Jonathan Pageau - Money and the Symbolic World
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- Jonathan Pageau is a French Canadian icon carver, public speaker and TH-camr exploring the symbolic patterns that underlie our experience of the world, how these patterns emerge and come together, manifesting in religion, art and in popular culture. He's also the editor of the Orthodox Arts Journal and host of the Symbolic World blog and podcast.
I was looking for someone to talk about Spiritual Captial, and was not disappointed. We talk about how money should be thought of as pure potential, how borrowing “accelerates time” and “pulls from the future.” We also discuss how you can get stuck worshiping the potential of money and forget the more important goals in life.
An absolutely fascinating conversation with Jonathan Pageau.
BIOGRAPHY: Jonathan Pageau graduated with distinction from the Painting and Drawing program at Concordia University in Montreal during the late 1990s. Quickly disillusioned with contemporary art, he discovered icons and traditional Christian images along his own spiritual journey. Rekindling his love of art through study of traditional forms, Jonathan developed a passion for wood carving. Having studied Orthodox Theology and Iconology at the University of Sherbrooke, since 2003 Jonathan has been carving different types of liturgical objects. His carvings have been commissioned by churches, bishops, priests and laypeople in the United States, Canada, Europe and Asia. He has participated is several exhibitions of icons and teaches icon carving with Hexamaeron. He is also an editor at the Orthodox Arts Journal.
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I have listened to Jonathan probably within the last year, and I can’t get enough of him.
He’s deeply spiritual deeply in love with the Lord, deeply brilliant deeply philosophical deeply, talented and deeply enjoyable and pleasant and down to earth.
The man is a gift to us all and I think we need to listen to him.
Because he helps us listen to God. He is into symbolism which we don’t understand usually.
And he explains it beautifully. I just love Jonathan and I think that he should be all over the place which I think is happening.
Thank you for having him on. I hope he’s 1 million times on other places too because I listen to all of them that I can get my hands on! Thank you.❤
Credit is the opposite of sacrifice got me real good.
Pageau is always fantastic at showing us a different way of thinking about a problem.
I learned so much from Jonathan Pageau. At first I didn't like him but once he captures your attention... you are hooked to the Wisdom.
I know bro. Took me a while to get into his frame of thinking and now I’m scouting the internet looking for all his content
@@kwameowusu8351It's weird and almost feels surreal how similar people's experiences sometimes are. I have old comments where I basically wrote the same thing - that I didn't get what Jonathan was saying for almost one or two years, until everything eventually came together and I began to understand his frame and way of thinking. Since then, he makes perfect sense to me. It's as if, because we come from similar cultural backgrounds, we had to go through similar developments in our thinking to leave behind the worldview our culture instilled in us. And I say that as someone coming from Germany - these and other changes are happening all around the world at the same time, weirdly enough.
Well said bro
I ALWAYS LIKED HIM! He is chosen by God!
He led me to Orthodoxy and now I'm talking to a priest.
Haven't heard that many eyeopening insights in a while!
Thanks for fixing the audio. I got thé latter. Absolutely insightful. On so many levels. Great questions to stimulate the engagement. Well done.
Yes. I have been borrowing from the future, and this living case study has inspired my children NOT to do it. A little consolation. I am so proud of them to see them ‘crack the code’ Blessings
Definitely useful @JonathanPageau . I'm starting to understand your language now.
This was really helpful. Thank you!
The year of Jubilee served as the bulwark against the debt monster. Sounds like a good idea now!
Ok. Jon is da new kokoshuko with all these truth bombs
To the extent that it’s debt it’s negative potential!
Where can I find Jonathan’s analysis of Spirited away? Would love to see it but it seems impossible to find! Thanks!
www.bitchute.com/video/dEwYzkm8bJBU/
i cant find jonathan pageau's spirited away commentary and i saw it in his youtube page back in the day. What happend to the video? anyone can point to it? i really want to see it again.
www.bitchute.com/video/dEwYzkm8bJBU/
Why is the audio so choppy? Other than that, thanks!
Fixed it. Thanks for the feedback!
Thank you, but still garbled around 5-6 minutes
@@inheritancepodcast please don’t edit like this. You’re “pinching pennies” ie seconds. Let the speaker breathe.
Borrower is slave to the lender...
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I love Pageau and listen to almost any interview or podcast he gets featured on. I cant really listen to this one because the editing is so harsh and choppy. Just let people talk. People have been listening to 3 hour long podcasts for years now, you arent doing any favors by trying to fit an hour or so worth of dialogue into 40 minutes by cutting out pauses, "ums" and stutters. That style of editing works better for shorts and tik toks where you really do have to compress the most you can into a limited time frame. Its totally unnecessary for long form content.
Agreed
there are two great illusions in life: money in the social sphere and free will in the individual. both stem from the future being illusory; you cant prove the future exists.
I love Jonathan Pageau but I had to give this video a thumbs down simply for the editing. It’s too abrupt and there’s a slight momentary increase in volume when it happens. I can’t listen any further. Best of luck on future edits.
It's like a giant tik tok
1:07 Money is a tool, or at least it was in its original weights and measures set forth in the Torah. It cannot increase itself, it cannot repoduce, its value is its rarity and Time can NOT be borrowed from in the future, for to do so would attribute mankind to the alchemests as zeuse or that of pythagrion, pagan theologians and gods. No Time and Money are not the same they are not equal in value, Though time and Money are both finite one can never gain more of the rarer element know as time. (Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.) I find your introductary statment to be completly incorrect, you cannot put a value on time cause it is the rarest thing of all in this world. Time cannot be molded or exchanged, however money is molded and exchanged all the time, it is the covetousness of it by mere men who bring intrinsic value to is usefulness. Money Gold and Silver are one standard, Credit is Fraud that of Whitchcraft wrapped in the decite of discharge not payment. To be in perpetual debt is to be a slave to that debt, ( Deuteronomy 25:13-16. JUST WEIGHTS AND MEASURES.
So Leviticus 19:35-36. Among the laws of moral holiness comes the law of just weights and measures. (16) An abomination unto the Lord.-So in Proverbs 11:1, “a false balance is abomination to the Lord.” (See also Amos 8:4-8.) The protection of the poor is the chief practical end in this; rich men can take care of themselves. Poor men are doubly robbed by short weight and measure, because they cannot protect themselves against it. The injustice tends to perpetuate their poverty.) For the wages of sin is death . and debt can only ever be debt, outside of Yahwea debt is death is sin. This man is speaking word alchemy to the twisting of the Weights and Standards of Money. Money and Credit are not the same. Credit is an Alchemists word to decive aka transmute life into a dead thing this is Necromancy and the love of Money is death, this be espically true for in Torah Debt is Death.
I get to 6:30 seconds and now i know why he thinks the way he does. he really does not know the history behind credit in this Corporate Legislative Democracy in comparison to the Republic and what real money is. So what am i supposed to realize? that there is no spoon neo. Once you grasp the fact that Credit is Fraud aka there is no spoon you can begin to comprehend the word alchemy used in the spiritual realm as to the 1984 doubble speak. (James 1:8A double minded man is unstable in ALL his ways) Knowing the Truth is far more valuable than the lie of credit itself, because credit is appealing if you do not know definions of words and the history behind them. because words mean things. the world was spoke into existance, words kill or they bless. words are life or death in the spiritual. and if you do not know the history of words and how they have been twisted by the subbtle means of manipulative deciptive men you will not even know your enemy if he stared you in the face with a giant welcoming smile on his face. (2 Corinthians 11:14-15 - And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
1 John 4:1 - Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Corinthians 11:14 - And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
1 Peter 5:8 - Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour) Thank you for being patient with me i hope your brother the hebrew linguist gets to tear my words apart in the english and hebrew... shalome...
It seems this conversation leads to Bitcoin. The philosophy of Robert Breedlove and to a lesser extent, Jeff Booth.