I think that one of my favorite indie stories is the one surrounding Helltaker. There was once a guy who really liked sharply dressed demon babes, so he made a simple block-pushing puzzle game, got a youtube music person to make the OST for it, and put the game on Steam for free. It was an overnight hit that still has a passionate community to this day, despite the game itself taking less than an hour to complete. The developer even put out a small expansion a year later (also for free). The only paid dlc he ever put out was for the artbook, which also came with a pancake recipe.
Unlisted Gang is unlisted. Gang.
You don't know from old ;)
I was born in 1975.
There is no one to one comparison with previous prices or products. How about, products are absolutely not built to last anymore. True, they are generally cheaper, they often are more convenient to use and easier to acquire, and they also have more useless functions added, more electronics inserted where they're not needed, they break down faster and more frequently, and are more difficult and/or expensive to fix. What are such differences worth?
In other words, Dev is mostly wrong.
It's fine if you're into buying and trying out the newest technology, but that's a choice, not something that is decided for you. Not so fine when there's no alternative if you value durability more. What's worse is that planned obsolescence isn't just for small electronic products, like the phones that you can't use anymore because companies deliberately reduce their functionality even if they're actually working fine. The same practices and tactics are in play when it comes to cars & appliances, which used to be built to last for decades, and, as opposed to furniture, which can still be found in higher quality if you save up enough or buy the old stuff second hand, those don't last even if you're willing/able to buy higher end.
You might think the advantages of a newer car are worth the loss of durability, and that's perfectly valid in some cases. But is a washing machine, for instance, really cheaper if you have to replace it or fix it for an unreasonable price every several years instead of decades? I've been using those things for about 40 years now, and I can absolutely tell you that they haven't improved to an extent that would justify the drop in durability.
Bottom line, it's nearly impossible to compare pricing over decades in any meaningful way. The only thing that matters, ultimately, is what people are willing and/or able to pay, and this goes double for entertainment products. Fringy is absolutely right on this point. You need food and shelter to live. You likely need a phone and a form of transportation to work. Video games, movies, streaming, etc. are luxuries, and you'll only pay the price at the intersection of what you can afford and what the product is worth to you, and no historical calculation of pricing or arguments about CEO salaries or even a full night's "research" worth of a video will change that.
The inflation with quality of good thing is kind of iffy if you ask me. Yes, my PC is better than it was 20 years ago, but I do not get more utility from it. 90% of the increase in capability is eaten up by increased hardware requirements for everything from Windows to Word. And I definitely do not get more utility from outlook than I did 20 years ago. Websites are way heavier than they used to be as well. So yes, it is better, but I cannot get a new computer based on specs from 20 years ago, and if I could, chances are I wouldn't be able to properly use it for modern requirements. I could type in old word, but then I would need to send it to a colleague, at which point it turns out layout compatibility isn't perfect. Or worse, I get a modern document and old word has no compatibility at all.
"What you buy now is better than what you bought 20 years ago" stops being relevant when I cannot decide the stuff from 20 years ago was good enough and remain at that level to make use of the reduced prices. I am required to buy the modern stuff.
"More bang for my buck" but I do not require that much bang.
Yeah, programmers forgot how to compress thngs. You are lucky if demo takes below 10 gigabites of memory. Visual novels, drawings with music, can weigh 16 giga because of pictures in 4K ?!
dev being dev as per usual
How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man!
He looks like Brendan Frasier in "The Whale"
Overpriced factor food is the only thing that bring me joy in life
I like when they make detailed arguments in response to videos. I like when they banter and go on long tangents. I HATE when they spend 15-30 minutes doing neither because ever they pause 30 seconds for 5 dumbass adlibs that weren’t funny or meaningful enough to be worth acknowledging. It’s a better listening experience when they let someone finish their foolish/weak thought and THEN tear it down with their arguments instead of stopping halfway through a thought, spend about 5 minutes arguing against the predicted statement, spend 45 minutes on an interesting tangent, play the rest of the sentence in the video, pause again to reiterate their critiques now that everyone is reminded of the topic at hand, then repeat.
#5:07:00 No, DEV, NOOOO. System resource usage is not indicative of the complexity / quality / fidelity of a game, this is a nonsense graph. I play indie games that abuse the shit out of system resources and take minutes to load on a hi-end PC, but still look like ass compared to AAA, while being simple as a stick.
Some things we buy today are of better quality than in years past but a whole lot aren't. Things built 30+ years ago were built to last. Things now are usually built to be replaced in 5-10 years or so.
Yeah 100%. The Super Nintendo consoles STILL work even after all these -years- DECADES. People only replaced them because there was a stark upgrade in technology.
Nowadays, if people could just keep new getting XBox 360 games at the same graphics and same memory, they absolutely would.
All i want is a simple console that works well enough that I can plunck on without thinking about and have it just work.
The ONLY reason I have a Series X is because of entirely arbitrary system changes, intentional file bloat, and graphics upgrades that don't even matter if the design is shit.
So Extra Credits pulled a chris stuckmann and said 'please thing of the developers working their fingers to the bone to squeeze out the best product they could'.
5:07:00 a friendly reminder that the size of Super Mario Wonder is 3.5GB, Tears of the Kingdom is 16GB.
Call of Duty MW3 (the new one) is 149GB big. I would never consider that game to be "more complex" than the previous two.
The original Crackdown (open world city, destructible environments, vehicles, detailed comic-book artstyle, sporadic exposition dumps from a narrator) all fits on an 8.5GB DVD
COD is that big only because they are selling it digitally and don't spend time/money on optimilization
04:03:27 "We want to explain to you why it's absolutely justified to raise the prices NOW because of all these things that are happening NOW but we dont have data from the last few years (aka NOW) to prove it."
youtube? more like shit cube.
4:50:01
“Smaller little gay man”
I legit thought he said that when I first Heard it 😂
Love episodes like this. Big panel. Talking games. Lots of talking that’s not about the shitty video they’re watching.
43:05 "what size clothes are you?" Extra medium
Even if they're your friends, don't humor them, normalize not laughing at bad jokes.
I think I'm gonna bake some chocolate chip cookies
Regarding the graphics portion of the argument, I've noticed so many games nowadays rely extremely heavily on resolution scaling for performance. My 1080Ti isn't what it used to be, but optimization has gotten so bad that I need to use dynamic resolution to get above 20 FPS in most AAA games.
I want to throw my PC out the window sometimes, have a Ryzen 5800X and an RTX 4070 Ti and some games still struggle to get 90fps @1440. Games like Mechwarrior 5 which is a couple years old.
So then I end up playing Death Must Die, Dwarf Fortress, ToME, or Balatro...
3:58:05 quality oh homes has absolutely dropped. the lumber, even if just the skeleton and then you finish with some other material, is of a noticeably poorer quality. My house was built in the 1910's and i had to do some updates, the quality of wood i used (not the cheapest stuff) isn't even comparable to the old lumber. its like paper and is already warping.
Modern AAA games suffer from the same problems as hollywood blockbusters...
Corporate bloat.
Games are so fucked that they need twice as many devs to make half the games the old ones were...
So while it costs more to make, its not that value is increasing, just cost.
I kinda love how much of this was tangenting off into nostalgia about video games and the video game industry as a whole
Oh shit, I’m part of the Unlisted League!
God, Dev is annoying
Arise, unlisted ones.
Oh cool, an ad for Rings of Power season 2. I can't wait to not watch it.
I cant wait to watch Disparu delve further into madness after watching it!
@@Timbo_Slice He gazes into the Palantir and on the other end is the writers room for Rings of Power.
Yeah, I'm excited. More LotR and Random Film Talk covering it.
2:02:42 - funny thing everyone like to hate on EA but it was a publisher of "Battle of Middle Earth II" and I remember that back in the day when official servers of this game were still open I used to play that Battle of BFME II a lot on-line and whatever I didn't have some costume map, it would automatically install itself on my computer... for free! Host will send it to players who didn't have it - that how you share maps. Those were the days! 😊
Dev is rambling incoherently again
How do you mess up the Hard Pills To Swallow meme? 1:10:40
Lynch Dev
I feel bad for the kinect because it's a decent full body tracker for the price and the time, i unironically recommend it for vr
As someone who bought and played Sonic Riders, Steel Battalion: Heavy Armor and Kinect Star Wars, I couldn't disagree more.
@@Lobsterwithinternet played The Haunt on it and it was some good old fun
@@UnicornStorm Then I wish I got that.
Kind of like how I wanted to get Star Wars Jedi Starfighter but got Froger: The Great Quest.
@@Lobsterwithinternet i think the problem was that the games were not really well made for it
1:22:55 I can't wait to get old and sound like Bane.
Modern Game Dev: "Game devs have to be more public and post blogs to compete."
Team Cherry: "What's that?"
Surprised to see Dasboschitt here!
He’s one of they’re oldest guests. And been on many times. Basically a staple of memefaps.
It's quite telling to me that the go-to reason that makes a console worth buying seems to be exclusives. It screams "Our system isn't good enough on it's own" and it's really sad how some people seemingly hold it against the console when the company behind it is more pro-customer and releases their games on other platforms. You are literally saying you want them to be more anti-customer. I, on the other hand, am quite happy with this because no exclusive will ever make me waste hundreds of dollars that I can spend on upgrading my PC or buying games.
The best Sonic is Sonic Battle but efap crew aren't prepared for that conversation.
They aren't. They have no idea the Gameboy was the golden age of sonic games.
The best Sonic is clearly Shuffle. Fight me.
Sonic Battle isn't even the best Sonic fighting game.
@@321cheeseman
Listen.
We know.
Sonic the Fighters ft. *B E A N* is the only real fighting game, and, the only good Sonic game. This is something we know, we all this know this. But, we need to keep our expectations realistic.
*LONG* man is not *OLD* man. Until Mauler unlocks the multiverse of longness, there's just no way for them to get a Dreamcast, and play, the only good video game ever made.
But, we all know Rags has an GBA emulator for the game, he's a furry, it's mandatory for him to own every game Rogue the Bat appears in, so, this is the *best* we can do for now.
I'm chaotic good, but I sometimes put my pinky under the mug.
3:32:00 I'm thinking of like literally 15 indie games that came out of literally nowhere and were developed either by one person or an extremely small team that sold gangbusters and are wild hits, some even have sequels out right now so the dude dev is talking about is full of shit just trying to advertise his business.
Oh Jon definitely was. The episode is on Sidescrollers if you're interested, Dev and Craig only spoke with him because the guy was going to write a piece about Gamergate and target them.
The guy was a crypto-bro who invests in VR and live service projects.
The Derailment Stream
Ive recently gotten into a JRPG series Legend of Heroes whose three recent releases had limited(launch) physical editions for 100 dollars from their site which had artbooks the soundtrack and other small items. seems like that may be the current equivalent to the sixty release from over a decade ago
Omg for a minute on the lady in the true sweater I thought the eyebrows were closed eyes and the two lines where weird nostrils 😆
God, I sometimes forget how squeaky ww can sound
2:48:16 Oh hey, it's Live Action One Piece.
6:32:00 superior MovieBob
People need to realize that there was also a change in the business world, especially in the gaming industry, from the mid-2000s to the middle of the 2010s after the repeal of Glass-Stegal which allowed a lot of previously prohibited practices as well as the change in corporate governance and compensation.
Funny enough, Jim Sterling had a video on this shift in the gaming industry where he was told that executives from packaged goods were coming over and taking over gaming companies and bringing their business practices with them.
Repeal of Glass-Stegal did so much harm it is insane. Glad to see more people know about it
dude got wrecked only haming a mad catz wireless gamecube controller, no wonder he hated gamecube
You guys have a very partial understanding of the game industry.
Rule 1: Whatever you want to prove, there is always an exception that proves it.
Examples: Companies can get by on good will: Look at Blizzard in the past and CDPR. Its possible to get by on solo development: Just look at Lucas Pope. Etc.
However, there are always other examples that prove the opposite point.
Why do all these youtube clowns such as Extra Credits and Totally Not Mark talk in an odd cadence and tone?
It's lke they took lessons in voice acting from old advertisments.
oof it was that ky-s under the breath, isn't it.
6:00:05 Valid criticism
I felt a bit bad for weekend warrior on this one . Seemed like he got over talked a lot
I never thought I would see them cover nintendo shitcube. It's so out of left field. I love it
5:37:56 Jimothy, lol
4:21 new delhi north shoutout 😂
4:01 India shoutout 😂
6:38:38 He looks like the main character from Lisa the Painful.
The short amount of time I played CSGO over 1.6 I happened to get a skin for one of the worst pistols in the game. It just adds a painted banana to your grip. That's all I needed(Ok but how I wish it was a gallizion bucks skin so I could be stupid rich for a day and buy a house of solid gold.
There’s legit way too many people in this efap
There is a comment right below yours that says, "Love episodes like this. Big panel." Is that not legit?
Can Dev please stop derailing every five seconds?
Too many guests on this one. You should have a hard cap at 6.
Can we get more segments where they just talk about older stuff like Xbox vs PS3?
This old discussion stuff is always fascinating to hear people talk about
Mauler, you're like 30. You're not "an oldie". Not even close.
We are all Boomers now
Does dev include 3d land and 64 DS in his list?
probably not. It is the least like the other 3D games. It is more in-line with the 2.5D sidescrollers.
64DS is just a worse version of 64, there really isn't any reason to rank it.
@@BoxyBrown717 it's more than just a stripped down version of the original game. They compensated that with the extra levels and characters... I guess it's an Expansion Demake
@@UnicornStorm They added 30 stars, different characters to play as, and mini games at the cost of how functional the gameplay is. The controls and character movement in DS are absolutely awful and they even compensated for this by making all the characters except Wario have better jump height than Mario did in original 64. Honestly, the mini games they added were the better content then what they did to the base game.
@@BoxyBrown717 these are good points, but don't adress your original claim that it is JUST a worse version of Mario 64. There's enough in there to make it a different experience even if it's a worse one
Dev has a kiwifarms thread? Mega cringe
Mega mid*
@@Timbo_Slice*Ultra mid
I liked the Xbox Kenect games
46:00 I'm a big Metroid fan, but I'll forgive you just this once, Dev, because I'm also not the biggest fan of Super Metroid. Don't get me wrong, it's absolutely a seminal game, its level design is top notch, and it introduces absolute staples of Metroid like the Speed Booster and Super Missiles. But the controls and the floatiness just don't click with me. And neither does Samus's movement speed; her walk is too slow and her run is too fast. But you can chalk that all up to the GBA Metroid games being my introduction, where the jumps are snappier and she has the perfect in-between speed due to the lack of a run button.
Xbox360 more like Xbox I turn 360 degrees and walk away
If you turn 360 degrees you’d end up facing the same direction.
@@realistic_delinquentobviously the XBOX, after checking that it is in fact alone without backup, would step backwards away from him for fear of showing flight behavior
@@realistic_delinquent it’s a Chris Chan quote
Add to the infamous red ring of death of the 360 too
@@realistic_delinquent you can walk away while facing the same direction, it'd just be an unneeded spin
In a game like Destiny 2, wherein microtransactions are seemingly not wanted or are fair by most fans met6rics, I would say that Having them changes Nothing, technically, except for some of the constant facts that appear throughtout gaming content with paid extra stuff: The Paid Extra Stuff is ALWAYS cooler than anything already in the game, to the point where, well why play the base game and get base game loot? When I can just buy the coolest looking shit for a couple bucks. No matter the price, it's dumb for that reason, had these cosmetics or extra things been earnable by some annoying method IN-GAME or they werent 100% universally cooler than base game shit, this problem Goes Away.