A leader is a river to his soldiers. When I was in the Army, lots of leaders wanted to get rid of problem troops. If you can't lead the bad soldiers and get the best out of them, then you don't deserve the good soldiers. Mal knew that. Jayne is part of Mal's crew and he is going to earn it.
33:54 Remember that it wasn’t just about money. River slashed Jayne with a knife at the start of the episode. That was finally enough for Jayne. He wanted them off the ship for good and figured he’d make money at the same time.
@@davidbragdon7069I think in some way he thought he was helping Mal out because of the danger River and Simon’s presence presented to the crew. That’s why he didn’t think he betrayed him.
Mal talked to Simon in private. Jayne didn't know that, he thought Mal just ignored his concerns. Jayne figured to get paid and get rid of a danger to the crew. It wasn't just the money - River had cut his chest! (But not too deeply, because she was actually attacking his shirt...) Simon isn't rich, he's broke. He used up all his personal funds getting River away from the Alliance, and as a wanted fugitive, anything he might have had left in bank accounts etc would have been either frozen or seized by the Alliance government. River's dialogue makes sense in the context of what was happening. Copper for a kiss: Jayne is Judas (biblical reference), a betrayer. They took Christmas away: Jayne didn't get his presents. Etc. The red flashes in the brain image was River waking up, and apparently registering Jayne's thoughts or recent memories... Jayne was going to die. But Jayne actually showed remorse. He accepted that he was going to die - he isn't a coward, and he understood, finally, that the Tams WERE part of Mal's crew, not just passengers. He didn't want his legacy to be that of a traitor, so his "last request" was for the others not to know what he did. Mal also considers Jayne part of his crew. He had to teach Jayne a lesson - if Jayne couldn't learn that lesson, then as he said, Jayne has no place there. He was about to walk away and let Jayne die, but by Jayne's last request, he knew Jayne was salvageable. That was Jayne's one and only reprieve - if he screws up again, he is a dead man, and he knows it. Mal's leaving him to think long and hard about what just happened. Mal once said to to Simon, "If I ever kill you, you'll be awake, you'll be facing me, and you'll be armed." But in this case, he would violate that code, because Jayne was basically facing an execution. Mal was angry, but doing his job as Captain. Jayne admitted his guilt, stopped trying to make excuses, and accepted his fate; the fact that he showed remorse and was ready to die, and was making a last request - as those condemned to die are often given - is what earned him a stay of execution. That's his one and only chance, screw up again and he's dead. Nine down, five to go, plus the movie. And bloopers/gag reels....
I'd add that this isn't the first time we've seen Mal test the mettle of his crew when he wasn't sure of them. His "prank" on the Doctor claiming Kaylee had died seems like a cruel joke passed off with a shared moment of everyone laughing. But he also got to see if Simon would do - rush to his patient or fear for him and his sister. That Simon immediately rushed to check on Kaylee told Mal that this was a doctor the crew could trust with their lives. Someone worth extending an invitation to.
Mal only decided to give Jayne a second chance when he showed that he was ashamed of what he did by asking Mal not to tell the others. I do believe if Jayne hadn’t done that Mal would have let him die.
I thought Jayne delivering the medical line unnecessarily was hilarious. He put in all that work to memorize it, he wasn’t going to let it go to waste😂
I love that we get that brief moment where we see Simon so completely in his element, saving a life while making it seem almost effortless. It further demonstrates how much he gave up for River, leaving behind a life where he fit in, was the best of the best, and and he never fumbled around trying to figure out what to say.
The plot twist Josh never got to show about the Shirt Jane was wherein and the Labels River was tearing off the food was that they were all from "Blue Sun" the same company that was funding the experimenting on her and others.
Jayne wasn't solely acting based on money, he always thought Simon and River's presence put them all in danger from the Alliance and after she attacked him he also didn't feel safe on the ship. That drove him to that action when Mal wasn't responding to his feelings. Obviously still a betrayal for money, as we've seen that he's capable of (that's even how he joined Mal to begin with) but a bit more nuanced. As for why Mal spared him, I think it was due to Jayne's words at the end. He was resigned to dying and his only wish then was that the others wouldn't learn about his betrayal, which shows that he actually does care about the rest of the crew. That saved him as I see it.
I agree with every word of this. Jayne wasn't just going for the payday... he was also protecting the rest of the crew and himself from a very real danger.
Mal knew, as shown in the previous episode, that Jayne would turn on his leader for money. As you have seen in other episodes too, Mal does not trust Jayne. So the questions becomes, why would Mal keep Jayne on? Answer, because he is one of his crew. Jayne showed genuine contrition when Jayne asked Mal to make something up about his death. Mal took that as Jayne finally understanding where Mal is coming from - that Mal treats Jayne the same way as any of his crew. Mal is smart. He was smart enough to figure out what Jayne did and smart enough to figure out that Jayne truly repented at the end.
River's brain lit up at the end of the scan instantly after Jayne started lying and attempting to get them caught by the feds. She figured out Jayne betrayed them instantly
This is my favorite episode. One neat thing I never noticed until recently; Simon's mercy inadvertently saved Jayne's life. When they were fighting off the feds, Jayne snapped his opponent's neck, but Simon only pressed on his opponent's chest until he passed out. Later, Jayne is about to turn around and try to fight his way out, but instead, the Blue Hands find the guy Simon left alive, and kill him with their little device thing. His death screams are what made Jayne change his mind about turning back. If Simon had killed that guy, then the Blue Hands wouldn't have had the chance, Jayne hears no screams, and would have walked right into them. I think that's a really interesting narrative choice, given Jayne's betrayal.
Just not from Jayne's perspective (What're you taking it so personal for? It's not like I ratted YOU out to the Feds!), at least not until Mal spelled it out for him (You turn on any of my crew, you turn on me. You did it to ME Jayne, & that's a fact. But since that's a concept you can't seem to get you're head around, you got no place here.). ❤🧡💛💚💙💜
There's more to Jayne's betrayal than *just* money; there's a reason Jayne is so focused on profit, as we'll find out in Episode 12, "The Message." Jayne is easy to hate, because of his violent tendencies and his unwavering focus on profit, but real people have multiple facets to their personalities. We have back stories. We picked up our beliefs and priorities growing up. And we're capable of growth. The characters in _Firefly_ follow that pattern as well. There is *no one* on the crew of the Serenity who is one-dimensional, not even Jayne.
"Out of the blue" very ironic as River was cutting the logo from "Blue Sun" on Jayne's shirt not Jayne. That was the corporation that experimented on her. Much love and keep on keepin on J.
Jayne asking Mal to tell the others to make something up about why he was going to be dead meant that Jayne actually cared about what the rest of the crew thought of him and that's something Mal can work with to make Jayne a better member of the crew. Jayne is a selfish prick, but not irredeemably so. A bit dimwitted, but also loyal to people he respects, like Mal. That loyalty to Mal does extend to the rest of the crew, but he _severely_ misunderstood the dynamic around Simon and River. He's still been thinking of them as passengers rather than crew. He understands better now.
Mei Mei is chinese for little sister, which Simon calls River several times during the season. Just a little information to help you understand some of it. I do agree with you, I would have dumped Jayne. Mal felt he was truly sorry when he told him to make up a story about what he did instead of telling them the truth. Very cool reaction .
yes.. .that was my take on it as well...that Mal, when Jayne said to make up a story and not tell them the truth, believed Jayne was truly sorry and ashamed of what he did so he spared his life!
To a native English speaker, at 29:45, Mal says his line with a very strong sarcastic tone that reveals he knows Jayne is the traitor. FYI, but it's ok to not catch that subtle acting.
Simon is confident because Ariel and the hospital is his world. I always expected Jayne to betray Mal (pilot and Out of Gas), but I expected during season 2. The final scene between Mal and Jayne was one of my favorite scenes.
Джейн не предавал Мэла, он был уверен, что его поступок Мела никак не задевает о чём он сам говорит вполне ясно и чётко. И Мэл это тоже понимает о чём говорит его ответ. И в Out of Gas Джейн сменил сторону не потому что ему предложили больше и отдельную койку, а потому что его самого обманывали говоря что семь процентов это стандарт. Насколько Джейн реально верен Мэлу наглядно показывает следующий эпизод. По-моему она полностью закрывает вопрос лояльности Джейна конкретно капитану Мэлу Рейнольдсу.
Mal is a good man, and Jayne asking to make something up about him indicates that he is ashamed of what he did. that is why he got a second chance, he know it was wrong now.
I love how the roles were reversed when Simon explained his plan to River, as to how they were going to get into the hospital. He, the Doctor, used plain language to explain, while River used medical jargon to show that she understood what he meant.
It also strangely made her terror the more palpable because it showed that she completely understood what was supposed to happen, but was terrified nevertheless.
Great reaction. Conflict makes for great stories, so the loveable crew couldn't all be "nice" all the time. That would also have made the main character, Mal, appear too mean-spirited and bitter in comparison. No spoilers but if the show had continued that conflict among the crew may have also cropped up a lot.
This episode contains a clue to something that the show never got around to resolving, because it was cut short. River wasn't actually attacking Jayne; she was attacking his shirt. Which had the same logo on it as the food labels that she was destroying in an earlier episode.
Mal was ready to kill Jayne by sending him out the air lock. The only reason he spared him was because Jayne was ashamed of and showed true remorse for what he did by begging Mal not to let Simon and River know of his involvement. They already knew, but Jayne didn't know that. Mal did know it and used it as one final opportunity for Jayne to choose the high road and show the honor and integrity required of every member of Firefly's crew.
Simon doesn't know. But when River was on the examination table, when Jayne spoke several areas of her brain lit up and she started talking about Jayne's Christmas being ruined.
@@guanyin19 Simon is clueless, he was genuinely thanking Jayne for getting them out. River is not clueless, just messed up by what was done to her. And Jayne didn't want ANY of the crew to know, it wasn't just about the Tams. But yeah, that remorse, accepting his fate and not wanting to be remembered for being a betrayer, definitely saved him from becoming very dead.
Не Саймону и Ривер, а команде. Команда для Джейна это Зои, Уош и кончено Кейли. Саймон, Ривер, Инара и Бук для Джейна это пассажиры. Про Саймона он это прямо говорит в Janetown. И мнение команды для него действительно важно, но не пассажиров. И Мэл пощадил его потому что ещё раз убедился в том что Джейн верен команде и потому что решил, что сможет убедить Джейна что Саймон И Ривер это тоже часть команды. И тогда его верность будет работать и для них тоже.
I loved your reaction to Mal hitting Jayne with a wrench! Yeah, he needed it. I think, regarding Jayne's fate in this one, that Mal was looking for some sign that Jayne cared about what was right or wrong, and his fellow crew members. If he's someone that's totally out for himself and is just interested in the money, then he'd likely curse Mal and the entire crew, expecting to be dead the next moment. And like what happened with Saffron, it wasn't a good time right then to go back to the planet to drop off an unwanted passenger. And like you, Mal will be looking for additional clues as to that being a good decision or not in the coming days (or episodes).
I also thought it was weird they just let Simon walk up and start treating a patient, but on a rewatch, I realized in the very next scene the guy tells Mal, "You see this badge? It says doctor. It means when I say walk, you walk!" If that's the mentality/hierarchy in that hospital, then anyone dressed as a doctor (like Simon was) could probably walk up to any patient and do anything and no one would say anything or try to stop him.
That is mostly true of hospitals in reality. My father is a retired surgeon, anyone in a white coat is pretty much trusted, people don’t stop and check badges once inside the building.
The way I interpreted it, Mal decided to spare Jane the moment he asked him to make something up about the reason, which means he's ashamed of what he did. That's a valuable lesson, I think because it means he knows it was wrong.
From previous episodes, it is clear that River can either read minds or pick up emotions. But her mental impairment makes it impossible for her to make use of her ability
@@seanmcmurphy4744 impossible to make "reliable" use of her ability. She uses it haphazardly, but sometimes to good effect - in this very episode, she used it to lead them away from the "two by two" guys and to the very door Mal and Zoe were going to.
14:45 This is different. Don't forget that he was the one who was sliced open by River at the beginning of the episode. His betrayal, though not a great move, is understandable.
No excuses but she did slash him across the chest. But if she doesn't then then they don't do the heist . Jane doesn't try and turn them in and Simon doesn't have a chance to see what wrong with river .
There's a surprisingly large number of Firefly fans who seem to really like Jayne. There are some back story considerations that are only ever hinted at during the show which do provide some context to the way Jayne acts, but for me nothing can excuse what he does in this episode. Especially with what we know about what he's done in the past - we know for a fact that he's betrayed at least two previous crews. I can't say I like Jayne. If I ever met him in person I'd want nothing to do with him. But I do really like him as a character on the show - he's interesting, and he sometimes says things that kind of need to be said when no one else would. He's also a little more complex and less despicable than he seems on the surface. And despite what he's done in the past, he does seem to have some loyalty towards Mal and most of the crew. I'm not sure he'd have done what he does in this episode if he'd ever accepted that Simon and River are part of the crew. As far as just ditching Jayne, I'm not sure that's really an option. Jayne knows too much about Mal and Firefly (not to mention Simon and River). I don't know if you could safely just dump him somewhere with no risk that he'd try to make money off of that knowledge, or even just use it to hurt you out of spite.
@@hkpew and Jayne may be the best shot in the crew with a rifle. Having him take out the snipers and take the high ground really mattered against Patience on Whitefall.
There is a theory, that I agree with, that Mal was going to kill Jayne. Until Jayne asked him to lie. That moment is when Mal realized Jayne wanted to be remembered as better than he was. He felt guilt, he knew he did wrong, he accepted he was going to die and rather than beg for his life all he asked was for Mal to lie about why he died. THAT was what spared him Mal seeing he accepted the punishment and only wanting to be remembered as a "decent" person rather than a traitor.
It's not completely UNrealistic that a medication could replace the function of a portion of the brain at least in part. Most of our brain's functions are just chemical anyway, secreting or accepting various chemicals handles basically all of our emotional function and a lot more. He may have found a compound to at least help stabilize her emotions and replace some of the lost function.
Regarding Simon and River, Simon now has a clue that he didn't have before. He may even think he has a diagnosis, but he's mistaken - Simon still doesn't understand River. He still hasn't realized that River isn't just hallucinating; she actually knows things she shouldn't know. If they were in any normal situation, Simon would be the first to say that *he* is the wrong doctor for River; he'd want her getting help from a neurologist, not a surgeon (Simon's specialty), even a brilliant surgeon. Additionally, all doctors know that it's a bad idea to treat members of their own families; it's easy to miss important clues if the doctor is too close to the patient. But Simon and River aren't in a normal situation; there are no other doctors available. Simon is the only doctor River has, and he's doing his best for her, but he's making some serious mistakes. Fortunately, Simon *does* believe in the physician's mantra "First do no harm," so he isn't going to do anything irreversible to River.
About Jayne. He is probably thinking that River might kill him or another crew member the next time she freaks out. Also, if you've ever met someone who had to quit school to support a single or chronically I'll Mother or sibling, they'll do almost anything to aid them, even at the cost of others. Thank you for sharing your reactions, it's a pleasure.
I imagine many of my fellow brown coats will step to defend Jayne. I can do it too, but it's totally OK not to like him. Seen many other reactors feel the same, especially while watching this episode. The show runners obviously thought they'ed have a lot more time to build his story arch (and all the others), and you may not change your mind about him by the end of the show\movie. But I still think he's a very interesting character, and it took me more than one watch of the show to catch all the tiny details about him. Whatever you think of him, or any of the others, keep in mind that you were exposed so far to just under a year of their lives, and none of them are black and white characters (even Kaylee, who's 100% pure sunshine with a smudge of engine grease)
Да, после первых просмотров Джейн почти всегда воспринимается как туповатый громила, который предаст кого угодно ради денег. Наёмник за деньги без принципов и чести. И только посмотрев много раз понимаешь, что в персонаже Джейна есть много крючков которые должны были раскрыться позже. И даже то, что уже есть показывает его намного глубже. Но, в Светлячке большая плотность событий и характеров и при первом просмотре этого не видно и для правильной оценки поступков и мотивов надо иметь информацию, которой при первом просмотре нет..
Inna would be a tougher captain than Mal! 👍 This used to be my favorite episode (Out of Gas is now my favorite); I like how it's described as the Ocean's 11 of the series. And the closing line, "Mei Mei, it's time to wake up", always almost brings a tear to my eye 😢 Great reaction, Captain Inna 👍
I highly recommend watching the River Tam Tapes at some point. Maybe after the series but before the movie. It's a video that can be found on TH-cam and it shows some of River before the academy. It really shows Summer Glau's range.
Thanks for the episode! I understand your opinion on Jayne, and it's nice to hear different than my own. I don't take Jayne and his betrayal VERY seriously, but maybe that's because of what's known as "plot armor." If we really didn't know whether River and Simon were going to be captured permanently - such as in shows like Game of Thrones and maybe The Expanse - I'd feel entirely different about it.
Simon isn't rich. He was, but he spent most of that in effort to rescue River, and since then his assets and accounts have been frozen all across the Allied Planets.
So Jayne is a traitor for wanting to get rid of someone who tried and almost succeeded in killing him. About 3-4 inches higher she would have sliced his carotid artery. Yeah, he's pretty evil for wanting to get even.
Yeah, and remember Mal's speech: "You turn on any of my crew you turn on me." Exactly what River did at the start, yet nobody's chucking her out the airlock. Also, I don't think it was getting even; I think Jayne was trying to protect _his_ crew (which clearly doesn't include the Tams) since Mal wouldn't. Remember how he secretly checked on Kaylee in the pilot? He just chose a stupid plan that he thought would earn him some money too.
Getting even is a bad thing on a crew. If he absolutely couldn't stay on the ship with the Tams, he should have told Mal that...said it to his face. Jayne wasn't smart enough to work a scheme with the Feds...they wouldn't have just caught him with the Tams, they'd have the lead to capture the entire crew.
What stopped Mal from ending Jayne was the fact that Jayne actually cared about what the crew thinks of him, which showed Mal that he did have empathy for the crew.
I see it more that by him accepting his punishment would be to die, instead of complaining about it, like he did before, it means he accepts and agrees that what he did deserved to get him killed. Asking to lie to the others what he did, again shows he now understands it was so bad that he deserves to die. And as you said, it also shows hes genuinly ashamed now of what he did. Mal sees these changes in Jane and decides that Jane now gets "the concept" and therfore Mal cannot leave Jane behind since there is still "place for him on the ship."
"Two by two, hands of blue." And in this episode we find out that The Alliance doesn't just want River back, they want to kill anyone who has even *talked* with River. Why is that, do you suppose? Does even River know why they want her so badly? Does she *remember* whatever it is that they're afraid she'll talk about?
This is exactly the reason why I was so mad at Jayne! By selling River he puts the whole crew in danger! Of course everyone tried to see what was going on when they were late, they all could have been captured and killed so easily by the feds! In my opinion Jayne didn’t betray only River, but the whole crew.
@InnaSoloTV Jayne isn't the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree. His idea of a "solution" tends to be violent and profitable, and he doesn't think much beyond that. I'm not justifying what he did, just putting it in the context of his character. Fortunately, Mal handled it perfectly. He made it extremely obvious to even the dimmest bulb that *any* future betrayal would result in Jayne's death. And, as you will see in a future episode, River and Simon also have ways to deal with Jayne, and for once, Simon is going to listen to River.
О, у Джейна, как ни странно вполне есть моральные принципы и моральный кодекс. Он верен тому, кто его нанимает до тех пор пока с ним честны. Прошлую команду он бросил не потому что ему предложили больший процент и отдельную каюту, а потому что понял, что его командир его обманывает занижая долю и говоря что "семь процентов это стандарт". Но, Ривер и Саймон не его наниматели, он их даже частью команды не считает. Они просто пассажиры, а после удара ножом ещё и опасные пассажиры. Да, он не белый и пушистый, и выбирая между своей жизнью и чужой он конечно выберет свою, как выбрал выкинув напарника по ограблению за борт. Но, в данном случае он был уверен, что никого не предаёт а просто поступает лучше для всех. Для всех, кто имеет значение для Джейна, конечно. Поэтому он искренне не понимает почему Мэл злится, ведь Мэлу он ничего плохого с его точки зрения не сделал. А вот мнение тех, кто для него команда, для Джейна важно, что показало его предсмертное желание. И Мэл это понимает, а после этих слов ещё раз убедился. Мэл закрыл рампу потому что знает, что если он сможет донести, до Джейна, что Ривер и Саймон тоже часть команды, то его верность будет работать и для них.
Seeing the Blue Sun Company Logo upsets River. She saw it on the cans of food and she saw it on Jayne's shirt. She was slashing at the company logo, not Jayne. The doctor in the hospital was an intern. He had just graduated from medical school and is required to work in a hospital under the guidance of real doctors for several years. Any doctor in the hospital can check on an intern anytime and override what that intern is doing. This is standard throughout the world and in the Firefly verse.
Inna, I love going back through these episodes with you. Seeing your first-time reactions to them takes me back to my own first experiences with this show. I've watched this series dozens of times since then, and it never seems to get old. When you've finished your "Firefly" journey and watched the movie, consider exploring the "Reacher" series. It's insanely popular for a reason. If you do, just know that you're going to end up falling in love with characters all over, again. But that's okay... no such thing as "too much" love.
@@ernesthakey3396 Inna! Listen to Ernest, he knows what he's talking about! 😉 (Thanks for backing me up, Ernest. I'd sure love to go through that series again, especially seeing Inna's reactions along the way.)
@@GranpaMike Have you read the Jack Reacher books by Lee Child (a pen name of British author Jim Grant)? As of a couple years ago there were 28 books and apparently a short story collection! I have a lot of the novels, and they don't disappoint!
@@ernesthakey3396 No, sir, I sure haven't. I've heard they were good, and after watching both seasons of the series I might have to get busy with the novels. Thanks for the tip!
Mal isnt "super smart" he just knows Jayne, he is for sale and Mal knows it. He has no illusions about who he has working for him here. The only question unknown was what he would do, Jayne's life was definitely hanging in the balance there
I am not saying Jayne did the right thing, but he kind of has a point. Having Simon and River on board of Serenity creates a big security risk for everyone on the ship. Also, Jayne is not motivated by greed. He wants the money for a specific purpose that you will learn soon.
Mal had only two choices. Kill Jayne or convince him of how close his actions came to causing him to be killed. Jayne has too much information to just put him off the ship and let him walk around. If Jayne hadn't expressed that he didn't want to be remembered as a traitor to the others Mal would have gone ahead and killed him.
14:35 It's always weird how people miss "being slashed with a knife across the chest and no one cares" as a motivation a few minutes after thwy saw it. 16:40 act with confidence and look like you belong. then no one really questions it. Especially if you actually can do it. (And if a doctor is interrupting you while your patient dies, you're probably happy for teh scapegoat)
For me, the biggest question is exactly when Jayne changed his mind. Most assume it was after the fed betrayed him, but I believe it was when he discovered what had been done to River. I don't think he cut the diagnosis time short to attempt to get them arrested, but to attempt to be gone before the feds arrived. After all, if he wanted them arrested, he could have just waited.
You couldn't be more wrong actually but with the information you have now I can sort of see why you are saying that. Others will point out various parts but the thing is that character arcs are one of the most important writing points to keep emotion and tension high... Jayne has the longest redemption arc in the series and the way he is currently is just the beginning of the character growth, suffice to say that he would probably have been a questionable character for the first 2 or 3 seasons only reforming then, but with the show getting cut short that never gets to happen.
Glad to see that high pitch electronic interference every time you talk is gone that was present in Ep. 8. I wasn't able to watch that one. Wish you'd go back and fix it if possible though as it's a great episode and I'd love to see your reaction to it. Oh well, at least I can continue the series with you
🗡🩸🪡When thinking of Jayne's betrayal, remember "He looks better in red!" and all the stitches it took to sew his chest back together? Not defending "the betrayal for cash part", but Jayne had more than enough reason to be "unhappy" with River. Mal let him back in, because Jayne showed him he was actually ashamed of himself. Resigned to his death, he didn't want the crew to know that he tried to f all of them. If Jayne had no remorse, _then_ he would have been irredeemable. 💯⚖This reactor has always been judgmental above the norm. Fun to watch though. Needs more subscribers. (The things you learn about someone's personality, watching them react to media. 🤔👆)
33:10 Popular opinion is that Mal granted Jayne a stay of execution because he was ashamed of what he did. I disagree. Jayne has never cared what people thought of him except for that brief period in Jaynestown. Even then, in the end, he declared that “there’s just people like me”. I don’t accept the idea that Jayne suddenly cared what the crew thought of him as a person. He’s always behaved his own way, never compromising his attitude to be liked. Taking that into account, and the weight of what Mal just said about turning on the crew being like turning on Mal (true loyalty), Jayne appears to have finally got an understanding of being loyal to a group of people rather than just to self or family (without spoiling too much we learn later that Jayne is loyal to his family). His telling Mal not to tell the others what he did is because he realised that it would shake their faith in each other. His actions would shock them all with uncertainty of how much they can trust one another. It wasn’t through shame, it was through a final realisation of camaraderie.
yes, through the filter of shame that he came to that realisation. Humans are not 100% logical, emotion, strong emotion can change your perspective on many things, When your parents die, grief can send you on a different path
@ Maybe through shame, maybe not. We can’t be sure exactly what triggered the final understanding since the change in attitude was not explicitly explained. But my contention is that Mal didn’t save Jayne because he was ashamed or because Jayne didn’t want the crew thinking badly of him. I contend that Mal saved him because Jayne realised the knowledge of his actions would hurt the crew and their faith in each other. It’s probably also for this reason that Book was not scripted into this episode. Book is the only one aside from Mal whose opinion and guidance Jayne will give credit to. He credits Zoe with toughness and her warriors skills, but he doesn’t care what her opinion of him is. The rest of the crew and passengers mean nearly zilch to him. But Book’s viewpoint holds some weight in Jayne’s mind, and they probably had to remove that element from this episode.
Very, very hard to justify NOT making Jayne walk down. He cannot be trusted at all now. Mal failed twice: the first time by leaving the Tam's alone with Jayne when Mal knew he despised them, had a very active grudge against River and had admitted(in ep 1) that he had considered selling them to the Law. but, he prefers to work with Zoe. His second failure was letting his first mistake enable the second: sparing Jayne. At the very least he should have set him down a few days away from civilization and left him there.
People are kind of rude in these comments. English isn’t her first language so if she missed some subtleties, that should be expected. You’re doing just fine kid😊
Letting Jayne die would've made Mal just as bad as him, in my opinion. An accudental death is one thing, but intentionally killing or letting someone die is not a good thing. Nobody deserves a second chance, but it's the heart in us that moves us to give them anyway.
@@kirkdarling4120It doesn't matter. There is no amount of wrongdoing that is not forgiveable. There are laws that say otherwise, but I don't believe all laws are right.
@@ronfehr7899 When you have to prevent future harm to those in your trust, it's not a matter of forgiveness, it's a matter of protecting people in your trust. It's not as though Mal hadn't killed people before.
@kirkdarling4120 Forgiveness is always an option. Jayne learned his lesson and apologized. By letting him live, Mal forgave him. Of course, and earnest apology is required for forgiveness to be possible.
Likewise this is not one of my favorite episodes of the series. This episode is good...which is a bit of a dip from the awesomeness of many other episodes.
It's interesting how fans of a series can agree and differ at the same time. Im certain we would both agree the series is fantastic but were also enjoying different things as I would rate this episode as one of the best, if not THE best. 😁
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Jayne practiced his line, and he wasn't going to let it go to waste.
I thought that was clear, but TH-camrs don't seem to understand that.
And with what he had planned for later, it's a way to prove to himself and the others that he did his part.
A leader is a river to his soldiers. When I was in the Army, lots of leaders wanted to get rid of problem troops. If you can't lead the bad soldiers and get the best out of them, then you don't deserve the good soldiers. Mal knew that. Jayne is part of Mal's crew and he is going to earn it.
33:54
Remember that it wasn’t just about money.
River slashed Jayne with a knife at the start of the episode. That was finally enough for Jayne. He wanted them off the ship for good and figured he’d make money at the same time.
Agreed, the money was just icing on the cake for Jayne. His primary motivation was just getting rid of them.
@@davidbragdon7069I think in some way he thought he was helping Mal out because of the danger River and Simon’s presence presented to the crew. That’s why he didn’t think he betrayed him.
13:05 - Hey, Jayne worked HARD to get that line down! I don't blame him for wanting to make sure he got to actually USE it. 🤣
Mal talked to Simon in private. Jayne didn't know that, he thought Mal just ignored his concerns. Jayne figured to get paid and get rid of a danger to the crew. It wasn't just the money - River had cut his chest! (But not too deeply, because she was actually attacking his shirt...)
Simon isn't rich, he's broke. He used up all his personal funds getting River away from the Alliance, and as a wanted fugitive, anything he might have had left in bank accounts etc would have been either frozen or seized by the Alliance government.
River's dialogue makes sense in the context of what was happening.
Copper for a kiss: Jayne is Judas (biblical reference), a betrayer.
They took Christmas away: Jayne didn't get his presents.
Etc.
The red flashes in the brain image was River waking up, and apparently registering Jayne's thoughts or recent memories...
Jayne was going to die. But Jayne actually showed remorse. He accepted that he was going to die - he isn't a coward, and he understood, finally, that the Tams WERE part of Mal's crew, not just passengers. He didn't want his legacy to be that of a traitor, so his "last request" was for the others not to know what he did.
Mal also considers Jayne part of his crew. He had to teach Jayne a lesson - if Jayne couldn't learn that lesson, then as he said, Jayne has no place there. He was about to walk away and let Jayne die, but by Jayne's last request, he knew Jayne was salvageable. That was Jayne's one and only reprieve - if he screws up again, he is a dead man, and he knows it.
Mal's leaving him to think long and hard about what just happened. Mal once said to to Simon, "If I ever kill you, you'll be awake, you'll be facing me, and you'll be armed." But in this case, he would violate that code, because Jayne was basically facing an execution. Mal was angry, but doing his job as Captain.
Jayne admitted his guilt, stopped trying to make excuses, and accepted his fate; the fact that he showed remorse and was ready to die, and was making a last request - as those condemned to die are often given - is what earned him a stay of execution. That's his one and only chance, screw up again and he's dead.
Nine down, five to go, plus the movie. And bloopers/gag reels....
and the river tam sessions
Also, Mal couldn't just let Jayne go because he would rat out the whole crew to the Feds at any time.
I'd add that this isn't the first time we've seen Mal test the mettle of his crew when he wasn't sure of them. His "prank" on the Doctor claiming Kaylee had died seems like a cruel joke passed off with a shared moment of everyone laughing. But he also got to see if Simon would do - rush to his patient or fear for him and his sister. That Simon immediately rushed to check on Kaylee told Mal that this was a doctor the crew could trust with their lives. Someone worth extending an invitation to.
Excellent write!!!
@@arandomnamegoeshere and it also taught simon a lesson, that even if not intended, big secrets can cause big problems for others, he stays with.....
Mal only decided to give Jayne a second chance when he showed that he was ashamed of what he did by asking Mal not to tell the others. I do believe if Jayne hadn’t done that Mal would have let him die.
I thought Jayne delivering the medical line unnecessarily was hilarious. He put in all that work to memorize it, he wasn’t going to let it go to waste😂
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Mei mei = little sister in Mandarin.
16:46 - I just love River's smile right there. She's *_SO_* proud of Simon!
It wasn't just the money, Jayne was also still pretty salty about getting slashed across the chest.
Not just money, Inna. Did you forget abt the butcher knife or did you think that was just some "wacky fun"? 😎
I love that we get that brief moment where we see Simon so completely in his element, saving a life while making it seem almost effortless. It further demonstrates how much he gave up for River, leaving behind a life where he fit in, was the best of the best, and and he never fumbled around trying to figure out what to say.
But even when arrested, Simon was a much more assertive character than what we normally see. This is his world.
The plot twist Josh never got to show about the Shirt Jane was wherein and the Labels River was tearing off the food was that they were all from "Blue Sun" the same company that was funding the experimenting on her and others.
Jayne wasn't solely acting based on money, he always thought Simon and River's presence put them all in danger from the Alliance and after she attacked him he also didn't feel safe on the ship. That drove him to that action when Mal wasn't responding to his feelings. Obviously still a betrayal for money, as we've seen that he's capable of (that's even how he joined Mal to begin with) but a bit more nuanced.
As for why Mal spared him, I think it was due to Jayne's words at the end. He was resigned to dying and his only wish then was that the others wouldn't learn about his betrayal, which shows that he actually does care about the rest of the crew. That saved him as I see it.
I agree with every word of this. Jayne wasn't just going for the payday... he was also protecting the rest of the crew and himself from a very real danger.
Mal knew, as shown in the previous episode, that Jayne would turn on his leader for money. As you have seen in other episodes too, Mal does not trust Jayne.
So the questions becomes, why would Mal keep Jayne on? Answer, because he is one of his crew. Jayne showed genuine contrition when Jayne asked Mal to make something up about his death. Mal took that as Jayne finally understanding where Mal is coming from - that Mal treats Jayne the same way as any of his crew. Mal is smart. He was smart enough to figure out what Jayne did and smart enough to figure out that Jayne truly repented at the end.
River's brain lit up at the end of the scan instantly after Jayne started lying and attempting to get them caught by the feds.
She figured out Jayne betrayed them instantly
That's the real reason she screamed and became frantic.
When River said they took away Christmas, she was talking about how Jayne was expecting a pay day, but was betrayed by the feds.
She was also reading Jayne's childhood memories.
This is my favorite episode. One neat thing I never noticed until recently; Simon's mercy inadvertently saved Jayne's life. When they were fighting off the feds, Jayne snapped his opponent's neck, but Simon only pressed on his opponent's chest until he passed out. Later, Jayne is about to turn around and try to fight his way out, but instead, the Blue Hands find the guy Simon left alive, and kill him with their little device thing. His death screams are what made Jayne change his mind about turning back. If Simon had killed that guy, then the Blue Hands wouldn't have had the chance, Jayne hears no screams, and would have walked right into them. I think that's a really interesting narrative choice, given Jayne's betrayal.
This is the interesting day Jayne mentioned to Mal, in the first episode.
Just not from Jayne's perspective (What're you taking it so personal for? It's not like I ratted YOU out to the Feds!), at least not until Mal spelled it out for him (You turn on any of my crew, you turn on me. You did it to ME Jayne, & that's a fact. But since that's a concept you can't seem to get you're head around, you got no place here.). ❤🧡💛💚💙💜
There's more to Jayne's betrayal than *just* money; there's a reason Jayne is so focused on profit, as we'll find out in Episode 12, "The Message."
Jayne is easy to hate, because of his violent tendencies and his unwavering focus on profit, but real people have multiple facets to their personalities. We have back stories. We picked up our beliefs and priorities growing up. And we're capable of growth. The characters in _Firefly_ follow that pattern as well. There is *no one* on the crew of the Serenity who is one-dimensional, not even Jayne.
Zoe has the best one-liners. Even the best one-worders.
Nice!
"Out of the blue" very ironic as River was cutting the logo from "Blue Sun" on Jayne's shirt not Jayne. That was the corporation that experimented on her. Much love and keep on keepin on J.
but that is only mentioned in the books and comics, and not in the series....
Also why she was pulling the label off of all the cans of food earlier. They were also from Blue Sun.
@@CarBENbased YES!!!! I adore a real nerd!!!
yeahh.... but still stop spoilers....
there´s time for the loose ends after serenety.....
@@Metzwerg74 I keep the one secret.
Jayne asking Mal to tell the others to make something up about why he was going to be dead meant that Jayne actually cared about what the rest of the crew thought of him and that's something Mal can work with to make Jayne a better member of the crew. Jayne is a selfish prick, but not irredeemably so. A bit dimwitted, but also loyal to people he respects, like Mal. That loyalty to Mal does extend to the rest of the crew, but he _severely_ misunderstood the dynamic around Simon and River. He's still been thinking of them as passengers rather than crew. He understands better now.
Mei Mei is chinese for little sister, which Simon calls River several times during the season. Just a little information to help you understand some of it. I do agree with you, I would have dumped Jayne. Mal felt he was truly sorry when he told him to make up a story about what he did instead of telling them the truth. Very cool reaction .
yes.. .that was my take on it as well...that Mal, when Jayne said to make up a story and not tell them the truth, believed Jayne was truly sorry and ashamed of what he did so he spared his life!
@@ar47yrr4p Cool, thanks for the reply my fellow Browncoat.
To a native English speaker, at 29:45, Mal says his line with a very strong sarcastic tone that reveals he knows Jayne is the traitor. FYI, but it's ok to not catch that subtle acting.
"Ariel": Simon reveals his criminal side, the crew tries to learn "medical lingo," and Inara goes for a checkup.
Simon is confident because Ariel and the hospital is his world.
I always expected Jayne to betray Mal (pilot and Out of Gas), but I expected during season 2.
The final scene between Mal and Jayne was one of my favorite scenes.
Джейн не предавал Мэла, он был уверен, что его поступок Мела никак не задевает о чём он сам говорит вполне ясно и чётко. И Мэл это тоже понимает о чём говорит его ответ. И в Out of Gas Джейн сменил сторону не потому что ему предложили больше и отдельную койку, а потому что его самого обманывали говоря что семь процентов это стандарт. Насколько Джейн реально верен Мэлу наглядно показывает следующий эпизод. По-моему она полностью закрывает вопрос лояльности Джейна конкретно капитану Мэлу Рейнольдсу.
Mal is a good man, and Jayne asking to make something up about him indicates that he is ashamed of what he did. that is why he got a second chance, he know it was wrong now.
I love how the roles were reversed when Simon explained his plan to River, as to how they were going to get into the hospital.
He, the Doctor, used plain language to explain, while River used medical jargon to show that she understood what he meant.
It also strangely made her terror the more palpable because it showed that she completely understood what was supposed to happen, but was terrified nevertheless.
Great reaction. Conflict makes for great stories, so the loveable crew couldn't all be "nice" all the time. That would also have made the main character, Mal, appear too mean-spirited and bitter in comparison. No spoilers but if the show had continued that conflict among the crew may have also cropped up a lot.
I love River's trolling Jayne with the Christmas metaphor.
By aiding and betting Simon and River, Jayne became the third fugitive.
This episode contains a clue to something that the show never got around to resolving, because it was cut short. River wasn't actually attacking Jayne; she was attacking his shirt. Which had the same logo on it as the food labels that she was destroying in an earlier episode.
Mal was ready to kill Jayne by sending him out the air lock. The only reason he spared him was because Jayne was ashamed of and showed true remorse for what he did by begging Mal not to let Simon and River know of his involvement. They already knew, but Jayne didn't know that. Mal did know it and used it as one final opportunity for Jayne to choose the high road and show the honor and integrity required of every member of Firefly's crew.
Simon doesn't know. But when River was on the examination table, when Jayne spoke several areas of her brain lit up and she started talking about Jayne's Christmas being ruined.
@@guanyin19 Simon is clueless, he was genuinely thanking Jayne for getting them out. River is not clueless, just messed up by what was done to her. And Jayne didn't want ANY of the crew to know, it wasn't just about the Tams. But yeah, that remorse, accepting his fate and not wanting to be remembered for being a betrayer, definitely saved him from becoming very dead.
Не Саймону и Ривер, а команде. Команда для Джейна это Зои, Уош и кончено Кейли. Саймон, Ривер, Инара и Бук для Джейна это пассажиры. Про Саймона он это прямо говорит в Janetown. И мнение команды для него действительно важно, но не пассажиров. И Мэл пощадил его потому что ещё раз убедился в том что Джейн верен команде и потому что решил, что сможет убедить Джейна что Саймон И Ривер это тоже часть команды. И тогда его верность будет работать и для них тоже.
I loved your reaction to Mal hitting Jayne with a wrench! Yeah, he needed it. I think, regarding Jayne's fate in this one, that Mal was looking for some sign that Jayne cared about what was right or wrong, and his fellow crew members. If he's someone that's totally out for himself and is just interested in the money, then he'd likely curse Mal and the entire crew, expecting to be dead the next moment. And like what happened with Saffron, it wasn't a good time right then to go back to the planet to drop off an unwanted passenger. And like you, Mal will be looking for additional clues as to that being a good decision or not in the coming days (or episodes).
I also thought it was weird they just let Simon walk up and start treating a patient, but on a rewatch, I realized in the very next scene the guy tells Mal, "You see this badge? It says doctor. It means when I say walk, you walk!" If that's the mentality/hierarchy in that hospital, then anyone dressed as a doctor (like Simon was) could probably walk up to any patient and do anything and no one would say anything or try to stop him.
@@SquiresIsle especially when they are talking the talk and appear to know what they are doing.
That is mostly true of hospitals in reality. My father is a retired surgeon, anyone in a white coat is pretty much trusted, people don’t stop and check badges once inside the building.
The way I interpreted it, Mal decided to spare Jane the moment he asked him to make something up about the reason, which means he's ashamed of what he did. That's a valuable lesson, I think because it means he knows it was wrong.
From previous episodes, it is clear that River can either read minds or pick up emotions. But her mental impairment makes it impossible for her to make use of her ability
@@seanmcmurphy4744 impossible to make "reliable" use of her ability. She uses it haphazardly, but sometimes to good effect - in this very episode, she used it to lead them away from the "two by two" guys and to the very door Mal and Zoe were going to.
@@ernesthakey3396 True
14:45 This is different. Don't forget that he was the one who was sliced open by River at the beginning of the episode. His betrayal, though not a great move, is understandable.
Great reaction, ❤
Every future episode will have me asking you what do you think happens without Jayne.
No excuses but she did slash him across the chest. But if she doesn't then then they don't do the heist . Jane doesn't try and turn them in and Simon doesn't have a chance to see what wrong with river .
There's a surprisingly large number of Firefly fans who seem to really like Jayne. There are some back story considerations that are only ever hinted at during the show which do provide some context to the way Jayne acts, but for me nothing can excuse what he does in this episode. Especially with what we know about what he's done in the past - we know for a fact that he's betrayed at least two previous crews. I can't say I like Jayne. If I ever met him in person I'd want nothing to do with him. But I do really like him as a character on the show - he's interesting, and he sometimes says things that kind of need to be said when no one else would. He's also a little more complex and less despicable than he seems on the surface. And despite what he's done in the past, he does seem to have some loyalty towards Mal and most of the crew. I'm not sure he'd have done what he does in this episode if he'd ever accepted that Simon and River are part of the crew.
As far as just ditching Jayne, I'm not sure that's really an option. Jayne knows too much about Mal and Firefly (not to mention Simon and River). I don't know if you could safely just dump him somewhere with no risk that he'd try to make money off of that knowledge, or even just use it to hurt you out of spite.
@@hkpew and Jayne may be the best shot in the crew with a rifle. Having him take out the snipers and take the high ground really mattered against Patience on Whitefall.
9:40 As in "kicked the bucket", I guess...
There is a theory, that I agree with, that Mal was going to kill Jayne. Until Jayne asked him to lie. That moment is when Mal realized Jayne wanted to be remembered as better than he was. He felt guilt, he knew he did wrong, he accepted he was going to die and rather than beg for his life all he asked was for Mal to lie about why he died. THAT was what spared him Mal seeing he accepted the punishment and only wanting to be remembered as a "decent" person rather than a traitor.
@@canadianicedragon2412 exactly.
It's not completely UNrealistic that a medication could replace the function of a portion of the brain at least in part. Most of our brain's functions are just chemical anyway, secreting or accepting various chemicals handles basically all of our emotional function and a lot more. He may have found a compound to at least help stabilize her emotions and replace some of the lost function.
Regarding Simon and River, Simon now has a clue that he didn't have before. He may even think he has a diagnosis, but he's mistaken - Simon still doesn't understand River. He still hasn't realized that River isn't just hallucinating; she actually knows things she shouldn't know.
If they were in any normal situation, Simon would be the first to say that *he* is the wrong doctor for River; he'd want her getting help from a neurologist, not a surgeon (Simon's specialty), even a brilliant surgeon. Additionally, all doctors know that it's a bad idea to treat members of their own families; it's easy to miss important clues if the doctor is too close to the patient. But Simon and River aren't in a normal situation; there are no other doctors available. Simon is the only doctor River has, and he's doing his best for her, but he's making some serious mistakes.
Fortunately, Simon *does* believe in the physician's mantra "First do no harm," so he isn't going to do anything irreversible to River.
About Jayne. He is probably thinking that River might kill him or another crew member the next time she freaks out. Also, if you've ever met someone who had to quit school to support a single or chronically I'll Mother or sibling, they'll do almost anything to aid them, even at the cost of others. Thank you for sharing your reactions, it's a pleasure.
I imagine many of my fellow brown coats will step to defend Jayne. I can do it too, but it's totally OK not to like him. Seen many other reactors feel the same, especially while watching this episode.
The show runners obviously thought they'ed have a lot more time to build his story arch (and all the others), and you may not change your mind about him by the end of the show\movie. But I still think he's a very interesting character, and it took me more than one watch of the show to catch all the tiny details about him. Whatever you think of him, or any of the others, keep in mind that you were exposed so far to just under a year of their lives, and none of them are black and white characters (even Kaylee, who's 100% pure sunshine with a smudge of engine grease)
Да, после первых просмотров Джейн почти всегда воспринимается как туповатый громила, который предаст кого угодно ради денег. Наёмник за деньги без принципов и чести. И только посмотрев много раз понимаешь, что в персонаже Джейна есть много крючков которые должны были раскрыться позже. И даже то, что уже есть показывает его намного глубже. Но, в Светлячке большая плотность событий и характеров и при первом просмотре этого не видно и для правильной оценки поступков и мотивов надо иметь информацию, которой при первом просмотре нет..
Inna would be a tougher captain than Mal! 👍
This used to be my favorite episode (Out of Gas is now my favorite); I like how it's described as the Ocean's 11 of the series.
And the closing line, "Mei Mei, it's time to wake up", always almost brings a tear to my eye 😢
Great reaction, Captain Inna 👍
I highly recommend watching the River Tam Tapes at some point. Maybe after the series but before the movie. It's a video that can be found on TH-cam and it shows some of River before the academy. It really shows Summer Glau's range.
Thanks for the episode! I understand your opinion on Jayne, and it's nice to hear different than my own. I don't take Jayne and his betrayal VERY seriously, but maybe that's because of what's known as "plot armor." If we really didn't know whether River and Simon were going to be captured permanently - such as in shows like Game of Thrones and maybe The Expanse - I'd feel entirely different about it.
Simon isn't rich. He was, but he spent most of that in effort to rescue River, and since then his assets and accounts have been frozen all across the Allied Planets.
So Jayne is a traitor for wanting to get rid of someone who tried and almost succeeded in killing him. About 3-4 inches higher she would have sliced his carotid artery. Yeah, he's pretty evil for wanting to get even.
Yeah, and remember Mal's speech: "You turn on any of my crew you turn on me." Exactly what River did at the start, yet nobody's chucking her out the airlock. Also, I don't think it was getting even; I think Jayne was trying to protect _his_ crew (which clearly doesn't include the Tams) since Mal wouldn't. Remember how he secretly checked on Kaylee in the pilot? He just chose a stupid plan that he thought would earn him some money too.
Getting even is a bad thing on a crew. If he absolutely couldn't stay on the ship with the Tams, he should have told Mal that...said it to his face. Jayne wasn't smart enough to work a scheme with the Feds...they wouldn't have just caught him with the Tams, they'd have the lead to capture the entire crew.
@@elvwood River is not crew. Simon is.
@@jasont2986 She still turned on one of Mal's crew. And Jayne doesn't see Simon as crew, just a hanger-on.
What stopped Mal from ending Jayne was the fact that Jayne actually cared about what the crew thinks of him, which showed Mal that he did have empathy for the crew.
I see it more that by him accepting his punishment would be to die, instead of complaining about it, like he did before, it means he accepts and agrees that what he did deserved to get him killed. Asking to lie to the others what he did, again shows he now understands it was so bad that he deserves to die. And as you said, it also shows hes genuinly ashamed now of what he did. Mal sees these changes in Jane and decides that Jane now gets "the concept" and therfore Mal cannot leave Jane behind since there is still "place for him on the ship."
"Two by two, hands of blue."
And in this episode we find out that The Alliance doesn't just want River back, they want to kill anyone who has even *talked* with River. Why is that, do you suppose? Does even River know why they want her so badly? Does she *remember* whatever it is that they're afraid she'll talk about?
This is exactly the reason why I was so mad at Jayne! By selling River he puts the whole crew in danger! Of course everyone tried to see what was going on when they were late, they all could have been captured and killed so easily by the feds!
In my opinion Jayne didn’t betray only River, but the whole crew.
@InnaSoloTV Jayne isn't the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree. His idea of a "solution" tends to be violent and profitable, and he doesn't think much beyond that.
I'm not justifying what he did, just putting it in the context of his character. Fortunately, Mal handled it perfectly. He made it extremely obvious to even the dimmest bulb that *any* future betrayal would result in Jayne's death. And, as you will see in a future episode, River and Simon also have ways to deal with Jayne, and for once, Simon is going to listen to River.
I presume in the future med vials are still made of Pyrex, or some other kind of shatter resistant glass.
The term "mei mei" means "younger sister" in Chinese.
Simon is not rich now, he spent a lot of money to free River, and all remaining assets if any are frozen
О, у Джейна, как ни странно вполне есть моральные принципы и моральный кодекс. Он верен тому, кто его нанимает до тех пор пока с ним честны. Прошлую команду он бросил не потому что ему предложили больший процент и отдельную каюту, а потому что понял, что его командир его обманывает занижая долю и говоря что "семь процентов это стандарт". Но, Ривер и Саймон не его наниматели, он их даже частью команды не считает. Они просто пассажиры, а после удара ножом ещё и опасные пассажиры.
Да, он не белый и пушистый, и выбирая между своей жизнью и чужой он конечно выберет свою, как выбрал выкинув напарника по ограблению за борт. Но, в данном случае он был уверен, что никого не предаёт а просто поступает лучше для всех. Для всех, кто имеет значение для Джейна, конечно. Поэтому он искренне не понимает почему Мэл злится, ведь Мэлу он ничего плохого с его точки зрения не сделал. А вот мнение тех, кто для него команда, для Джейна важно, что показало его предсмертное желание. И Мэл это понимает, а после этих слов ещё раз убедился. Мэл закрыл рампу потому что знает, что если он сможет донести, до Джейна, что Ривер и Саймон тоже часть команды, то его верность будет работать и для них.
Seeing the Blue Sun Company Logo upsets River. She saw it on the cans of food and she saw it on Jayne's shirt. She was slashing at the company logo, not Jayne.
The doctor in the hospital was an intern. He had just graduated from medical school and is required to work in a hospital under the guidance of real doctors for several years. Any doctor in the hospital can check on an intern anytime and override what that intern is doing. This is standard throughout the world and in the Firefly verse.
Inna, I love going back through these episodes with you. Seeing your first-time reactions to them takes me back to my own first experiences with this show. I've watched this series dozens of times since then, and it never seems to get old. When you've finished your "Firefly" journey and watched the movie, consider exploring the "Reacher" series. It's insanely popular for a reason. If you do, just know that you're going to end up falling in love with characters all over, again. But that's okay... no such thing as "too much" love.
@@GranpaMike Reacher is great! I second that recommendation.
@@ernesthakey3396 Inna! Listen to Ernest, he knows what he's talking about! 😉 (Thanks for backing me up, Ernest. I'd sure love to go through that series again, especially seeing Inna's reactions along the way.)
@@GranpaMike Have you read the Jack Reacher books by Lee Child (a pen name of British author Jim Grant)? As of a couple years ago there were 28 books and apparently a short story collection! I have a lot of the novels, and they don't disappoint!
@@ernesthakey3396 No, sir, I sure haven't. I've heard they were good, and after watching both seasons of the series I might have to get busy with the novels. Thanks for the tip!
@@GranpaMike awesome, enjoy!
Mal isnt "super smart" he just knows Jayne, he is for sale and Mal knows it. He has no illusions about who he has working for him here. The only question unknown was what he would do, Jayne's life was definitely hanging in the balance there
Meme might be a Chinese informal or family nickname for a sister. Dede is what my Chinese friend calls her brother. Only the family members use it.
I am not saying Jayne did the right thing, but he kind of has a point. Having Simon and River on board of Serenity creates a big security risk for everyone on the ship.
Also, Jayne is not motivated by greed. He wants the money for a specific purpose that you will learn soon.
That's the thing about authoritarian systems: If you're not dirty, you don't eat.
When you get to the episode, The Message, pay close attention. That’s all I’m going to say.
Jayne not reading the room? It's called comedy and you had the opposite reaction. I think someone didn't read the room, and it wasn't Jayne.
Spitting on a gun while you clean it isn't just gross, it's counterproductive. Spit causes rust. Your supposed to use oil.
Mal had only two choices. Kill Jayne or convince him of how close his actions came to causing him to be killed. Jayne has too much information to just put him off the ship and let him walk around. If Jayne hadn't expressed that he didn't want to be remembered as a traitor to the others Mal would have gone ahead and killed him.
Jayne thought he was protecting himself and the crew, after she slashed him a bit. And this is the test episode- it's pass/fail. No sub, she failed.
Only 5 episodes left
14:35 It's always weird how people miss "being slashed with a knife across the chest and no one cares" as a motivation a few minutes after thwy saw it.
16:40 act with confidence and look like you belong. then no one really questions it. Especially if you actually can do it. (And if a doctor is interrupting you while your patient dies, you're probably happy for teh scapegoat)
If you watch closely in "The Message" you might find a little respect for Jane. He isnt all bad.
Mei-mei. Chinese for little sister.
For me, the biggest question is exactly when Jayne changed his mind.
Most assume it was after the fed betrayed him, but I believe it was when he discovered what had been done to River. I don't think he cut the diagnosis time short to attempt to get them arrested, but to attempt to be gone before the feds arrived.
After all, if he wanted them arrested, he could have just waited.
Agreed
Now watch Farscape
I have mixed feelings about Jayne being left alive. 50/50 regarding loyalty building after such events or nkot.
You couldn't be more wrong actually but with the information you have now I can sort of see why you are saying that. Others will point out various parts but the thing is that character arcs are one of the most important writing points to keep emotion and tension high... Jayne has the longest redemption arc in the series and the way he is currently is just the beginning of the character growth, suffice to say that he would probably have been a questionable character for the first 2 or 3 seasons only reforming then, but with the show getting cut short that never gets to happen.
Инна совершенно безжалостна и не прощает предательство - это восточноевропейское происхождение проявляется :))
Glad to see that high pitch electronic interference every time you talk is gone that was present in Ep. 8. I wasn't able to watch that one. Wish you'd go back and fix it if possible though as it's a great episode and I'd love to see your reaction to it. Oh well, at least I can continue the series with you
River knows things that are very dangerous to the alliance. That's all I'll say about that. I'm looking forward to you finding it out.
🗡🩸🪡When thinking of Jayne's betrayal, remember "He looks better in red!" and all the stitches it took to sew his chest back together? Not defending "the betrayal for cash part", but Jayne had more than enough reason to be "unhappy" with River.
Mal let him back in, because Jayne showed him he was actually ashamed of himself. Resigned to his death, he didn't want the crew to know that he tried to f all of them. If Jayne had no remorse, _then_ he would have been irredeemable.
💯⚖This reactor has always been judgmental above the norm.
Fun to watch though. Needs more subscribers.
(The things you learn about someone's personality, watching them react to media. 🤔👆)
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Popular opinion is that Mal granted Jayne a stay of execution because he was ashamed of what he did.
I disagree. Jayne has never cared what people thought of him except for that brief period in Jaynestown. Even then, in the end, he declared that “there’s just people like me”.
I don’t accept the idea that Jayne suddenly cared what the crew thought of him as a person. He’s always behaved his own way, never compromising his attitude to be liked.
Taking that into account, and the weight of what Mal just said about turning on the crew being like turning on Mal (true loyalty), Jayne appears to have finally got an understanding of being loyal to a group of people rather than just to self or family (without spoiling too much we learn later that Jayne is loyal to his family).
His telling Mal not to tell the others what he did is because he realised that it would shake their faith in each other. His actions would shock them all with uncertainty of how much they can trust one another.
It wasn’t through shame, it was through a final realisation of camaraderie.
yes, through the filter of shame that he came to that realisation. Humans are not 100% logical, emotion, strong emotion can change your perspective on many things, When your parents die, grief can send you on a different path
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Maybe through shame, maybe not. We can’t be sure exactly what triggered the final understanding since the change in attitude was not explicitly explained.
But my contention is that Mal didn’t save Jayne because he was ashamed or because Jayne didn’t want the crew thinking badly of him.
I contend that Mal saved him because Jayne realised the knowledge of his actions would hurt the crew and their faith in each other.
It’s probably also for this reason that Book was not scripted into this episode. Book is the only one aside from Mal whose opinion and guidance Jayne will give credit to. He credits Zoe with toughness and her warriors skills, but he doesn’t care what her opinion of him is. The rest of the crew and passengers mean nearly zilch to him. But Book’s viewpoint holds some weight in Jayne’s mind, and they probably had to remove that element from this episode.
Very, very hard to justify NOT making Jayne walk down.
He cannot be trusted at all now.
Mal failed twice: the first time by leaving the Tam's alone with Jayne when Mal knew he despised them, had a very active grudge against River and had admitted(in ep 1) that he had considered selling them to the Law. but, he prefers to work with Zoe.
His second failure was letting his first mistake enable the second: sparing Jayne.
At the very least he should have set him down a few days away from civilization and left him there.
People are kind of rude in these comments. English isn’t her first language so if she missed some subtleties, that should be expected. You’re doing just fine kid😊
this is THE ONE THING in the WHOLE series i do not like!... mal let him go 😠 REALLY ENJOYED your reaction! 👍☺
I can't wait for you to watch the movie. You'll laugh. You'll cry. You'll freak out when you see the reavers.
Spoiler.
I think she knew what he was planning to do and that is why she cut him. Lucky for Jayne, she could've killed him several times in this show.
That’s the idea that I had as well but I guess that there’s no way to know for sure
What can go wrong?
One word: Jayne
Letting Jayne die would've made Mal just as bad as him, in my opinion.
An accudental death is one thing, but intentionally killing or letting someone die is not a good thing.
Nobody deserves a second chance, but it's the heart in us that moves us to give them anyway.
The problem was that even off the ship, Jayne could (and probably would) sell them out. He would have been a continuing menace.
@@kirkdarling4120It doesn't matter. There is no amount of wrongdoing that is not forgiveable. There are laws that say otherwise, but I don't believe all laws are right.
@@ronfehr7899 When you have to prevent future harm to those in your trust, it's not a matter of forgiveness, it's a matter of protecting people in your trust. It's not as though Mal hadn't killed people before.
@kirkdarling4120 Forgiveness is always an option. Jayne learned his lesson and apologized. By letting him live, Mal forgave him.
Of course, and earnest apology is required for forgiveness to be possible.
Likewise this is not one of my favorite episodes of the series. This episode is good...which is a bit of a dip from the awesomeness of many other episodes.
It's interesting how fans of a series can agree and differ at the same time. Im certain we would both agree the series is fantastic but were also enjoying different things as I would rate this episode as one of the best, if not THE best. 😁