This is an absolutely perfect product for my situation, i need to make a little nas for my parents to use in their house, hope i can get one of these and just set it up in their basement and leave it for forever.
@@spencer5051 I would assume the 8tb SSDs are merely just for this video and more than likely he swapped it out for something else when he actually deployed it
I use a normal RPi4 with external USB3 disks. Works well and are available now for anyone who has the RPi. It's the RPi that is hard to find with all electronics shortages.
@@JeffGeerling Well, the original name in fact used "Inexpensive" for the I in RAID, but later (reference to a book released in 2002) the advisory board replaced it with "Independent", probably because that makes more sense than the former. :D
Inexpensive because it intends small stand-alone disks and not the really, really expensive server disks (disk packs) looking like a big washing machine. And just about all disks are inexpensive now, when looking at media price. No longer $1000 for a few MB of storage.
@@perwestermark8920 You saved me from writing that Per. One place I worked at had to agonise over the expense of one of those "washing machine" sized drives, a 60MB example. Later I laid out the computer room and supervised the installation of a new mainframe that had two strings of such drives, one was 8X100MB, the other 4X200MB, but addressed the same as the first. Mainframe Operating Systems had serious limitations, needed a team to support them, but were reliable. Even the 8" SCSI drives that came out later were far from inexpensive, just less expensive. To me a 4TB SATA SSD is far beyond amazing, and the M.2 PCIe SSDs are cheap for what you get.
@@John.0z My first own drive was about $1000 for 42MB MFM drive. Then $1500 for 320MB ESDI drive. $1000 for 1.3GB SCSI. $2000 for 5GB SCSI. Given the capacity increases and inflation, todays SSD and HDD feels like they are almost "for free". I can lose 1TB in a corner somewhere and probably not notice the missed storage capacity from that extra (and forgotten) disk image.
I'm glad to see you didn't cover the air vent! I never would have noticed it if you didn't talk about it in your CO2 concentration video. The value you provide to the community with your brain, when it's working, is exceptional. The visual value of the vent cover to the community doesn't seem like a good trade. I see it's still hanging up. I think you should dispose of it. Or, at the very least, attach it with some stand-offs so you still get air. Keep up the good work, and stay well.
At 6:09, where you show a closeup of the sata chip, if you look at the pads on the chip you can see a solder bridge on two of the pins. This might be intentional or it might be the source of the second sata port failure. Worth investigating as it might be a quick fix to remove the excess solder from the pins. That chip looks like it has way too much solder on it. Good luck with your build. Pre Production boards are always fun. Their like a box of chocolates, you never know what you'll get.
Those two pins shorten are the RX differential pair of the second SATA channel of the ASM1061 chip. If the developers deliver their products to public in the state like that, that tells a lot of what's going on behind the scene. I didn't get what the developers of this setup are going to achieve especially when ODROID HC4 has been around for 2 years already. HC4 is a high quality piece of gear that has everything on board right out of the box.
I’m definitely interested. Going to set this up when out of prototype phase. Great videos. I many not be a computer professional, but I do home setups, networks, etc. as a hobbyist. Rebuilt cars and worked construction as a kid. Now, I no longer want to spend time and effort on the garage floor at 20F in the winter, plus the money. This has been more practical in today’s lifestyle.
Thanks for the video. The fact that this device is so attractive reflects that, for all the positives, the lack of a pci pinout (or better a sata port) on the original pi 4 is a fairly big negative.
There are few things serious missing: 1) metal extrusion case, 2) power toggle and reset switch, 3) RTC battery, 4) easy way to hookup multiple units into common power supply, or PoE out of the box.
It suprises me no one does a backbone for mounting lots of vertical compute modules, with no need for power, ethernet because that's all on the backbone. Inbuilt KVM also interesting.
I've had that on a backburner for some time now. Each card in this "blade" would contain either one CM4 plus NVMe slot or four CM4 plus 5port switch; the backplane would be connected via PCIe slot (just using the connector, not actual PCIe pinout) to connect power and UART for KVM; the backplane would have another 8 or 16 port switch to contain 8 or 16 of these sub-cards. And then some ESP32 or something similar with ethernet for the UARTs terminating and some web-UART-HTML5 thingy. I would love to build it but don't have time for it right now
we're talking (if 16 ports on the backplane + 5 ports on each sub-card) upto 4*15 = 60 CM4 = 240 ARM64 cores :) would get quite expensive, plus would love to put there dual-PSU or some UPS support as the backplane would supply 12V (because high currents) and each sub-card would switch down to 5V. I've spent some time thinking about this but ... maybe in November or December :)
Just what I was literally looking for the other day as I pondered what to do with a couple spare SSD’s I had lying around that were swapped out for bigger drives… they still work fine so now they will get a new life! Thanks!
I've already ordered the PiKVM and this, too, looks pretty interesting. Olimex LIME2 A20 is the less powerful but more open source alternative available in Europe. It has native Gigabit Ethernet, SATA, full HDMI, and a battery controller, among other things, and support for Allwinner A20 in mainline kernel is almost complete.
@@chrismorrison5301 Why would they? PiKVM connects directly to the server so it should use the server's power source. PiNAS should sit directly next to the router or switch. Neither is the kind of device you want to place far away and avoid running separate power to.
@@p_serdiuk I thought he said in one of the videos that one does. The KVM is going to be hooked up to my home desktop and right now the only feasible place for a NAS is connected to my PoE switch where I would rather use PoE because my plug situation isn't great.
When you said "if you have to ask..." regarding the price of the SSDs, I had to go look it up. As I suspected. Just under $700. That number range, relating to storage, brought me to a startling realization. My first-ever hard disk on a computer was on my Amiga 500... an 80MB Quantum SCSI drive connected via a TrumpCard 500. That setup was not cheap, and cost over $700 in 1991... fast forward 31 years later, adjust for inflation, and that kind of purchasing power (roughly $1500-1600 depending on how much over $700 it was; I forget) can now buy not one (which would be by itself, 100,000 times the capacity and probably 250-500 times as fast) but *two* Samsung 870 QVO 8TB drives, and possibly the rest of what you see here.
Sorry, late to the party here, and likely SOMEONE in the current 584 comments already said this, but i would be remiss in my duties as a avid nerd, maker, and [relatively] new Pi enthusiast (even managed to get my fingers on a Zero 2 W with now has the horsepower to run the HDR variant of Hyperion!! Ambilight what?? Pfffft! LOL) if i didnt both ask why they didnt use 10 cent threaded inserts, and if you had pushed that info along to Kubesail?? Thank you for ALL the knowledge you have given this community! Your channel RAPIDLY became my go-to resource for all things Pi for good reason!! Cheers!!
Wow, I noticed the solder bridge at it’s first appearance and thought “well, that must be intentional I guess” 😂 Great video, seems like a fitting solution for me and my NAS. 👍
whoda thunk, the guy who wrote all them ansible roles I use at work is also a great scott fan. I might have to take the plunge on one of these pi things, just to get some decent storage capacity for my plex server.
It's really cool. While I'm sure there are a lot of potential uses for it, I'd be much more interested in a Pi based NAS that uses NVME. I'm phasing out all of my HDDs in favor of SSDs, and I'm getting to the point where I'm phasing out my SATA SSDs for NVME (whether internal on the motherboard or a card or external via USB enclosure). At some point, I'm going to have a lot of smaller NVME drives with a lot of life still in them that were just replaced with larger versions, and I might want to put them individually into Pi NAS devices or set up as a RAID with a Gigabit ethernet port - probably as a media server, so the data will be largely write-once, read many.
It's a neat little NAS box, and as a 3D Printing nerd I'd point out that you certainly don't have to run screws into the plastic at all! I use Thermally press-fit inserts a lot, and those provide a secure, repeatable, interface for bolts & screws. Obviously they sent you one already messed up, but If it's a case you imagine taking apart repeatedly, they work great.
JEFF SALUDOS DE ARGENTINA SOY UN HOMBRE DE 62 Y ME GUSTA MUCHO TU PROGRAMA. EXITOS EN TODO, FAMILIA, TRABAJO Y ESTUDIO Y PROFESION TE MIRO DESDE UNA TABLET QUE TIRARO A LA BASURA AQUI NO SE PUEDE COMPRAR CELULAR NI COMPUTADORA SON MUY CARAS Y COSTOSAS .SALUDOS EXITOS JEFF
This design almost matches the idea I have for a pi nas (that I lack funding and knowledge for). I would rather they put the pcie slot and display connection on the carrier board. Then just create a daughter board as a sata back-plane that connects to pcie slot, this would allow them to create new back-planes for 3+ 2.5 drives or 2+ 3.5 drives when supply becomes available.
This is the future of personal computing, I can see a world where people have tons of little Kubernetes clusters and the OS is hosted as a microservice.
_Eh..._ maybe people need to be introduced with Pis in their daily life first before we go that far. Think washing and drying machines, dishwashers, treadmills, all kinds of personal use electronic appliances. Then people who _may_ be interested in that can use spare Pis to make it happen. Too many people are not exposed enough to this idea and are too narrow-minded about it at the moment for that to become true.
@@bluephreakr It wouldn't be PI's specifically, it would be some kinda pretty all in one package from a huge corporation with simplified instructions and by then it would be as standard as setting up a smartphone, I'm talking 30 maybe 60 years down the road. Currently there are distributed operating systems such as XtreemOS, Grid OS, vStar OS, and Megha OS just to name a few. These are able to fully run Linux applications (and some can also run windows applications) on a micro-service architecture. I've been playing around with XtreemOS at my house for a few months now and It's nice to have a power house available at any crappy laptop. But I suppose you are right if there isn't a market for it, it might as well be a pipe dream. :/
@@To-mos I never said it's impossible. But, it might be _impractical_ for most who consider the C drive as the entirety of their hard disk (far from the truth) and people using their PCs as an Internet appliance. It can happen, but you'll be old before it's realized.
Jeff, 3D printing is not the problem, the design is. If designed correctly you can add threaded metal inserts on the 3D printed parts quite easily, and the inserts are quite cheap (about 4 cents each, even less buying in bulk).
Superb video. 👍 I didn't know about VL805 usb controller on RPi4's pci bus. 3:43. Also I didn't know about sata storage controller ASM1061 tradeoff ( . . . or in the alternative if a desire for both, then the need for a PCI switching chip). It makes sense as one contemplates a line between sbc/iot and desktop platforms. Thank you.
Those screws that are partly stripped, there may be a way to fix that and still be able to remove them if needed. When a hole in wood is stripped some people stick small bits of wood in the hole to make it tight again. It is not the strongest repair but I have a feeling it would do more than good enough for that. One other thing that may be done is use a thicker screw. Of course the head on it may be bigger (and uglier) unless you know of a specialty fastener store that has them still with the same size head (maybe same color). Some screws even tap their own threads. I wonder if later revisions of that would have brass inserts, that would seem to be the best solution to the problem over all.
It seems the PCIe x4 connector on the back plane *actually conveys PCIe* , but it works in reverse direction: the thing which is put into the slot is the "host" side, while the slot is the "device" side. Even the power flows in that direction! You can follow the traces on the board and compare to the PCIe slot pinout to see if it's true.
At 6:08 you see the SATA bridge chip, two pins are obviously bridged. I see in the rest of the video one port is indeed not working... Maybe try touching the bridge with a soldering iron, it may be enough to fix it :)
I’ve worked on mine for over fifty hours and still have ssd issues as the kubesail stuff doesn’t show the ssd’s but I can access them through pios…. Emailing issues gets me nowhere. Kind of bummed over this being such a big deal. Pissed really…
Yeah I saw that bridged solder joint early in the video and was doubtful it was going to work. Their QC needs to take a hard look at this video and the work they are putting out even for PoC and demo units.
It is hard to have decided to stop participating in crowdfunded project and encountered a video like that, I see it as already reach it's goal, I hope that you will do a review again upon release to help remind me looking about ordering one! Thank you for sharing your opinion about this nice box :)
You're welcome! And I'm not too surprised the crowdfunding goal has been met, there are a lot of people like me who like the idea of a tiny, quiet NAS. I have a lot of faith they'll get the Kickstarter goals met, especially for the models that don't ship with a CM4, since that's the one part of the puzzle that's practically 'unobtanium' for most places right now :(
just a hint. two of the pins on the sata controll chip are shorted. hope this helps. :) and this will shurely be the problem with the one sata port not working.
One would think that a vendor would seriously test out any evaluation device before they send it out to TH-cam reviewers. If they are sloppy about that, what about what they send out to the rest of us?
Also, you'd think they would proofread the "Powe" label. The case is clearly 3D-printed, and the drives are mounted at a funny angle. Not impressed with the quality control.
Well, unlike almost 99% of these cool raspberry pi stuffs, I hope this one comes to India; and is priced reasonably. I envy you guys lol. Couldn't even get the HAT with 4 SATA slots. I need this one pleaseeeee... :(
I am glad I found this channel. I am trying to built a SC prime xa miner at home with enterprise grade hard drives, I will really appreciate if you can make a video on it.
Out of curiosity I tested my 4K read performance on my 2 TB S11 Pro. I got 640 MB/s (156 KIOPS). I think the PiBox is best suited for traditional hard drives.
Stick a couple of SD card slots on it to backup the SD cards instantly, then they have a massive market. This could be used to digest all photos from the SD card and backup to the cloud as well as the installed SSD drives.
That's not a bad idea-there are some field boxes that are made for quickly backing up SD cards from cameras, something like this could bring down the price a bit, if you're willing to relax some requirements like being quite as shock proof or moisture resistant.
Very neat! One gripe that's not aimed specifically at this device: What exactly is wrong with barrel power connectors? I have no issue with USB C in it's proper place but the connector isn't robust enough for long-term use as a power socket and certainly doesn't make a strong enough connection to trust it won't get accidentally unplugged or ripped from it's PCB- really, really important for applications such as this.
barrel connectors aren't standardized on the power delivery side, they don't have a way of negotiating how much power to send like USB does so you can use usb c in both high power to lower power situations without having to change the expensive part the power bricks. usb c is way better, so sick of the floor warts that were barrel chargers
This is a really cool looking SSD NAS. Do you know if the 5TB Seagate 2.5 inch BarraCuda drives would fit (15mm thick)? Also it would be cool to see an implementation of Kubernetes Longhorn with this as it provides native scale out storage to K8s without needing raid/zfs + glusterfs (should work single node or multiple nodes).
That is actually a PCIe connector but not a PCIe connection. I saw videos of people trying to connect raiser cards to the USB 3.0 port but that is just a USB 3.0 cable that transports PCIe data. USB 3.0, HDMI, DP etc are all data cables and can be used for other applications.
would really like to see a follow up to this videoPLEASE!,as many of previous solutions like this have never performed to high enough of a standard to stand up to the day to day demands,really hope this is the one that can.
as much as i like this project, i hope they can go 3.5 inch. currently i think almost all 2.5 inch hdds on the market are SMR drives, which isn't that great for file server. This is however totally fine for those who have deep pockets for large sata ssds.
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Props for the “Great Scott” t-shirt.
Was about to type the same xD
Ditto. :D
I did shop at the Great Scott! Grocery stores
Yeah, that is cool!
Great mutual community 👨🔧
This is an absolutely perfect product for my situation, i need to make a little nas for my parents to use in their house, hope i can get one of these and just set it up in their basement and leave it for forever.
That's exactly the use case I have for it - stick one at my parents house for a slow off-site backup location.
@@JeffGeerling 2x $800 ssd's cheap? Its an interesting product if space is a huge concern, but for the $/TB i'd prob go with something else for a NAS.
It is a perfect raspberry pi project, except the price. Check the Odroid HC4 if you are interested in DIY NAS but in a more decent price.
@@spencer5051 I would assume the 8tb SSDs are merely just for this video and more than likely he swapped it out for something else when he actually deployed it
I use a normal RPi4 with external USB3 disks. Works well and are available now for anyone who has the RPi. It's the RPi that is hard to find with all electronics shortages.
14:50, in this case RAID stands for Redundant Array of Insanely expensive Disks
Haha see some people say it stands for "Inexpensive" but I use "Independent" because not all RAIDs use cheap drives!
@@JeffGeerling Well, the original name in fact used "Inexpensive" for the I in RAID, but later (reference to a book released in 2002) the advisory board replaced it with "Independent", probably because that makes more sense than the former. :D
Inexpensive because it intends small stand-alone disks and not the really, really expensive server disks (disk packs) looking like a big washing machine.
And just about all disks are inexpensive now, when looking at media price. No longer $1000 for a few MB of storage.
@@perwestermark8920 You saved me from writing that Per.
One place I worked at had to agonise over the expense of one of those "washing machine" sized drives, a 60MB example.
Later I laid out the computer room and supervised the installation of a new mainframe that had two strings of such drives, one was 8X100MB, the other 4X200MB, but addressed the same as the first. Mainframe Operating Systems had serious limitations, needed a team to support them, but were reliable.
Even the 8" SCSI drives that came out later were far from inexpensive, just less expensive. To me a 4TB SATA SSD is far beyond amazing, and the M.2 PCIe SSDs are cheap for what you get.
@@John.0z My first own drive was about $1000 for 42MB MFM drive. Then $1500 for 320MB ESDI drive. $1000 for 1.3GB SCSI. $2000 for 5GB SCSI. Given the capacity increases and inflation, todays SSD and HDD feels like they are almost "for free". I can lose 1TB in a corner somewhere and probably not notice the missed storage capacity from that extra (and forgotten) disk image.
I love your honesty and capability to point out defect and drawbacks nicely I mean without making anyone feel or look bad! Great job! Keep it up Sir!
Great shirt btw. just love it when all your favorite edutubers are part of the same multiverse!
The bestiverse!
@@JeffGeerling which, in turn, is an 8-bit Guy reference?
@@hawaiianryan1890 Ha!
I'm glad to see you didn't cover the air vent! I never would have noticed it if you didn't talk about it in your CO2 concentration video. The value you provide to the community with your brain, when it's working, is exceptional. The visual value of the vent cover to the community doesn't seem like a good trade.
I see it's still hanging up. I think you should dispose of it. Or, at the very least, attach it with some stand-offs so you still get air.
Keep up the good work, and stay well.
I am happy to see he didn't use the vent cover either when he made this video.
At 6:09, where you show a closeup of the sata chip, if you look at the pads on the chip you can see a solder bridge on two of the pins. This might be intentional or it might be the source of the second sata port failure. Worth investigating as it might be a quick fix to remove the excess solder from the pins. That chip looks like it has way too much solder on it. Good luck with your build. Pre Production boards are always fun. Their like a box of chocolates, you never know what you'll get.
Those two pins shorten are the RX differential pair of the second SATA channel of the ASM1061 chip. If the developers deliver their products to public in the state like that, that tells a lot of what's going on behind the scene.
I didn't get what the developers of this setup are going to achieve especially when ODROID HC4 has been around for 2 years already. HC4 is a high quality piece of gear that has everything on board right out of the box.
I did notice that bridge immediately and wondered if intentional.
Also got me one old odroid hc2 with omv and it still rocks.
24 SRXP_A DiI SATA Receive Signal + for Port A
23 SRXN_A DiI SATA Receive Signal - for Port A
I don't think those should be bridged...
@@MSM5500 How do you screw that up? wow...
This. Was about to comment it as I noticed immediately that is probably an issue.
I’m definitely interested. Going to set this up when out of prototype phase. Great videos. I many not be a computer professional, but I do home setups, networks, etc. as a hobbyist. Rebuilt cars and worked construction as a kid. Now, I no longer want to spend time and effort on the garage floor at 20F in the winter, plus the money. This has been more practical in today’s lifestyle.
Thanks for the video. The fact that this device is so attractive reflects that, for all the positives, the lack of a pci pinout (or better a sata port) on the original pi 4 is a fairly big negative.
Great Scott! What a great channel, great to see you support and follow him!
There are few things serious missing: 1) metal extrusion case, 2) power toggle and reset switch, 3) RTC battery, 4) easy way to hookup multiple units into common power supply, or PoE out of the box.
That insane amount of info came directly out of Jeff's mouth, not from a prompter...legit content!
I need to start my own gofundme page to buy my first compute module. There are just too many cool projects that are possible like this one.
I'll contribute a few bucks!
It suprises me no one does a backbone for mounting lots of vertical compute modules, with no need for power, ethernet because that's all on the backbone. Inbuilt KVM also interesting.
its much larger but blade solutions typically work this way....
I've had that on a backburner for some time now. Each card in this "blade" would contain either one CM4 plus NVMe slot or four CM4 plus 5port switch; the backplane would be connected via PCIe slot (just using the connector, not actual PCIe pinout) to connect power and UART for KVM; the backplane would have another 8 or 16 port switch to contain 8 or 16 of these sub-cards. And then some ESP32 or something similar with ethernet for the UARTs terminating and some web-UART-HTML5 thingy. I would love to build it but don't have time for it right now
we're talking (if 16 ports on the backplane + 5 ports on each sub-card) upto 4*15 = 60 CM4 = 240 ARM64 cores :) would get quite expensive, plus would love to put there dual-PSU or some UPS support as the backplane would supply 12V (because high currents) and each sub-card would switch down to 5V. I've spent some time thinking about this but ... maybe in November or December :)
Turing Pi 2 is not enough?
@@adameichler nope, in my case i wanted to go 1U route :)
Just what I was literally looking for the other day as I pondered what to do with a couple spare SSD’s I had lying around that were swapped out for bigger drives… they still work fine so now they will get a new life! Thanks!
This sounds awesome! Too bad my NAS requirements are for full sized drives.
same here id much rather use some cheap WD 3.5" disks sata SSDs belong in my pc for steam use lel
Check out pibox.io - longer term they plan on making a 5-bay 3.5" version, and maybe even a 2-bay 3.5" version depending on what people want.
@@JeffGeerling 5 bay x 3.5 with raspberry pi and glusterfs video PLEASE
Did you mean full (room) size storage? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_1400_series
@@saulo2264 glusterfs is a cluster filesystem, (i.e. for a multi-node SAN) why are you using it in a single NAS
Sadly the speed is not any better than you would get just adding some external USB3 storage to a regular pi4 in cheap USB3->sata cases.
but it's more reliable/stable since you don't rely on a (cheap) usb-chip
I've already ordered the PiKVM and this, too, looks pretty interesting.
Olimex LIME2 A20 is the less powerful but more open source alternative available in Europe. It has native Gigabit Ethernet, SATA, full HDMI, and a battery controller, among other things, and support for Allwinner A20 in mainline kernel is almost complete.
Do the PiKVM and NAS in this video have support for PoE?
@@chrismorrison5301 Why would they? PiKVM connects directly to the server so it should use the server's power source. PiNAS should sit directly next to the router or switch. Neither is the kind of device you want to place far away and avoid running separate power to.
@@chrismorrison5301 I'm pretty sure that running PoE with any Pi requires a separate adapter or a HAT. Adapters are cheap.
@@p_serdiuk I thought he said in one of the videos that one does.
The KVM is going to be hooked up to my home desktop and right now the only feasible place for a NAS is connected to my PoE switch where I would rather use PoE because my plug situation isn't great.
@@p_serdiuk Yes, however some HAT's that do other stuff can come with PoE built in
I was starting to look for Pi RAID/NAS/dev server/backup solutions and this looks perfect! It could even host my private Git server. 😄
A "Great Scott!" T-shirt! That's also a channel that it's really good!
When you said "if you have to ask..." regarding the price of the SSDs, I had to go look it up. As I suspected. Just under $700. That number range, relating to storage, brought me to a startling realization. My first-ever hard disk on a computer was on my Amiga 500... an 80MB Quantum SCSI drive connected via a TrumpCard 500. That setup was not cheap, and cost over $700 in 1991... fast forward 31 years later, adjust for inflation, and that kind of purchasing power (roughly $1500-1600 depending on how much over $700 it was; I forget) can now buy not one (which would be by itself, 100,000 times the capacity and probably 250-500 times as fast) but *two* Samsung 870 QVO 8TB drives, and possibly the rest of what you see here.
Sorry, late to the party here, and likely SOMEONE in the current 584 comments already said this, but i would be remiss in my duties as a avid nerd, maker, and [relatively] new Pi enthusiast (even managed to get my fingers on a Zero 2 W with now has the horsepower to run the HDR variant of Hyperion!! Ambilight what?? Pfffft! LOL) if i didnt both ask why they didnt use 10 cent threaded inserts, and if you had pushed that info along to Kubesail??
Thank you for ALL the knowledge you have given this community!
Your channel RAPIDLY became my go-to resource for all things Pi for good reason!!
Cheers!!
Wow, I noticed the solder bridge at it’s first appearance and thought “well, that must be intentional I guess” 😂
Great video, seems like a fitting solution for me and my NAS. 👍
whoda thunk, the guy who wrote all them ansible roles I use at work is also a great scott fan. I might have to take the plunge on one of these pi things, just to get some decent storage capacity for my plex server.
It's really cool. While I'm sure there are a lot of potential uses for it, I'd be much more interested in a Pi based NAS that uses NVME. I'm phasing out all of my HDDs in favor of SSDs, and I'm getting to the point where I'm phasing out my SATA SSDs for NVME (whether internal on the motherboard or a card or external via USB enclosure). At some point, I'm going to have a lot of smaller NVME drives with a lot of life still in them that were just replaced with larger versions, and I might want to put them individually into Pi NAS devices or set up as a RAID with a Gigabit ethernet port - probably as a media server, so the data will be largely write-once, read many.
obviously some corp needs to send him an under desk doored rack & lots of trays asap ^_~
I want one of these with a burning passion, and I've never used a Pi, and have only just started toying with the idea of a NAS
I can gladly say that my burning passion will soon be satisfied, getting a PiBox for Christmas! Wooo
It's a neat little NAS box, and as a 3D Printing nerd I'd point out that you certainly don't have to run screws into the plastic at all! I use Thermally press-fit inserts a lot, and those provide a secure, repeatable, interface for bolts & screws. Obviously they sent you one already messed up, but If it's a case you imagine taking apart repeatedly, they work great.
Pin12 of U3 is suspicious, 23 and 24 too. I bet, removing the solder bridge between 23 and 24 solves the problem.
Had the same thought! :D 06:08
I saw the same thing. There is a strange solder bridge between pins. Its very clear at the image.
I looked up the price for the Evo 870 8tb SSD and...lol your shirt says it all....Awesome video!
21:12 I wait every time to hear that (" Until next I'm Jeff...) and, please keep it away from Redshirt 🙃
I would love to see some fun stylized cases for this kind of thing. An actual cube shaped setup that looks like a Jedi Holocron would be so cool!
3D printing to the rescue
Great review. It looks promising, and the 5 drive version sounds perfect for a low power NAS! Now if only we could get some TrueNAS Core support...
This would be nice.
Great Scott!
Great channel.
Great comment!
@@JeffGeerling Great reply!
The German gang appreciates you both
@@MarcoGPUtuber Great Thread!
I like that "powe" light. It's like "Powe! 🤜💥"
After the release of CM4 you really got a lot into the Pi
There's just so much more fun things to explore with it; more fun than doing it on a boring old PC, at least.
JEFF SALUDOS DE ARGENTINA SOY UN HOMBRE DE 62 Y ME GUSTA MUCHO TU PROGRAMA. EXITOS EN TODO, FAMILIA, TRABAJO Y ESTUDIO Y PROFESION TE MIRO DESDE UNA TABLET QUE TIRARO A LA BASURA AQUI NO SE PUEDE COMPRAR CELULAR NI COMPUTADORA SON MUY CARAS Y COSTOSAS .SALUDOS EXITOS JEFF
Specs are NEVER boring.
I'm in, been waiting for something like this
This design almost matches the idea I have for a pi nas (that I lack funding and knowledge for). I would rather they put the pcie slot and display connection on the carrier board. Then just create a daughter board as a sata back-plane that connects to pcie slot, this would allow them to create new back-planes for 3+ 2.5 drives or 2+ 3.5 drives when supply becomes available.
Would be a pretty neat one to use as a mini dev server
This is the future of personal computing, I can see a world where people have tons of little Kubernetes clusters and the OS is hosted as a microservice.
_Eh..._ maybe people need to be introduced with Pis in their daily life first before we go that far. Think washing and drying machines, dishwashers, treadmills, all kinds of personal use electronic appliances. Then people who _may_ be interested in that can use spare Pis to make it happen.
Too many people are not exposed enough to this idea and are too narrow-minded about it at the moment for that to become true.
@@bluephreakr It wouldn't be PI's specifically, it would be some kinda pretty all in one package from a huge corporation with simplified instructions and by then it would be as standard as setting up a smartphone, I'm talking 30 maybe 60 years down the road. Currently there are distributed operating systems such as XtreemOS, Grid OS, vStar OS, and Megha OS just to name a few. These are able to fully run Linux applications (and some can also run windows applications) on a micro-service architecture. I've been playing around with XtreemOS at my house for a few months now and It's nice to have a power house available at any crappy laptop. But I suppose you are right if there isn't a market for it, it might as well be a pipe dream. :/
@@To-mos I never said it's impossible. But, it might be _impractical_ for most who consider the C drive as the entirety of their hard disk (far from the truth) and people using their PCs as an Internet appliance. It can happen, but you'll be old before it's realized.
AWESOME video! Looks like a great kit, cant wait till Raspberry Pi's are back in stock, somehow, somewhere :)
I'm super excited for it! It's fun the things you learn when you watch the whole video. :) Thanks agin!
Jeff, 3D printing is not the problem, the design is. If designed correctly you can add threaded metal inserts on the 3D printed parts quite easily, and the inserts are quite cheap (about 4 cents each, even less buying in bulk).
Superb video. 👍 I didn't know about VL805 usb controller on RPi4's pci bus. 3:43. Also I didn't know about sata storage controller ASM1061 tradeoff ( . . . or in the alternative if a desire for both, then the need for a PCI switching chip). It makes sense as one contemplates a line between sbc/iot and desktop platforms. Thank you.
Those screws that are partly stripped, there may be a way to fix that and still be able to remove them if needed. When a hole in wood is stripped some people stick small bits of wood in the hole to make it tight again. It is not the strongest repair but I have a feeling it would do more than good enough for that. One other thing that may be done is use a thicker screw. Of course the head on it may be bigger (and uglier) unless you know of a specialty fastener store that has them still with the same size head (maybe same color). Some screws even tap their own threads. I wonder if later revisions of that would have brass inserts, that would seem to be the best solution to the problem over all.
didn't know you're a great scott! fan. nice!
Great channel, many fun projects.
Loving that GreatScott! shirt
I learn so much from your videos. I'm such a newb but I think I'm ready to start putting a simple piNAS together
One of the best t-shirt ever !
Love the shirt Jeff! Didn't know he sold them.
Yep! And I accidentally ordered two, ordered a small at first for some reason. Luckily I found another person to take that shirt!
It seems the PCIe x4 connector on the back plane *actually conveys PCIe* , but it works in reverse direction: the thing which is put into the slot is the "host" side, while the slot is the "device" side. Even the power flows in that direction! You can follow the traces on the board and compare to the PCIe slot pinout to see if it's true.
Loving the "Great Scott" tshirt 👌
At 6:08 you see the SATA bridge chip, two pins are obviously bridged. I see in the rest of the video one port is indeed not working... Maybe try touching the bridge with a soldering iron, it may be enough to fix it :)
I would like to see mount holes on the case. To mount it somewhere, also rubber stand would be cool. Interesting project i love it.
Your t-shirt won't go un-noticed .
Nicea
Kubesail sound like they are tying to use Kubernetes to implement the FreedomBox, which targeted plug computers in 2010.
I’ve worked on mine for over fifty hours and still have ssd issues as the kubesail stuff doesn’t show the ssd’s but I can access them through pios…. Emailing issues gets me nowhere. Kind of bummed over this being such a big deal. Pissed really…
6:08 on the IC; is that a solder bridge on pin 23 and 24?
never mind, you discovered it already (20:19)
You know I went through the *whole* process of making this video before noticing that. Retouching that pin made it work. #prototypeproblems
i did also see that and it looks like its the Sata data lines that are bridged
@@expansiongames better that than bridging data and 12v
Yeah I saw that bridged solder joint early in the video and was doubtful it was going to work. Their QC needs to take a hard look at this video and the work they are putting out even for PoC and demo units.
My life is complete. I can die happy now.
This might just be what I was looking for!
Today on" More shit you cant get ahold of ."
Now Jeff you have peaked my interest...
It is hard to have decided to stop participating in crowdfunded project and encountered a video like that, I see it as already reach it's goal, I hope that you will do a review again upon release to help remind me looking about ordering one!
Thank you for sharing your opinion about this nice box :)
You're welcome! And I'm not too surprised the crowdfunding goal has been met, there are a lot of people like me who like the idea of a tiny, quiet NAS.
I have a lot of faith they'll get the Kickstarter goals met, especially for the models that don't ship with a CM4, since that's the one part of the puzzle that's practically 'unobtanium' for most places right now :(
just a hint. two of the pins on the sata controll chip are shorted. hope this helps. :)
and this will shurely be the problem with the one sata port not working.
I love the GreatScoott T shart❤️
One would think that a vendor would seriously test out any evaluation device before they send it out to TH-cam reviewers. If they are sloppy about that, what about what they send out to the rest of us?
Also, you'd think they would proofread the "Powe" label.
The case is clearly 3D-printed, and the drives are mounted at a funny angle. Not impressed with the quality control.
Wow, $2K Canadian for 16TB SSD.
Nice setup Jeff 👍🏼
6K in my country. Like Jeff said, if you have to ask, it's too much
cant wait too see similar designs w/ risc V
haha...just noticed your shirt and haha his intro playes in my head :D greetings. you're amazing! may π be with you ;)
6:09 You can see why your drive likely isn't working, what looks to be a differential pair is shorted together at the corner of the IC!
Was instantly searching the comments, if someone also noticed, when he mentioned one port isn't working.
yep, that was the issue
I see you are wearing a Great Scott T-shirt. I watch him too!
Great channel!
This is so sick... first time I am actually considering buying something ugh
Older Sata Chip on a Proto Board? Whew...
Glad it wasn't RSJ installing SSDs with a hammer.
RSJ is not allowed to know the whereabouts of these 8TB SSDs.
Well, unlike almost 99% of these cool raspberry pi stuffs, I hope this one comes to India; and is priced reasonably. I envy you guys lol. Couldn't even get the HAT with 4 SATA slots. I need this one pleaseeeee... :(
$1699.99 for 2 drives. what a bargain
Thank you for another interesting and informative video. Keep up the good work!
Best raspberry ambassador
Finally small NAS on Pi
Worth it already for the extra CM4 board :D
6:11 did you try to remove the solder bridge on the sata chip ? it does not look like it belongs here.
I am glad I found this channel. I am trying to built a SC prime xa miner at home with enterprise grade hard drives, I will really appreciate if you can make a video on it.
Wow this is like exactly what I was looking for!
Out of curiosity I tested my 4K read performance on my 2 TB S11 Pro. I got 640 MB/s (156 KIOPS). I think the PiBox is best suited for traditional hard drives.
Pretty cool PiBox..
Thanks for sharing! 👍
Stick a couple of SD card slots on it to backup the SD cards instantly, then they have a massive market. This could be used to digest all photos from the SD card and backup to the cloud as well as the installed SSD drives.
That's not a bad idea-there are some field boxes that are made for quickly backing up SD cards from cameras, something like this could bring down the price a bit, if you're willing to relax some requirements like being quite as shock proof or moisture resistant.
Can't stop seeing pile of CM4 boards.....
I placed a bunch of day one orders last year from a number of suppliers... the last of those orders finally made it this summer!
Fantastic! Thank You
Very neat!
One gripe that's not aimed specifically at this device: What exactly is wrong with barrel power connectors? I have no issue with USB C in it's proper place but the connector isn't robust enough for long-term use as a power socket and certainly doesn't make a strong enough connection to trust it won't get accidentally unplugged or ripped from it's PCB- really, really important for applications such as this.
barrel connectors aren't standardized on the power delivery side, they don't have a way of negotiating how much power to send like USB does so you can use usb c in both high power to lower power situations without having to change the expensive part the power bricks. usb c is way better, so sick of the floor warts that were barrel chargers
Don't know if it's the problem, but I spotted bridged pins on the SATA controller chip
Edit:I see you already spotted it
now we just need a compatible rack mount that can go on a server rack for like 8 of these
Jeff, thanks for the great work you do! It would be nice if you could make a video about PCIe 4.0+ on ARM.
This is a really cool looking SSD NAS. Do you know if the 5TB Seagate 2.5 inch BarraCuda drives would fit (15mm thick)? Also it would be cool to see an implementation of Kubernetes Longhorn with this as it provides native scale out storage to K8s without needing raid/zfs + glusterfs (should work single node or multiple nodes).
*Physically* they might fit, but the air gap might be a bit tight. The 'official' case design is only made to support 9.5mm drives.
more amazing tech we cant use due to the lack of CM4's :(
That is actually a PCIe connector but not a PCIe connection. I saw videos of people trying to connect raiser cards to the USB 3.0 port but that is just a USB 3.0 cable that transports PCIe data. USB 3.0, HDMI, DP etc are all data cables and can be used for other applications.
the low weight and low power consumption makes it perfect for caravaning !
would really like to see a follow up to this videoPLEASE!,as many of previous solutions like this have never performed to high enough of a standard to stand up to the day to day demands,really hope this is the one that can.
as much as i like this project, i hope they can go 3.5 inch. currently i think almost all 2.5 inch hdds on the market are SMR drives, which isn't that great for file server. This is however totally fine for those who have deep pockets for large sata ssds.