Come Follow Me Book of Mormon Mosiah 11-17 (May 13-19) Don't Miss This
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- Have you ever wondered why it is so important to surround yourself with good friends? Are there things we can learn from Noah? Abinadi? Alma? What do you know about the word redeem? What do we learn about the Redeemer in this lesson? This week in Come, Follow Me we will be studying Mosiah 11-17 in the Book of Mormon.
Here are the segments you can look forward to:
SEGMENT ONE: WHO IS HE
SEGMENT TWO: THE EXCEPT PLAN
SEGMENT THREE: WITH WONDER AND AMAZEMENT
SEGMENT FOUR: WOUNDED FOR OURS
SEGMENT FIVE: HOW BEAUTIFUL
SEGMENT SIX: BUT THERE WAS ONE
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00:00 God, Himself - intro
1:37 Who is He?
13:34 The except plan
25:40 With wonder and amazement
30:14 Wounded for ours
40:08 How beautiful
49:17 But there was one - worksheet
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I think another way to think about the disguise was so he could get into the city without being thrown out. But when it was time to reveal himself he was ready and bold. I really enjoy both of your enthusiasm and love for the scriptures. Also your perspectives on the truths of the gospel. Thank you for your time and effort.
Thoughts about the disguise, Abinidi preached the message to the people chp.11:20 planted the seed to help them SEE, comes back in disguise to see if they listened and had changed
Two years . . . Abinadi in hiding, preparing for two years. My thoughts turn to my current missionary son and see that he and the Lord are preparing him for what is to come in his life. These two years are great preparation years. I love the thought of two years, Abinadi, and missionaries.
I love this! ❤
I feel like I’ve been running in circles mentally. Just going day to day, missing clarity and the spirit.
About 30 minutes into this video the spirit I am so familiar with set in and I felt the peace and love of God.
I’m a gospel doctrine teacher preparing to teach on Sunday and I’ve had a really hard time making time to sit down and prepare. I’m listening to this while I’m working bc I don’t have extra time, and this is exactly what I needed to help get me into the right head space to really start preparing to teach. Thank you❤️
Man, Grace, I really appreciate your articulation of people “unburdening” themselves from “responsibility” by ceasing keeping their covenants or rejecting the religious worship they had once followed.
It brings to my mind the image of being “yoked with the Savior.” When we unyoke ourselves, we still have to go through life, the field still has to be plowed, but we no longer have the power of Christ with us (as the analogy goes).
And then David, I love David…”Right! Cool thought. Super cool thought…Anyways… 7:07”😂
Imagine Alma and Abinadi’s reunion - so sweet!
David, when you said, “Our words are really important, but so is the timing of those words. If we will listen to that direction and nudging of the Spirit I think we know both the words to speak and a given time to speak them. That is so profound to me. I’ve been thinking about how words lately, just don’t seem to have as much meaning as they used to, especially in the Scriptures. As a newly called young women’s leader, I have been trying to be very careful about what I say and when I say it. It’s so important to follow the prompting that the spirit gives you. Thank youfor this.
Very true, timing is everything BUT please be bold with the young women and teaching them spiritual matter are more important then worldly things.
David, we do live in the same type of society and people are blind. We are over taxed by our current govt and they are rolling in money and we are not revolting because many don’t see it! It’s our society NOW
Mosiah 15: 15-18. One of many symbols of the temple is the mountains. When we go to the temple and do our own work, and then the work of others, we are publishing peace and bringing good tidings. We're doing the Lord's work of redemption.
I saved my missionarie’s shoes. It’s a great physical reminder of how hard they worked spreading the word of God.
In addition to comparing King Noah to Abinadi, we also compared King Noah to King Benjamin. They were contemporaries, but opposite in so many ways. You could pretty much reverse the "Did" and "Did Not" lists and it would describe King Benjamin.
I love this idea! Also interesting how King Noah almost embodies the natural man in Mosiah 3:19
What came to my mind regarding Abinadi was that the Abinadi that left the city, spiritual wasn't the one that came back 2 years later . I think he spent 2 years preparing himself for what he knew would happen, that he would be killed for the things he was saying, that's why he wouldn't back down or recant anything he said. Thank you so much for the time , energy and love for the Lord that you put into your lessons .
Thank you for your videos and discussions each week! Grateful for your efforts! 😃👋
You two Are Incredable teachers...Thank you for using your gifts So profoundly well...I Know,Our Heavenly Father and His Son,Jesus Christ,are Extremely Proud,as well as fascinated with your Divine Performance and teaching skills! Straight through the heart!!!
What if the Lord let Abinadi know he was going to die a martyr and the two years were also spent loving his family and begging with them helping them prepare for life without him 😢 in addition to spiritual preparation.....
Oh my gosh! Your description of King Noah and his methods made me think of the millionaire influencers, taking all the money from the people, rolling up to places with extravagance and yet all the people love it. 🤔
and certain politicians!
Thank you again for an amazing lesson. Love the way you honored Abinadi! It touched my Spirit immensely. If we could only teach these wonderful Book of Mormon stories to those trying to destroy America and good people. So much hypocrisy in our world. We need more Abinadi’s. May God bless us all! Thank you Grace and David. Love you lots. 😘❤️
Abinidai to priests of Noah: “Why are you pretending you like the scriptures?” 😂hahaha
I've never looked at King Noah appearing like the "good guy" and Abinidi as the trouble maker. That hits home with me.❤😊❤
I wish I could show a picture I found that illustrates how Jesus truly is the Good Shepherd that battles wolves intent on getting to his lambs.. scratches and blood, with His eyes towards us, His sheep. I am so grateful for one of the questions this week. Maybe my feet are beautiful as I teach my son about Jesus! Something I never considered before
Thank for the lesson and it touched my heart!
Thank you for Such incredible guidance And information...
He took Himself to death for us. Beautiful Thank you very much.😍👏
A great question that’s been on my mind while studying this section is “how is Abinadi a type of Christ?”
Love Love you guys❤
Awesome!
Anybody outside the country and in some parts of the US say YOU have an accent.
Can you give the specific reference to the Pres Nelson quote about the purpose of missionaries?
I’d love that reference as well if someone finds it!
Abinadi 2024!!!!!!
1828 Websters dictionary for "withstand": "to oppose or resist with physical or moral force". Abinadi shows us moral force.
Minute 9.. this is happening right now in America and we are doing nothing... no revolt
You can always start one yourself. If you feel that strongly
I was thinking the same.
This was my exact feeling - we’re seeing this today in the United States
Agree.
Came to comment the exact same thing.
Minute 48 - where is the quote from President Nelson? Talking about missionaries job not being to increase the membership of the church but to bring joy
Here is the exact quote: "That is why our missionaries leave their homes to preach His gospel. Their goal is not to increase the number of Church members. Rather, our missionaries teach and baptize10 to bring joy to the people of the world!" From his Oct 2016 GC address "Joy and Spiritual Survival"
The prophet Mormon saw the last days as if he were present. Mor 8:35 He addresses his reader and asks why we have transfigured the holy word of God v33 and declares that we have polluted the holy church of God v38. In order to wake us up to this situation (Ether 8:24) because he knew most of us would be blind and hard hearted, he cherry picked specific characters and events in his abridgment to serve as allegorical prophecy that would mean something to his readers in the last days.
In Mosiah 9, we see a parallel with Zeniff representing Joseph Smith and the King of the Lamanites with the Governor of Missouri. We also get a warning in Jacob 1:15 “under the reign of the SECOND king, began to grow hard in their hearts, and indulge themselves somewhat in wicked practices, such as like unto David of old desiring many wives and concubines, and also Solomon, his son.”
Mormon further emphasizes this in the next chapter 2:23-24 “This people begin to wax in iniquity; they understand not the scriptures, for they seek to excuse themselves in committing whoredoms, because of the things which were written concerning David, and Solomon his son. Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.”
Now here in Mosiah 11, Mormon gives us the example of another 2nd king, after Zeniff. How does he describe him?
- V1 “he did not walk in the ways of his father” [predecessor]
- V2 “For behold, he did not keep the commandments of God, but he did walk after the desires of his own heart. And he had many wives and concubines.”
- V2 “And he did cause his people to commit sin, and do that which was abominable”
- V3 “He taxed [tithed] them”
- V4 Used this money “to support himself and his wives and his concubines and also his priests and their wives and concubines”
- V4 “thus he had changed the affairs of the kingdom”
- V8 Built helping many elegant and spacious buildings
- V9 Built himself a spacious place
- V10 Built and adorned a temple
- V12-13 Built a tower on the hill north of the land
- V14 Place his heart upon riches
- V15 Built wine presses
- V16 Fought against the Lamanites in the local area
What is Mormon trying to tell his latter day reader. What connection is he trying to get them to see by describing this “2nd king” and the preceding chapters as mentioned above?
If it isn’t obvious, Mormon is warning us about ourselves and what we would do in our church history.
- Brigham had 56 wives and only 57 children. The wife to children ratio in polygamous relationships defeats the notion that it is to raise up a lot of children. If those polygamous wives had had their own husband it would have resulted in more children born into the covenant. The US Censes also shows that there were actually more men in Utah territory than women.
- Joseph Smith repeatedly taught polygamy was a form of adultery, but after Joseph died, Brigham had Joseph’s journals edited to change his words to support this new affair and had women many years later lie and say they were sealed to Joseph in an attempt to win the Temple Lot court case to prove they were the sole successors to Joseph’s church instead of the others that formed. See th-cam.com/video/eJtpqVAVPjA/w-d-xo.html for a start
- Brigham changed tithing and declared in History of the Church pg 257 “I want my support and living by the church hereafter, so that I can give my whole time to the business of the church” This is contrary to what Mormon tells us about King Benjamin. “And even I, myself, have labored with mine own hands that I might serve you, and that ye should not be laden with taxes” Mosiah 2:14 And witnessed again in Alma 30:32-33 “Thou knowest that we do not glut ourselves upon the labors of this people; for behold I have labored…And notwithstanding the many labors which I have performed in the church, I have never received so much as even one senine for my labor; neither has any of my brethren.”
- Plural marriage was not taught or practiced by Joseph Smith. See YT channels, 132 Problems, Rob Fotheringham and so when Brigham made plural/temple marriage the highest ordinance he fulfilled prophecy in Isaiah 24:5 and D&C 1:15 by changing the ordinances and breaking the everlasting covenant, which if you do a keyword search for that phrase you will come to see it is obviously not temple marriage.
- He cause his people to error by also participating in this practice which the Lord declared as an abomination in Jacob 2:24
- Brigham built the largest and richest homes in the west. The “Gardo house” was called the palace of the west and rivaled the interior of any temple.
- He introduced a modified freemasonry for the temple ceremony, which included their secret signs and words as well as the penalty oath of promising to slit your throat if you tell the details of the temple ceremony. The scriptures warn us of these very things in Hellman 6:22 “they did have their signs, yea, their secret signs, and their secret words; and this that they might distinguish a brother who had entered into the covenant” and Moses 5:29 “And Satan said unto Cain: Swear unto me by thy throat, and if thou tell it thou shalt die; and swear thy brethren by their heads, and by the living God, that they tell it not; for if they tell it, they shall surely die”
- Ensign Peak has a tower on it and is located on the north hill of the SLC temple and served as a lookout for the surrounding area
- Brigham became the richest man in the west. How does the prophet become rich? He took from the tithes. He bragged about this. In today’s money it would be estimated around $7 million. In Malachi 3:8 the leaders have twisted this verse to apply to the people when it is actually Malachi leavening these charges agains the priests of his day. “Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.”
- He also built many wineries and bars in Utah
- And lastly he had the Timpangos Indians killed in a massacre in Utah county.
One can continue through the chapters to find even more prophetic parallels that Mormon is giving us. For a quick example see the next chapter, Mosiah 12:6 “and insects shall pester their land also, and devour their grain.” Remember the grasshoppers plague that came during the early pioneer’s time? That was a covenant curse because of the abominations the saints were living.
I always wonder why Noah said. Who is the Lord ? What about his father, King Zeniff? He didn't teach him anything about the God above.
My children were taught the gospel, but one has decided they are now an atheist and has basically said who’s God.
I think Zeniff would have taught King Noah about the Lord. In Mosiah 11:1 it says ‘and he (King Noah) did not walk in the ways of his father’. To me this verse implies that King Noah was taught about the Lord, but perhaps chose not to follow him.
In your lesson on Mosiah 11-17, you referred to a quote by President Nelson taken from a talk to a group of missionaries. The quote was “Your job is it to teach and baptize people to add more membership to the church. Your job is to bring joy …”
I would love to read the whole article. Can you please tell me how to find it?
"That is why our missionaries leave their homes to preach His gospel. Their goal is not to increase the number of Church members. Rather, our missionaries teach and baptize10 to bring joy to the people of the world!" From his Oct 2016 GC address "Joy and Spiritual Survival"
Also, Abinadi taught that the commandments were to keep them in remembrance of their Lord
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I’m sure Noah, compare “his” kingdom to their lamanites neighbors and said look at what they have compared to what we have. We are Gods people and we should have everything they have and more.
Can you direct me to the quote from President Nelson about your job is to bring joy?
Here is the exact quote: "That is why our missionaries leave their homes to preach His gospel. Their goal is not to increase the number of Church members. Rather, our missionaries teach and baptize10 to bring joy to the people of the world!" From his Oct 2016 GC address "Joy and Spiritual Survival"