I said this on Twitter and I’ll repost it here: Millar: Let’s get the best creators together, get them the best rates possible & save the comicbook industry. Waid: I would rather the industry burned than you help save it. Which one of these guys sounds like he loves comics. And which one is Syndrome from The Incredibles?
I watched that Mark Millar mini summit with three comic book retailers who have chains of comic book stores. They didn't really get into the political/social side (even though Mark Millar did try to ask them about it due to the current cancel pigs drama). They basically all said they need the rockstars back at the Big Two writing long form quality runs (one shots/mini's wouldn't help). The main current concern was the lack of editorial oversight leading to a drop in quality. Which left them all with books they couldn't sell.
To me that just says their hatred for someone is bigger then their love for heroes they write. As someone who was pretty much raised and inspired by comics because of a bad childhood I can never understand that.
Waid didn’t say that all. He said he would rather the industry burned then work with someone who is alt-right. That doesn’t describe Millar. And if you’re offended by that statement and you’re saying you’re alt-right. Then you’re a problem.
Yeah I watched it too. I believe one of them said something along the lines of: you could have 10 criticisms that are apolitical and one that is political. And they will zero in on that one that’s political. I think that’s why they wanted to steer away from that conversation. I do agree that having 5 or 10 or 20 super creative teams come back for a short time isn’t going to solve the problems. Fans need reassurance that the creators are invested as much as they are. If we want to see fans back reading monthly books for years. We need creators on those books for long runs.
Saying you won't work with Nazi's - not red voters, but Nazis - is not bigotry. Waid repudiated the alt-right, not the right. People seem to have misunderstood this in the fire of the reaction. It's the entire substance of the issue.
I stopped all DC Comics a few months ago, and I regretted dropping World’s Finest until this week. Mark Waid is not worth a second thought, his work not worth supporting, and his legacy in comics tarnished beyond repair. It’s like arguing with a petulant child, you gain nothing except giving the kid the attention that they want. Collect stories, not series.
I almost thinked in give DC a new chance because Superman titles but PKJ are leaving Action Comics in this month, a very bad move from DC so I lost my interest again. DC love piss off your fans.
I'm also done supporting Waid after what he said about LCSs. I always was familiar with his temper and even attempted to ignore his political rage rants and hatred. But I can't ignore what he said. I always try to separate the art from the artist, evaluating the craft. And Mark Waid for a long time was one of my favorite CB writers. Kingdom Come is in my top five favorite comics and his F4 run is criminally underrated. But Mark Waid is a lunatic and someone who should know better than to go after LCSs given he's been to them and has sales from them. But I guess politics really rotted his brain or took whatever darkness was there and amplified it. And I can't support someone like that in good faith. Good luck with your industry, Mark, as manga eats away at what you have, alongside crowd-funders.
Fairly new to comics. Kingdom Come is probably one of my fave comic book stories so far. Mark Waid needs to read his own work again and maybe get inspired by his own words? Alex Ross seems to get tied to thought provoking comics? Kingdom Come, Uncle Sam, The Marvels, The Worlds Greatest Superheroes. Some of the most interesting & heartfelt stories I have read in comics so far.
agree. im willing to try and separate the artist from their politics.... but when they cant do the same? when they go out of their way to judge, curse and condemn me (their customer) because of what they assume or imagine my politics or beliefs are? then i have to choose self respect and integrity over their disposable wares.
I saw Chuck Dixon at a show and a fan asked about Waid during their time at Crossgen. He said that Waid would have a story turned down and he would trash his desk, sit on the floor and cry. Another time, he smashed a company phone to pieces, parts flying everywhere and had to pay for it. Dixon finished with "Most people thought he was not all there." This was years ago, so if I got anything wrong, apologies to Chuck Dixon.
Yeah, I got a lot of, separate the art from the artist speech after I said I would never buy a Waid comic. But my conscience wouldn’t let me. I’m glad I listened.
One thing is to separate the art from the artist, another is directly funding someone who in his own words hates you. Pirate his books if you want to read him but giving him money is just counterproductive.
It grinds my gears that Jeremy Adams' run on Green Lantern doesn't get more attention. He is one of the most overlooked talents in the industry and I had a nice conversation with him at the Calgary Expo.
If they don’t have everything their way, let it burn. I hate that everyone’s so ego driven and narcissistic, clearly these writers don’t share the same values as the heroes they’re writing. Comics are getting more depressing with each passing month.
It is what it is, comics of big two, now being written by people who rather side with villains than stop their pandering, this is why these books feels so icky, brainwashing in pure form, they don't give a fack about history of characters, retcons left and right just to push LGBT+ in any square hole that there is.
I've said this elsewhere, and I'll say it here, too: Mark Waid is the hapless, always angry George Castanza of the comics world screaming "SERENITY NOW!" while his career burns to the ground.
Oh wow. I wasn't aware Mark Waid was a problem. Man I hate the social media of these creators. Going in blind and not thinking about the creator was always my preference. The problem is now their comics read like their social media page as they insert more and more causes in their stories. Mark Waid especially knows the characters and I expect more from him.
This the problem.Waid know very well how write the heroes in your characterizations. Why he try to defend these modern hacks don't even know the heroism concept?
I dropped him completely years ago when he was took to court for tortious interference. Trying and succeeding to shut down independent creators was my final straw. Shortly after that he also called a black youtuber a white supremacist. The man may know how to write a comic but he is one of the most vile people in the industry. I'll never open another one of his books.
My problem with finding out some of my favorite creators are POS is that they retroactively ruin their comics for me. Not only I can't read anything they're writing at the time, I can't read anything they wrote until that point because, especially if we're talking about superheroes, that means they never believed in anything they made. Mark Waid doesn't think like a hero, he thinks like a villain. He's writing about selfless, responsible individuals, and he's actually a fcking overgrown kid who wants everything for himself.
This is the last straw for me too. I won't throw out the books I already own because that doesn't really make sense but I definitely won't buy any moving forward. Screw you Waid!
1. I will say this about Mark Waid: you would never know he was the comic industry’s biggest jerk given his writing output. 2. Mark Waid is everything that EVS is portrayed to be by the comic’s leftists.
I did the exact same thing with Waid. People told me Worlds Finest were good and I liked the art plus Mark kept his mouth shut for awhile so I decided to jump back in. I will be skipping his books going forward and hopefully DC/Marvel will learn a lesson in allowing their creators to attack fans and retailers (Though I doubt it).
I took World's Finest and Shazam off my pull yesterday. Calling my shop later to see if it's too late to cancel them for January. If Waid wants me to choose between him and comics, he better be prepared to lose out
I'm with you. Waid does not own or represent the entire comics industry. He only represents himself, and needs to stay in his lane. Despite "WF" being the best book DC puts out on a monthly basis, I will no longer support it because I won't support someone who hates me as a customer and the industry in general. I have always loved superhero comics, and always will, and refuse to support anyone who would rather see the industry die than show some tolerance and let everyone enjoy the hobby on their own terms.
Isn't it funny that any time somebody criticizes the industry for poor behavior, in order to start a conversation about the problems and how to fix them, the same handful of ankle bitters crawl up out of the sewer and drag everybody into a mud slinging match to get off topic?
Odd how people who comment on "Internet Drama (tm)" feel the need to announce to all and sundry that they "TOTALLY DON'T CARE ABOUT INTERNET DRAMA LOL TOUCH GRASS LOSERS".
@@anneoneal3865 Dude you are reading way too heavily into this. If you care, more power to you. I don’t and frankly it doesn’t take away from my enjoyment of Millar or Waid’s work.
@@CoreyAdolfi Consume whatever piece of media you want created by whoever you choose. Just don't expect a round of applause and a trophy for it. It's comic books, not a cure for cancer.
@@CoreyAdolfi Consume whatever piece of media you want created by whoever you choose. Just don't expect a round of applause and a trophy for it. It's comic books, not a cure for cancer.
He may have a point if alt-right actually meant anything bad and wasn’t a generic slur regularly applied to everyone to the right Karl Marx. The whole left/right spectrum has much less meaning today and often just a tool by extremists to slur other extremists both ways, many people including politicians actual hold a spectrum of views some of which would have historically been considered a mix of left and right.
I was the one Waid replied to on facebook, Not only did i think my comment was pretty tame i was surprised at the reply and reaction from his followers. Truth be told i unfollowed him and left the chat and haven't checked since other than what i have seen online and youtube. To be honest i couldn't be bothered with the unhinged bs i was seeing all for saying that adults should come together for a common cause to help fix what we all love. I still pull Waid's WF book but the thought did cross my mind of why should i support someone who said what he said.
I can’t separate the art from the artist any longer with this guy either, decided yesterday that I’ll be voting with my wallet on Waid from now on. He’s a good writer but the way he’s gone after a fellow pro, especially so disingenuously - knowing fine well his little band of cronies will just jump on the bandwagon and mob handed bully yet another individual online without even stopping to think for themselves or looking at the facts. Enough is enough.
Waid's behavior makes it that much harder to read Kingdom Come now. Like, I can't believe such a gigantic manbaby managed to craft such a beautiful story. I might even sell it to a friend and use the money to start collecting Berkserk and Vinland Saga. I just don't want anything to do with him anymore.
And this is why I don't have X or Twitter. Some things that you may want to say or that you think in your own mind, do not need to be shared with the rest of the world. Mark Waid should understand that.
Yeah I'm done too. Sucks cause he's a really good writer and not part of the problem in that realm, he actually writes the characters not writes himself into the characters. I'll drop World's Finest and Shazam and replace it with other books. Suggestions?
Waid hasn't been worth a damn since KINGDOM COME. I don't care for anything he writes. He can go where the sun don't shine. His problem is his ego and hubris.
Mark Waid has a long history of being unhinged from punching holes in the wall when an editor didn’t do what he was told or he didn’t get his way. Didio had plenty of flaws but there’s a reason why DC gave Waid an extended “time out.” Waid wasn’t the only one. His colleague Peter David was guilty of screaming at fans and comic shop owners concerned about the health of the industry
I appreciate that for a long time, Wes sold World's Finest explicitly*in spite* of Waid's behavior. I was tempted, really, to get it. But yeah, I'm noping out. Thanks and sorry. He can write well when he's on, really. But I have limits.
Well, the comic book industry is burning, no one at Marvel and DC wants to do anything to stop it. When those two companies fail, Mark Waid will needs to "learn to code". Mark Waid is comic book famous with millions of dollars, but he acts like god. IMO, It's up to the independents.
Normally I’ve been able to separate the creator from his asinine comments. But this one as well put me over the edge. As much as I hate to not buy Superman Batman worlds finest, because superman is one of my favorite characters and it’s actually a decent read. I’m done as well. Mark Wade no longer exist in my world, and I absolutely won’t buy anything new that he puts out.
8:37 Sheeeeesh. That’s a lot of damage!! Get absolutely wrecked Mark! This is some straight elder abuse from Classic Marvel Era 😂 The fact they were so nice in their responses while Waid got angry, I’m shocked, talked down to them and repeated himself just shows who won that argument.
It is sad to see a creator like Waid, whose work you once enjoyed been mask off fuming with envy in a way that shows how selfish he can be, and really how out of love he has fallen with the medium. Millar, even if many of his stories dont connect with me, cant be denied enjoys comics as as creator and as a fan. For me the loser in all of this is Dan Mora, a great artist whose work is paired with Waid. Hope Mora finds another good team player, or work in a proyect with Millar.
I read the latest issue Green Lantern last night. It was on the top of my pile. Jeremy Adams writes fun stories. I just want to read fun stories. If Marvel and DC concentrated more on what makes their characters fun I think we’d see a lot more engagement from more readers.
Totally agree with what you're saying about Waid. I refuse to buy anything with his name on it from now on. In fact, there are a few comic creators i won't be supporting anymore. I'd rather spend my money on Mark Millar books at this point.
wes, you're amazing, U always seem to hit the nail right on the head !!! Even tho I don't buy marvel or DC since they lost their way, I still listen to your comment's!!! 🤗
Stuff like this won't stop until the retailers start boycotting creators like this. If shops refuse to carry books from people like Mark Waid and Ron Marz this stuff would stop a lot quicker.
It's about time. I know you are documenting all of this nonsense, and for that you have my respect. You lasted a lot longer than I did. Mark Waid reminds me of a lesson my dad taught me all the way back in elementary: "Always listen to someone when they think punishment is beyond them, because you hear who they truly are." Yes, Mark did a few good runs but you are forgetting the circumstances of those runs. Those runs got eyes on dying i.p. and revitalized some, it help companies not go under. Mark thought that because of these accolades he was beyond reproach [I am not saying he saved the industry; a lot of people did their part, Mark was just in that group. Think of Mark as being there when USA took Bagdad and he thinks he did it alone, and tries to take all the credit, while in reality he was in the 22th brigade out of a total of 23]. After his success, we should have known what was up in the 2k. None of his books got off the ground. Every story had a theme of hatred of family, hatred of American tradition, or hatred of responsibility (especially men' responsibility). Then he was brought on to Ultimate Spiderman and made Miles, that is where I stopped. Everything about Miles is a stereotype. His motive isn't definite because every time Miles is given a story to his self, it devolves into 1970's stereotype b.s. about black people-- that's not even real [real as at least be close enough to be a trop]. It is not a coincidence that every time Waid writes Miles, he only cares for shoes, hip-hop, and "his parents not getting him", or some dumbass preachy rant about "racism". I digress... In short Waid is a lucky idiot that failed to push his self as an artist. Someone clapped for him and his head exploded. And everyone has been to nice to tell him the truth for 13 years now. Trust me, as an artist, there are those--artist-- out there that need a reality check every now and then because they lack the discipline to control their egos.
Waid's response reminds me of Solomon's descension when settling the dispute of which of two women was the mother of a child: *_Which Mark truly loves comics? The one that would rather see it live rather than the one who wants to see it burn._* Waid is a bitter old man, and the sooner he gets out of the industry the better it will be for comics in general.
Hate to break it to you but they won’t hire these old creator’s because they are white, usually straight and male but most importantly, they won’t bend as easily to the new religion.
Outside of a few interviews and Twitter postings. I know nothing about Millar. So for all I know, behind the scenes, Millar could be spending his time kicking puppies and clubbing baby seals. But for a guy that could just be quiet and count his money, he seems like he cares about the industry and wants it and the people that work in it to do better. Make money. Stuff like that. But somehow, the people that will constantly whine about how comics broke them or how they need money to pay their rent this or next month treat him like he's the bad guy. It's insane. Millar is like the frog and these nutters are the scorpion.
Well said, Wes. Couldn't agree more. I really enjoyed his first run on World's Finest and was just about to purchase the second volume, along with the first collected volume of Shazam, when he had his idiotic meltdown on twitter. That was it for me. I will no longer purchase anything from the guy. He's a dumpster fire of a human being and I'm not going to give any of my money to him.
Bout time. I've been done with him for years after he exposed what a lunatic he is. People keep giving him a pass because he's got some talent and writes comics the way we mostly want them to be written and it's sad that the state of things is so bad that they'll overlook his behavior because fans are desperate for a decent super hero comic in this day and age.
I’ve talked before about being a fan of both Captain America and U.S.Agent, so I’d like to share something from the storyline The Captain that applies to some people in real life. John Walker started out doing a good job as Captain America because despite his arrogance, he wanted to honor the mantle he’d been given. Even though he didn’t like Steve Rogers, there were times he thought about what Captain America would do in a given situation. However, he let his anger & pain overwhelm him and turned away those who tried to help him, and it ruined his career as Captain America. Fortunately for John, he was able to continue a heroic career because despite being a jerk at times, he still had morals and care for people (I can give some examples if people want). Unfortunately, some people in real life let their anger, pain, and pride consume them and don’t let go of their pride so they can improve their situation; they’d rather attack others in a vain attempt to feel something. I don’t care what your politics are, but if you’re being eaten alive by anger and hatred, get help because that’s no way to live.
Is the Priest run a good John Walker comic? He was my favorite character in Falcon and Winter Soldier and I wanted to read more of him, but so far I've only found Priest run.
@@karaoconnoraliasraidra uh, I think TH-cam didn't registered. Usually when I get replies I receive notifications both from TH-cam and from my email. So I think it didn't register.
@@GiovanniAlckmimRusso Dang. Well, let’s try this again! I went from getting excited about it to feeling it was a waste of time to thinking, “You know, it’s not half bad!” There were some things that were weird and confusing (including a fake-out I’m glad was just a fake-out), but I think Priest did make an effort to be fair and respectful with both John and Lemar (The moments with Battlestar were the best parts of the series). I highly recommend getting a TPB called U.S.Agent: The Good Fight which collects a number of stories with John (including the first two U.S. Agent miniseries). I also recommend Captain America: The Captain, although that one will be pricier.
The man tried to destroy Ya Boi Zack by bullying Antarctic Press into cancelling his book. That's enough of a reason for me to ignore Mark Waid's books.
Millar: "Lets create good comics and medium that people will buy and enjoy" Waddling Waid: "I just want everything to burn down" Millar: "Stop being a cancel pig" Waddling Waid: "OINK OINK SQUEEEEEEEE"
He's not worth my Wednessday money. If you need to complete a collection, you are better off buying back issues, and back issue sales always happen. A comic might increase when it comes out, but if you wait a year, they go down in price.
This is why I hate the whole politics thing in comics. I don't mind of people are alt right, extreme left or how important political things are in your life. I have friends who are like that (on both sides). I don't praise or condemn people for it. But saying stuff like "rather see comics die then work with the other side" is just something I hate so much. You rather destroy something that brought joy, inspiration to people all over the world for decades then work with someone you don't like!? You can work with them, never talk politics and share your love for Superman. Common ground can make people work together for the greater good! Sorry I can't stand stuff like that....
I definitely like a lot of mark waids comics but I cannot beleive he said mark millar's star is fading. Didn't all of mark millar's comics last year sell insane numbers. And don't forget the 100 million dollars he got from Netflix or the kickass, kingsman, wanted movies.
Yup. Big Game has had about as much buzz as anything else lately, plus Millar moving over to Dark Horse was (correctly) viewed as significant news when it was announced. Millar is many things. A fading star is not one of them
Mark Waid needs to act like a mature adult. I do not want to support people that act the way he does. I also feel the exact same way about Ethan Van Sciver and Shane Davis. I no longer support them either after their crappy behavior. I feel bad for Dan Mora, though. This is going to hurt him also.
Well when a artist goes full diva I tend to pick up the stuff they made pre-owned. Cake & eat it scenario as they get zero profit off a resale. I got pre-owned Waid & EVS stuff.
@@nuke7138 Well with advent of social media we get to see highly strung diva artists meltdown in real time. We was just sheltered from all this diva drama back in the day due to technological limitations.
Bottom line you reap what you sow When your petty and short sighted and just plain mean instead of Creative and Innovating your gonna ultimately just be an after thought in the minds of the fans ....great video as always !⭐⭐⭐⭐
When this amount of corruption entwines with the fabric of this former beloved hobby. Is there enough to save or too much to fight on saving? I left DC almost since the First Flashpoint and haven't looked back.
Really, it took that? Not him sending a wreath of black roses to Cross-Gen, not him celebrating the death of the owner's wife, not his tortious interference, not his calling everyone racist that didn't like his comic about ethnic terrorists? This?
I am just DONE with comics in general idc anymore, imma sell somethings that don't suit me more and just keep the things I wanna read or i already like, imma do this to a lot of other collections too... i really couldn't care less to comics anymore
Maybe Ill get the rest of shazam and or worlds finest down the road somewhere second hand (or maybe not). At least then waid and dc wont get any % of $ from it and DC wont be encouraged to continue down the path their on or whom theyre working with. doubtful but at least ill have made my stance (ridiculous i even HAVE to have a stance ungh, but they insist). I deliberately avoided waid's work for a while now but got sucked into worlds finest (and honestly i dont think i even realized he was writing shazam) now i do (thanks). theyll both be cancelled from my lcs hold and ill reinstate my ban of waid. Knowing how little he thinks of me / people like me or his customers and how much he would no doubt positively HATE me if we spent five minutes together just because we surely dont see eye to eye on every little thing, screw him.
Waid did the equivalent of sticking his index fingers in his ears, closing his eyes, and yelling “lalalalala” when legitimate points were brought up. What an absolute child.
I said this on Twitter and I’ll repost it here:
Millar: Let’s get the best creators together, get them the best rates possible & save the comicbook industry.
Waid: I would rather the industry burned than you help save it.
Which one of these guys sounds like he loves comics. And which one is Syndrome from The Incredibles?
I watched that Mark Millar mini summit with three comic book retailers who have chains of comic book stores. They didn't really get into the political/social side (even though Mark Millar did try to ask them about it due to the current cancel pigs drama). They basically all said they need the rockstars back at the Big Two writing long form quality runs (one shots/mini's wouldn't help). The main current concern was the lack of editorial oversight leading to a drop in quality. Which left them all with books they couldn't sell.
To me that just says their hatred for someone is bigger then their love for heroes they write. As someone who was pretty much raised and inspired by comics because of a bad childhood I can never understand that.
Waid didn’t say that all. He said he would rather the industry burned then work with someone who is alt-right. That doesn’t describe Millar. And if you’re offended by that statement and you’re saying you’re alt-right. Then you’re a problem.
Waid is leader of the Comic Cult
Yeah I watched it too. I believe one of them said something along the lines of: you could have 10 criticisms that are apolitical and one that is political. And they will zero in on that one that’s political. I think that’s why they wanted to steer away from that conversation.
I do agree that having 5 or 10 or 20 super creative teams come back for a short time isn’t going to solve the problems.
Fans need reassurance that the creators are invested as much as they are. If we want to see fans back reading monthly books for years. We need creators on those books for long runs.
For people who say they don't like bigots they sure do engage in a lot of bigoted behavior.
Just the typical leftoid deflections.
The biggest virtue signallers are always the biggest hypocrites.
Honestly, most people just roll their eyes at the word "bigot"
I know, right?
Saying you won't work with Nazi's - not red voters, but Nazis - is not bigotry. Waid repudiated the alt-right, not the right. People seem to have misunderstood this in the fire of the reaction. It's the entire substance of the issue.
I stopped all DC Comics a few months ago, and I regretted dropping World’s Finest until this week. Mark Waid is not worth a second thought, his work not worth supporting, and his legacy in comics tarnished beyond repair.
It’s like arguing with a petulant child, you gain nothing except giving the kid the attention that they want.
Collect stories, not series.
I almost thinked in give DC a new chance because Superman titles but PKJ are leaving Action Comics in this month, a very bad move from DC so I lost my interest again. DC love piss off your fans.
@@EvandroACruz Joshua Williamson will be replacing PKJ, Jason Aaron is also writing ON action comics as well. (there are rotating creative teams!)
@@MatthewLoh-ru1mw Williamson run is just ok but not great like PKJ Action Comics.
@@EvandroACruz perhaps, but at least so far it's an entertaining read, like I'm reading the Superman 90's cartoon series but in comic form😄
@@MatthewLoh-ru1mw No I cannot see the 90's cartoon in Williamson run just small references.
I'm also done supporting Waid after what he said about LCSs. I always was familiar with his temper and even attempted to ignore his political rage rants and hatred. But I can't ignore what he said. I always try to separate the art from the artist, evaluating the craft. And Mark Waid for a long time was one of my favorite CB writers. Kingdom Come is in my top five favorite comics and his F4 run is criminally underrated. But Mark Waid is a lunatic and someone who should know better than to go after LCSs given he's been to them and has sales from them. But I guess politics really rotted his brain or took whatever darkness was there and amplified it. And I can't support someone like that in good faith. Good luck with your industry, Mark, as manga eats away at what you have, alongside crowd-funders.
Fairly new to comics. Kingdom Come is probably one of my fave comic book stories so far. Mark Waid needs to read his own work again and maybe get inspired by his own words? Alex Ross seems to get tied to thought provoking comics? Kingdom Come, Uncle Sam, The Marvels, The Worlds Greatest Superheroes. Some of the most interesting & heartfelt stories I have read in comics so far.
agree. im willing to try and separate the artist from their politics.... but when they cant do the same? when they go out of their way to judge, curse and condemn me (their customer) because of what they assume or imagine my politics or beliefs are? then i have to choose self respect and integrity over their disposable wares.
100% agree
Kingdom Come is a timeless master piece.It's sad to see Mark Waid behavior today.
He behaves like someone who is in bad need of therapy
I saw Chuck Dixon at a show and a fan asked about Waid during their time at Crossgen. He said that Waid would have a story turned down and he would trash his desk, sit on the floor and cry. Another time, he smashed a company phone to pieces, parts flying everywhere and had to pay for it. Dixon finished with "Most people thought he was not all there." This was years ago, so if I got anything wrong, apologies to Chuck Dixon.
Yeah, I got a lot of, separate the art from the artist speech after I said I would never buy a Waid comic. But my conscience wouldn’t let me. I’m glad I listened.
One thing is to separate the art from the artist, another is directly funding someone who in his own words hates you.
Pirate his books if you want to read him but giving him money is just counterproductive.
@@loliH9that's what I do when reading his works
The problem now is writers not separating themselves from their work.
It grinds my gears that Jeremy Adams' run on Green Lantern doesn't get more attention. He is one of the most overlooked talents in the industry and I had a nice conversation with him at the Calgary Expo.
Same with when he was doing Flash. Dude is the new Geoff Johns, but people are barely paying attention to him
So true. Loving ❤ his current runs on Flash Jay Garrick and Green Lantern. Will follow him wherever he goes and writes.@GiovanniAlckmimRusso
@@nunobarbosa3981 hope he is able to write Superman. Williamson has been doing a great job, though
@@GiovanniAlckmimRusso love Johns -- thanks for the tip!
@@danalvin1184 😉👍🏼
Waid is probably forbidden to talk about CG and Zack, so "alt-right loudmouths" is probably his loophole.
I know he and Zack had an NDA after their lawsuit but I'm not sure how long it lasts
Yep. To cancel pigs like Wade, "alt-right" means anyone that aligns with ComicsGate.
Waid has been a jerk for years, this behavior is of no surprise.
I’m not going to make Waid any richer. I give my money to people who respect fans
If they don’t have everything their way, let it burn.
I hate that everyone’s so ego driven and narcissistic, clearly these writers don’t share the same values as the heroes they’re writing.
Comics are getting more depressing with each passing month.
It is what it is, comics of big two, now being written by people who rather side with villains than stop their pandering, this is why these books feels so icky, brainwashing in pure form, they don't give a fack about history of characters, retcons left and right just to push LGBT+ in any square hole that there is.
@@totomen666then read Indies and manga
Only the big two, Indies and manga are doing well
I've said this elsewhere, and I'll say it here, too: Mark Waid is the hapless, always angry George Castanza of the comics world screaming "SERENITY NOW!" while his career burns to the ground.
Oh wow. I wasn't aware Mark Waid was a problem. Man I hate the social media of these creators. Going in blind and not thinking about the creator was always my preference. The problem is now their comics read like their social media page as they insert more and more causes in their stories. Mark Waid especially knows the characters and I expect more from him.
This the problem.Waid know very well how write the heroes in your characterizations. Why he try to defend these modern hacks don't even know the heroism concept?
I dropped him completely years ago when he was took to court for tortious interference. Trying and succeeding to shut down independent creators was my final straw. Shortly after that he also called a black youtuber a white supremacist. The man may know how to write a comic but he is one of the most vile people in the industry. I'll never open another one of his books.
@@EvandroACruz They hate heroes and even hate normal people because they feel like the ____ they actually are.
My problem with finding out some of my favorite creators are POS is that they retroactively ruin their comics for me. Not only I can't read anything they're writing at the time, I can't read anything they wrote until that point because, especially if we're talking about superheroes, that means they never believed in anything they made. Mark Waid doesn't think like a hero, he thinks like a villain. He's writing about selfless, responsible individuals, and he's actually a fcking overgrown kid who wants everything for himself.
This is the last straw for me too. I won't throw out the books I already own because that doesn't really make sense but I definitely won't buy any moving forward. Screw you Waid!
1. I will say this about Mark Waid: you would never know he was the comic industry’s biggest jerk given his writing output.
2. Mark Waid is everything that EVS is portrayed to be by the comic’s leftists.
Unfortunate timing. I just started World's Finest today.
I did the exact same thing with Waid. People told me Worlds Finest were good and I liked the art plus Mark kept his mouth shut for awhile so I decided to jump back in. I will be skipping his books going forward and hopefully DC/Marvel will learn a lesson in allowing their creators to attack fans and retailers (Though I doubt it).
He's my favorite writer, so this is completely depressing. Social media ruined comics.
Social media ruined a lot more than comics.
Not just comics, everything and everyone.
I'd say social media just revealed what these creators think of the fans.
I still like Kingdom Come and I will keep my copy, but I’m not buying anything else with his name on it.
He becomes a bitter person in the latest years. So sad.
I took World's Finest and Shazam off my pull yesterday. Calling my shop later to see if it's too late to cancel them for January. If Waid wants me to choose between him and comics, he better be prepared to lose out
I did the same thing!
Marxist Waid, is the Chairman Cancel Pig of the Animal Farm known as the comic book industry.
Dropped Waid from my pull after this nonsense. There's being anti CG and then there's just being an unhinged lunatic. I'm not supporting this dude.
I'm with you. Waid does not own or represent the entire comics industry. He only represents himself, and needs to stay in his lane. Despite "WF" being the best book DC puts out on a monthly basis, I will no longer support it because I won't support someone who hates me as a customer and the industry in general. I have always loved superhero comics, and always will, and refuse to support anyone who would rather see the industry die than show some tolerance and let everyone enjoy the hobby on their own terms.
He hates you? Lol
@@Rushman666only IF you disagree with his views
@MatthewLoh-ru1mw what exactly are your views he hates you for?
@@Rushman666 nothing. I don't engage WITH Waid nor do I talk to thim
We tolerated the behavior for so long for the sake of an industry we all love. Enough.
Stop giving money to people who hate you.
THIS.
It's not much but hey it's honest work I do my best !!!!!
Why hate Mark Waid? He is one of the best and most respected DC Creators ever to grace the pages of any DC Comics
@@Stanlos I think the above video effectively explains why some would take offense at Waid's recent behavior.
@@Stanlosbecause he's a sack of crap.
Isn't it funny that any time somebody criticizes the industry for poor behavior, in order to start a conversation about the problems and how to fix them, the same handful of ankle bitters crawl up out of the sewer and drag everybody into a mud slinging match to get off topic?
I really can’t bring myself to care about internet drama.
Odd how people who comment on "Internet Drama (tm)" feel the need to announce to all and sundry that they "TOTALLY DON'T CARE ABOUT INTERNET DRAMA LOL TOUCH GRASS LOSERS".
@@anneoneal3865 Dude you are reading way too heavily into this. If you care, more power to you. I don’t and frankly it doesn’t take away from my enjoyment of Millar or Waid’s work.
@@CoreyAdolfi
Consume whatever piece of media you want created by whoever you choose.
Just don't expect a round of applause and a trophy for it.
It's comic books, not a cure for cancer.
@@CoreyAdolfi
Consume whatever piece of media you want created by whoever you choose.
Just don't expect a round of applause and a trophy for it.
It's comic books, not a cure for cancer.
He may have a point if alt-right actually meant anything bad and wasn’t a generic slur regularly applied to everyone to the right Karl Marx. The whole left/right spectrum has much less meaning today and often just a tool by extremists to slur other extremists both ways, many people including politicians actual hold a spectrum of views some of which would have historically been considered a mix of left and right.
I was the one Waid replied to on facebook, Not only did i think my comment was pretty tame i was surprised at the reply and reaction from his followers. Truth be told i unfollowed him and left the chat and haven't checked since other than what i have seen online and youtube.
To be honest i couldn't be bothered with the unhinged bs i was seeing all for saying that adults should come together for a common cause to help fix what we all love. I still pull Waid's WF book but the thought did cross my mind of why should i support someone who said what he said.
I can’t separate the art from the artist any longer with this guy either, decided yesterday that I’ll be voting with my wallet on Waid from now on.
He’s a good writer but the way he’s gone after a fellow pro, especially so disingenuously - knowing fine well his little band of cronies will just jump on the bandwagon and mob handed bully yet another individual online without even stopping to think for themselves or looking at the facts.
Enough is enough.
Welcome to the club Wes. Give that man his coat!
It was a Mark Waid grudge/tantrum that indirectly helped me get my job at Crossgen. True story.
Nice
Waid's behavior makes it that much harder to read Kingdom Come now. Like, I can't believe such a gigantic manbaby managed to craft such a beautiful story. I might even sell it to a friend and use the money to start collecting Berkserk and Vinland Saga.
I just don't want anything to do with him anymore.
And this is why I don't have X or Twitter. Some things that you may want to say or that you think in your own mind, do not need to be shared with the rest of the world. Mark Waid should understand that.
Yeah I'm done too. Sucks cause he's a really good writer and not part of the problem in that realm, he actually writes the characters not writes himself into the characters.
I'll drop World's Finest and Shazam and replace it with other books.
Suggestions?
Waid hasn't been worth a damn since KINGDOM COME. I don't care for anything he writes. He can go where the sun don't shine. His problem is his ego and hubris.
Mark Waid has a long history of being unhinged from punching holes in the wall when an editor didn’t do what he was told or he didn’t get his way. Didio had plenty of flaws but there’s a reason why DC gave Waid an extended “time out.”
Waid wasn’t the only one. His colleague Peter David was guilty of screaming at fans and comic shop owners concerned about the health of the industry
You know, any excuse to drop a book works for me, I gotta save money. I was buying worlds finest. Dropping it now
From what I have heard of Mark Waid, he sound's like a sociopath.
I am waiting for one of these "Seperate art from the artist" types to invest in one of Adolfs paintings.
I appreciate that for a long time, Wes sold World's Finest explicitly*in spite* of Waid's behavior. I was tempted, really, to get it. But yeah, I'm noping out. Thanks and sorry. He can write well when he's on, really. But I have limits.
I haven't missed an issue and in fact is the only DC book I still buy. But you know, I think I'm done.
Well, the comic book industry is burning, no one at Marvel and DC wants to do
anything to stop it.
When those two companies fail, Mark Waid will needs to "learn to code".
Mark Waid is comic book famous with millions of dollars, but he acts like god.
IMO, It's up to the independents.
Not just Indies, but manga is also WINNING
Normally I’ve been able to separate the creator from his asinine comments. But this one as well put me over the edge. As much as I hate to not buy Superman Batman worlds finest, because superman is one of my favorite characters and it’s actually a decent read. I’m done as well. Mark Wade no longer exist in my world, and I absolutely won’t buy anything new that he puts out.
8:37 Sheeeeesh. That’s a lot of damage!! Get absolutely wrecked Mark! This is some straight elder abuse from Classic Marvel Era 😂 The fact they were so nice in their responses while Waid got angry, I’m shocked, talked down to them and repeated himself just shows who won that argument.
It is sad to see a creator like Waid, whose work you once enjoyed been mask off fuming with envy in a way that shows how selfish he can be, and really how out of love he has fallen with the medium. Millar, even if many of his stories dont connect with me, cant be denied enjoys comics as as creator and as a fan. For me the loser in all of this is Dan Mora, a great artist whose work is paired with Waid. Hope Mora finds another good team player, or work in a proyect with Millar.
I'm really getting tired of the whole:
Disagreement = yOuRe A lEfTiSt / RiGhT wInGeR
People really need to grow up.
The Plutonian mindset by Mark Waid.
I read the latest issue Green Lantern last night. It was on the top of my pile. Jeremy Adams writes fun stories. I just want to read fun stories. If Marvel and DC concentrated more on what makes their characters fun I think we’d see a lot more engagement from more readers.
Totally agree with what you're saying about Waid. I refuse to buy anything with his name on it from now on. In fact, there are a few comic creators i won't be supporting anymore. I'd rather spend my money on Mark Millar books at this point.
I’m out too.
Looking forward to talking Waid on Afficianados tomorrow.
On a similar note Waid is done with comics too.
@@rossjones8426 Nah, he said he’s going to stick around and just turn in substandard work.
The time comes when you have to stand up for what you believe in. So I understand how you feel and I agree.
Soo... Wes . When will we see a Mark Waid interview on the channel?😂
Not happening.
Ty4 the vid. I wholeheartedly agree with celebrating others' success. Rising tides lift all ships.
Waid is still tilting at his CG boogeyman? Jeez.
I can't seperate Waid's work from his behaviour anymore, and i'm a fan of Ren & Stimpy.
wes, you're amazing, U always seem to hit the nail right on the head !!! Even tho I don't buy marvel or DC since they lost their way, I still listen to your comment's!!! 🤗
Kingdom come is great. But it was Alex Ross who made it great. Without that art, it would have been just another average elseworld tale
what was the ling of Green Lantern you are liking? I checked out of GL when they launched New 52 , it made now sense
Stuff like this won't stop until the retailers start boycotting creators like this. If shops refuse to carry books from people like Mark Waid and Ron Marz this stuff would stop a lot quicker.
If 50% of the comic book readers are conservative why would you alienate have your audience makes no sense.
It's about time.
I know you are documenting all of this nonsense, and for that you have my respect. You lasted a lot longer than I did. Mark Waid reminds me of a lesson my dad taught me all the way back in elementary:
"Always listen to someone when they think punishment is beyond them, because you hear who they truly are."
Yes, Mark did a few good runs but you are forgetting the circumstances of those runs. Those runs got eyes on dying i.p. and revitalized some, it help companies not go under. Mark thought that because of these accolades he was beyond reproach [I am not saying he saved the industry; a lot of people did their part, Mark was just in that group. Think of Mark as being there when USA took Bagdad and he thinks he did it alone, and tries to take all the credit, while in reality he was in the 22th brigade out of a total of 23]. After his success, we should have known what was up in the 2k. None of his books got off the ground. Every story had a theme of hatred of family, hatred of American tradition, or hatred of responsibility (especially men' responsibility).
Then he was brought on to Ultimate Spiderman and made Miles, that is where I stopped. Everything about Miles is a stereotype. His motive isn't definite because every time Miles is given a story to his self, it devolves into 1970's stereotype b.s. about black people-- that's not even real [real as at least be close enough to be a trop]. It is not a coincidence that every time Waid writes Miles, he only cares for shoes, hip-hop, and "his parents not getting him", or some dumbass preachy rant about "racism".
I digress...
In short Waid is a lucky idiot that failed to push his self as an artist. Someone clapped for him and his head exploded. And everyone has been to nice to tell him the truth for 13 years now. Trust me, as an artist, there are those--artist-- out there that need a reality check every now and then because they lack the discipline to control their egos.
I thought bendis created miles? I think you have him and waid mixed up.
@@Superpooch97 oh yeah, he did. They both suck so bad that sometimes it is hard to tell the difference.
I cancelled my Shazam comic pull at my LCS today. I asked to be put down for the first Mark Millar book from Dark Horse.
Waid's response reminds me of Solomon's descension when settling the dispute of which of two women was the mother of a child: *_Which Mark truly loves comics? The one that would rather see it live rather than the one who wants to see it burn._*
Waid is a bitter old man, and the sooner he gets out of the industry the better it will be for comics in general.
King Baby strikes again!
They can tell stories I don't want to read, but then I probably won't buy them.
Doesn't Mark Waid want to see it burn down ? King Baby is always going to be King Baby. The Villians have control. It's just like Big Game.
What is this history about M waid ? Any links
Hate to break it to you but they won’t hire these old creator’s because they are white, usually straight and male but most importantly, they won’t bend as easily to the new religion.
Hear hear Mr Wade! Truly dark times and despicable people.
Awesome work mate
Waid is still mining the ideas that Alex Ross created..
Outside of a few interviews and Twitter postings. I know nothing about Millar. So for all I know, behind the scenes, Millar could be spending his time kicking puppies and clubbing baby seals. But for a guy that could just be quiet and count his money, he seems like he cares about the industry and wants it and the people that work in it to do better. Make money. Stuff like that. But somehow, the people that will constantly whine about how comics broke them or how they need money to pay their rent this or next month treat him like he's the bad guy. It's insane.
Millar is like the frog and these nutters are the scorpion.
Well said, Wes. Couldn't agree more. I really enjoyed his first run on World's Finest and was just about to purchase the second volume, along with the first collected volume of Shazam, when he had his idiotic meltdown on twitter. That was it for me. I will no longer purchase anything from the guy. He's a dumpster fire of a human being and I'm not going to give any of my money to him.
Bout time. I've been done with him for years after he exposed what a lunatic he is. People keep giving him a pass because he's got some talent and writes comics the way we mostly want them to be written and it's sad that the state of things is so bad that they'll overlook his behavior because fans are desperate for a decent super hero comic in this day and age.
I am with you on this one, Wess
I’ve talked before about being a fan of both Captain America and U.S.Agent, so I’d like to share something from the storyline The Captain that applies to some people in real life. John Walker started out doing a good job as Captain America because despite his arrogance, he wanted to honor the mantle he’d been given. Even though he didn’t like Steve Rogers, there were times he thought about what Captain America would do in a given situation. However, he let his anger & pain overwhelm him and turned away those who tried to help him, and it ruined his career as Captain America. Fortunately for John, he was able to continue a heroic career because despite being a jerk at times, he still had morals and care for people (I can give some examples if people want). Unfortunately, some people in real life let their anger, pain, and pride consume them and don’t let go of their pride so they can improve their situation; they’d rather attack others in a vain attempt to feel something. I don’t care what your politics are, but if you’re being eaten alive by anger and hatred, get help because that’s no way to live.
Is the Priest run a good John Walker comic? He was my favorite character in Falcon and Winter Soldier and I wanted to read more of him, but so far I've only found Priest run.
@@GiovanniAlckmimRusso Did TH-cam delete my reply? I left a response, but now I’m not seeing it.
@@karaoconnoraliasraidra uh, I think TH-cam didn't registered. Usually when I get replies I receive notifications both from TH-cam and from my email. So I think it didn't register.
@@GiovanniAlckmimRusso Dang. Well, let’s try this again! I went from getting excited about it to feeling it was a waste of time to thinking, “You know, it’s not half bad!” There were some things that were weird and confusing (including a fake-out I’m glad was just a fake-out), but I think Priest did make an effort to be fair and respectful with both John and Lemar (The moments with Battlestar were the best parts of the series). I highly recommend getting a TPB called U.S.Agent: The Good Fight which collects a number of stories with John (including the first two U.S. Agent miniseries). I also recommend Captain America: The Captain, although that one will be pricier.
Comics is on life support because the industry cares more about emotional validation than existing
And also being AN IP farm for Hollywood to make movies or TV shows out of! (i.e money and lots of it!)
The man tried to destroy Ya Boi Zack by bullying Antarctic Press into cancelling his book. That's enough of a reason for me to ignore Mark Waid's books.
Yeah, I wrote Waid off after that nonsense with Your Boy Zack ... which is sad because "Kingdom Come" is STILL one of my favorite Superman stories...
07:40 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
There is a good Mark, and an evil Mark. 😑
Hmmm... I'll lessen my Mark Waid purchases as well.
Wow...wes went the F off! Once again, saying what so many of us are thinking. 🤔 thank you wes, god bless.
Millar: "Lets create good comics and medium that people will buy and enjoy"
Waddling Waid: "I just want everything to burn down"
Millar: "Stop being a cancel pig"
Waddling Waid: "OINK OINK SQUEEEEEEEE"
He's not worth my Wednessday money. If you need to complete a collection, you are better off buying back issues, and back issue sales always happen. A comic might increase when it comes out, but if you wait a year, they go down in price.
lay down with dogs, get fleas.
This is why I hate the whole politics thing in comics. I don't mind of people are alt right, extreme left or how important political things are in your life. I have friends who are like that (on both sides). I don't praise or condemn people for it. But saying stuff like "rather see comics die then work with the other side" is just something I hate so much. You rather destroy something that brought joy, inspiration to people all over the world for decades then work with someone you don't like!? You can work with them, never talk politics and share your love for Superman. Common ground can make people work together for the greater good! Sorry I can't stand stuff like that....
This video made me sad. I’m a huge Waid fan.
I recently bought trades of Waid's World's Finest Vol 1 &2, Lazarus Planet & Batman vs Robin. I have now returned them, unread, for a full refund
Just dropped World's Finest and Shazam, thanks for saving me money Mark. Maybe I'll buy a used copy of the trades one day so he doesn't see a penny
I definitely like a lot of mark waids comics but I cannot beleive he said mark millar's star is fading. Didn't all of mark millar's comics last year sell insane numbers. And don't forget the 100 million dollars he got from Netflix or the kickass, kingsman, wanted movies.
Yup. Big Game has had about as much buzz as anything else lately, plus Millar moving over to Dark Horse was (correctly) viewed as significant news when it was announced. Millar is many things. A fading star is not one of them
Mark Waid needs to act like a mature adult. I do not want to support people that act the way he does. I also feel the exact same way about Ethan Van Sciver and Shane Davis. I no longer support them either after their crappy behavior. I feel bad for Dan Mora, though. This is going to hurt him also.
Well when a artist goes full diva I tend to pick up the stuff they made pre-owned. Cake & eat it scenario as they get zero profit off a resale. I got pre-owned Waid & EVS stuff.
@@PrivateCitizen84 I was referring to backing their campaigns. Not sure I would want to even buy their books used.
@@nuke7138 Well with advent of social media we get to see highly strung diva artists meltdown in real time. We was just sheltered from all this diva drama back in the day due to technological limitations.
Bottom line you reap what you sow When your petty and short sighted and just plain mean instead of Creative and Innovating your gonna ultimately just be an after thought in the minds of the fans ....great video as always !⭐⭐⭐⭐
Shame this is the same guy who wrote Kingdom Come in 1996
He hate indie creator 😢
When this amount of corruption entwines with the fabric of this former beloved hobby.
Is there enough to save or too much to fight on saving?
I left DC almost since the First Flashpoint and haven't looked back.
Wes, if you get this let me know how I can get in touch with you privately to pass on a bit more background on this situation
My email is in the channel description!
@@Wes_From_TCsorry I can’t see it on there Wes
Really, it took that?
Not him sending a wreath of black roses to Cross-Gen, not him celebrating the death of the owner's wife, not his tortious interference, not his calling everyone racist that didn't like his comic about ethnic terrorists? This?
I am just DONE with comics in general idc anymore, imma sell somethings that don't suit me more and just keep the things I wanna read or i already like, imma do this to a lot of other collections too... i really couldn't care less to comics anymore
Maybe Ill get the rest of shazam and or worlds finest down the road somewhere second hand (or maybe not). At least then waid and dc wont get any % of $ from it and DC wont be encouraged to continue down the path their on or whom theyre working with. doubtful but at least ill have made my stance (ridiculous i even HAVE to have a stance ungh, but they insist). I deliberately avoided waid's work for a while now but got sucked into worlds finest (and honestly i dont think i even realized he was writing shazam) now i do (thanks). theyll both be cancelled from my lcs hold and ill reinstate my ban of waid. Knowing how little he thinks of me / people like me or his customers and how much he would no doubt positively HATE me if we spent five minutes together just because we surely dont see eye to eye on every little thing, screw him.
Waid did the equivalent of sticking his index fingers in his ears, closing his eyes, and yelling “lalalalala” when legitimate points were brought up. What an absolute child.