I hope this video creates more conversation around the armor system and maybe makes you think twice before buying the most expensive armour available. If you'd like to review the document you can do so here tinyurl.com/4bhvs8y5 - prices will be different today than when I made it. My take is, I don't care about the TTK, but IMO armor shouldn't have wildly different prices if they don't perform significantly differently, and the game is straight up lying about things such as face protection.
Thanks for taking the time to test and create the spreadsheet. One note I have is that because you chose to use a high HP bullet like 7.62x51 instead of something like 9x19, you are operating in smaller number increments. The difference between armors of the same rarity is nullified when a single shot is doing 40 damage anyway and the difference between each armor HP is less than 40. If you redid the chart with 9x19 you would find that different armors within the same armor class would produce results that distinguish the armors as being able to tank a different number of hits, which would then change your price efficacy numbers. Hope this made sense
Yeah that's totally fair. I tested 5.56 and 7.62x51 just because they're so commonly used especially in normal difficulty. I may expand the testing, but I just wanted to see some initial results.
I personally don’t have a problem with ttk as I don’t agree with players that spend 24/7 gaming getting a 20 bullet absorption advantage against new players.
@@fubarexress6359 IMO TTK is not the issue. It's the fact that you need to repair the armor 24/7, and Repair kits are expensive and occupy a lot of space. If we could design a system where TTK is mantained as it is. But Armor doesn't go Paper mode when you get shot like 4 times, then it would be ideal.
$ per bullet isn't the only metric. If they all same TTK only thing to measure is repair-ability. If you are hoping to win one fight per armor then $ per bullet would make sense. IDK if I've ever extracted from normal after only one fight.
This is my issue, because every bullet can counter its equal class of armor, so there is no actual protection because everything can be defeated. At the very least, purple ammo should be fully blocked by purple armor until broken. Every tier should be this way, not directly defeated by its class of armor. Now if a sniper has enough damage to break the helmet and one shot the head, thats fine with me, snipers are hard. But this 75% let through of damage to equal tiers of ammo makes every purple and below absolutely worthless in normal mode and now easy mode as well because people are running insane gear in easy.
@@Hudszgaming I’ve ran snipers a lot and they are fun but it’s a weird dmg model. I normally run purple ammo and that tends to lead to a 1-shot to the head but it still take like 3-4 to the body so you are heavily reliant on headshots
The face protection works in the firing range, kind of. Moved the target dummies to 2m and tested a variety of helmets. For instance the DICH-1 Tactical helmet guards upper face but not lower and takes 4 mouth shots to kill, compared to the GN Heavy Helmet which covers the mouth as well takes 5 mouth shots to kill. Using blue bullets. No difference with purple or higher bullets. I imagine the number of bullets is going to be different between guns and bullet type, with some having a bullet difference and others not. Maybe even some with more than 1 bullet difference. I tested with mini-14. I imagine the base amor pen of the gun makes the biggest difference, with most of the decent guns not having much difference, and the average weapons maybe having one bullet difference depending on the ammo type.
I think Armor is more a protection against players using lower tier ammo. If you are fighting people equally geared the armor is basically a non-factor.
At this point looting randoms kills is just par for the course. I don't agree with it, but it happens to me all the time so i'm over it. I can accept i'm a villain now
@@Hudszgamingdo you feel like using a perception booster shot is effective in approaching potential combat areas vs buying better perception helmets, I’m just diving into the systems but I thought that was an interesting item
@@Walking_D34D lol ok that's not what I said. But tell me how to play please. Armor can be worth 50k or 100k and have the same protection, but I guess that's good game design.
I hope this video creates more conversation around the armor system and maybe makes you think twice before buying the most expensive armour available. If you'd like to review the document you can do so here tinyurl.com/4bhvs8y5 - prices will be different today than when I made it. My take is, I don't care about the TTK, but IMO armor shouldn't have wildly different prices if they don't perform significantly differently, and the game is straight up lying about things such as face protection.
Thanks for taking the time to test and create the spreadsheet. One note I have is that because you chose to use a high HP bullet like 7.62x51 instead of something like 9x19, you are operating in smaller number increments.
The difference between armors of the same rarity is nullified when a single shot is doing 40 damage anyway and the difference between each armor HP is less than 40.
If you redid the chart with 9x19 you would find that different armors within the same armor class would produce results that distinguish the armors as being able to tank a different number of hits, which would then change your price efficacy numbers.
Hope this made sense
The most commonly used guns in game are the G3,Scar and M7 in normals.
Testing armor vs the average round makes sense
Yeah that's totally fair. I tested 5.56 and 7.62x51 just because they're so commonly used especially in normal difficulty. I may expand the testing, but I just wanted to see some initial results.
I personally don’t have a problem with ttk as I don’t agree with players that spend 24/7 gaming getting a 20 bullet absorption advantage against new players.
I'm fine with ttk. But the whole armour system just doesn't really make sense to me currently, I just don't bother using over blue.
Purple helmet is the most important with 50% better hearing. Gold armor 9 bullets to kill is quite the difference
@@davidb9323 it definitely is the best tier by far. But it's just so expensive, I'd bet the majority of players aren't considering buying it
Even gold armor feels useless. They need to seriously adjust TTK/Damage/armor.
@@fubarexress6359 IMO TTK is not the issue. It's the fact that you need to repair the armor 24/7, and Repair kits are expensive and occupy a lot of space. If we could design a system where TTK is mantained as it is. But Armor doesn't go Paper mode when you get shot like 4 times, then it would be ideal.
It only extends the Ttk by .01 or .02 which is nothing invalid argument
@ I craft from materials in the supply station
I think starting after purple, ammo should do decreased damage but keep the penetration value.
I'd definitely like some sort of rework
$ per bullet isn't the only metric. If they all same TTK only thing to measure is repair-ability. If you are hoping to win one fight per armor then $ per bullet would make sense. IDK if I've ever extracted from normal after only one fight.
Yeah that's a fair point
This is my issue, because every bullet can counter its equal class of armor, so there is no actual protection because everything can be defeated. At the very least, purple ammo should be fully blocked by purple armor until broken. Every tier should be this way, not directly defeated by its class of armor. Now if a sniper has enough damage to break the helmet and one shot the head, thats fine with me, snipers are hard. But this 75% let through of damage to equal tiers of ammo makes every purple and below absolutely worthless in normal mode and now easy mode as well because people are running insane gear in easy.
@@tonyk6233 yeah I tend to agree. Snipers currently feel very weak compared to everything else and they're the hardest weapons to use in theory.
@@Hudszgaming I’ve ran snipers a lot and they are fun but it’s a weird dmg model. I normally run purple ammo and that tends to lead to a 1-shot to the head but it still take like 3-4 to the body so you are heavily reliant on headshots
The face protection works in the firing range, kind of. Moved the target dummies to 2m and tested a variety of helmets. For instance the DICH-1 Tactical helmet guards upper face but not lower and takes 4 mouth shots to kill, compared to the GN Heavy Helmet which covers the mouth as well takes 5 mouth shots to kill. Using blue bullets. No difference with purple or higher bullets.
I imagine the number of bullets is going to be different between guns and bullet type, with some having a bullet difference and others not. Maybe even some with more than 1 bullet difference. I tested with mini-14. I imagine the base amor pen of the gun makes the biggest difference, with most of the decent guns not having much difference, and the average weapons maybe having one bullet difference depending on the ammo type.
I think Armor is more a protection against players using lower tier ammo. If you are fighting people equally geared the armor is basically a non-factor.
Thanks, Hudsz!
@@DerekSpeareDSD no sweat 👍
why are my space city runs full of sweats that rush spawns haha
@@y1upp913 that's just the joy of space city haha. Spawns aren't good tbh and people will play super aggro so it's very dangerous
someone finally said it
I think a lot of people have been saying it to be honest, but it's quite crazy when you test it.
You missed out an importnat timestamp:
19:00 - looting Nix's kill.
Can everyone please have some level of decorum, and not do that.
At this point looting randoms kills is just par for the course. I don't agree with it, but it happens to me all the time so i'm over it. I can accept i'm a villain now
all i hear is cash register sounds when i shoot purple ammo and above
@@JustAThought916 😅😅😅 it is depressing how much money I'm burning through
@@Hudszgaming except for ap20 👹
disgusting ammo
@EntropieEfemera the true king of the budget load out
😭😭
@@EntropieEfemeraJapan server is where you find tho weirdos running around with shotgun and slug round but i just body them every single time
You’re 100% right makes no god damn sense.
Glad i'm not going crazy
just spend more money on ammo
@TanxZYT basically
@@Hudszgamingdo you feel like using a perception booster shot is effective in approaching potential combat areas vs buying better perception helmets, I’m just diving into the systems but I thought that was an interesting item
@karllaunchbaugh5437 it's not a bad way to go tbh significantly cheaper and can keep them in your secure container.
crying again about ttk i can tell you font know how to play the game
@@Walking_D34D lol ok that's not what I said. But tell me how to play please. Armor can be worth 50k or 100k and have the same protection, but I guess that's good game design.
@@Hudszgaming until you make a game you cant really talk my guy if you think you can do better go make a game with features you like
lil bro is a walking nerd symbol and delusional with his "AcTuAlLy" 🤓 ignore this muppet hudsz
@@Walking_D34D why are you farming downvotes? you're already irrelevant
@@Lake-ts2yl like down votes matter they don't show up anyways and no one cares about you little boy