Lord Jesus this is incredible. I now understand Trinity. I love low how He finally summed up everything to God - the ultimate and only source of all good. May God bless you and your family and everyone you know and don’t know 😁
Excellent lecture! There's a very interesting definition of "Love" in Purgatory too; our inclination towards our mind's apprehension/representation of reality. Which is one of the places where things can go wrong. And Dante in some ways defines the whole field of phenomenology in two brief verses: From what is real your apprehensive power extracts an image it displays within you, forcing your mind to be attentive to it; and if, attentive, it inclines toward this, that inclination is love.
This talk deserves WAY more views ^^ I hope the algorithm picks it up, or that Jonathan puts it on his channel as well (or post the link to it on his channel's community page?)
You might say love equates to respect. And to need, your own need. You must recognize the true identity of whatever-it-is, respect it, and interact with it while recognizing its nature and point of view, as well (of course) as your own. To recognize and respect reality is to love it, and is a key part of recognizing, respecting, and loving its author, God. And yes, it is love that draws all things together and is the means by which reality assembles itself, and makes our world. Electrons love protons, hydrogen atoms love oxygen atoms, water loves proteins, cells love one another, and so on. Love involves need but it also involves satisfying the need of that which is loved. God's paradigm. Our reality. I love your work, Jonathan. Keep it up, and regards to your brother, with my love.
This is so perfect. Jordan Peterson is working through this topic right now, and would likely benefit from hearing how you laid this out. I would love to hear a conversation where Bishop Barron picks up on rightly ordered worship, and then maybe Father John Riccardo leads into the kerygma naturally from there.
Thanks. It’s good to hear. I’m sure you’re right that, in Dante, love is the animating and therefore divine force. I’d add a qualification, though, that I don’t think Dante’s about tempering love so as to reveal higher or more spiritual loves. Rather, the intellect (meaning, at base, something like aware resonance) combines with love, so that love can love all the more freely as it perceives all the more fully how all things share in the love of the source. They are increasingly known as manifesting the source, as the understanding of love grows. In other words, love, insight, freedom and light all grow together - which is Dante’s experience in Paradise. The good news is that the direction of travel is always into more!
Thank you, Jonathan, for a clear and relatable explanation of the hierarchy of what is lovable and how love for goodness in lower things should lead to love for higher things and then the source of love: God. Getting stuck loving lower things is addiction and as you or Bishop Barron recently mentioned, idolatry. Also, your explanation of self-giving love of the Trinity for each other shows how they maintain their unity and individuality and does not result in absorption and obliteration of individuality. God bless you.
There are parts of a novel, by Craig Ferguson, that touch on some of these concepts. It is a beautiful story, and extremely funny…if you have time, read “Between the Bridge and the River.” You will love the symbolism.
09:00 this is what Bishop Barron was trying to explain to Jordan Peterson in their video last year. Every vice or sin is still a movement to some perceived good, however wrong that assessment may be.
I suppose, but chasing vices is one thing. There are some people who fully invert morality. Are they really chasing a good when they’ve consciously chosen to view evil as good? What is the good in hating God?
What about when we are compelled to act by fear? What kind of love or care would that be based on this framing? When you act out of fear of consequences? Is that love of familiarity and order, love of security?
I don't find myself quite on the same page here. If love is what moves us, whatever we do, and the problem is disordered love there must exist a hierarchy that provides that order. This hierarchy cannot itself be love else the whole thing become circular and self referential. I suppose such could still be the case, but I don't see how it would be possible for me to warrant my belief that it is. Perhaps strong intuition might serve? But since I'm hopelessly self-delusional I'm not quite willing to bet everything on mere intuition. Perhaps that is a symptom of an inordinate love for acting on what is true, but I'm not at present able to abandon that desire.
12:00 what you're describing is Eros, the longing for the good, true, and beautiful. I wish Jonathan would interact with John Paul II's Theology of the Body. There's a brilliant synchronicity between what they're both saying.
This seems to boil down to a simple fault of will, right? If what lands you in hell is excess or deficiency of love/desire, then that's just a fault of the will.
@DEJAVU So basically redirect the attention from being aware of it? Falls into the concept of being more well rounded. By, be mindful of it, knowing that it's there , know ones tendency, but redirect the attention? That's kinda what I pull from your answer, is that your meaning?
marcianism / eastern gnosticism ... things to be aware of...XC isn't love he is the 2nd person of the Trinity ...we don't strive towards love but towards theosis...
Don’t forget God is love. Love is part of the uncreated energies, which are no less Him than His essence. Theosis can be described as continually turning towards God at every moment - turning towards love. This can completely in line with Orthodox thinking as Jonathan is Orthodox.
its not love(whatever that means and whoever has the authority to say what of those many diferrent concepts it is) its passion, so even if you wanna play the creator game, than this old guy has passion as emotion to create, because you dont do anything unless you are brainwashed or you have some sort of passion, why do we do anything? Because we want something from it, if you want something you are in need, not happy, in suffering, out of this passion arises.
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I listened to this on Christmas Morning.
It is SO inspiring.
No words.
Thank you, Sir.
✌☮🕊
Jonathan is always enlightening. I hope those ladies of Kintore appreciated this talk.
*cough-sovereign-member-cough*
Ok, this is a really fantastic lecture. Wow.
"Wow!" ...is the correct response. Amazing. ✌
So, omg, like wow, man!
@@User0resU-1 Wow, wow, wow! Wow. :)
Lord Jesus this is incredible. I now understand Trinity. I love low how He finally summed up everything to God - the ultimate and only source of all good. May God bless you and your family and everyone you know and don’t know 😁
Excellent lecture! There's a very interesting definition of "Love" in Purgatory too; our inclination towards our mind's apprehension/representation of reality. Which is one of the places where things can go wrong. And Dante in some ways defines the whole field of phenomenology in two brief verses:
From what is real your apprehensive power
extracts an image it displays within you,
forcing your mind to be attentive to it;
and if, attentive, it inclines toward this,
that inclination is love.
This talk deserves WAY more views ^^
I hope the algorithm picks it up, or that Jonathan puts it on his channel as well (or post the link to it on his channel's community page?)
I have never heard Dante expressed in this way. Thank you so much.
Incredibly profound. Thank you Jonathan!
You might say love equates to respect. And to need, your own need. You must recognize the true identity of whatever-it-is, respect it, and interact with it while recognizing its nature and point of view, as well (of course) as your own. To recognize and respect reality is to love it, and is a key part of recognizing, respecting, and loving its author, God. And yes, it is love that draws all things together and is the means by which reality assembles itself, and makes our world. Electrons love protons, hydrogen atoms love oxygen atoms, water loves proteins, cells love one another, and so on. Love involves need but it also involves satisfying the need of that which is loved. God's paradigm. Our reality. I love your work, Jonathan. Keep it up, and regards to your brother, with my love.
this is one of jonathan's best talk
thank you
Excellent, thought-provoking, and inspiring as usual
This is a wonderful presentation of love and its dark side.
There is no dark side to Love.
Love is light.
Love as everything else can be twisted and corrupted.
FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD SO MUCH THAT HE GAVE HIS ONE AND ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, THAT WHOSOEVER BELIEVES IN ME WILL HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE.
I feel this expressed something God has been trying to tell me 💕
This is so perfect. Jordan Peterson is working through this topic right now, and would likely benefit from hearing how you laid this out.
I would love to hear a conversation where Bishop Barron picks up on rightly ordered worship, and then maybe Father John Riccardo leads into the kerygma naturally from there.
Love Jonathan Pageauz work
Thanks. It’s good to hear. I’m sure you’re right that, in Dante, love is the animating and therefore divine force. I’d add a qualification, though, that I don’t think Dante’s about tempering love so as to reveal higher or more spiritual loves. Rather, the intellect (meaning, at base, something like aware resonance) combines with love, so that love can love all the more freely as it perceives all the more fully how all things share in the love of the source. They are increasingly known as manifesting the source, as the understanding of love grows. In other words, love, insight, freedom and light all grow together - which is Dante’s experience in Paradise. The good news is that the direction of travel is always into more!
Beautiful
Wow wow wow, so important!
Thank you for sharing this video.
I am greatly encouraged by your video, I loved reading Dante in high school. This was an amazing talk.
Amazing so clear
3:33 literally. Newton took Empedocles' idea of Love and Strife 'animating' the universe, renamed the forces Gravity and Inertia, and called it a day!
Thank you, Jonathan, for a clear and relatable explanation of the hierarchy of what is lovable and how love for goodness in lower things should lead to love for higher things and then the source of love: God. Getting stuck loving lower things is addiction and as you or Bishop Barron recently mentioned, idolatry. Also, your explanation of self-giving love of the Trinity for each other shows how they maintain their unity and individuality and does not result in absorption and obliteration of individuality. God bless you.
Oh yeah, Dante! I was waiting for Jonathan to say more on that!
I really loved this lecture 😉😃
Jesus please help me have a normal love for food and a greater love for you. Thank you Lord
How have you been doing with this?
Thanks
There are parts of a novel, by Craig Ferguson, that touch on some of these concepts. It is a beautiful story, and extremely funny…if you have time, read “Between the Bridge and the River.” You will love the symbolism.
😂❤️🔥 accurate as hell, incredible. story selection with the precision of a sword lol.
Beautiful paths of ❤️ in 33min
So interesting 🎁☃️
09:00 this is what Bishop Barron was trying to explain to Jordan Peterson in their video last year. Every vice or sin is still a movement to some perceived good, however wrong that assessment may be.
I suppose, but chasing vices is one thing. There are some people who fully invert morality. Are they really chasing a good when they’ve consciously chosen to view evil as good? What is the good in hating God?
Really excellent
So true my manipulative yet loving mother would rather me in Hell with her rather than understand our opposition
What about when we are compelled to act by fear? What kind of love or care would that be based on this framing? When you act out of fear of consequences? Is that love of familiarity and order, love of security?
I don't find myself quite on the same page here. If love is what moves us, whatever we do, and the problem is disordered love there must exist a hierarchy that provides that order. This hierarchy cannot itself be love else the whole thing become circular and self referential. I suppose such could still be the case, but I don't see how it would be possible for me to warrant my belief that it is. Perhaps strong intuition might serve? But since I'm hopelessly self-delusional I'm not quite willing to bet everything on mere intuition. Perhaps that is a symptom of an inordinate love for acting on what is true, but I'm not at present able to abandon that desire.
Dante da italiano è il piu grande in assoluto come letterato come mistico. Immenso.
12:00 what you're describing is Eros, the longing for the good, true, and beautiful. I wish Jonathan would interact with John Paul II's Theology of the Body. There's a brilliant synchronicity between what they're both saying.
Thanks for mentioning this book! Ik im not the one you were speaking to, but I wanted to say thanks regardless.
I'll check it out.
Please talk with Christopher West! All desires point to our ultimate desire for God. 💓
Love
I had to pause this video to go outside and have a smoke 😑
Theos agape estin (1st John 4:8.) I honestly think any lesson about man by man eventually arrives at this.
What is the text he is commenting on? I couldn't catch what he said.
Dante’s divine comedy
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This seems to boil down to a simple fault of will, right? If what lands you in hell is excess or deficiency of love/desire, then that's just a fault of the will.
Guide in The Great Divorce: George MacDonald
1:42
The love of money
I'm pretty sure I've been guilty of loving to much. Then how do you back that down?
@DEJAVU So basically redirect the attention from being aware of it? Falls into the concept of being more well rounded. By, be mindful of it, knowing that it's there , know ones tendency, but redirect the attention? That's kinda what I pull from your answer, is that your meaning?
@Mary Martin lol . I have 6.
@DEJAVU That's a great example. Thanks.
starting to sound like Jordan P
does God love the world too much, where is becomes addiction?
I Am, a jealous God
where is this from?
Its from the heart, amen.
0:^)
This is insane lol
Atheist mfs will cope so hard
marcianism / eastern gnosticism ... things to be aware of...XC isn't love he is the 2nd person of the Trinity ...we don't strive towards love but towards theosis...
Don’t forget God is love. Love is part of the uncreated energies, which are no less Him than His essence. Theosis can be described as continually turning towards God at every moment - turning towards love. This can completely in line with Orthodox thinking as Jonathan is Orthodox.
God is love love is NOT God
its not love(whatever that means and whoever has the authority to say what of those many diferrent concepts it is) its passion, so even if you wanna play the creator game, than this old guy has passion as emotion to create, because you dont do anything unless you are brainwashed or you have some sort of passion, why do we do anything? Because we want something from it, if you want something you are in need, not happy, in suffering, out of this passion arises.
how is calling everything love helpful, all you're saying is humans are motivated by motivation, it's tautological.
This all seems banal to me. Oh well. One man’s trash…
Drop us a TH-cam link to what really gets you excited. Would love to check it out.
Beautiful