There apparently is no legal definition of "the biking capital of the world". It seems to be a marketing term. Today I simply call marketing legalized false advertising.
@@northhammerfl It's actually Groningen in the Netherlands, but here is another good option. And it's also explained why Copenhagen absolutely isn't. th-cam.com/video/HjzzV2Akyds/w-d-xo.html
We have a couple of paved bike trails where I live, totaling less than 20 miles. There was a review of the trails, and in the comments section someone wrote that he didn’t think that e-bikes should be allowed on the trails. I thought it was interesting that he didn’t give any justification for his stance. When I ride my folding e-bike, my average speed is 8-12mph. If people are worried about e-bikers terrorizing non-electrified bikes with breakneck speeds, they should post some speed limit signs on the trails. These would apply to all riders, including the ones in spandex.
@@WanderingAroundAZ I am an avid cyclist and I do wear spandex. Cyclists who are disrespectful on greenways and paths are pet peeve of mine. I hate that. They do terrorize people. They worry about going fast, they cut people off, they squeeze between walkers, they come way too close to kids and dogs,...if they are worried about PRs and keeping a target heart rate, they need to be on a road and not a path. Don't even get me started on groups that ride on paths and then riders will do stupid stuff and endanger people to try to keep up with their group.
@@WanderingAroundAZ Yes! In my area the speed limit is 10 MPH, Even runners break this limit going down hills. But the only ones going fast around children and strollers are the "Spandex racers". Even the teen boy riding gangs are more careful around small children.
I'm in Washington state. We have speed limits posted on our trails, typically 15mph. I do not see many eBikes on the trails, but when I do, they are usually traveling well over the speed limit, at or near the 20mph capability. I do not appreciate them creating unnecessary passing situations when I am with a group of riders obeying the speed limit. But in fairness, I will say the same about speeding non-motorized bike riders, which are not rare.
@@Area13ebikes Nobody cares about the stupid rule even the law everybody just ignore it so why are you shining a spot light on it ? You just being a dirty little snitch.
My wife and I are both in our upper sixties. Just last year we decided to change our winter home from Tampa Florida to Tucson Arizona. We both suffer from rheumatoid arthritis. I myself used to be a runner and due to my debilitating disease can no longer run. While in Tucson last year we bought Ebikes and fell in love with the Loop! Tucson is an amazing city in such that in has designated bike lanes on nearly every road. Sounds fantastic doesnt it? However, we encumbered two(2) major problems. #1: Ungodly amount of traffic!! You take your chances when crossing any major intersection. And it is compounded by CV19 road rebels. #2: Due to extreme heat in Arizona in the summer, the asphalt pavement expands and heaves. Over time if the roads aren’t repaired they are literally a bitch to ride a straight line on. I myself had an accident on Tucson and First streets due to a large heave on the designated bike lane, lost control and went airborne into a cement wall. Thankfully I was wearing a bike helmet. I went to the emergency room for possible concussion and multiple lacerations. My wife was furious that I had ridden a public road( since we both had earlier discussed the hazards of riding public roads). Look, I am not as agile as I used to be but, an ebike enables my wife and I the ability to get out and explore the community. The Loop is perfect for all of us senior citizens to maintain a healthy lifestyle. The loop is fantastic since it constantly repaired for any imperfections. And absolutely no traffic with vehicles.
Thanks for bringing this issue to light. In the city that is already so hard to get around on a bicycle, it is so ridiculous they do not allow Ebikes on the loop or on any trails around Tucson. I see homeless camps along the loop and needles and drugged people sleeping right on the loop, I don’t think they’re gonna be coming after me riding my E bike on the loop. And if they come after me, it’s gonna be a fun game of Chase Tom on the loop.
I’m sorry but you have awaken too late! We do not have the power! The last election should have shown you this! The justice department is overriding our rights and as we have been sleeping for years while they finish their task of taking our rights away. You should have woken up when President Obama stated that the US Constitution was a living breathing document! In English that means subject to constant change! When you enter the Presidency with 47 lawyers in tow that was what he spoke about when he said “ change this country!” I will go to the Pima website and put my opinion there. I lived in Tucson, was born in AZ and my husband was born there and loved living there for a good period of his childhood. Until they change this policy we will not be heading to Tucson anymore!
Governmental agencies can claim anything they want. So, if Tucson is the biking capital of the world, then Amsterdam must be the biking capital of the universe?
The other day I was yelled at for riding my ebike on the trail at a local State Park in Ohio by another biker. While there are postings that say no Motor Vehicles, The federal government defines a class 1 & 2 Ebikes as a non motor vehicles. I went and asked a staff member, and they said no ebikes on the trail but they are allowed to be on park roads. Yet still I see dozens per day enter the trail. Not sure why traditional bikers are hating on the ebikers
Same with the hate in Germany at the beginning of the European "eBike" hype (approx. 2008-2012)-These haters life in their "competition" bubble and every ride is a competition, a race and YOU BASTARD are CHEATING, let them look slow, let their balls of steel shrink. It cannot be that an old woman is driving faster then they! Then they make "fun" of eBikers - "Only disabled or worthless obese people drive eBikes" Then they argued with "While they do not buy a motorbikes? - It's cheaper (a 40year old broken one) vs a brand new luxury eBike" - Saying that these eBikers are dumb paying so much money for something useless. Then the argued with the legal limitation (not knowing that these support up to 16mph doesn't mean that you are not allowed to drive faster "without support"): " 25kmh I (A real man with balls of steel) drive faster (even uphill in the Alps (for US Rocky Mountains)) - Sure I do the Tour de France everymorning before breakfast. After the first MTB-Ebikes came out - " They steal our trails" (buhu) - If you cannot go downhill with own power you are nothing (Here we have the competiton bubble again). etc.. Nowadays these hate Bikers are driving eBikes by themself. With eBikes I mean the EU version of Class1 eBikes (here called Pedelecs) - Only pedal assist (no throttle) support and support only up to 25kmh (16-17mph?) - These are by law "Bicycles" while Throttles and faster speed support makes them by law to "small motor bikes" where you need a drivers licence, are not allowed to drive on bike lanes, in the forrest and need a licence plate (with insurance).
The few that I have talked to here in Colorado think that the trails belong to them (the road bike riders). They literally all said that walkers and e-bike riders need to stay off the trails as those are their "training" paths. I asked how they can say that when the trails were paid for with everyone's tax dollars, and, BTW, there is a strict 15 mph speed limit on all trails. The answer was that the speed limits don't apply to road bikes, and other users should walk on the dirt beside the trails. I am not kidding. This is actually the mentality.
Many many old beat up retired guys like me do not ride regular bikes anymore due to pain. I have been riding an e-bike for 13 months now. My knees are stronger so I can ride farther with less assist from the motor and I have lost 40lbs. Why would they limit the use of the loop to others like me? It is a paved trail!
Because for every 100 bikes sold, maybe five will go to responsible people like yourself. The other 95 are going to alcoholics and reckless drivers that lost their driver's license or people that don't want to go through the hassle and expense of getting a motorcycle license and paying insurance, registration, and inspections and so get electric mopeds often converted to motorcycle speeds to use in parks and bike paths and the like, some going as high as 75mph with pedals that only exist for show.
@@JasonSmith-vp6vl Wow! I have not experienced anything like that in the Silicone Valley here in California. The speed limit on the trail I ride most frequently on is 15mph and I hardly ever see anyone going even 5 miles an hour over that, even downslope. I have not yet seen one discourteous speeding rider on an e-bike here. I am sure that they are out there but knock on wood so far I have not made contact with any. Cheers
So cool you are bringing this up and supporting us ebike riders in AZ. Even cooler when my wife and I were watching this video and realized you referenced my response to The Loop. I certainly hope that you blew this up so much that they'll have a change of heart. Thank you!
@@sailingaeolus here in upstate New York they use snowmobiles to rescue people. Maybe they don’t want random people being a first responder? That could be solved by refusing to allow people who don’t have something on their sled indicating that they’re not first responders? I’m not actually offering an expert opinion but there’s probably a way to get around it.
We need the local bike shops to voice their concerns as well. Most of the shops make bank off of the snowbirds that come in to ride and plenty show up with E bikes just to cruise the loop.
I ride the San Diego Bay bike path on a regular bike and more than half the bikes I see are ebikes and Rad has a great store on the path and the have test rides with all their bikes on weekends. None of my family or friends like to ride as far as I like to ride so I build them ebikes so I can chase them on my regular bike and see their huge smiles and hear them giggle uncontrollably. Ebikes are the best way to get more people on bikes which is great for all cyclists 😎
Maybe 1 out of 10 ebikes obey the law. The rest are incompetent unlicensed and uninsured electric motorcyclists using paths near pedestrians. Just look at youtube, everyone is asking how to modify their bikes to go 30mph, 40mph, 75mph, and the peddling is just for looks.
@@BoopSnoot Have you ever owned an E-Bike?? You are pointing out the .01 of a % of people that want to modify like that. There will always be those people. You sound like a board, lonely, sad Karen. Maybe your not but your Posts most certainly feel and sound Authoritarian. Do you have any statistics, Links, or data showing this to be actually happening and being used on the trails you are mentioning??
@@metalibend4 Do you have any statistics, links, or data showing that ebikes are actually being used as class-I vehicles and only 0.1% are abusing this? Blow it out your butt, you know full well that its getting worse and worse every year, which is why they are being banned or heavily restricted all over the world. If you want a wakeup call search youtube for "Israel crazy e-bike" and you'll see compilation videos of what an epidemic these have become. Heck, just look in comment section of most of his videos, one of the most common questions is "how fast can it go" because everyone wants to ride them near 30mph on bike paths, and moped style that can't possibly be efficiently peddled are becoming more and more popular.
I just got an ebike off amazon and I love it, felt like a kid again saying one more time around the block more than once. I am going to try and make the 18 miles to work.
I had the same experience there. Also that seems to be the case wherever I ride. I'm happy to cruise in pedal assist at 10-15mph but I see analog riders blasting by at speeds exceeding 20mph as if they have something to prove. I didn't buy an e bike to go fast I bought it because we live in a hilly area and are retired with health issues. This gets us out of the house almost everyday, we want to enjoy the scenery not race.
I am an avid e bike rider, I'm going to play common sense devils advocate here. Don't fly past hikers or walkers at 20 mph...because you can! No different for regular bicycles as well. Common sense and trail eidicate goes a long ways. Other than that let the fine City of Tucson know what they can do with their rules!
Why not report violations to the police for a "citizens arrest", so there can be a test case. This is the quickest way to bring this to city council. If I didn't live in NC I would be your test case dummy.
Demonstrative disability? As a person grows older, some things become more difficult to do. To the extent that we have to give certain activities up, unless we can find something to assist us, a cane, or a golf cart comes to mind. How about becoming too old to ride a regular bike? Pedal assist provides the necessary support for an aged person to ride when otherwise unable. Documentation? How about a driver's licence showing the age of the rider?
Louisville Kentucky has the same "Loop" coincidentally called "the Louisville Loop". This is also is a Paved trail, with park benches, repair stations, restrooms, and water stops that almost circles the entire city. IT currently allows E-bikes, bicycles, joggers, horseback riders, and is about 75 miles in length. It is a beautiful nature tour that crosses dozens of bridges, the Ohio River, forest, and thru the city as well. Perhaps this was an attempt to dethrone Tuscon, but they DO currently allow E-Bikes
We have three in Las Vegas. The wetlands trails and the loop that takes you through the desert on a paved path to lake Las Vegas and then back. The third is the most popular, the red rock canyon loop. There also the abandoned golf course by sunset station casino. Very cool place to test your skills on a lot of verticality.
Class 1 badges? I don't got to show you no stinkin' Class 1 badges!!!! I remember these great t-shirts I used to see in NYC, that cyclists used to wear==they said on the back: "ONE LESS CAR".
This is what I wrote in the The Loop Feedback site "Hi I am from Australia. I'm Australia we use the European standard EN15194. This means we don't discriminate legitimate ebikes from regular bikes. This similar to your category 1. As someone in the older demographic who rides ebikes and in the older age group (60+) my wife and I love to travel to places which are bike friendly. Vancouver so far has been our favorite. As soon as the covid restrictions lift we plan to go full tilt and start exploring the world again and The Loop in Tucson had been on the short list. The fact that you have decided to go against the world wide trend in ebikes shows either total ignorance or a total lack of understanding in how an ebikes work (especially Category 1). I don't know if Tucson cares about tourists but taking away the main attraction (to me anyway) means it will affect our travel decisions." Regards
This is my feedback post: "My wife and I are retired, bought ebikes to give us a hobby, keep us outdoors and active. We plan our vacations around riding our ebikes. We spend thousands of dollars in lodging, restaurants, and grocery shopping, at least 8 months out of the year. Unfortunately for the local businesses in Tucson, we will not be spending our money there. Might want to rethink those arcane ebike laws on the Loop!"
I used to laugh at e-bikes. Thought they were for lazy bastards. Then I realized getting to work without getting sweaty is a pretty cool thing. I now own an escooter and it's fun as hell. I was so wrong about e-bikes.
Same here I remember driving alongside of a guy and an e-bike and rolling down my window and saying enthusiastically " Wow. Is that one of those one of those one of those new lazy bikes?" This was about 10 or 12 years ago in South Florida.
@@Chris-ic6bp Just like e-cars have been around for over 100 years the tech, cost and practicality needed all to get closer to each other for it to be something for most people.
Yeah I used to consider ebike riding to be cheating but I got one and they are fun to ride. I understand the wanting to ban them sentiment because my ebike is three times heavier than my regular bikes and if I was careless and ran into a pedestrian or another bike it could be more damaging than a regular bike. If the Tucson trail people made their decision based on ebike accident data then I would want to see the data. If they didn’t make the decision based on some kind of accident data then I would be against the decision.
From Canada and we plan to winter in Tucson and I followed your request and submitted my absolute displeasure on their feedback form. I've asked for a response and will advise if I get one. Let's hope they get their head out of their 'you know what' and find a better way to address whatever abuse they felt was occurring that precipitated such a draconian decision. Seriously, forcing hundreds, if not thousands, of older and responsible adults, who are once again enjoying bike riding and exercise because of e-bikes, to leave the safety of a wonderfully constructed 131 mile paved trail, something for Tucson to be proud of, to ride their bikes on city streets with vehicles and seriously risk injury or, worse, death is appalling. Thanks for bringing this to light.
As an older Tucson resident just looking into getting an e-bike this really burns me up. I think we need to start a petition -with enough pressure from voters maybe this stupid rule can be changed.
This is what happens when you don't police your own people. Maybe 1 in 10 ebikers were keeping their vehicles street legal under 20mph, anyone browsing youtube can see that everyone is simply using them as electric motorcycles on bike paths which has been hugely dangerous.
@@BoopSnoot Are E-Bikes on bike paths Equal too or more dangerous then being on paved public roads while your driving in your vehicles. Pedestrians get hit by cars every day. They can be in or out of cross walks. Yet we don't ban cars from highways so bicyclists can use them. Point of this is, stop banning things. Make people responsible for their actions.
@@metalibend4 In many places bike paths and pedestrians are in very close proximity, separated by nothing more than a line on the ground. ebikes are also dangerous to regular bicyclists because of their higher speed. basically, if a path is not safe for ICE scooters and motorcycles to be on, its not safe for the increasingly faster and faster e-bikes either. put e-bikes under the same laws as buying a 50cc scooter or lightweight motorcycle, and the world will be a much safer place. everyone knows you're not really peddling that hyperscorpion some 14 year old with no training or accountability is racing down the sidewalk.
Left my feedback on their website. Would have been a great place for a biking vacation. I suppose we will spend our money elsewhere if we're not welcome there.
I went to the site and pretty much said the same thing. Wife and I are on our quest to ride all 50 states with only 14 to go AZ being one of them.. Might have to make it only 49 states I guess….
After looking into this more and having some feedback from someone who lives in Tucson and has been biking on The Loop for years, I think the admin for the Facebook page overstepped things. The official guidelines simply states no motorized vehicles. Whoever made the post on the Facebook page expanded that into the list seen here. Methinks that person needs to read the actual law that defines "motorized vehicle".
Thank you for highlighting this for all of us to consider.... As my wife and I get up there in our years, I am sure we will move from human powered to electric assist on our bikes. It would be very disappointing if we couldn't enjoy such a great public resource because of our aging limitations... We are still avid cyclists today, but we are also nearing our retirement, and know our physical limitations will catch up with us sooner than we would like.
I just added my feedback. I am a senior who just moved to Tucson. I have been planning to buy an e-bike since I am disabled due to cancer. Although I likely could get an ADA permit, it shouldn’t be necessary. Thanks for a great show!
I live in Tennessee and usually visit Arizona every winter. Would love to check out the loop but just recently bought an E bike which I love. So I went to the link you provided and I am begging them to reconsider their laws about E bikes on the loop. Thank you for your video.
I would love to hear the reason WHY peddle assist bikes are not allowed. Even throttle assist for the matter. 15 mph speed limit should suffice to keep everyone in check.
WHY are you pretending like you don't know that virtually every ebiker has skirted the law and is going over 20mph already? Its much easier to ban ebikes than to traffic police the 99% of bikers that break the law every day. That way if you find them instead of just a ticket that the unlicensed uninsured electric motorcylists will never pay, you can just confiscate the illegal vehicle and fine the stores that are knowingly promoting criminality. Voila.
@@Eric_Tennant Better would be is to realize that ebikes are motorized cycles. We already have good laws for them, so treat a ebike under the same laws as a 50cc scooter, and everyone is happy. That way if you want to go 75mph on the highway, its not a problem, and the vehicles will be DOT legal, have license plates, have to be financially responsible for damages or injuries they cause other people with liability insurance, and will have to have some kind of training so they aren't like every e-biker out there that blows through stop signs and goes through red lights like they aren't a motor vehicle.
I live in Pima country and i ride the loop and will keep riding my ebike The cops in Tucson are responding to only major crimes Dont think they will be stoping people riding ebikes
Benn following your channel for awhile now and really like it.Very informative and helpful in my decision making about buying an e-bike.This episode is by far the best as I retired and plan on moving to Arizona next spring.Everyone that supports this channel and e-biker rights should contact their Representatives and find out if federal funds were used in anyway to build this trail. As a e-bike rider who's been fighting for our rights to ride the trails here in Cincinnati I implore everyone to be very vocal in your community.Here's a copy of the email I sent to Pima County. I'm a 61 year old retiree planning on moving to Tucson next April and was hoping to ride my Sondors e-bike on The Loop.The decision to make it a misdemeanor crime is pretty despicable of the board.Was any part of this trail funded by the Federal Government? If so the trail is open for "ALL CLASS 2 E-Bikes".I'll be contacting Representative Ann Kirkpatrick of Tucson and my own Rep. Brad Wenstrup from Ohio's 2nd District to find out if any federal funds was used to build this trail.I hope the trail management makes a change to this and allow e-bikers to ride this trail. As a resident of Arizona next year,I'll be very vocal for e-bike rights on "The Loop".
This was my comment to The Loop (I live in Tucson): I know that my taxes pay for an army of county lawyers. Find the one that has actually opened a law book since 1990 when the ADA was passed and ask them to explain how seriously you are violating federal ADA laws by telling people that they ARE REQUIRED TO CARRY AND PRESENT, ON DEMAND, UNDER PENALTY OF CRIMINAL PROSECUTION, MEDICAL DOCUMENTATION TO SHOW THAT THEY NEED TO USE AN EBIKE on the loop! Please respond with legal citations proving you have the right to see my medical records or you can make me a convicted criminal (trick question, you CAN'T) or remove the restrictions AND THREATS TO MAKE ME A CONVICTED CRIMINAL from the loop's rules. "Biking capital of the world" my arse!
Why? My theory, considering the other electric devices listed in the ban, (hoverboards, electric skateboards et al) is that someone assumed that ebikes fall within the same demographic. Perhaps someone (a bicycle purist perhaps) pointed out that the other devices are used mostly by young people who tend to be discourteous and not follow rules? Someone may even have cited some ads showing ebikes being used in "racy" ways by young people, or even youtube vids showing how to mod ebikes to go faster than the law allows. Like many ebike users, I'm an older person (63) with some physical limitations. My ebike has me out exercising to a degree I haven't done in over 5 years. The most precarious positions I have been in have been when people on conventional bikes have been going too fast for the trail conditions and either passed me without giving the "on your left" cue, or came around a corner toward me and both of us had to swerve to avoid a collision. BTW, I love your channel. You have some of the most balanced and informative videos on ebikes.
Thanks for highlighting this issue and attaching a link to their feedback page, which I used. E-bikes safely share the roads and paths all across the world. Their adoption in Europe is far ahead of North America. If Amsterdam, Holland, does not have a problem with them, why would the Loop? I asked them to rethink their ban, but before they did so, I suggested they should first take an e-bike for a ride.
E-bikes are highly regulated in Europe and you max power is usually reserved for cheapest of ebikes in the US. 5-750 watts are typical and 1000+ watts are not uncommon.
Well, I'm watching this video a year and a half later and I'm sure everyone got the updates for Pima Trail, but e-bikes are now allowed on the trail, as long as it's pedal assisted.
I have lived in Tucson for 67 years. I ride my ebike on a portion of that trail almost every day. It's the only exercise I can get with my physical condition. No one has ever said anything to me when I'm riding.
I lived SE Tucson, alongside Benson hwy and rode a 250cc dirt bike a lot. Desert was dangerous but, hey, so is life... There was no bike loop in 1971...
Well, we'll skip Tucson on our next visit to Arizona. Got exited when I heard about the trail but if I cannot ride it on my ebike I wont.. It looks like someone in a position of power determined on his own that e-bikes equated with motorcycles and mopeds and now he is too hard headed to reconsider. I'm not disable and won't claim to be, The only disability I have is my advanced age. I can ride my 12 speed Schwinn much faster than the 15 MPH top speed of the ebike, I just can't no longer ride very far especially in the heat. Taking a long leisure ride at around 8-10 MPH to conserve battery power is what I do. E-bikes are not vehicles for disabled people, they are the fastest growing segment of personal transportation and recreational vehicles. It should not be long before e-biking taxpayers demand changes to those restrictive and perhaps senseless municipal regulations.
@0 MPH is the top speed of ebikes allowed by law on bike paths. Some non electric bikes have riders who can go well over 20. I fear the child or teenager on an ebike at any speed.
My next bike may well be a BOLTON..I have watched this channel for a year and SO impressed with your knowledge and sensitivity to using ebikes, informative about batteries etc etc etc... you are a HUGE influence. I SUPPORT YOU and your efforts to make this a viable and sustainable transportation source and greener for the planet. THANK YOU!!!
Any body ask the Loop guys why the No e bike rule is in place? I'm in the UK and we have a Paved trail right at the back of our house called The Trans Pennie trail, which takes in the beautiful country in Yorkshire you can walk on it or cycle or ride your horse and most importantly for me ride your pedal assisted ebike. Motorcycles and throttel controled powered vehicles are not allowed ( so Suron type ebikes not allowed) and that makes sense and works really well.
Thanks Jessica and Kyle. I'm in AZ for a week every year and was excited to hear about the loop but disappointed to hear about the dumb ebike ban. I'll be posting on the link now.
I can't prove my limited stamina when asked for a disability proof which is against HIPAA laws. This is a violation of freedom and a discrimination for older folks like me who ride ebikes. Frankly, who ever is in charge of the Loop public trail policies should be replaced. They don't own the Loop! It belongs to the public. So, the solution is to get it on the docket for city council to hear what's going on and get clear ebike regulations for all throughout Pima county that promotes freedom and fair use of the Loop as well as throughout the city of Tucson. E-mail has been sent .
While I agree with the overall sentiments of your message, I want to clarify that there is no violation of HIPAA laws. This term gets misused a lot - especially by folks who are anti-proof of vaccination. HIPAA is to protect your private information within a healthcare setting, insurance records etc: “An Act To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1996 to improve portability and continuity of health insurance coverage in the group and individual markets, to combat waste, fraud, and abuse in health insurance and health care delivery, to promote the use of medical savings accounts, to improve access to long-term care services and coverage, to simplify the administration of health insurance, and for other purposes.” You say that you “can’t prove“ your limited stamina; however It should be a fairly easy thing to ask your healthcare provider for a note citing age, exercise limitations, etc. They can just scribble something on a prescription pad for you. I think this is a case of hot-dogging jerks ruining it for everyone. The authorities probably don’t care of an old person cycles slowly on an Ebike. (At 75 and 80, my husband and I can get away with a lot of things we couldn’t have 50 yrs ago!) So what they should be legislating is for restricted speed and common courtesy.
@@TrishBenedict Actually, no. A Dr. cannot just scribble something on a piece of paper, because it's not considered official documentation. You have to have a form of I.D. or Driver's License stating a health exception, & that is after your, "health exception", has been reviewed & approved by the state, as a justified exception. Then some states, like California, Washington, Oregon, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, NY, & some others... have laws that if you are granted a health exception... you cannot ride an E-bike without documentation. If you do, you can be arrested, fined, or both... & numerous violations can result in you loosing your E-bike privileges. The laws governing E-bikes are plumb retarded... & serve no benefit to society. They only exist to appease the SJW Snowflake Karens, woke bitch fits.
@@OOTurok I’ll politely disagree. I’ve had my doctor “scribble” things on prescription pads. Not just a piece of paper, but a printed Rx pad. Something to take through TSA, that sort of thing. It may not be “official“, in the sense that it wouldn’t be accepted if I were applying for a handicapped placard or somesuch - that would require an official form. But it generally will smooth the wheels in a case like this. And as I said, at 75, I can get away with a lot of things that I could not have earlier in my life. I look like someone who needs an ADA exemption (like when I’ was gasping for air on our camping trip to the Colorado Rockies two weeks ago). But in a situation like this, I think if you’re riding politely and you’re riding slowly and you have an explanatory note on an Rx pad, you’d probably be good.
@@TrishBenedict You can politely disagree all you want, & still be politely wrong. Your TSA example does not apply here. The fact of the matter is, these laws exist, & state politicians are starting to crack down on E-bike riders, posing them as a danger to the public. I can hit over 40 mph on my mountain bike, on flat level terrain, & a lot faster on a down hill... yet federal & state politicians want to put heavy regulations on E-bikes doing 20 mph. The states I've mentioned are now pushing legislation to make it law, that people will have to register & insure E-bikes, since they are considered motor vehicles... which will then require a Class M driver's license for you to ride, & a license plate.
@@OOTurok I don’t disagree with any of that, but we’re addressing different things. I’m just answering the guy who says that he doesn’t have any disability proof. And I’m saying that if you’re riding slowly and politely and someone pulls you over, you can show them a doctors note that you have medical conditions. Period. You’re talking about a whole ‘nother thing.
Hypothetical situation. I come up to the loop. I take out my key and turn the bike off get to the loop and start pedaling. What is going to happen if they stop me for having an E-Bike on the loop? I'm not using the motor and I can prove it by showing that nothing works until I turn the key. Can they assume just because I have a motor, I'm using it? Don't think so.
No they can't proove it, but they don't have to. The law bans E-bikes on the trails... so just having the E-bike on the trail, is the violation. Whether or not you use the motor is irrelevant.
@@OOTurok - What if someone on a traditional pedal bike carries a motor in a bag on the rack on the back of their bike? Is that illegal? According to your non-negotiable viewpoint, it is.
@@billybeemus3929 It's not my view point... it's the politician's, police, & prosecutor's view point. And carrying a motor in a bag won't make a bicycle an E-bike.
Thanks for bring this to our attention! I sent the following: "My wife and I are retired and have a trip scheduled to Tucson. The main reason is because Tucson calls itself the Bike Capital of The World. We were wanting to ride our pedal assist e-bikes on the Loop and we now are hearing that the loop rules differ from the city of tucson rules. That the Loop rules bans pedal assist ebikes. My wife and I are retired and would not be biking if it wasn't for our pedal assist ebikes . Our pedal assist ebikes are how we still can exercise - we still can pedal but we get motorized assistance as needed. My question is - will this rule be changed for our e-bikes or should we reshedule our trip to a more bike friendly area?" Thanks again! We're glad Jessica didnt get arrested! Danny & Lynn RV America
I'm from Tucson and have a e-scooter and I don't know anyone who has ever been given a ticket, there is literally almost no police oversight any where on the trail. You might see some bike cops near or around the downtown area from time to time but there mainly patrolling the city street's in downtown Tucson. I think it's just one of those rare and unenforced laws that hang out in no where land and I don't know a cop in Tucson that would ever even bother to give a e-bike rider on the trail especially a ticket. So I can tell you, now that I know and many others will probably become aware of it, they'll change it. They won't take the chance of losing that almighty buck in tourism, biking brings in. Thanks for the heads up. Awoke in Tucson
Yea, I was wondering if anyone was actually getting ticketed for this? But as long as the policy stays in place, there is always the possibility.. which sucks.
@@xmateinc I used to be a racer, but not the fastest. How can you tell? Lol. Some people can hold 25 for a couple hours, I never got there, the extra speed creates lots more drag, but lots of people can go 20 for over an hour, it’s about the same as being able to run an 18 minute mile, hard but very attainable.
@@xmateinc I used to be a racer, but not the fastest. How can you tell? Lol. Some people can hold 25 for a couple hours, I never got there, the extra speed creates lots more drag, but lots of people can go 20 for over an hour, it’s about the same as being able to run an 18 minute mile, hard but very attainable.
Thanks for the heads up on this, I added my 2 cents on their feedback form, I tried to keep it as positive sounding as possible: I just heard about this fantastic place to ride and then I learn that ebikes are restricted, banned, not allowed, I do not understand why. Ebikes are safe, they are quiet, it gives people the ability to ride who might not otherwise not be able to ride, I'm 55 years old and just got an ebike, I used to ride 10-20 miles everyday, I stopped riding when I moved to a community with unpaved mountain roads that made it risky for me to ride, it wasn't a matter of IF I fell, it was a matter of WHEN I fell. It's been nearly 15 years since I've ridden a bike, my new fat tire ebike gives me the ability to ride once again in my neighborhood where I live. More and more people and families are getting and riding ebikes, for fun (recreation) as well as health reasons. The law considers class 1 and 2 ebikes in the same category as bicycles. A place like The Loop would be an attractive destination for me as I'm sure it would be for many other people who ride ebikes, please reconsider your rule against ebikes on your beautiful trail. This would bring in revenue and tax dollars to your city, sounds like a win-win situation to me. Thank you for your consideration on this matter. Sincerely
My brother bought 3 e-bikes, as a retiree. He was hoping he could get all 3 of us, over 55 unfit brothers and sister, to get outdoors, away from iPads and TVs to get some exercise and spend quality time together. I just sent a TH-cam about this Loop to him because I have not been willing to ride on roads with cars. I don’t want to risk being hit by a car and ruin my retirement. He would qualify to ride his e bike because he has 2 knee replacements, I guess, because the rules appear to specify during rehabilitation only. We have to wait, and keep looking.
I lived in AZ for five years (not in Tucson), and I'm leaving. Arizona has gone insane. The roads are awful, cost of living is super high (vehicle registration fees are nuts), smog laws are nuts, snowbirds take over the entire valley during the winter making it impossible to enjoy the best time of the year. I'm done with Arizona.
Thank you for including the link for sending feedback. I have now used it. Democracy is a beautiful thing… if enough of us make our voices heard we can make change happen. I have seen that happen in my own community. I can tell you from first hand experience, change is most DEFINITELY possible. Let’s send a tsunami of feedback about this issue and start an eBike acceptance movement that spreads across the rest of the USA. 😊👍 🚲
Thank you very much for making this video and publicizing this outrageous law. BTW a Class 2 Misdemeanor is no joke and could be up to 4 months in jail.
Great info I won't be radding on that trail with my rad rover 5 when I visit my grandparents . Hope to one day buy the upgrade kit.it would help me in tahoe. I had a total knee replacement several years ago. But I can now ride up some of the hills and get around on the trails
try riding with two knee reps, two hip reps, back fuzed ,shoulder rep. torn hip flexors, cant drive a car because of pain meds im on, but i can ride my rad, not every day, only got four hundred miles on it, 2019
There should be a Speed Limit of ~15 mph for all bikes on a trail like this, be it analog or electric . This would be fair to all that use it, walkers, runners & bikers.
Great video, and this is absolutely ridiculous. I ride an escooter and my wife an ebike, and we frequently frequent the bike trails in my area. While my scooter is capable of 30 mph, I never exceed 15 mph on a trail and most typically ride 12 or 13 mph. "normal" bikes ridden by young, athletic riders frequently blow by me at much higher speed than I am riding. I can think of no valid reasons to ban pevs from trails. Yes some are capable of high speeds, but my car is capable of riding 100+ mph. By this reasoning it should be banned from all our country's roads as I can't think of a single one that allows you to drive over 100 mph. Don't ban the device, post speed limits and enforce them.
Thanks guys for the link to express my disdain over that e-bike ban rule! Already gave them my 2 cents worth hoping it makes a little bit of difference. Keep up the great videos!
@@Area13ebikes one more thing. When you go to their site and put in your comment you can request a response from them regarding your comment. I did this and guess what, they never responded. Wonder if they have been bombarded with comments that your video inspired and either can’t keep up or simply gave up.
I constantly encounter people of the trails in my town who are startled any time you get near them. They will stand off a trail and look angry as you approach. When you pass them, even if you give a courtesy "ding," they startle and jump. Sounds like one of those easily startled people on a council or committee there got this "law" passed. Any new technology is always licensed and banned at first....
Most likely, one of the decision makers is a spandex-wearing, Lance Armstrong wannabe that wants to keep the trails clear so they can ride unimpeded by slower traffic.
@@Magnabee97 Bingo! We have a winner. I've written that exact line three times this morning. A Tesla is not a new category it's an electric powered automobile.
Excellent info, I did not know about the loop and I visit Tucson often as I have a daughter who attends UofA. I would love to ride the trails on an ebike. I do have a disability but would be offended to show a very personal issue such as this. I would think that federal HIPPA laws over right the Loops rules. Keyword hers is FEDERAL HIPPA laws.
Two years ago I had an accident that pushed my knee backwards tearing a ligament and several areas of the meniscus on both sides of my right knee. I have been mostly bed ridden for the past two years. I had surgery this past January. Rehab did not go well. Walking is excruciating. I recently got a RadRunner and also a Maxfoot Trike. Finally I am able to get out of the house. Without electric assist I would be back to staying mostly in bed. That said - looking at young men riding ebikes - they are totally careless about others on sidewalks and trails. They are the reason such laws are having to be made. I will be asking my Doc for a document to carry.
Jessica for president! Seriously though, the state of Arizona does everything possible to be not-green. "The bottom line is Arizona likes green CASH not green vehicles." Back in 2001 I was told by a cop that "only criminals ride scooters". In 2002 quit my job and started a company called ScooterFaster that sold chain and sprockets for scooters sold across Arizona at places like Fry's Electronics etc. It became profitable in the second month, and I couldn't keep up with orders from just one (1) customer (a California scooter store). In 2003 the Phoenix city council banned all "motorized play toys" from anywhere in Phoenix. This meant it was illegal for your child to follow you around the block on the sidewalk in his/her Power Wheels (R) Jeep. Imagine that bust on the evening news with the required pit maneuver to stop a three-year-old! Eventually, this ban put me and several friends out of business. So much for thinking it was a good time to start a green business. Jessica should be able to beat the ticket using the Federal law which classifies bikes with pedals under 750 watts as bicycles and states that local police must comply.
This brings up a concern I have had for a long time. - It would be very helpful to publish a guide of bike trails showing which have restrictions and which don't. Since there is a large range of e-bikes now, specific rules regarding exactly what type of e-bikes are allowed? - i.e. Are e-trikes allowed? Can you carry a pet (dog) with you? - Etc.
thank you for this information. I submitted a request to stop the ban on ebikes. I will be visiting my son in this area for the next 4 years while he attends a school there. I have just overcome Sciatica and am back in the biking world and outdoors thanks to ebikes THANK YOU BOLTON!
They ban Mountain Bikes on the Loop too. I went to Tucson with a friend to ride the infamous bike path... & 6 miles in, we got stopped by the police, & told that MTBs are not allowed on the path, because they are too reckless. What was suppose to be a weekend vacation trip, ended real quick, back to Texas.
Class action law suite for HIPPA coming to Tucson the first time they try and enforce that one. Letter sent. Thank you for bringing this up. Edit: Don't be shy everyone. The format for writing the letter is all set up with the link. Took less than a couple of minutes.
Yes. I am sure that it is a bitter road bike guy or guys that are behind this. They really don't want to expand biking. They want to feel like there are special elite athletes. The truth of the matter is that if they were really fast road bikers, they would be on the open road and not on bike paths. I always chuckle when I see Road bikers dressed like they are in the tour de France on bike trails instead of the road.
Lol.I’d be a roady if I didn’t have to wear the required uniform.It’s against my religion to wear something like that out in public or even in my own house, and I’m not religious.
I'm a roadie. I welcome ebikes. To see people out in nature, fresh air in their face, 20 years off their expression, using one less car, is all that matters. I just want to see people riding bikes, however that looks for each person. One thing I enjoy seeing about ebikes is that the people riding them are in pure joy. They have found their freedom again. Priceless. Btw roadies use Lycra for comfort; or at least I do. Just like you ride an ebike for comfort. It's great for riding in, awful for sitting around in.
Pretty sure it was some power-tripping city Bureaucrat who came up with that policy. Someone needs to ask the Mayors office about this and let them know whats going on. Finding our who came up with this crazy rule and asking them some direct questions on camera would be hilarious. Oh and anyone who thinks Tuscon is the biking capitol of the world has never been to the Netherlands, just saying.
@@BoopSnoot Mmkay ... sorry to hear that. Was he riding a class 1 or 2 Ebike? We all know he was not, so whats your point exactly? Class 1 & 2 Ebikes have a max speed of half that. This limitation is by design to conform to US law. Mine for instance has a max cruise speed of 20mph on battery alone. It is a class 2 bike with a 750w motor. It could never go 50mph and is no threat to you or anyone else. That is true for all legal class 1 & 2 ebikes. No legal ebike can go 50mph, hell we can barely go half that. We are not the problem, and are not the rider who almost struck you. Point your outrage somewhere else please, it does not apply to us.
I actually was able to pull up the minutes from the meeting in which the loop advisory committee decided to ban E bikes on the loop. It was actually the county attorney advising the board that recommended it, NOT due to any safety issues, but for the loop committee’s own convenience. The attorney explained that if they allowed e bikes then they would have to consider, individually, EVERY electric motorized device such as Segways, electric scooters, electric skateboards etc and that would be too much work. So they decided to ban EVERYTHING that has any kind of motor with the exception of ADA devices.
Jokes on them, I don't use Facebook! Used to ride to work on the loop with my class 2. People that take cycling seriously with the full gear and bikes worth more than a used car go faster than a typical ebike would. If they think only ebikes are going 20+mph, they truly got some people in charge who are clueless. edit: Know what is actually a hazard on that trail? Spoiler, it's not the ebikes. It's people who wear headphones not paying attention. Road bikers that travel in a pack like it's the Tour De France. People walking their pets with way too much slack on the leash. Never got into an accident on the trail because of my ebike, but those factors all nearly caused one.
As a new Ebike owner I am looking forward to riding the Loop. I am 84 years old, retired military and former avid bike rider. I can not ride my regular bikes but have started riding my new Ebike. This allows me to get exercise and enjoy the wonderful Tucson and other areas while riding my Ebike. Having a restriction on me riding my Ebike on the Tucson Loop is a slap on the face of any senior citizen that would enjoy what the Loop offers. Safe riding of Ebikes. The Tucson Loop powers to be really need to reconsider their heavy handed policy regarding lawful use of a Tucson resource. I am sure more Tucson and visiting Ebike riders are not going to be happy with this restriction. Do the right thing and open up the Tucson Loop for all riders of bikes.
We have quite a few trails here in Ohio, the Ohio-to- Erie trial is 320 miles which I would love to ride one day. Here in Greenville Ohio, we have a short trial that leads to a few others that are longer, there is a “ no motor vehicle “ sign and I think to my self if that also means ebikes when I ride by it.
I ride my e-bike on the bike trail from Clyde to Norwalk and talk to the county and park guys all the time and they know what I ride and a couple of them ride their e-bikes on the weekends. If you don't have pedals or gas/diesel engines then you can't ride on the paved trails in Ohio
Nope, not over 750w or class 1 & 2 only. I ride 40 miles and with no assistance I wouldn't make it 12 miles because of the hills but for the past few months I have been riding a lot.
@@johnverdico1633 I pretty much do the same thing. I ride from Columbus to London or Battelle Darby Park at least three times a week. Would love to take a long trip maybe to Cleveland to the Rock and roll Hall of Fame on the bike trail.
As I understand it, the rules on the Chuck Huckleberry Loop are a little more nuanced. Different parts are run by different authorities. In the city itself, Tucson allows pedal assist, but not if it has a throttle. So a class 1 would be acceptable, but not a class 2. The county bans all e-bikes of all kinds. The other problem is that it's a recreational facility. It closes at night, like any other park. But they don't close the roads at night. It's well situated for use as a commuting and transportation asset, and neither the city nor county are thinking in terms of moving people quickly and efficiently on the Loop. They should be thinking in terms of how to connect it seamlessly into the full bicycle system rather than as a playground destination.
I think we all know government never stops taking away freedom. There are people in place that are doing this everyday both parties. When will Americans say they have had enough. Ebikes will be licensed and regulated. Keep an eye on Cali and New York. Thats where it will begin. In the meantime, enjoy every moment you can with this amazing device we call EBike.
I don't know about other national forests but here in the Willamette National forest Oregon says.. "Electric bikes (E-bikes) are NOT ALLOWED on trails designated for non-motorized use such as mountain bike or hiking trails. E-bikes are classified as self-propelled motor vehicles and are only allowed on roads or trails open to motorized vehicles. Maps for those motorized roads and trails can be found here."
Great work thanks from Australia .that Banning of E-Bike on that the Loop track is totally ridiculous.some one in the regulators who put that law needs to get fired and quick
Yes, Tucson is foolish for choosing e-bikes as their hill to die on. I live in Phoenix, we have great bike paths and e-bikes are allowed on almost all of them. They are also allowed at South Mountain and other regional mountain biking areas (easy to check) Tucson has a ton of senior citizens that would get on their cute little e-bikes and putt around if they'd let them. So yes, I'm 100% with you here!
This E-Bike ban is ridiculous. If they are worried about reckless driving they should just put a speed limit on the path. E-Bikes help people especially elderly people get out and get exercise that normally could not complete the 130 mile loop. Banning E-Bikes is discrimination and depriving people of their needed health and wellness.
When my parents got Ebikes this year they went from biking once a year to 4x a week. When I got my first Ebike this year I went from biking twice a month to 5x a week. It drastically improves peoples health and motivation to get out the door.
This just furthers my theory that the more local the government, the more ridiculous the laws. The people making these restrictions are busybodies who are only in power because they got the support of the 12 other busybodies that have the time to get invested in local politics.
This is an Ebike channel. That's the reason for the majority positive responses to Ebike use. I live in Tucson and use the loop for standard boring biking. I don't see a problem with Ebikes. You should probably be a fairly competent rider though as many people use it for walking and running. It gets busy in some parts. I've heard some say they didn't plan it for Ebikes and that it would essentially turn it into a beltway rather than a loop given the speeds you're able to attain on modern Ebikes. In other words they don't want it becoming a commuter road. I'm one of those that can see both sides of the controversy.
The loop really only gets busy in the winter since most people are afraid of the heat. I'll blast the loop and the trails durning the summer since it's always dead. E bikes aren't my thing but I say if it gets more people out riding I'm all for it.
You are probably right here in the UK we are only allowed 250w motors and 15 mph to be honest I have no problem with that I am quite happy riding at that speed and that's after 51years on motorcycles.
I'm 54. I live 1 mile from Lake Erie in Northwest Pennsylvania and commute to and from work on a 26" folding E Bike. I also use it for short trips to the store. So far, I haven't been bothered by the local police. It probably helps that our Mayor also owns an E Bike. I have equipped my bike with a brake light and turn signals for better visibility.
Thank you for this video. I have been looking at moving to the Tucson area and now thinking twice about Tucson. I sent the Pima County an email with my thought!! Doubt their pea brained staff will have a common sense answer!
We have been snowbirding to Tucson for three years now. The last two years at a RV park with direct access to the loop! During our 2022/23 trip we had new ebikes and were told at that time pedal assist ebikes were OK, and I see that verified just now on the Tucson Loop website. eBikes were very popular on the loop - but even if they were still outlawed I would not worry too much about it due to complete lack of enforcement. During the two months we were there this year, riding on average 5 days a week, we saw Gas Powered cycles from small to medium sized, and some in groups, at least a dozen times. We could see where they had done considerable damage to the sometimes beautifully landscaped areas along the trail, like huge donuts in the sand that do not go away. The loop is wide and very well done, too bad they are not enforcing something as obvious, noisy, and damaging as these gas powered cycles.
Tucson has NOTHING on Copenhagen in Denmark where at last count that I saw there were approximately 2.3 bikes to every resident of the city. People there ride bikes year round for going to work, to school, and making deliveries; there are also multistory parking garages and just for bicycles, Copenhagen officials say that there are not enough parking spaces for bicycles within the city. So the "Biking Capital of the World" in my opinion is COPENHAGEN with Amsterdam a close second.
It’s 100% illegal to have to disclose your disability as well as if your vaccinated, unless you purchase a reduced priced ticket for a ride on local transportation.
Lawmakers: Just put a speed limit on the areas that you feel sensitive towards as long as everyone is on board with it voting wise. 15 to 20 mph doesn’t seem too harsh and doable for the e-bikers on dirt paths.
Tucson: I’m the biking capital of the world.
Amsterdam: Am I joke to you?
I would have said Købehavn, Danmark is the world bicycle capital.
There apparently is no legal definition of "the biking capital of the world". It seems to be a marketing term. Today I simply call marketing legalized false advertising.
I guess none of you have cycled in Tokyo…..
Ehh, the entire country of the Netherlands is one bicycle path, nowhere on this planet is more.
@@northhammerfl It's actually Groningen in the Netherlands, but here is another good option. And it's also explained why Copenhagen absolutely isn't.
th-cam.com/video/HjzzV2Akyds/w-d-xo.html
We have a couple of paved bike trails where I live, totaling less than 20 miles. There was a review of the trails, and in the comments section someone wrote that he didn’t think that e-bikes should be allowed on the trails. I thought it was interesting that he didn’t give any justification for his stance. When I ride my folding e-bike, my average speed is 8-12mph. If people are worried about e-bikers terrorizing non-electrified bikes with breakneck speeds, they should post some speed limit signs on the trails. These would apply to all riders, including the ones in spandex.
Spandex Mafia strike again.
@@WanderingAroundAZ I am an avid cyclist and I do wear spandex. Cyclists who are disrespectful on greenways and paths are pet peeve of mine. I hate that. They do terrorize people. They worry about going fast, they cut people off, they squeeze between walkers, they come way too close to kids and dogs,...if they are worried about PRs and keeping a target heart rate, they need to be on a road and not a path. Don't even get me started on groups that ride on paths and then riders will do stupid stuff and endanger people to try to keep up with their group.
@@WanderingAroundAZ Yes! In my area the speed limit is 10 MPH, Even runners break this limit going down hills. But the only ones going fast around children and strollers are the "Spandex racers". Even the teen boy riding gangs are more careful around small children.
I'm in Washington state. We have speed limits posted on our trails, typically 15mph. I do not see many eBikes on the trails, but when I do, they are usually traveling well over the speed limit, at or near the 20mph capability. I do not appreciate them creating unnecessary passing situations when I am with a group of riders obeying the speed limit. But in fairness, I will say the same about speeding non-motorized bike riders, which are not rare.
@@DaveCM Around here it's the "casual" bikers who have zero idea how to use their gears that are the problem on our trail.
Small point.
"Cycling capital of the world"?
Amsterdam says "Hi!!"
yeah i agree with you he may have overstated it a bit 😂
That is what the website said. We totally get it. :)
Should have said Cycling capital of Arizona... lol 😂
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@@Area13ebikes
Nobody cares about the stupid rule even the law everybody just ignore it so why are you shining a spot light on it ? You just being a dirty little snitch.
My wife and I are both in our upper sixties. Just last year we decided to change our winter home from Tampa Florida to Tucson Arizona. We both suffer from rheumatoid arthritis. I myself used to be a runner and due to my debilitating disease can no longer run. While in Tucson last year we bought Ebikes and fell in love with the Loop! Tucson is an amazing city in such that in has designated bike lanes on nearly every road.
Sounds fantastic doesnt it? However, we encumbered two(2) major problems. #1: Ungodly amount of traffic!! You take your chances when crossing any major intersection. And it is compounded by CV19 road rebels. #2: Due to extreme heat in Arizona in the summer, the asphalt pavement expands and heaves. Over time if the roads aren’t repaired they are literally a bitch to ride a straight line on. I myself had an accident on Tucson and First streets due to a large heave on the designated bike lane, lost control and went airborne into a cement wall. Thankfully I was wearing a bike helmet. I went to the emergency room for possible concussion and multiple lacerations. My wife was furious that I had ridden a public road( since we both had earlier discussed the hazards of riding public roads).
Look, I am not as agile as I used to be but, an ebike enables my wife and I the ability to get out and explore the community. The Loop is perfect for all of us senior citizens to maintain a healthy lifestyle. The loop is fantastic since it constantly repaired for any imperfections. And absolutely no traffic with vehicles.
Encumber is the wrong word. I imagine you meant encountered.
As a former resident of Tucson, this is insane. I reached out to my bike friends from there and hope they can help.
Thanks for doing that A W
I just this is a NIMY reaction to the loop trail itself.
If this law is in effect I can't tell. I still see E bikes and none of us care. Heck I see guys on gas scooters on the loop.
Ask Karen to reconsider!
Instead of criminalizing E-bikes, the officials in Arizona should be promoting them. This decision to ban E-bikes is a bad law.
Thanks for bringing this issue to light. In the city that is already so hard to get around on a bicycle, it is so ridiculous they do not allow Ebikes on the loop or on any trails around Tucson. I see homeless camps along the loop and needles and drugged people sleeping right on the loop, I don’t think they’re gonna be coming after me riding my E bike on the loop. And if they come after me, it’s gonna be a fun game of Chase Tom on the loop.
Well said!
Lol! A low speed chase on the loop, I'd pay to see that 👍
I will help fund your 5000watt conversion.
Kyle
I. Unfortunately spent 7 long uncomfortable years in Arizona and this type of attitude towards bikes is precisely why I left, never to return.
Cycling capital of the world?
I don't think so.
Even Minnesota is better equipped to take such a title.
I look at AZ differently now. Yuk
It’s time we the people wake up to the fact that we have ALL the power and our elected officials and lawmakers work for us!
You Tell 'Em! Thanks for writing that letter with the link in the description. It seems like you have a lot of really important things to say!
Hallelujah! 🤨
@@joethompson2910 a
I’m sorry but you have awaken too late! We do not have the power! The last election should have shown you this! The justice department is overriding our rights and as we have been sleeping for years while they finish their task of taking our rights away. You should have woken up when President Obama stated that the US Constitution was a living breathing document! In English that means subject to constant change! When you enter the Presidency with 47 lawyers in tow that was what he spoke about when he said
“ change this country!”
I will go to the Pima website and put my opinion there.
I lived in Tucson, was born in AZ and my husband was born there and loved living there for a good period of his childhood.
Until they change this policy we will not be heading to Tucson anymore!
Governmental agencies can claim anything they want. So, if Tucson is the biking capital of the world, then Amsterdam must be the biking capital of the universe?
The other day I was yelled at for riding my ebike on the trail at a local State Park in Ohio by another biker. While there are postings that say no Motor Vehicles, The federal government defines a class 1 & 2 Ebikes as a non motor vehicles. I went and asked a staff member, and they said no ebikes on the trail but they are allowed to be on park roads. Yet still I see dozens per day enter the trail. Not sure why traditional bikers are hating on the ebikers
Ignorant yeller
Same with the hate in Germany at the beginning of the European "eBike" hype (approx. 2008-2012)-These haters life in their "competition" bubble and every ride is a competition, a race and YOU BASTARD are CHEATING, let them look slow, let their balls of steel shrink. It cannot be that an old woman is driving faster then they!
Then they make "fun" of eBikers - "Only disabled or worthless obese people drive eBikes"
Then they argued with "While they do not buy a motorbikes? - It's cheaper (a 40year old broken one) vs a brand new luxury eBike" - Saying that these eBikers are dumb paying so much money for something useless.
Then the argued with the legal limitation (not knowing that these support up to 16mph doesn't mean that you are not allowed to drive faster "without support"): " 25kmh I (A real man with balls of steel) drive faster (even uphill in the Alps (for US Rocky Mountains)) - Sure I do the Tour de France everymorning before breakfast.
After the first MTB-Ebikes came out - " They steal our trails" (buhu) - If you cannot go downhill with own power you are nothing (Here we have the competiton bubble again).
etc..
Nowadays these hate Bikers are driving eBikes by themself.
With eBikes I mean the EU version of Class1 eBikes (here called Pedelecs) - Only pedal assist (no throttle) support and support only up to 25kmh (16-17mph?) - These are by law "Bicycles" while Throttles and faster speed support makes them by law to "small motor bikes" where you need a drivers licence, are not allowed to drive on bike lanes, in the forrest and need a licence plate (with insurance).
The few that I have talked to here in Colorado think that the trails belong to them (the road bike riders). They literally all said that walkers and e-bike riders need to stay off the trails as those are their "training" paths. I asked how they can say that when the trails were paid for with everyone's tax dollars, and, BTW, there is a strict 15 mph speed limit on all trails. The answer was that the speed limits don't apply to road bikes, and other users should walk on the dirt beside the trails. I am not kidding. This is actually the mentality.
Many many old beat up retired guys like me do not ride regular bikes anymore due to pain. I have been riding an e-bike for 13 months now. My knees are stronger so I can ride farther with less assist from the motor and I have lost 40lbs. Why would they limit the use of the loop to others like me? It is a paved trail!
Because for every 100 bikes sold, maybe five will go to responsible people like yourself. The other 95 are going to alcoholics and reckless drivers that lost their driver's license or people that don't want to go through the hassle and expense of getting a motorcycle license and paying insurance, registration, and inspections and so get electric mopeds often converted to motorcycle speeds to use in parks and bike paths and the like, some going as high as 75mph with pedals that only exist for show.
@@JasonSmith-vp6vl
Wow! I have not experienced anything like that in the Silicone Valley here in California. The speed limit on the trail I ride most frequently on is 15mph and I hardly ever see anyone going even 5 miles an hour over that, even downslope. I have not yet seen one discourteous speeding rider on an e-bike here.
I am sure that they are out there but knock on wood so far I have not made contact with any. Cheers
@@JasonSmith-vp6vl Really? Sounds like the well-formed opinion of someone who has never ridden a bike, let alone an ebike. You need to get out more...
So cool you are bringing this up and supporting us ebike riders in AZ. Even cooler when my wife and I were watching this video and realized you referenced my response to The Loop. I certainly hope that you blew this up so much that they'll have a change of heart. Thank you!
Remember that SNOWBOARDS were not allowed on ski slopes at first. You need to show an cost advantage to allowing E bikes on these trails.
Thats right m’man….. we r not paying the right lobbyists!
Well, I think they still ban snowmobiles from the slopes - powered by gas or battery.
@@sailingaeolus here in upstate New York they use snowmobiles to rescue people. Maybe they don’t want random people being a first responder? That could be solved by refusing to allow people who don’t have something on their sled indicating that they’re not first responders? I’m not actually offering an expert opinion but there’s probably a way to get around it.
Feedback has been sent. They are giving up a ton of tourist dollars for such a dumb decision.
We need the local bike shops to voice their concerns as well. Most of the shops make bank off of the snowbirds that come in to ride and plenty show up with E bikes just to cruise the loop.
its not about money but control.
I ride the San Diego Bay bike path on a regular bike and more than half the bikes I see are ebikes and Rad has a great store on the path and the have test rides with all their bikes on weekends. None of my family or friends like to ride as far as I like to ride so I build them ebikes so I can chase them on my regular bike and see their huge smiles and hear them giggle uncontrollably. Ebikes are the best way to get more people on bikes which is great for all cyclists 😎
I ride the bay route to. Love it
Maybe 1 out of 10 ebikes obey the law. The rest are incompetent unlicensed and uninsured electric motorcyclists using paths near pedestrians. Just look at youtube, everyone is asking how to modify their bikes to go 30mph, 40mph, 75mph, and the peddling is just for looks.
Right on
@@BoopSnoot
Have you ever owned an E-Bike??
You are pointing out the .01 of a % of people that want to modify like that. There will always be those people.
You sound like a board, lonely, sad Karen. Maybe your not but your Posts most certainly feel and sound Authoritarian.
Do you have any statistics, Links, or data showing this to be actually happening and being used on the trails you are mentioning??
@@metalibend4 Do you have any statistics, links, or data showing that ebikes are actually being used as class-I vehicles and only 0.1% are abusing this? Blow it out your butt, you know full well that its getting worse and worse every year, which is why they are being banned or heavily restricted all over the world. If you want a wakeup call search youtube for "Israel crazy e-bike" and you'll see compilation videos of what an epidemic these have become. Heck, just look in comment section of most of his videos, one of the most common questions is "how fast can it go" because everyone wants to ride them near 30mph on bike paths, and moped style that can't possibly be efficiently peddled are becoming more and more popular.
I just got an ebike off amazon and I love it, felt like a kid again saying one more time around the block more than once. I am going to try and make the 18 miles to work.
What do you mean "try" to go 18 miles on an e bike? What could possibly stop you? 18 miles is not even that far on a real bike
you mean hold the throttle to work.
I've ridden the Loop on my ebike. No problem. The road cyclists were going way faster than my class 2, speed regulated ebike.
Jessica totally agrees. Those darn kids go way too fast.
I had the same experience there. Also that seems to be the case wherever I ride. I'm happy to cruise in pedal assist at 10-15mph but I see analog riders blasting by at speeds exceeding 20mph as if they have something to prove. I didn't buy an e bike to go fast I bought it because we live in a hilly area and are retired with health issues. This gets us out of the house almost everyday, we want to enjoy the scenery not race.
I am an avid e bike rider, I'm going to play common sense devils advocate here. Don't fly past hikers or walkers at 20 mph...because you can! No different for regular bicycles as well. Common sense and trail eidicate goes a long ways. Other than that let the fine City of Tucson know what they can do with their rules!
Agreed, but that same courtesy should extend to all bikes.
Thanks for bringing attention to this. Live here in Tucson and see ebikes on The Loop all the time. Rule is not enforced bottom line.
LOL, its easier to ask forgiveness than permission. Ride on my Friends
Why not report violations to the police for a "citizens arrest", so there can be a test case. This is the quickest way to bring this to city council. If I didn't live in NC I would be your test case dummy.
We sometimes have police on bikes on the loop and I'm sure they don't care either. Heck I've seen gas scooters on the loop.
Demonstrative disability? As a person grows older, some things become more difficult to do. To the extent that we have to give certain activities up, unless we can find something to assist us, a cane, or a golf cart comes to mind. How about becoming too old to ride a regular bike? Pedal assist provides the necessary support for an aged person to ride when otherwise unable. Documentation? How about a driver's licence showing the age of the rider?
@@williambranham6249 Pima County issue, not city of Tucson issue.
Louisville Kentucky has the same "Loop" coincidentally called "the Louisville Loop". This is also is a Paved trail, with park benches, repair stations, restrooms, and water stops that almost circles the entire city. IT currently allows E-bikes, bicycles, joggers, horseback riders, and is about 75 miles in length. It is a beautiful nature tour that crosses dozens of bridges, the Ohio River, forest, and thru the city as well.
Perhaps this was an attempt to dethrone Tuscon, but they DO currently allow E-Bikes
We have three in Las Vegas. The wetlands trails and the loop that takes you through the desert on a paved path to lake Las Vegas and then back. The third is the most popular, the red rock canyon loop.
There also the abandoned golf course by sunset station casino. Very cool place to test your skills on a lot of verticality.
Class 1 badges? I don't got to show you no stinkin' Class 1 badges!!!! I remember these great t-shirts I used to see in NYC, that cyclists used to wear==they said on the back: "ONE LESS CAR".
HAHAHA!!
This is what I wrote in the The Loop Feedback site
"Hi I am from Australia. I'm Australia we use the European standard EN15194. This means we don't discriminate legitimate ebikes from regular bikes. This similar to your category 1.
As someone in the older demographic who rides ebikes and in the older age group (60+) my wife and I love to travel to places which are bike friendly. Vancouver so far has been our favorite.
As soon as the covid restrictions lift we plan to go full tilt and start exploring the world again and The Loop in Tucson had been on the short list. The fact that you have decided to go against the world wide trend in ebikes shows either total ignorance or a total lack of understanding in how an ebikes work (especially Category 1).
I don't know if Tucson cares about tourists but taking away the main attraction (to me anyway) means it will affect our travel decisions."
Regards
This is my feedback post:
"My wife and I are retired, bought ebikes to give us a hobby, keep us outdoors and active. We plan our vacations around riding our ebikes. We spend thousands of dollars in lodging, restaurants, and grocery shopping, at least 8 months out of the year.
Unfortunately for the local businesses in Tucson, we will not be spending our money there. Might want to rethink those arcane ebike laws on the Loop!"
Well said!
I used to laugh at e-bikes. Thought they were for lazy bastards. Then I realized getting to work without getting sweaty is a pretty cool thing. I now own an escooter and it's fun as hell. I was so wrong about e-bikes.
As you get older you will realize you just can't do what you used to be able to do. I'm 80 and love my ebike. It gets back in nature which I love.
Same here I remember driving alongside of a guy and an e-bike and rolling down my window and saying enthusiastically " Wow. Is that one of those one of those one of those new lazy bikes?" This was about 10 or 12 years ago in South Florida.
@@billclark8241 ... l had no awareness that E-bikes were even around that long ago. I thought they had only been around a couple of years before now.
@@Chris-ic6bp Just like e-cars have been around for over 100 years the tech, cost and practicality needed all to get closer to each other for it to be something for most people.
Yeah I used to consider ebike riding to be cheating but I got one and they are fun to ride. I understand the wanting to ban them sentiment because my ebike is three times heavier than my regular bikes and if I was careless and ran into a pedestrian or another bike it could be more damaging than a regular bike. If the Tucson trail people made their decision based on ebike accident data then I would want to see the data. If they didn’t make the decision based on some kind of accident data then I would be against the decision.
From Canada and we plan to winter in Tucson and I followed your request and submitted my absolute displeasure on their feedback form. I've asked for a response and will advise if I get one. Let's hope they get their head out of their 'you know what' and find a better way to address whatever abuse they felt was occurring that precipitated such a draconian decision. Seriously, forcing hundreds, if not thousands, of older and responsible adults, who are once again enjoying bike riding and exercise because of e-bikes, to leave the safety of a wonderfully constructed 131 mile paved trail, something for Tucson to be proud of, to ride their bikes on city streets with vehicles and seriously risk injury or, worse, death is appalling. Thanks for bringing this to light.
As an older Tucson resident just looking into getting an e-bike this really burns me up. I think we need to start a petition -with enough pressure from voters maybe this stupid rule can be changed.
This is what happens when you don't police your own people. Maybe 1 in 10 ebikers were keeping their vehicles street legal under 20mph, anyone browsing youtube can see that everyone is simply using them as electric motorcycles on bike paths which has been hugely dangerous.
@@BoopSnoot Are E-Bikes on bike paths Equal too or more dangerous then being on paved public roads while your driving in your vehicles.
Pedestrians get hit by cars every day. They can be in or out of cross walks. Yet we don't ban cars from highways so bicyclists can use them.
Point of this is, stop banning things. Make people responsible for their actions.
@@BoopSnoot I smell a LOOP employee!
I would join you in that petition. I just moved to Tucson and planned to get an e-bike.
@@metalibend4 In many places bike paths and pedestrians are in very close proximity, separated by nothing more than a line on the ground. ebikes are also dangerous to regular bicyclists because of their higher speed. basically, if a path is not safe for ICE scooters and motorcycles to be on, its not safe for the increasingly faster and faster e-bikes either. put e-bikes under the same laws as buying a 50cc scooter or lightweight motorcycle, and the world will be a much safer place. everyone knows you're not really peddling that hyperscorpion some 14 year old with no training or accountability is racing down the sidewalk.
Left my feedback on their website. Would have been a great place for a biking vacation. I suppose we will spend our money elsewhere if we're not welcome there.
It is a great place for biking, but want want special treatment. I can't ride my scooter there. cry cry cry
I went to the site and pretty much said the same thing. Wife and I are on our quest to ride all 50 states with only 14 to go AZ being one of them.. Might have to make it only 49 states I guess….
It doesnt say you can't ride a bike so you can still go on a biking vacation there.
@@scottf3456 I think you're missing the point.
Clearly they have no idea what the average ebike is, nor the average ebiker. We are not some sort of biker gang terrorizing the bike paths.
After looking into this more and having some feedback from someone who lives in Tucson and has been biking on The Loop for years, I think the admin for the Facebook page overstepped things. The official guidelines simply states no motorized vehicles. Whoever made the post on the Facebook page expanded that into the list seen here. Methinks that person needs to read the actual law that defines "motorized vehicle".
Very well said!
There are signs on the loop that are quite clear and list ebikes specifically on them.
How disappointing. We rode a section last winter on our ebikes and hoped to return and do more. We saw almost no one using the trail.
Thank you for highlighting this for all of us to consider.... As my wife and I get up there in our years, I am sure we will move from human powered to electric assist on our bikes. It would be very disappointing if we couldn't enjoy such a great public resource because of our aging limitations... We are still avid cyclists today, but we are also nearing our retirement, and know our physical limitations will catch up with us sooner than we would like.
I just added my feedback. I am a senior who just moved to Tucson. I have been planning to buy an e-bike since I am disabled due to cancer. Although I likely could get an ADA permit, it shouldn’t be necessary. Thanks for a great show!
ADA permit???? There is no such thing. If there was, people would not be allowed to take their emotional support animas to the grocery 🤣🤣🤣
It's probably worth going to businesses in the area and mentioning it's going to affect their business, since riders won't travel via the link.
Absolutely. Especially seniors who have plenty of leisure and money.
I live in Tennessee and usually visit Arizona every winter. Would love to check out the loop but just recently bought an E bike which I love. So I went to the link you provided and I am begging them to reconsider their laws about E bikes on the loop. Thank you for your video.
I would love to hear the reason WHY peddle assist bikes are not allowed. Even throttle assist for the matter. 15 mph speed limit should suffice to keep everyone in check.
i have an e-bike in florida and i have racing bikes pass me all the time going over 25MPH good luck with a speed limit.
WHY are you pretending like you don't know that virtually every ebiker has skirted the law and is going over 20mph already? Its much easier to ban ebikes than to traffic police the 99% of bikers that break the law every day. That way if you find them instead of just a ticket that the unlicensed uninsured electric motorcylists will never pay, you can just confiscate the illegal vehicle and fine the stores that are knowingly promoting criminality. Voila.
@@BoopSnoot president joe loves you!
20 to 25 mph would be better
@@Eric_Tennant Better would be is to realize that ebikes are motorized cycles. We already have good laws for them, so treat a ebike under the same laws as a 50cc scooter, and everyone is happy. That way if you want to go 75mph on the highway, its not a problem, and the vehicles will be DOT legal, have license plates, have to be financially responsible for damages or injuries they cause other people with liability insurance, and will have to have some kind of training so they aren't like every e-biker out there that blows through stop signs and goes through red lights like they aren't a motor vehicle.
I live in Pima country and i ride the loop and will keep riding my ebike The cops in Tucson are responding to only major crimes Dont think they will be stoping people riding ebikes
Benn following your channel for awhile now and really like it.Very informative and helpful in my decision making about buying an e-bike.This episode is by far the best as I retired and plan on moving to Arizona next spring.Everyone that supports this channel and e-biker rights should contact their Representatives and find out if federal funds were used in anyway to build this trail. As a e-bike rider who's been fighting for our rights to ride the trails here in Cincinnati I implore everyone to be very vocal in your community.Here's a copy of the email I sent to Pima County.
I'm a 61 year old retiree planning on moving to Tucson next April and was hoping to ride my Sondors e-bike on The Loop.The decision to make it a misdemeanor crime is pretty despicable of the board.Was any part of this trail funded by the Federal Government? If so the trail is open for "ALL CLASS 2 E-Bikes".I'll be contacting Representative Ann Kirkpatrick of Tucson and my own Rep. Brad Wenstrup from Ohio's 2nd District to find out if any federal funds was used to build this trail.I hope the trail management makes a change to this and allow e-bikers to ride this trail. As a resident of Arizona next year,I'll be very vocal for e-bike rights on "The Loop".
This was my comment to The Loop (I live in Tucson):
I know that my taxes pay for an army of county lawyers. Find the one that has actually opened a law book since 1990 when the ADA was passed and ask them to explain how seriously you are violating federal ADA laws by telling people that they ARE REQUIRED TO CARRY AND PRESENT, ON DEMAND, UNDER PENALTY OF CRIMINAL PROSECUTION, MEDICAL DOCUMENTATION TO SHOW THAT THEY NEED TO USE AN EBIKE on the loop!
Please respond with legal citations proving you have the right to see my medical records or you can make me a convicted criminal (trick question, you CAN'T) or remove the restrictions AND THREATS TO MAKE ME A CONVICTED CRIMINAL from the loop's rules.
"Biking capital of the world" my arse!
Why? My theory, considering the other electric devices listed in the ban, (hoverboards, electric skateboards et al) is that someone assumed that ebikes fall within the same demographic. Perhaps someone (a bicycle purist perhaps) pointed out that the other devices are used mostly by young people who tend to be discourteous and not follow rules? Someone may even have cited some ads showing ebikes being used in "racy" ways by young people, or even youtube vids showing how to mod ebikes to go faster than the law allows.
Like many ebike users, I'm an older person (63) with some physical limitations. My ebike has me out exercising to a degree I haven't done in over 5 years. The most precarious positions I have been in have been when people on conventional bikes have been going too fast for the trail conditions and either passed me without giving the "on your left" cue, or came around a corner toward me and both of us had to swerve to avoid a collision.
BTW, I love your channel. You have some of the most balanced and informative videos on ebikes.
Thanks for highlighting this issue and attaching a link to their feedback page, which I used. E-bikes safely share the roads and paths all across the world. Their adoption in Europe is far ahead of North America. If Amsterdam, Holland, does not have a problem with them, why would the Loop? I asked them to rethink their ban, but before they did so, I suggested they should first take an e-bike for a ride.
E-bikes are highly regulated in Europe and you max power is usually reserved for cheapest of ebikes in the US. 5-750 watts are typical and 1000+ watts are not uncommon.
Well, I'm watching this video a year and a half later and I'm sure everyone got the updates for Pima Trail, but e-bikes are now allowed on the trail, as long as it's pedal assisted.
I was planning a trip to Tucson this winter to ride the loop on my ebike. Guess not! Oh well. Havasu still likes us old guys!!
I have lived in Tucson for 67 years. I ride my ebike on a portion of that trail almost every day. It's the only exercise I can get with my physical condition.
No one has ever said anything to me when I'm riding.
I lived SE Tucson, alongside Benson hwy and rode a 250cc dirt bike a lot. Desert was dangerous but, hey, so is life... There was no bike loop in 1971...
Well, we'll skip Tucson on our next visit to Arizona. Got exited when I heard about the trail but if I cannot ride it on my ebike I wont.. It looks like someone in a position of power determined on his own that e-bikes equated with motorcycles and mopeds and now he is too hard headed to reconsider. I'm not disable and won't claim to be, The only disability I have is my advanced age. I can ride my 12 speed Schwinn much faster than the 15 MPH top speed of the ebike, I just can't no longer ride very far especially in the heat. Taking a long leisure ride at around 8-10 MPH to conserve battery power is what I do. E-bikes are not vehicles for disabled people, they are the fastest growing segment of personal transportation and recreational vehicles. It should not be long before e-biking taxpayers demand changes to those restrictive and perhaps senseless municipal regulations.
Thinking of it I think the law against e-bikes is just a knee jerk NIMBY response of neighborhood associations.
@0 MPH is the top speed of ebikes allowed by law on bike paths. Some non electric bikes have riders who can go well over 20. I fear the child or teenager on an ebike at any speed.
License , insure them , ride within the law, no problem.
Otherwise I should be able to take my Honda 250 on this MUP
Legally no difference.
I can tell you for a fact that E bikes are all over the loop still. I'm sure come winter there will be even more as always.
Your ebike is lame if it can be touched by a regular bike
My next bike may well be a BOLTON..I have watched this channel for a year and SO impressed with your knowledge and sensitivity to using ebikes, informative about batteries etc etc etc... you are a HUGE influence. I SUPPORT YOU and your efforts to make this a viable and sustainable transportation source and greener for the planet. THANK YOU!!!
Any body ask the Loop guys why the No e bike rule is in place? I'm in the UK and we have a Paved trail right at the back of our house called The Trans Pennie trail, which takes in the beautiful country in Yorkshire you can walk on it or cycle or ride your horse and most importantly for me ride your pedal assisted ebike. Motorcycles and throttel controled powered vehicles are not allowed ( so Suron type ebikes not allowed) and that makes sense and works really well.
Thanks Jessica and Kyle. I'm in AZ for a week every year and was excited to hear about the loop but disappointed to hear about the dumb ebike ban. I'll be posting on the link now.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
I can't prove my limited stamina when asked for a disability proof which is against HIPAA laws. This is a violation of freedom and a discrimination for older folks like me who ride ebikes. Frankly, who ever is in charge of the Loop public trail policies should be replaced. They don't own the Loop! It belongs to the public.
So, the solution is to get it on the docket for city council to hear what's going on and get clear ebike regulations for all throughout Pima county that promotes freedom and fair use of the Loop as well as throughout the city of Tucson. E-mail has been sent .
While I agree with the overall sentiments of your message, I want to clarify that there is no violation of HIPAA laws. This term gets misused a lot - especially by folks who are anti-proof of vaccination. HIPAA is to protect your private information within a healthcare setting, insurance records etc:
“An Act To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1996 to improve portability and continuity of health insurance coverage in the group and individual markets, to combat waste, fraud, and abuse in health insurance and health care delivery, to promote the use of medical savings accounts, to improve access to long-term care services and coverage, to simplify the administration of health insurance, and for other purposes.”
You say that you “can’t prove“ your limited stamina; however It should be a fairly easy thing to ask your healthcare provider for a note citing age, exercise limitations, etc. They can just scribble something on a prescription pad for you.
I think this is a case of hot-dogging jerks ruining it for everyone. The authorities probably don’t care of an old person cycles slowly on an Ebike. (At 75 and 80, my husband and I can get away with a lot of things we couldn’t have 50 yrs ago!) So what they should be legislating is for restricted speed and common courtesy.
@@TrishBenedict
Actually, no.
A Dr. cannot just scribble something on a piece of paper, because it's not considered official documentation.
You have to have a form of I.D. or Driver's License stating a health exception, & that is after your, "health exception", has been reviewed & approved by the state, as a justified exception.
Then some states, like California, Washington, Oregon, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, NY, & some others... have laws that if you are granted a health exception... you cannot ride an E-bike without documentation.
If you do, you can be arrested, fined, or both... & numerous violations can result in you loosing your E-bike privileges.
The laws governing E-bikes are plumb retarded... & serve no benefit to society.
They only exist to appease the SJW Snowflake Karens, woke bitch fits.
@@OOTurok I’ll politely disagree. I’ve had my doctor “scribble” things on prescription pads. Not just a piece of paper, but a printed Rx pad. Something to take through TSA, that sort of thing. It may not be “official“, in the sense that it wouldn’t be accepted if I were applying for a handicapped placard or somesuch - that would require an official form. But it generally will smooth the wheels in a case like this. And as I said, at 75, I can get away with a lot of things that I could not have earlier in my life. I look like someone who needs an ADA exemption (like when I’ was gasping for air on our camping trip to the Colorado Rockies two weeks ago). But in a situation like this, I think if you’re riding politely and you’re riding slowly and you have an explanatory note on an Rx pad, you’d probably be good.
@@TrishBenedict
You can politely disagree all you want, & still be politely wrong. Your TSA example does not apply here.
The fact of the matter is, these laws exist, & state politicians are starting to crack down on E-bike riders, posing them as a danger to the public.
I can hit over 40 mph on my mountain bike, on flat level terrain, & a lot faster on a down hill... yet federal & state politicians want to put heavy regulations on E-bikes doing 20 mph.
The states I've mentioned are now pushing legislation to make it law, that people will have to register & insure E-bikes, since they are considered motor vehicles... which will then require a Class M driver's license for you to ride, & a license plate.
@@OOTurok I don’t disagree with any of that, but we’re addressing different things. I’m just answering the guy who says that he doesn’t have any disability proof. And I’m saying that if you’re riding slowly and politely and someone pulls you over, you can show them a doctors note that you have medical conditions. Period. You’re talking about a whole ‘nother thing.
Comment submitted! Thank you for raising awareness!
Seriously, all they need is a speed limit, like the Little Miami Trail (20mph) near me.
Thanks for submitting your thoughts!
Thank you for this--we will cancel the Tucson trip to ride our ebikes for a week..
Hypothetical situation. I come up to the loop. I take out my key and turn the bike off get to the loop and start pedaling. What is going to happen if they stop me for having an E-Bike on the loop? I'm not using the motor and I can prove it by showing that nothing works until I turn the key. Can they assume just because I have a motor, I'm using it? Don't think so.
No they can't proove it, but they don't have to.
The law bans E-bikes on the trails... so just having the E-bike on the trail, is the violation.
Whether or not you use the motor is irrelevant.
@@OOTurok - What if someone on a traditional pedal bike carries a motor in a bag on the rack on the back of their bike? Is that illegal? According to your non-negotiable viewpoint, it is.
@@billybeemus3929
It's not my view point... it's the politician's, police, & prosecutor's view point.
And carrying a motor in a bag won't make a bicycle an E-bike.
Thanks for bring this to our attention! I sent the following: "My wife and I are retired and have a trip scheduled to Tucson. The main reason is because Tucson calls itself the Bike Capital of The World. We were wanting to ride our pedal assist e-bikes on the Loop and we now are hearing that the loop rules differ from the city of tucson rules. That the Loop rules bans pedal assist ebikes. My wife and I are retired and would not be biking if it wasn't for our pedal assist ebikes . Our pedal assist ebikes are how we still can exercise - we still can pedal but we get motorized assistance as needed.
My question is - will this rule be changed for our e-bikes or should we reshedule our trip to a more bike friendly area?"
Thanks again! We're glad Jessica didnt get arrested!
Danny & Lynn
RV America
Hey Danny & Lynn! Thank you for sending that! We appreciate you.
I'm from Tucson and have a e-scooter and I don't know anyone who has ever been given a ticket, there is literally almost no police oversight any where on the trail. You might see some bike cops near or around the downtown area from time to time but there mainly patrolling the city street's in downtown Tucson.
I think it's just one of those rare and unenforced laws that hang out in no where land and I don't know a cop in Tucson that would ever even bother to give a e-bike rider on the trail especially a ticket. So I can tell you, now that I know and many others will probably become aware of it, they'll change it. They won't take the chance of losing that almighty buck in tourism, biking brings in. Thanks for the heads up. Awoke in Tucson
I was saying pretty much the same thing.
Yea, I was wondering if anyone was actually getting ticketed for this? But as long as the policy stays in place, there is always the possibility.. which sucks.
@@sboy1955 That law is probably there to stop some idiot with a peddle equipped Sur-Ron.
Class 2 should be allowed, anyone can cruise at 20 on a regular bike. 20 is very safe.
My thoughts exactly!
Hell I could do 30 mph on a regular bike when I was younger
I can tell you've never seriously rode. 20 mph average is semi pro. No one is "cruising" at 20 mph, if their not a racer.
@@xmateinc I used to be a racer, but not the fastest. How can you tell? Lol. Some people can hold 25 for a couple hours, I never got there, the extra speed creates lots more drag, but lots of people can go 20 for over an hour, it’s about the same as being able to run an 18 minute mile, hard but very attainable.
@@xmateinc I used to be a racer, but not the fastest. How can you tell? Lol. Some people can hold 25 for a couple hours, I never got there, the extra speed creates lots more drag, but lots of people can go 20 for over an hour, it’s about the same as being able to run an 18 minute mile, hard but very attainable.
Thanks for the heads up on this, I added my 2 cents on their feedback form, I tried to keep it as positive sounding as possible:
I just heard about this fantastic place to ride and then I learn that ebikes are restricted, banned, not allowed, I do not understand why. Ebikes are safe, they are quiet, it gives people the ability to ride who might not otherwise not be able to ride, I'm 55 years old and just got an ebike, I used to ride 10-20 miles everyday, I stopped riding when I moved to a community with unpaved mountain roads that made it risky for me to ride, it wasn't a matter of IF I fell, it was a matter of WHEN I fell. It's been nearly 15 years since I've ridden a bike, my new fat tire ebike gives me the ability to ride once again in my neighborhood where I live.
More and more people and families are getting and riding ebikes, for fun (recreation) as well as health reasons. The law considers class 1 and 2 ebikes in the same category as bicycles.
A place like The Loop would be an attractive destination for me as I'm sure it would be for many other people who ride ebikes, please reconsider your rule against ebikes on your beautiful trail. This would bring in revenue and tax dollars to your city, sounds like a win-win situation to me.
Thank you for your consideration on this matter.
Sincerely
My brother bought 3 e-bikes, as a retiree. He was hoping he could get all 3 of us, over 55 unfit brothers and sister, to get outdoors, away from iPads and TVs to get some exercise and spend quality time together. I just sent a TH-cam about this Loop to him because I have not been willing to ride on roads with cars. I don’t want to risk being hit by a car and ruin my retirement. He would qualify to ride his e bike because he has 2 knee replacements, I guess, because the rules appear to specify during rehabilitation only. We have to wait, and keep looking.
I just sent in my response to their ruling on NO E-Bikes. The Loop looks like a dream ride 😁🚴♀️
I lived in AZ for five years (not in Tucson), and I'm leaving. Arizona has gone insane. The roads are awful, cost of living is super high (vehicle registration fees are nuts), smog laws are nuts, snowbirds take over the entire valley during the winter making it impossible to enjoy the best time of the year. I'm done with Arizona.
Thank you for including the link for sending feedback. I have now used it. Democracy is a beautiful thing… if enough of us make our voices heard we can make change happen. I have seen that happen in my own community. I can tell you from first hand experience, change is most DEFINITELY possible.
Let’s send a tsunami of feedback about this issue and start an eBike acceptance movement that spreads across the rest of the USA. 😊👍 🚲
Thank you very much for making this video and publicizing this outrageous law. BTW a Class 2 Misdemeanor is no joke and could be up to 4 months in jail.
Great info I won't be radding on that trail with my rad rover 5 when I visit my grandparents . Hope to one day buy the upgrade kit.it would help me in tahoe. I had a total knee replacement several years ago. But I can now ride up some of the hills and get around on the trails
try riding with two knee reps, two hip reps, back fuzed ,shoulder rep. torn hip flexors, cant drive a car because of pain meds im on, but i can ride my rad, not every day, only got four hundred miles on it, 2019
There should be a Speed Limit of ~15 mph for all bikes on a trail like this, be it analog or electric . This would be fair to all that use it, walkers, runners & bikers.
IT IS 25 MPH !
Yeah, doing 25 on a walkway with baby strollers is insane.
@@sailingaeolus - If someone is that slow and can't stay safely to the right, they shouldn't be reproducing, much less walking a baby on the Loop.
@@TommyJonesProductions You should seek therapy, friend. You suffer from profound narcissism.
15mph when people are walking on path might be a better solution?
Great video, and this is absolutely ridiculous. I ride an escooter and my wife an ebike, and we frequently frequent the bike trails in my area. While my scooter is capable of 30 mph, I never exceed 15 mph on a trail and most typically ride 12 or 13 mph. "normal" bikes ridden by young, athletic riders frequently blow by me at much higher speed than I am riding.
I can think of no valid reasons to ban pevs from trails. Yes some are capable of high speeds, but my car is capable of riding 100+ mph. By this reasoning it should be banned from all our country's roads as I can't think of a single one that allows you to drive over 100 mph. Don't ban the device, post speed limits and enforce them.
Thanks guys for the link to express my disdain over that e-bike ban rule! Already gave them my 2 cents worth hoping it makes a little bit of difference. Keep up the great videos!
Great to hear!
@@Area13ebikes one more thing. When you go to their site and put in your comment you can request a response from them regarding your comment. I did this and guess what, they never responded. Wonder if they have been bombarded with comments that your video inspired and either can’t keep up or simply gave up.
I constantly encounter people of the trails in my town who are startled any time you get near them. They will stand off a trail and look angry as you approach. When you pass them, even if you give a courtesy "ding," they startle and jump. Sounds like one of those easily startled people on a council or committee there got this "law" passed. Any new technology is always licensed and banned at first....
How is it a new technology? It’s an electric motorcycle.
Most likely, one of the decision makers is a spandex-wearing, Lance Armstrong wannabe that wants to keep the trails clear so they can ride unimpeded by slower traffic.
@@Magnabee97 Bingo! We have a winner. I've written that exact line three times this morning. A Tesla is not a new category it's an electric powered automobile.
Class 1 should be allowed....20mph max, pedal assist only
Excellent info, I did not know about the loop and I visit Tucson often as I have a daughter who attends UofA. I would love to ride the trails on an ebike. I do have a disability but would be offended to show a very personal issue such as this. I would think that federal HIPPA laws over right the Loops rules. Keyword hers is FEDERAL HIPPA laws.
Prince George’s County in Maryland is the same way. They prohibit the use of ebikes on virtually every bike trail in the county.
My hometown, go BULLDOGS.
Crazy arrogant goverment officials that like to control how everybody else lives. Probably leftists.
Two years ago I had an accident that pushed my knee backwards tearing a ligament and several areas of the meniscus on both sides of my right knee. I have been mostly bed ridden for the past two years. I had surgery this past January. Rehab did not go well. Walking is excruciating. I recently got a RadRunner and also a Maxfoot Trike. Finally I am able to get out of the house. Without electric assist I would be back to staying mostly in bed. That said - looking at young men riding ebikes - they are totally careless about others on sidewalks and trails. They are the reason such laws are having to be made. I will be asking my Doc for a document to carry.
Think i'm going to ride my 1000w this fall on that path during my Phx to Tucson tour.
Jessica for president! Seriously though, the state of Arizona does everything possible to be not-green.
"The bottom line is Arizona likes green CASH not green vehicles."
Back in 2001 I was told by a cop that "only criminals ride scooters".
In 2002 quit my job and started a company called ScooterFaster that sold chain and sprockets for scooters sold across Arizona at places like Fry's Electronics etc. It became profitable in the second month, and I couldn't keep up with orders from just one (1) customer (a California scooter store).
In 2003 the Phoenix city council banned all "motorized play toys" from anywhere in Phoenix. This meant it was illegal for your child to follow you around the block on the sidewalk in his/her Power Wheels (R) Jeep. Imagine that bust on the evening news with the required pit maneuver to stop a three-year-old!
Eventually, this ban put me and several friends out of business.
So much for thinking it was a good time to start a green business.
Jessica should be able to beat the ticket using the Federal law which classifies bikes with pedals under 750 watts as bicycles and states that local police must comply.
Hmmm ebikes you can pedal without using the motor so technically it’s a bike…I would like to challenge it in court.
Write into that form for The Loop first! Then share that online with all your friends and family.
yea but if there is a throttle you people use it more then not.
This brings up a concern I have had for a long time. - It would be very helpful to publish a guide of bike trails showing which have restrictions and which don't. Since there is a large range of e-bikes now, specific rules regarding exactly what type of e-bikes are allowed? - i.e. Are e-trikes allowed? Can you carry a pet (dog) with you? - Etc.
thank you for this information. I submitted a request to stop the ban on ebikes. I will be visiting my son in this area for the next 4 years while he attends a school there. I have just overcome Sciatica and am back in the biking world and outdoors thanks to ebikes THANK YOU BOLTON!
Wonderful!
They ban Mountain Bikes on the Loop too.
I went to Tucson with a friend to ride the infamous bike path... & 6 miles in, we got stopped by the police, & told that MTBs are not allowed on the path, because they are too reckless.
What was suppose to be a weekend vacation trip, ended real quick, back to Texas.
Darn those MTBs. So reckless. They just ban the bikes teenagers ride
Class action law suite for HIPPA coming to Tucson the first time they try and enforce that one. Letter sent. Thank you for bringing this up.
Edit: Don't be shy everyone. The format for writing the letter is all set up with the link. Took less than a couple of minutes.
thank you for writing a letter!
@@Area13ebikes Don't be shy everyone. The format for writing the letter is all set up with the link. Took less than a couple of minutes.
The Loop Guy must be one of those salty roadies that scowls at every ebike he sees
Was thinking the same thing.
Yes. I am sure that it is a bitter road bike guy or guys that are behind this. They really don't want to expand biking. They want to feel like there are special elite athletes. The truth of the matter is that if they were really fast road bikers, they would be on the open road and not on bike paths. I always chuckle when I see Road bikers dressed like they are in the tour de France on bike trails instead of the road.
Lol.I’d be a roady if I didn’t have to wear the required uniform.It’s against my religion to wear something like that out in public or even in my own house, and I’m not religious.
I'm a roadie.
I welcome ebikes. To see people out in nature, fresh air in their face, 20 years off their expression, using one less car, is all that matters.
I just want to see people riding bikes, however that looks for each person.
One thing I enjoy seeing about ebikes is that the people riding them are in pure joy. They have found their freedom again. Priceless.
Btw roadies use Lycra for comfort; or at least I do. Just like you ride an ebike for comfort. It's great for riding in, awful for sitting around in.
It's like Porsche drivers trying to ban Prius' from the road.
Pretty sure it was some power-tripping city Bureaucrat who came up with that policy. Someone needs to ask the Mayors office about this and let them know whats going on. Finding our who came up with this crazy rule and asking them some direct questions on camera would be hilarious. Oh and anyone who thinks Tuscon is the biking capitol of the world has never been to the Netherlands, just saying.
I was almost killed by a kid going 50mph on a bike path. It was inevitable with how few were obeying the law.
@@BoopSnoot Mmkay ... sorry to hear that. Was he riding a class 1 or 2 Ebike? We all know he was not, so whats your point exactly?
Class 1 & 2 Ebikes have a max speed of half that. This limitation is by design to conform to US law. Mine for instance has a max cruise speed of 20mph on battery alone. It is a class 2 bike with a 750w motor. It could never go 50mph and is no threat to you or anyone else. That is true for all legal class 1 & 2 ebikes.
No legal ebike can go 50mph, hell we can barely go half that. We are not the problem, and are not the rider who almost struck you. Point your outrage somewhere else please, it does not apply to us.
@@BoopSnoot they will do it again cuz guess what that bike was always illegal
I actually was able to pull up the minutes from the meeting in which the loop advisory committee decided to ban E bikes on the loop. It was actually the county attorney advising the board that recommended it, NOT due to any safety issues, but for the loop committee’s own convenience. The attorney explained that if they allowed e bikes then they would have to consider, individually, EVERY electric motorized device such as Segways, electric scooters, electric skateboards etc and that would be too much work.
So they decided to ban EVERYTHING that has any kind of motor with the exception of ADA devices.
Jokes on them, I don't use Facebook! Used to ride to work on the loop with my class 2.
People that take cycling seriously with the full gear and bikes worth more than a used car go faster than a typical ebike would. If they think only ebikes are going 20+mph, they truly got some people in charge who are clueless.
edit: Know what is actually a hazard on that trail? Spoiler, it's not the ebikes. It's people who wear headphones not paying attention. Road bikers that travel in a pack like it's the Tour De France. People walking their pets with way too much slack on the leash. Never got into an accident on the trail because of my ebike, but those factors all nearly caused one.
You just nailed some of my biggest pet peeves I see on the loop.
As a new Ebike owner I am looking forward to riding the Loop. I am 84 years old, retired military and former avid bike rider. I can not ride my regular bikes but have started riding my new Ebike. This allows me to get exercise and enjoy the wonderful Tucson and other areas while riding my Ebike. Having a restriction on me riding my Ebike on the Tucson Loop is a slap on the face of any senior citizen that would enjoy what the Loop offers. Safe riding of Ebikes. The Tucson Loop powers to be really need to reconsider their heavy handed policy regarding lawful use of a Tucson resource. I am sure more Tucson and visiting Ebike riders are not going to be happy with this restriction. Do the right thing and open up the Tucson Loop for all riders of bikes.
We have quite a few trails here in Ohio, the Ohio-to- Erie trial is 320 miles which I would love to ride one day. Here in Greenville Ohio, we have a short trial that leads to a few others that are longer, there is a “ no motor vehicle “ sign and I think to my self if that also means ebikes when I ride by it.
I ride my e-bike on the bike trail from Clyde to Norwalk and talk to the county and park guys all the time and they know what I ride and a couple of them ride their e-bikes on the weekends. If you don't have pedals or gas/diesel engines then you can't ride on the paved trails in Ohio
Nope, not over 750w or class 1 & 2 only. I ride 40 miles and with no assistance I wouldn't make it 12 miles because of the hills but for the past few months I have been riding a lot.
Greenville, holy cow! I used to pick up auto parts (seat foam) from a factory down there.
I pick up the trail in cbus and go to London. Nice camping area there
@@johnverdico1633 I pretty much do the same thing. I ride from Columbus to London or Battelle Darby Park at least three times a week. Would love to take a long trip maybe to Cleveland to the Rock and roll Hall of Fame on the bike trail.
As I understand it, the rules on the Chuck Huckleberry Loop are a little more nuanced. Different parts are run by different authorities. In the city itself, Tucson allows pedal assist, but not if it has a throttle. So a class 1 would be acceptable, but not a class 2.
The county bans all e-bikes of all kinds.
The other problem is that it's a recreational facility. It closes at night, like any other park. But they don't close the roads at night.
It's well situated for use as a commuting and transportation asset, and neither the city nor county are thinking in terms of moving people quickly and efficiently on the Loop. They should be thinking in terms of how to connect it seamlessly into the full bicycle system rather than as a playground destination.
I think we all know government never stops taking away freedom. There are people in place that are doing this everyday both parties. When will Americans say they have had enough. Ebikes will be licensed and regulated. Keep an eye on Cali and New York. Thats where it will begin. In the meantime, enjoy every moment you can with this amazing device we call EBike.
Yeah, mostly Democrats...by a wide margin. They love to tax you to death too.
I don't know about other national forests but here in the Willamette National forest Oregon says.. "Electric bikes (E-bikes) are NOT ALLOWED on trails designated for non-motorized use such as mountain bike or hiking trails. E-bikes are classified as self-propelled motor vehicles and are only allowed on roads or trails open to motorized vehicles. Maps for those motorized roads and trails can be found here."
Great work thanks from Australia .that Banning of E-Bike on that the Loop track is totally ridiculous.some one in the regulators who put that law needs to get fired and quick
Yes, Tucson is foolish for choosing e-bikes as their hill to die on. I live in Phoenix, we have great bike paths and e-bikes are allowed on almost all of them. They are also allowed at South Mountain and other regional mountain biking areas (easy to check) Tucson has a ton of senior citizens that would get on their cute little e-bikes and putt around if they'd let them. So yes, I'm 100% with you here!
Jessica is such a sweetheart. It’s always a pleasure when she answers my inquiries!
Jerry, Jessica says Thank you! We appreciate you watching and commenting.
This E-Bike ban is ridiculous. If they are worried about reckless driving they should just put a speed limit on the path. E-Bikes help people especially elderly people get out and get exercise that normally could not complete the 130 mile loop. Banning E-Bikes is discrimination and depriving people of their needed health and wellness.
When my parents got Ebikes this year they went from biking once a year to 4x a week. When I got my first Ebike this year I went from biking twice a month to 5x a week. It drastically improves peoples health and motivation to get out the door.
This just furthers my theory that the more local the government, the more ridiculous the laws.
The people making these restrictions are busybodies who are only in power because they got the support of the 12 other busybodies that have the time to get invested in local politics.
This is an Ebike channel. That's the reason for the majority positive responses to Ebike use. I live in Tucson and use the loop for standard boring biking. I don't see a problem with Ebikes. You should probably be a fairly competent rider though as many people use it for walking and running. It gets busy in some parts. I've heard some say they didn't plan it for Ebikes and that it would essentially turn it into a beltway rather than a loop given the speeds you're able to attain on modern Ebikes. In other words they don't want it becoming a commuter road. I'm one of those that can see both sides of the controversy.
The loop really only gets busy in the winter since most people are afraid of the heat. I'll blast the loop and the trails durning the summer since it's always dead. E bikes aren't my thing but I say if it gets more people out riding I'm all for it.
She has an amazing radio voice.
If you could hear it!
Her voice is an exact copy of the Saturday night skit with the two women commenting on completely mundane things
Radio face?
This aint radio.
@@forgetyourlife Really?
Some council person said," Hey! look at all those e bike riders. They look like they are enjoying themselves. We gotta do something about that!".
Perhaps the nut jobs with their 3000 W ebikes doing 40 mph is one of the reason why some places are banning ebikes.
You are probably right here in the UK we are only allowed 250w motors and 15 mph to be honest I have no problem with that I am quite happy riding at that speed and that's after 51years on motorcycles.
I'm 54. I live 1 mile from Lake Erie in Northwest Pennsylvania and commute to and from work on a 26" folding E Bike. I also use it for short trips to the store. So far, I haven't been bothered by the local police. It probably helps that our Mayor also owns an E Bike. I have equipped my bike with a brake light and turn signals for better visibility.
Thank you for this video. I have been looking at moving to the Tucson area and now thinking twice about Tucson. I sent the Pima County an email with my thought!! Doubt their pea brained staff will have a common sense answer!
Good for you!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
We have been snowbirding to Tucson for three years now. The last two years at a RV park with direct access to the loop! During our 2022/23 trip we had new ebikes and were told at that time pedal assist ebikes were OK, and I see that verified just now on the Tucson Loop website. eBikes were very popular on the loop - but even if they were still outlawed I would not worry too much about it due to complete lack of enforcement. During the two months we were there this year, riding on average 5 days a week, we saw Gas Powered cycles from small to medium sized, and some in groups, at least a dozen times. We could see where they had done considerable damage to the sometimes beautifully landscaped areas along the trail, like huge donuts in the sand that do not go away. The loop is wide and very well done, too bad they are not enforcing something as obvious, noisy, and damaging as these gas powered cycles.
I'm glad you made this video. I love riding bikes. I guess I won't go there ever. Sounds like a one sided decision. What a shame.
Tucson has NOTHING on Copenhagen in Denmark where at last count that I saw there were approximately 2.3 bikes to every resident of the city. People there ride bikes year round for going to work, to school, and making deliveries; there are also multistory parking garages and just for bicycles, Copenhagen officials say that there are not enough parking spaces for bicycles within the city. So the "Biking Capital of the World" in my opinion is COPENHAGEN with Amsterdam a close second.
It’s 100% illegal to have to disclose your disability as well as if your vaccinated, unless you purchase a reduced priced ticket for a ride on local transportation.
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Lawmakers: Just put a speed limit on the areas that you feel sensitive towards as long as everyone is on board with it voting wise. 15 to 20 mph doesn’t seem too harsh and doable for the e-bikers on dirt paths.