As mentioned by Master Obba of the Jedi Order in the book, Darth Bane: Dynasty of evil: "The Sith were the sworn enemies of the Jedi and the Republic. They sought to wipe us from existence; they sought to rule the galaxy. They united their strength in the Brotherhood of Darkness, drawing countless followers to their cause with false promises. They amassed an army of individuals foolish and desperate enough to believe their lies, and they plunged the galaxy into a war that threatened to destroy us all." A Dark Jedi, on the other hand, has much smaller ambitions. He-or she- thinks only of himself. He acts alone. The ultimate goal is not galactic conquest, but personal wealth and importance. Like a common thug or criminal, he revels in cruelty and selfishness. He preys upon the weak and vulnerable, spreading misery and suffering wherever he goes."
@@evanlee6644 Actually the term "Gray Jedi" was first used to describe the Qui-Gon Jinn in the comics of Star Wars: Republic: The Stark Hyperspace War, via this quote: _"Jinn always does things his own way, always sure he is right, always incredulous if we do not see it his way. Some think he is a gray Jedi."_ Although you are correct in saying he wasn't actually classified as one, merely suggested. Also Grey Jedi has two meanings which depends on the force user: First, it was used by Jedi and Sith to describe Force-users who walked the line between the light and dark sides of the Force without surrendering to the dark side, and second, it described Jedi who distanced themselves from the Jedi High Council and operated outside the strictures of the Jedi Code. The term is similar to that of "Dark Jedi" in that it could refer to any Force-user, and not only to Jedi. For example, the Voss Mystics are considered to be Gray despite holding very different views than, and refusing association with, the Jedi Order. Sith were never considered to be Gray Jedi, as the Sith Order taught full commitment to the dark side.
It will be interesting to see if the “Jedi” and “Sith” in the new era become something closer to the the middle. Snoke and Kylo don’t seem to be Sith, and- as Luke put it- “its time for the Jedi to end”.
It's worth noting that Snoke has such an interest in Kylo because he has a strong connection to both the Dark and Light Side of the Force, so, while the Knights of Ren are obviously Darksiders, it's implied that they're not quite so black and white.
Snoke seems to be reforming the Darkside Doctrine in The Post-Jedi Era Much Like Bane did for The Sith except Snoke is allowing his Apprentice Kylo Ren to Lead Small Group Of Darkside Fanatics to keep the Lightside Users in Check also he understands the Rule of Two was is a Failure cuz it keeps the Inner Circle too Small
Dark Jedi: learned the ways of the force through Traditional Jedi training but fell to the dark side later in life. Sith: learned the ways of the dark side of the force from the get go through a Sith Lord (The sith were originally created by Dark Jedis who defected from the Jedi Order).
Lucasfilm explained that they don't like terms like dark or grey jedi because the Jedi are a specific order of light side users and only members of that order can be called jedi. The jedi oppose the dark side and so it doesn't make sense for a dark side user to use the name of an order committed to the light side. As Pablo Hidalgo put it a dark side user calling themselves a dark jedi would be like a criminal calling themselves a dark police officer.
I disagree with the way they think about it. This is all under the same umbrella of "the fallen" as a concept. Much like a fallen angel still believes it is right in its thoughts and actions, a fallen or "dark" Jedi would likely not think of himself as "the bad guy" or anything of the sort. Likely a fallen member of the Jedi order would still consider himself a TRUE Jedi who has realized some sort of great truth even as his connection to the light fades and his power in the dark grows. The people who would refer to them as a Dark Jedi would likely be other Jedi or people outside the order who know about it but don't fully understand it.
Well with that logic there could be a dark Jedi who does good but using the dark side of the force and breaks the rules of the Jedi kind of like a vigilante type
I really like the concept of Dark Jedi. Even though Lucasfilm wants to avert terms with the name "Jedi" in them, I DO hope they introduce other Force factions with diverse beliefs in the light side and dark side of the Force. Whether they originate from Legends or Canon alone. However, I'm still apparent in my beliefs that Luke's and Rey's prime goal in TLJ will be changing the rules of the Jedi Order, and how they view the Force. Also, DJ is quite a mysterious and well-dressed figure within the picture.
My POV regarding Legends: "Dark Jedi" is simply a Jedi who has turned to the dark side. "Sith" is specifically a member of the Sith Order. Some Sith are also Dark Jedi, but not all Sith are Dark Jedi or vice versa. Darth Vader and Count Dooku are both Sith and Dark Jedi. Emperor Palpatine and Darth Maul are Sith, but not Dark Jedi. Ventress, Jerec, and Desaan are Dark Jedi, but not Sith. (Well okay, Ventress is a "Sith Acolyte", but not a full-fledged Sith.)
this is the best comment! That makes so much sense. a dark jedi was a light jedi who fell to the darkside. but some sith were never jedi and not all dark jedi were adopted into the sith order.
Although he was under Dooku's tutelage for deceptive means, yes he was technically being brought in as a Sith Assassin - which is what Asajj was before him. On top of that, although Darth Maul was not technically involved with the Sith Order at the time, he was never really "stripped" of his Sith title until the Emperor confronted him and Savage. He ended up being Savage's master, and claimed themselves to be Sith.
@@benjaminjohnson3755 though somthing interesting about maul is that he was never going to be an "official" sith lord, however he was trained to be a sith assasin which, im my eyes makes him way more interesting
Thank you for covering this topic, it seems to have drifted to the background and ultimately topics seemed to focus on Sith vs Jedi. Sith and Jedi are philosophical points of view of the force... that just happen to align to opposite sides of the force. I hope Disney puts their effort into ensuring the new canon has effective continuity along the lines of how the force and its many different (dark and light) philosophical groups are defined... even though I'm hoping it's based off of legends material.
I would say that another difference between the Sith and other dark force using groups is the techniques they use. Dark Jedi know the dark side of the force on a basic level, and although it gives them great power, it is raw and unrefined. They use only the primeval techniques of the dark side such as using their rage to fuel the force within them to strengthen their strikes. However, this is wasteful and creates weaknesses. The Sith know that even though more power is gained the more negative emotions one channels through the force, but also that it means the less control the user has over their power and themselves, and thus leaving the user more predictable and less observant. Thus the Sith use the dark side in more sophisticated ways striving to accomplish far more while eliminating, or at least managing, the dark side's inherent risks. They do this by not flooding themselves with the dark side, and focusing it when and were it can be applied better and in ways that dark Jedi don't know of. It' is like comparing a flamethrower to an automatic rifle. The first looks impressive, intimidating, and is dangerous to face, but in comparison to the latter is far inferior both in creation, and potential.
*Disney thinks it's being creative moving away from black and white depictions of the world.* One part of disney gains self awareness for a moment: "Hey uhh, this 'legends' material has g-" *Disney sticks it's gestalt fingers into it's gestalt ears and re-absorbs the dissenting voice* "I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE SOUND OF MY MANY DOLLARS AND INTELLECTUAL PROPERTIES."
In 0:28 is that a dark initiate saber hilt? I have one just like that lol and if I ever have time to go to Star Wars conventions I’ve always planned on dressing as a dark Jedi lol I’m not really a big fan of da colors but I do like red sabers white sabers and yellows sabers
First time I ever heard of Dark Jedi was Dark Forces II. I think they distinguish themselves from Sith in two ways: (1) they don’t follow any ideology other than using the force for violence and personal gain, and (2) they don’t exclusively use red lightsabers.
Question for your Q&A: How did dark Jedi like Asajj Ventress and Savage Oppress have red lightsabers if they didn't undergo the Sith ritual of crystal bleeding?
I believe the sith gave these saber to these people, since they were their servants anyway. The reitual states that the Sith must bleed the crystal, but it may not stop the Sith from bleeding for others
Use to be the Sith used synthetic crystals and this whole concept of bleeding crystals didn’t exist. Also, red crystals, while much less common, were naturally occurring. If I remember right was a Jedi from way back that used a red light saber.
Could you do a video accounting for the EU character Vergere? I feel like no one has given this character justice among your fellow SW vloggers and yet his influence affected so much in the outcome of the war w the Vong as well as the future Jedi Order in the EU. Would be cool to see Vergere added to Canon.
Here are two terms that I like to use Jedi Bounty Hunter and Sith Bounty Hunter. Aurora Sing was a Jedi Bounty Hunter in the fact that she was once a Jedi Paduwan and continued to use the force and Lightsabers during her Bounty Hunter time. Ventress was first a slave, then a Jedi Paduwan, a Sith Assassin, a Nightsister, a Dark side Bounty Hunter, and then a Lightside Bounty Hunter in the sense that her last Lightsaber colour was yellow symbolizing her turn back to the light before her death.
To every new canon fan out there claiming "dark jedi" and "grey jedi" make no sense: "Jedi" and "Sith" were orders with fixed rules and doctrines. They aren't good or bad, just like morality isn't absolute. Siths sought power to dominate, while Jedi sought peace through force. Both are bad - the hypocrisy of the Jedi was well known. The reasons the terms "dark jedi" and "grey jedi exist and make sense are the following: Grey jedi: a jedi that doesn't strictly follow the codes of the Jedi order, because they think that a certain level of flexibility is required. They have a less relaxed moral code, but still fight for peace in the universe. It is most definitely NOT a clear-cut allegiance, there is no "grey jedi code", it is just a deliberate lack of regards for the strict code of the Jedi out of personal conviction. To some extent, EU Luke Skywalker was a grey jedi - he did have children, he did lament about the morality of his deeds, and used the dark side of the force sparingly, but still quite often, because he didn't distinguish between the light abd the dark. Another example would be obviously Qui Gon, who wasn't too appaled to wrecking Watto's business through his powers just to achieve his goals and help others. By this logic EU Revan also was a grey jedi, going against the Jedi Order and helping in the war against the Mandalorians. Dark Jedi: Jedi that absolutely throw out the Jedi code's basic morals, but don't quite follow the Sith Code, or are not officialy alligned with it. Ventress would be a good example - she never wanted personal power, or at least never showed any signs of it. She had a conscience which DID interfere with basic teachings of the Sith code, that is power over everything, by whatever means necessary. Dooku, while a Sith Lord, was also very similar to a dark Jedi in that he led a quite balanced life, and even though TCW tries to portray him as a cartoon villain, he DID have other issues in life than being the most powerful and most feared. He was a diplomat, a gentleman, a businessman, and had enough experience with the light side to balance himself, and not be consumed by the dark side. Compare him to say, Sidious, who TRULY was consumed by the Sith Code. Don't get me wrong, Dooku was a Sith, but his attention was too diverted to ever be on the same level of concentrated power as a sith lord like Sidious, Plagueis, Vitiate, etc. And of course an obvious dark Jedi would be Darth Vader (at least in EU). He didn't seek power, he was running from his own guilt, drowning.it in blood. But at the end of the day, he DID place his conscience above the quest for power. That is, if we look at the EU interpretation of the Force. Because in new canon, the Force is an inherently good omnipotent metaphor for God, and the Dark Side is the objectively immoral, corrupted side. Because god forbid we take any moral teachings from the prequels and the fall of Anakin Skywalker. No, the new Darth Vader is another 1 dimensional cartoon villain who kills folks for fun.
Khaden Allast "Calling someone a "dark Jedi" makes as much sense as calling someone a protestant Catholic. Same (often) goes for "grey Jedi." Being a Jedi means being part of the Order, ergo by rejecting that Order and its teachings you are no longer a part of it and therefore no longer a Jedi." Jedi are basically the unoffical supernatural law enforcers of the universe. I don't think I have to introduce the expressions "good cop", "bad cop", "dirty cop", "rogue FBI agent", "rogue CIA agent", "rogue MI5 agent", etc... these things exist. The fact that WE as viewers, and character within the universe call them "grey" or "dark" doesn't mean that they think that they refer to or think about themselves as such. In fact it would be absolutely cheesy to hear Qui Gon say "I am a grey Jedi", but then how do you describe a person who is a Jedi, but doesn't give two shits about the Jedi's strong moral code? And you'd have a point if there was a well-acknowledged in-universe name for force users who are neither Jedi not Sith. But there isn't. The first thing Anakin assumes Qui Gon is, is a Jedi. The blind General Kota immediately assumes Starkiller is a Jedi. IIRC Hondo's men think of Maul and Savage as Jedi, too. So people pretty much have no conception of Siths, and there is no name for force users without a moral code or allegience. This leads me to believe that the average folk of the Star Wars universe would naturally refer to everyone wielding the Force as "Jedi". And if he does bad things, he is a "dark" Jedi, and if he has a shady background, and does controversial but good things for the greater good, he is a "grey" Jedi. It's not like the title of "jedi" is some recognized diploma in the Star Wars world. "Oh you have graduated in the Jedi Academy! Good! We JUST happened to have a vacancy for a Jedi!" Bullshit. The Jedi pretty much police themselves, and the common folk know about as much about the force as quantum mechanics. And it is especially easy to associate dark Force users with Jedi seeing as a good majority of Siths actually ARE defecting Jedi, or in other words DARK JEDI. Do I have to make my point any clearer? "The "Jedi Civil War" as it was called by most of the galaxy was not a war between two different Jedi factions, despite what its name would suggest, it was in fact a war between the Jedi and Sith." The Sith lead by a well-known Jedi commander who years prior saved the galaxy from the mandalorians. I think it is clear as day how this was confusing to the common folk. "But the rest of the galaxy didn't understand that the Jedi were an Order, to them if you used the Force and wielded a lightsaber you were a Jedi. Meaning to them Palpatine, Plageuis, Bane, etc, would be Jedi." Except Palpatine, Plageuis, Bane, etc all announced loudly that they are sith lords, so obviously nobody would call them as Jedi. BTW I hate that members of the Story Group and groupies of the New Canon all bash fans for calling them "dark jedi" and "grey jedi", yet there is no other way of calling them. Should we call Ahsoka from now on "ex Jedi, now independant Force user with good intentions"? Ooor... we can call her "grey Jedi", since that's what 99.99999999% of the characters in-universe would call them. Seriously, Ockham's razor, ever heard of it? Either make up a good term, or we'll just roll with "grey Jedi". You know there is a word
Those tweets irritated me. I think some of the crew is so focused on making new and fresh stuff and doesn’t like the old EU. I like new stories, and don’t mind some change if it’s good, but many would be much more happy with the resurrection of older ideas and stories from legends into cannon. Even if it’s something as simple and using those terms like Dark Jedi or Grey Jedi. That’s just me.
Before the prequels, if I am remembering correctly. Bad force users were referred to as Dark Jedi, the word Sith wasn't invented yet. But again this is from my childhood memories and I didn't start reading any books until I was an adult.
I watch Fact Free, Star Wars Explained, Geetsly's and Generation Tech, and i have a question for all of them, or should i say a request: Can you make a co-op and make a video on how academicaly educated were the Jedi?
I always interpreted it as a Dark Jedi is a light Force user who has fallen to the Dark Side, while a Sith was a Force user who had been trained initially with it.
Still hoping for Benecio Del Toro to be an old Ezra Bridger, a Dark Jedi who has been studying the dark side deep inside the tombs of Moraband. He returns to the galaxy to aid Luke Skywalker to rid the galaxy of Snoke (much like how in Legends Luke Skywalker and Darth Krayt forged a temporary alliance to fight against Abeloth) because he knows the threat Snoke poses.
While i did like jedi and sith. I found concept of dark jedi and grey jedi to be interesting along other force user, or order, types. Something disney doesn't want delve into.
I'm just gonna throw this out here but as far as I know; back in the old canon you didn't see Leeland Chee or anyone else making twitter post about what is or what isn't canon...
Thanks for clarifying. I'm reading Heir To The Empire and there's a lot about a Dark Jedi, so I was just hoping it wasn't some sort of plot hole where the term Sith wasn't used in the EU yet. I know George Lucas had the word Sith used in a deleted scene in A New Hope, so he didn't just come up with it in the prequels.
Fighting style. General style. The curved hilt allows the blade to run straight as if an extension of the arm. I think it’s also to denote an offensive combat strategy.
The Jedi and Sith are Orders with specific beliefs in how the force should be used. Dark and Grey Jedi don't necessarily follow those teachings with Grey Jedi seeing both light and dark as part of a whole and thus being morally *grey* hence the name. Meanwhile Dark Jedi are usually driven by passion feeling fuled by the dark side of the force with no specific goals. By the way the reason they are called dark Jedi is because the first dark Jedi were originally part of the Jedi Order before they defected and they were called that up until they created the Sith Order.
Funny how the sith, if memory serves, dont like dark jedi. But was the dark jedi themselves that formed the sith order. I always liked concept of dark jedi, those who delve into the darkside but not too deep like some night sisters to where they dont go totally bonkers. I hope one day we get to see something involving the dark jedi. I liked how in legends some dark jedi started their own order. Like hiw imperial remnants created the Shadow Academy to train dark jedi.
Honestly, I can understand Pablo not wanting to use Grey Jedi because that's kind of a "best of both worlds, get to be like a Jedi without the principles" thing. But isn't a Dark Jedi no different from a "fallen Jedi"? There shouldn't really be any controversy on that. Just a Jedi who left the order and turned to the dark side. But not a Sith, because a Sith was its own group. Just like if you desert your country, that doesn't automatically make you a citizen of another country.
Imagine a jedi that uses the darkside of the force but doesnt become corrupted by it. I think that was mace windu but im unsure as to whether that was confirmed or not
Fate of the Jedi explains Jedi who turn to the dark side were sith. Explained how sith and "dark Jedi" bred and the sith as a species nearly became extinct. So I think to classify Kylo as a sith. 🤔
I feel like Kylo is a mix between Dark Jedi and Sith. Mostly Sith because remember he’s trying to finish what Darth Vader started. And that’s rule the Galaxy with a new empire.
I’ve never looked at the Jedi and the Sith as Good and Bad Guys because both sides have their flaws and things they’re right about. There’s light and dark, but that doesn’t necessarily mean good and evil. I never got why the jedi wanted to eradicate the sith to pursue balance. The Jedi and too stoic and the Sith are too emotional. Too little or too much emotions can cause a lot of problems. I think the true way to achieve balance is to balance both the light and dark side. Have a mutual understanding of some sort. Or just use both sides
So then, what is the difference between a dark Jedi and a gray Jedi? The films have shown that to have a true balance in the force one needs to use both light and dark sides of the force in proper proportion. Is that what gray Jedi are?
Ah yes, speculation surrounding newly introduced ST characters. Those were the days. Personally never heard that DJ was (Reportedly.) a force user, though it could've worked if used correctly. Code breaker with hidden force talents & shifty personality? Decent idea. Instead all we got was a morally backrupt scoundrel who's story felt kinda redundant...
Sith is a religion like the Jedi. You don't have to be a Sith to turn to the dark side, turning to the dark side doesn't automatically make you a Sith. I see people watching star wars these days seeing character turn to the dark side going "Oh he's a Sith lord now he's a Sith lord!" And I'm like. Nah, he's just Hella angry.
As mentioned by Master Obba of the Jedi Order in the book, Darth Bane: Dynasty of evil:
"The Sith were the sworn enemies of the Jedi and the Republic. They sought to wipe us from existence; they sought to rule the galaxy. They united their strength in the Brotherhood of Darkness, drawing countless followers to their cause with false promises. They amassed an army of individuals foolish and desperate enough to believe their lies, and they plunged the galaxy into a war that threatened to destroy us all."
A Dark Jedi, on the other hand, has much smaller ambitions. He-or she- thinks only of himself. He acts alone. The ultimate goal is not galactic conquest, but personal wealth and importance. Like a common thug or criminal, he revels in cruelty and selfishness. He preys upon the weak and vulnerable, spreading misery and suffering wherever he goes."
Jedi and Sith: samurai
Grey and Dark Jedi: ronin
Knights of Ren: Bought a katana on ebay
Ronin are samurai though
Keone Jones they are a different type of samurai they have no master
@@evanlee6644 Qui-Gon and Ahsoka would disagree.
@@evanlee6644 Actually the term "Gray Jedi" was first used to describe the Qui-Gon Jinn in the comics of Star Wars: Republic: The Stark Hyperspace War, via this quote: _"Jinn always does things his own way, always sure he is right, always incredulous if we do not see it his way. Some think he is a gray Jedi."_ Although you are correct in saying he wasn't actually classified as one, merely suggested.
Also Grey Jedi has two meanings which depends on the force user: First, it was used by Jedi and Sith to describe Force-users who walked the line between the light and dark sides of the Force without surrendering to the dark side, and second, it described Jedi who distanced themselves from the Jedi High Council and operated outside the strictures of the Jedi Code. The term is similar to that of "Dark Jedi" in that it could refer to any Force-user, and not only to Jedi. For example, the Voss Mystics are considered to be Gray despite holding very different views than, and refusing association with, the Jedi Order. Sith were never considered to be Gray Jedi, as the Sith Order taught full commitment to the dark side.
DJ actually stands for Dexter Jetster.
Disk Jokey.
Ah yes
also his philosophy of "don't join" in regards to good/bad guys sides. Cause nobody is truly good or evil, just gray, everywhere.
Is that a marvel thing?
Asajj is a fascinating character. Loved the book Dark Disciple.
It will be interesting to see if the “Jedi” and “Sith” in the new era become something closer to the the middle.
Snoke and Kylo don’t seem to be Sith, and- as Luke put it- “its time for the Jedi to end”.
It's worth noting that Snoke has such an interest in Kylo because he has a strong connection to both the Dark and Light Side of the Force, so, while the Knights of Ren are obviously Darksiders, it's implied that they're not quite so black and white.
Snoke and Kylo are both confirmed not to be Sith. The Sith in canon died with the Emperor and Vader.
Snoke seems to be reforming the Darkside Doctrine in The Post-Jedi Era Much Like Bane did for The Sith except Snoke is allowing his Apprentice Kylo Ren to Lead Small Group Of Darkside Fanatics to keep the Lightside Users in Check also he understands the Rule of Two was is a Failure cuz it keeps the Inner Circle too Small
There is no middle. There is only the light and dark.
Right Luke Skywalker is going to be balanced like Ahsoka & Bendu
Dark Jedi: learned the ways of the force through Traditional Jedi training but fell to the dark side later in life.
Sith: learned the ways of the dark side of the force from the get go through a Sith Lord (The sith were originally created by Dark Jedis who defected from the Jedi Order).
Dark Jedi Anakin
Lucasfilm explained that they don't like terms like dark or grey jedi because the Jedi are a specific order of light side users and only members of that order can be called jedi. The jedi oppose the dark side and so it doesn't make sense for a dark side user to use the name of an order committed to the light side. As Pablo Hidalgo put it a dark side user calling themselves a dark jedi would be like a criminal calling themselves a dark police officer.
I disagree with the way they think about it.
This is all under the same umbrella of "the fallen" as a concept.
Much like a fallen angel still believes it is right in its thoughts and actions, a fallen or "dark" Jedi would likely not think of himself as "the bad guy" or anything of the sort.
Likely a fallen member of the Jedi order would still consider himself a TRUE Jedi who has realized some sort of great truth even as his connection to the light fades and his power in the dark grows.
The people who would refer to them as a Dark Jedi would likely be other Jedi or people outside the order who know about it but don't fully understand it.
Well with that logic there could be a dark Jedi who does good but using the dark side of the force and breaks the rules of the Jedi kind of like a vigilante type
I really like the concept of Dark Jedi. Even though Lucasfilm wants to avert terms with the name "Jedi" in them, I DO hope they introduce other Force factions with diverse beliefs in the light side and dark side of the Force. Whether they originate from Legends or Canon alone.
However, I'm still apparent in my beliefs that Luke's and Rey's prime goal in TLJ will be changing the rules of the Jedi Order, and how they view the Force. Also, DJ is quite a mysterious and well-dressed figure within the picture.
I'm so glad you found that Pablo quote, that's how I've felt about those terms too.
My POV regarding Legends: "Dark Jedi" is simply a Jedi who has turned to the dark side. "Sith" is specifically a member of the Sith Order. Some Sith are also Dark Jedi, but not all Sith are Dark Jedi or vice versa.
Darth Vader and Count Dooku are both Sith and Dark Jedi.
Emperor Palpatine and Darth Maul are Sith, but not Dark Jedi.
Ventress, Jerec, and Desaan are Dark Jedi, but not Sith. (Well okay, Ventress is a "Sith Acolyte", but not a full-fledged Sith.)
Filby Are you sure about Count Dooku?
this is the best comment! That makes so much sense. a dark jedi was a light jedi who fell to the darkside. but some sith were never jedi and not all dark jedi were adopted into the sith order.
There's dark jedi and grey jedi but what about light sith or white sith?
he is being sarcastic... the term grey jedi itself makes no sense: why grey jedi and not grey sith?
Lucas Carvalho cause the jedi came first in legends
The Jakeinator *Je'daii
Lucas Carvalho because sith deal in absolutes; they’re either completely sith or no sith
Guys "white" sith can't happen because that's racist 👌
On DJ's Funko Pop figure, it says 'Don't Join' in Aurebesh, so I've kinda lost faith that he could be a dark jedi now.
So Dark Jedi are just like Deadpool with a lightsaber
Finally someone has made a video like this!
Wouldn’t Ventress, Savage, Inquisitors and Quinlan Vos be canon examples of Dark Jedi?
Savage Oppress was a Sith Apprentice-- this has been confirmed by the Lucasfilm story board.
Although he was under Dooku's tutelage for deceptive means, yes he was technically being brought in as a Sith Assassin - which is what Asajj was before him. On top of that, although Darth Maul was not technically involved with the Sith Order at the time, he was never really "stripped" of his Sith title until the Emperor confronted him and Savage. He ended up being Savage's master, and claimed themselves to be Sith.
@@benjaminjohnson3755 though somthing interesting about maul is that he was never going to be an "official" sith lord,
however he was trained to be a sith assasin which, im my eyes makes him way more interesting
Yeah so basically the Rule of 2 doesn’t make sense anymore
Thank you for covering this topic, it seems to have drifted to the background and ultimately topics seemed to focus on Sith vs Jedi.
Sith and Jedi are philosophical points of view of the force... that just happen to align to opposite sides of the force.
I hope Disney puts their effort into ensuring the new canon has effective continuity along the lines of how the force and its many different (dark and light) philosophical groups are defined... even though I'm hoping it's based off of legends material.
I would say that another difference between the Sith and other dark force using groups is the techniques they use. Dark Jedi know the dark side of the force on a basic level, and although it gives them great power, it is raw and unrefined. They use only the primeval techniques of the dark side such as using their rage to fuel the force within them to strengthen their strikes. However, this is wasteful and creates weaknesses. The Sith know that even though more power is gained the more negative emotions one channels through the force, but also that it means the less control the user has over their power and themselves, and thus leaving the user more predictable and less observant. Thus the Sith use the dark side in more sophisticated ways striving to accomplish far more while eliminating, or at least managing, the dark side's inherent risks. They do this by not flooding themselves with the dark side, and focusing it when and were it can be applied better and in ways that dark Jedi don't know of. It' is like comparing a flamethrower to an automatic rifle. The first looks impressive, intimidating, and is dangerous to face, but in comparison to the latter is far inferior both in creation, and potential.
DJ stands for "Don't Join." It's his whole philosophy, and he even says the phrase himself to Finn when he's giving his nihilistic speech.
*Disney thinks it's being creative moving away from black and white depictions of the world.*
One part of disney gains self awareness for a moment: "Hey uhh, this 'legends' material has g-"
*Disney sticks it's gestalt fingers into it's gestalt ears and re-absorbs the dissenting voice*
"I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE SOUND OF MY MANY DOLLARS AND INTELLECTUAL PROPERTIES."
In 0:28 is that a dark initiate saber hilt? I have one just like that lol and if I ever have time to go to Star Wars conventions I’ve always planned on dressing as a dark Jedi lol I’m not really a big fan of da colors but I do like red sabers white sabers and yellows sabers
Finally, another legends epsidoe
DJ don´t stand for Dark Jedi, it stands for....
[SPOILERS]
Don´t Join
6th I am considering training a team of dark Jedi to help me overthrow my master, thanks sw explained. I'll be sure to tell sidious it was your idea!
AC CrashPilot oh yeah I forgot time really flies doesn't it?
What are your orders my lord?
Darth Vader Lord Vader, I will proudly help over throw old Darth Syphilis uh... I mean Sidious...
I thought he threw him over?
Hey, Vader, did you really have an apprentice called Starkiller, or is that just an old legend?
First time I ever heard of Dark Jedi was Dark Forces II.
I think they distinguish themselves from Sith in two ways: (1) they don’t follow any ideology other than using the force for violence and personal gain, and (2) they don’t exclusively use red lightsabers.
Question for your Q&A: How did dark Jedi like Asajj Ventress and Savage Oppress have red lightsabers if they didn't undergo the Sith ritual of crystal bleeding?
I believe the sith gave these saber to these people, since they were their servants anyway. The reitual states that the Sith must bleed the crystal, but it may not stop the Sith from bleeding for others
Use to be the Sith used synthetic crystals and this whole concept of bleeding crystals didn’t exist. Also, red crystals, while much less common, were naturally occurring. If I remember right was a Jedi from way back that used a red light saber.
Could you do a video accounting for the EU character Vergere? I feel like no one has given this character justice among your fellow SW vloggers and yet his influence affected so much in the outcome of the war w the Vong as well as the future Jedi Order in the EU. Would be cool to see Vergere added to Canon.
1:44 I took that expression more as one of surprise or confusion as opposed to one of fear.
Here are two terms that I like to use Jedi Bounty Hunter and Sith Bounty Hunter. Aurora Sing was a Jedi Bounty Hunter in the fact that she was once a Jedi Paduwan and continued to use the force and Lightsabers during her Bounty Hunter time. Ventress was first a slave, then a Jedi Paduwan, a Sith Assassin, a Nightsister, a Dark side Bounty Hunter, and then a Lightside Bounty Hunter in the sense that her last Lightsaber colour was yellow symbolizing her turn back to the light before her death.
I hate that they actively refuse to all them dark or grey Jedi. I actively call them that
Is it possible for a dark side user to be a good person? Like, practically a Jedi, just one who uses the dark side, except for the light side
That's mace windu
That's pretty mutch mace windu
I dont think DJ stands for Dark Jedi, I think it stands for Daft Jedi
umm, no. it's obviously Darth Jawa.
the greatest DJ in the galaxy, DJ Doookkuuuuuuuu: " Move your bodys in transonic perfection!"
I thought it was Dank Jedi
It is already confirmed that DJ is an hacker and on his clothes is written in Aurebesh: Don't Join. That means DJ stands for "Don't Join"
"Get away from her, she's a dark Jedi!"
Lol The Last Jedi subverted everyone's expectations and shattered all hope for the Sequel Trilogy! My, how this video has aged.
To every new canon fan out there claiming "dark jedi" and "grey jedi" make no sense:
"Jedi" and "Sith" were orders with fixed rules and doctrines. They aren't good or bad, just like morality isn't absolute. Siths sought power to dominate, while Jedi sought peace through force. Both are bad - the hypocrisy of the Jedi was well known. The reasons the terms "dark jedi" and "grey jedi exist and make sense are the following:
Grey jedi: a jedi that doesn't strictly follow the codes of the Jedi order, because they think that a certain level of flexibility is required. They have a less relaxed moral code, but still fight for peace in the universe. It is most definitely NOT a clear-cut allegiance, there is no "grey jedi code", it is just a deliberate lack of regards for the strict code of the Jedi out of personal conviction. To some extent, EU Luke Skywalker was a grey jedi - he did have children, he did lament about the morality of his deeds, and used the dark side of the force sparingly, but still quite often, because he didn't distinguish between the light abd the dark. Another example would be obviously Qui Gon, who wasn't too appaled to wrecking Watto's business through his powers just to achieve his goals and help others. By this logic EU Revan also was a grey jedi, going against the Jedi Order and helping in the war against the Mandalorians.
Dark Jedi: Jedi that absolutely throw out the Jedi code's basic morals, but don't quite follow the Sith Code, or are not officialy alligned with it. Ventress would be a good example - she never wanted personal power, or at least never showed any signs of it. She had a conscience which DID interfere with basic teachings of the Sith code, that is power over everything, by whatever means necessary. Dooku, while a Sith Lord, was also very similar to a dark Jedi in that he led a quite balanced life, and even though TCW tries to portray him as a cartoon villain, he DID have other issues in life than being the most powerful and most feared. He was a diplomat, a gentleman, a businessman, and had enough experience with the light side to balance himself, and not be consumed by the dark side. Compare him to say, Sidious, who TRULY was consumed by the Sith Code. Don't get me wrong, Dooku was a Sith, but his attention was too diverted to ever be on the same level of concentrated power as a sith lord like Sidious, Plagueis, Vitiate, etc.
And of course an obvious dark Jedi would be Darth Vader (at least in EU). He didn't seek power, he was running from his own guilt, drowning.it in blood. But at the end of the day, he DID place his conscience above the quest for power.
That is, if we look at the EU interpretation of the Force. Because in new canon, the Force is an inherently good omnipotent metaphor for God, and the Dark Side is the objectively immoral, corrupted side. Because god forbid we take any moral teachings from the prequels and the fall of Anakin Skywalker. No, the new Darth Vader is another 1 dimensional cartoon villain who kills folks for fun.
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"Calling someone a "dark Jedi" makes as much sense as calling someone a protestant Catholic. Same (often) goes for "grey Jedi." Being a Jedi means being part of the Order, ergo by rejecting that Order and its teachings you are no longer a part of it and therefore no longer a Jedi."
Jedi are basically the unoffical supernatural law enforcers of the universe. I don't think I have to introduce the expressions "good cop", "bad cop", "dirty cop", "rogue FBI agent", "rogue CIA agent", "rogue MI5 agent", etc... these things exist. The fact that WE as viewers, and character within the universe call them "grey" or "dark" doesn't mean that they think that they refer to or think about themselves as such. In fact it would be absolutely cheesy to hear Qui Gon say "I am a grey Jedi", but then how do you describe a person who is a Jedi, but doesn't give two shits about the Jedi's strong moral code? And you'd have a point if there was a well-acknowledged in-universe name for force users who are neither Jedi not Sith. But there isn't. The first thing Anakin assumes Qui Gon is, is a Jedi. The blind General Kota immediately assumes Starkiller is a Jedi. IIRC Hondo's men think of Maul and Savage as Jedi, too. So people pretty much have no conception of Siths, and there is no name for force users without a moral code or allegience. This leads me to believe that the average folk of the Star Wars universe would naturally refer to everyone wielding the Force as "Jedi". And if he does bad things, he is a "dark" Jedi, and if he has a shady background, and does controversial but good things for the greater good, he is a "grey" Jedi.
It's not like the title of "jedi" is some recognized diploma in the Star Wars world. "Oh you have graduated in the Jedi Academy! Good! We JUST happened to have a vacancy for a Jedi!" Bullshit. The Jedi pretty much police themselves, and the common folk know about as much about the force as quantum mechanics. And it is especially easy to associate dark Force users with Jedi seeing as a good majority of Siths actually ARE defecting Jedi, or in other words DARK JEDI. Do I have to make my point any clearer?
"The "Jedi Civil War" as it was called by most of the galaxy was not a war between two different Jedi factions, despite what its name would suggest, it was in fact a war between the Jedi and Sith."
The Sith lead by a well-known Jedi commander who years prior saved the galaxy from the mandalorians. I think it is clear as day how this was confusing to the common folk.
"But the rest of the galaxy didn't understand that the Jedi were an Order, to them if you used the Force and wielded a lightsaber you were a Jedi. Meaning to them Palpatine, Plageuis, Bane, etc, would be Jedi."
Except Palpatine, Plageuis, Bane, etc all announced loudly that they are sith lords, so obviously nobody would call them as Jedi. BTW I hate that members of the Story Group and groupies of the New Canon all bash fans for calling them "dark jedi" and "grey jedi", yet there is no other way of calling them. Should we call Ahsoka from now on "ex Jedi, now independant Force user with good intentions"? Ooor... we can call her "grey Jedi", since that's what 99.99999999% of the characters in-universe would call them. Seriously, Ockham's razor, ever heard of it? Either make up a good term, or we'll just roll with "grey Jedi".
You know there is a word
So darth Vader is a dark Jedi, I mean he was a jedi and fell to the dark side. Is that right or did I misunderstand something?
this helped a lot thanks!
Those tweets irritated me. I think some of the crew is so focused on making new and fresh stuff and doesn’t like the old EU. I like new stories, and don’t mind some change if it’s good, but many would be much more happy with the resurrection of older ideas and stories from legends into cannon. Even if it’s something as simple and using those terms like Dark Jedi or Grey Jedi. That’s just me.
It would be so good if DJ does stand for 'Dark Jedi', and Benicio Del Toro's character is revealed to be Ezra Bridger.
Before the prequels, if I am remembering correctly. Bad force users were referred to as Dark Jedi, the word Sith wasn't invented yet. But again this is from my childhood memories and I didn't start reading any books until I was an adult.
Wait did we ever hear anything about DJ after the Last Jedi?!?
1:45 that looks like surprise to me.
I watch Fact Free, Star Wars Explained, Geetsly's and Generation Tech, and i have a question for all of them, or should i say a request: Can you make a co-op and make a video on how academicaly educated were the Jedi?
I always interpreted it as a Dark Jedi is a light Force user who has fallen to the Dark Side, while a Sith was a Force user who had been trained initially with it.
I’d love to see a gritty take on a standalone Dark Jedi film, lone wolf set in the old republic..
Taron Malicos would be a canonical example of a Dark Jedi.
Would Galen Marek be a dark jedi?
no he was training to be a sith lord in the event that vadar could kill sidious
@@danielpala5460 he wasn’t a sith
the best term to use for ventress when she is a bounty hunter is probably, force user
Still hoping for Benecio Del Toro to be an old Ezra Bridger, a Dark Jedi who has been studying the dark side deep inside the tombs of Moraband. He returns to the galaxy to aid Luke Skywalker to rid the galaxy of Snoke (much like how in Legends Luke Skywalker and Darth Krayt forged a temporary alliance to fight against Abeloth) because he knows the threat Snoke poses.
Isn't a canon source (a visual book or something) called Ventress a dark jedi.
And how does the Inquisitors fit into the canon? Are they "dark side adept" (aka close to Sith but not Sith) like Legends?
While i did like jedi and sith. I found concept of dark jedi and grey jedi to be interesting along other force user, or order, types. Something disney doesn't want delve into.
And also can a dark Jedi still work with the Jedi order to help them out with mission or are they not allowed to go near it
I'm pretty sure DJ stands for Don't Join, which was his motto.
I'm just gonna throw this out here but as far as I know; back in the old canon you didn't see Leeland Chee or anyone else making twitter post about what is or what isn't canon...
Thanks for clarifying. I'm reading Heir To The Empire and there's a lot about a Dark Jedi, so I was just hoping it wasn't some sort of plot hole where the term Sith wasn't used in the EU yet. I know George Lucas had the word Sith used in a deleted scene in A New Hope, so he didn't just come up with it in the prequels.
Question: Why do the Sith have curved lightsaber hilts while the Jedi have straight ones, at least in the Republic era?
Fighting style. General style.
The curved hilt allows the blade to run straight as if an extension of the arm. I think it’s also to denote an offensive combat strategy.
I see dark jedi as jedi who turned to the dark side but didn't become sith
A dark Jedi does it not only for personal gain. Sometimes they just use dark powers or do something bad just to do something good or fight injustice.
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The Jedi and Sith are Orders with specific beliefs in how the force should be used. Dark and Grey Jedi don't necessarily follow those teachings with Grey Jedi seeing both light and dark as part of a whole and thus being morally *grey* hence the name. Meanwhile Dark Jedi are usually driven by passion feeling fuled by the dark side of the force with no specific goals. By the way the reason they are called dark Jedi is because the first dark Jedi were originally part of the Jedi Order before they defected and they were called that up until they created the Sith Order.
Funny how the sith, if memory serves, dont like dark jedi. But was the dark jedi themselves that formed the sith order. I always liked concept of dark jedi, those who delve into the darkside but not too deep like some night sisters to where they dont go totally bonkers. I hope one day we get to see something involving the dark jedi. I liked how in legends some dark jedi started their own order. Like hiw imperial remnants created the Shadow Academy to train dark jedi.
Honestly, I can understand Pablo not wanting to use Grey Jedi because that's kind of a "best of both worlds, get to be like a Jedi without the principles" thing. But isn't a Dark Jedi no different from a "fallen Jedi"? There shouldn't really be any controversy on that. Just a Jedi who left the order and turned to the dark side. But not a Sith, because a Sith was its own group. Just like if you desert your country, that doesn't automatically make you a citizen of another country.
So if the Sith is more if a code of conduct and system of beliefs then like the Dark Jedi, could we see light sith?
good video length
Star Wars really need to use the term Dark Jedi again because there was countless Dark Jedi in legends
Imagine a jedi that uses the darkside of the force but doesnt become corrupted by it. I think that was mace windu but im unsure as to whether that was confirmed or not
Fate of the Jedi explains Jedi who turn to the dark side were sith. Explained how sith and "dark Jedi" bred and the sith as a species nearly became extinct. So I think to classify Kylo as a sith. 🤔
Make a video comparing Jedi and sith. Sounds simple and obvious but there would be things that even some people don't know and understand about either
My 2 cents, the best way to describe Ventress is 'force-using bounty hunter'
Gray jedi: Users of the light side that are not in the Jedi Order.
Dark jedi: Users of the dark side that are not in the Sith Order.
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What about a turquoise Jedi?
Nice Video :)
I feel like Kylo is a mix between Dark Jedi and Sith. Mostly Sith because remember he’s trying to finish what Darth Vader started. And that’s rule the Galaxy with a new empire.
I’ve never looked at the Jedi and the Sith as Good and Bad Guys because both sides have their flaws and things they’re right about. There’s light and dark, but that doesn’t necessarily mean good and evil. I never got why the jedi wanted to eradicate the sith to pursue balance. The Jedi and too stoic and the Sith are too emotional. Too little or too much emotions can cause a lot of problems. I think the true way to achieve balance is to balance both the light and dark side. Have a mutual understanding of some sort. Or just use both sides
So then, what is the difference between a dark Jedi and a gray Jedi? The films have shown that to have a true balance in the force one needs to use both light and dark sides of the force in proper proportion. Is that what gray Jedi are?
They are the ones in the middle, or see the dark/light as the "force" and one of the same.
Evan Sizemore How come then does destroying the sith bring balance to the force? Wouldn't the dark side be the inbalance themselves?
Brian Boardwell what?
So far none of the films have shown that. It's all speculative.
None of the films have shown that. The dark side is a corruption of the light, a cancer, it twists the force to the wielders wishes.
Ah yes, speculation surrounding newly introduced ST characters. Those were the days. Personally never heard that DJ was (Reportedly.) a force user, though it could've worked if used correctly. Code breaker with hidden force talents & shifty personality? Decent idea. Instead all we got was a morally backrupt scoundrel who's story felt kinda redundant...
Whil Lothal get dysroyd in star wars rebels season 4?
What about a light Sith?
Wasn't ajunta pall the first dark jedi
Sith have a strict beliefs code while a DJ does not
DJ stands for Digiornos pizza
I can see why they are hesitant to use the term 'dark jedi'. As 'dark' and 'jedi' don't really mix. I would consider 'dark jedi' as an oxymoron.
So practically mercenaries, loners, guys who didn't care about domination and power, just personal interesses like revenge and things of this sort...
Dark Jedi are also dark-aligned members of the Jedi Order (SWTOR jedi classes can go dark).
DJ:. Disc jockey or Dom Juan.
Or... His pop figure has a hat with a badge in it which reads Don't Join in Aurabesh.
Sith is a religion like the Jedi. You don't have to be a Sith to turn to the dark side, turning to the dark side doesn't automatically make you a Sith. I see people watching star wars these days seeing character turn to the dark side going "Oh he's a Sith lord now he's a Sith lord!" And I'm like. Nah, he's just Hella angry.
That wasn't fear that was confusion
I watched this a year since you made it
I think the inquisitors count as dark jedi too
According to their unique abilities, yes and no..
I heard DJ stands for dont join.
Ventress is more of a gray Jedi she goes back and forth many times and redeems herself at her end..
Jerec's Dark Jedi are BEST Dark Jedi!
Basically
Dark Jedi: Anti-Hero
Sith: Straight Up Villain
I thought DJ meant "Don't Join" because he didn't care much for either side in the movie.
I've always wanted to see a 'Dark Jedi' walk all over Sith in Legends.
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I see grey jedi as an antihero and dark jedia as antivillain
How exactly is Count Dooku a Sith? He literally fits the definition of a Dark Jedi himself.
Gray Jedi is a much better choice rather than the Jedi or Sith